[SPOILERS]Ben's character and deeds

[SouthWardRB]

Either you saved Carley or Doug. These great characters shall be avenged. Yeah, Lilly killed them, BUT Ben was giving the extra stuff to the bandits, wich caused the whole thing.

These were great characters, ones who shouldn't be forgotten. Ben, a stupid little teenager who is more scared of everything then a 12 year old.

Please, by joining this thread, you 100% guarantee that you WILL kill Ben, at the first time you get.

[j.em26]

..save carley.

[ruairi46]

I was nice to him, but really don't give a shit if he dies?

[FoxxyFox]

He will die anyways next episode.

[NeonBlade]

He will die anyways next episode.

For some reason. Cretins like Ben always seem to survive.

[FoxxyFox]

Well perhaps a damn hot blonde zombie or "Jenny Pitcher" will seduce him and then... bite ;) He is a student and I don't know... in the typical american horror movies they die in a kinda odd situation ;)

Anyways Ben did bring absolutley nothing to the table so if he goes away I wouldn't care. lol :D

[Jessabeth]

You know, every time I feel like I want to kill a character off, by the time their tickets do come up, I feel really bad for them. xD

Larry- Hated the guy throughout episode one. Still didn't care too much for him by episode two, but when it came to an attempt in saving his life or simply killing him, I can't help but try to save him. And when his mouth began to move, and suddenly a salt lick drops down, I was surprised at how much I didn't want him to die.

Duck- Annoying as hell through the first two episodes, but this episode they made him kind of cute. His whole Dick Grayson/ Robin spiel was adorable, not to mention that if you high five him, Duck totally thinks you are awesome. xD

Now I really don't like Ben since he caused Carley or Doug's death depending on who was alive, but I can understand why he did what he did. He thought the bandits had his friend (never said the kid was smart), and he just wanted to help. He got in over his head and now it has caught up with him.

I get the feeling that Telltale likes to make us hate people and then feel incredibly bad for doing so. xD
Like Kenny. Guy, I really started to dislike him. xD And by the end of this episode, I felt really bad for him.

[GreenBoy]

Save Carley/Doug.....KILL BEN!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[donmike84]

100 percent in favor off killing ben for stealing the group suppliys

[j.em26]

So it's been confirmed that Ben did betray the group ?

[TrickyD]

So it's been confirmed that Ben did betray the group ?

Yes, he was the one who was leaving supplies for the bandits.

He thought they were holding one of his friends captive.

[Limes]

Carley... Q_Q *sob*

Ben is dead as soon as possible.

[CapnJay]

Ben you cost me Carley and Lily. If you die or not is solely up to how you act around Clem and how she approves of you.

[adam5555]

he his dead the first chance i get. Carley and Clem were the only people i liked in the group. i wanted to push him off the train so bad.

[CapnJay]

Ben and Lily actually did some of us a favor. Those who were thinking with the other big head might think they could get some action with Lily or Carley while still protecting Clementine were dividing their efforts. Now we can focus one hundred percent on Clem. Also if Ben had let us in on the plan we could have laid a trap for the bandits.

[kirby18]

I disagree with a lot of you, obviously there is no denying Ben did wrong HOWEVER he did it for the group and he clearly was sincere in helping the group. I dont see how you guys dont see this.

One, he was stealing in hopes to keep the bandits happy and thus ensure the safety and well-being of the group.

Two, besides that he was grateful for the group for letting them in, I mean what was he supposed to do to show his loyalty.

Three, he told Lee it was him! Now this matters especially more if you told him that you were going to jail before... which I did. Point is, he trusts you and that is invaluable apparently in this game.

All in all, I loved Carly (she was my favorite character) and obviously Ben should be held accountable for his actions but hes not a bad kid and he still can be an asset to the group.

[Master of Aeons]

Ben's really weak. We've seen that throughout.

I don't want to get into justifying or condemning his actions, but his weakness is a common denominator in a lot of problems. He's going to cause something else eventually. Maybe it'll be soon, maybe it'll kill him.

[WowMutt]

Ben can die.. he'll be useful to have around as a shield or as walkerbait so we can get away!

[CinnamonToast]

lol at title...


yeah, ben is walker bait. i dont see how he can redeem himself. and after all of that, he don't even have any fight in him, "i'm going to punch my own card out if a walker gets me"... no you wont ben... no YOU wont...

[Milosuperspesh]

i question protecting clem in ep4 is she has another 'protector' is lee really going to have much luck ?

i do hope clem isn't doing an anakin skywalker...

[mkane24]

If the game gives me the chance to kill ben, I will make the incident on the st john's farm look like Disney land

[Greenpaw]

i question protecting clem in ep4 is she has another 'protector' is lee really going to have much luck ?

I do hope clem isn't doing an anakin skywalker...

you were the chosen one clementine you were suppose to rely on lee to get to savannah not some creepy radio guy!

Clem: I hate you!!!

[The_Ripper]

Remorse it's enough punishment for the kid. We don't need more deaths. Killing Ben won't give me Carley back.

However I don't trust on him anymore.

[ozzmann]

I NEVER liked Ben, from the git-go he seemed like a chump, Lee should have thrown the little traitorous bitch off the train!:mad:

[StrawberryRainPop]

Either you saved Carley or Doug. These great characters shall be avenged. Yeah, Lilly killed them, BUT Ben was giving the extra stuff to the bandits, wich caused the whole thing.

These were great characters, ones who shouldn't be forgotten. Ben, a stupid little teenager who is more scared of everything then a 12 year old.

Please, by joining this thread, you 100% guarantee that you WILL kill Ben, at the first time you get.

Yes i WILL kill him. When the chance comes out, i will even post a screenshot of it.

SAVE CARLEY PROJECT PLEASE :(

[ZombieGoBoom]

I don't think all the clever writing in the world will make me forgive Ben for getting Carley killed. I never hesitated in leaving Lilly behind and I would have thrown Ben from the train if given the chance.

[Peace&Love]

Damn, are you the guys that lynch people because you're angry? Ben simply tried to help the group. An eye for an eye...

[Strayth]

Lilly was immortal due to her comics appearance.

I want THE OPTIONS to make Ben suffer.

And then I want to kill him myself.

[HeyMyNameIsRyan]

I wanted to kick him off the train King Leonidas style. Telltale, why was this not an option?

[Master of Aeons]

THIS - IS - HACKNEYED!!!i!!!

[HeyMyNameIsRyan]

Damn, are you the guys that lynch people because you're angry? Ben simply tried to help the group. An eye for an eye...

No, Ben was being a selfish fuck. The bandits said they had his friend so he stole from the group in stead of letting the group know and handling it. His idiocy got 3 people killed indirectly and led to Lily leaving/being left behind. There is a target on his back in my eyes.

[mkane24]

I will be really disappointed if TT doesn't include a point to which i can decide ben's fate. Personally, when I found out it was really Ben stashing the supplies I wanted him out right then and there. Lilly's point of stealing supplies is like sneaking into your room and slitting your throat is dead on. Because Ben didn't man up, Carley lost her life.

[Luckycharm]

I think he'll probably die while saving someone else's life. That would be "about square" to quote the Bride from Kill Bill.

[HeyMyNameIsRyan]

I think he'll probably die while saving someone else's life. That would be "about square" to quote the Bride from Kill Bill.

This would be the only way I would regain any respect for Ben.

[darham175]

I want Ben to die and I would do it myself but that goes against everything I've been teaching Clem. I will NOT hestitate to murder the person on the walkie if they harm her in ANY though.

[magodesky]

I honestly can't understand why so many people are mad at Ben for Carley/Doug's death. IMO, the fault for that is 100% on Lilly. Okay, it was Ben's deal with the bandits that set things in motion leading to that point. But there's no way he could have predicted Lilly becoming so completely unhinged and murdering someone in the group for absolutely no good reason. He didn't force that psycho to pull the trigger. In fact, he was trying to talk her down.

And really, Ben's deal with the bandits was probably the only thing that kept them from attacking the motel sooner than they did. The only thing I can really fault him for is not coming to the group and telling them about it when he first made the deal. But even that's pretty understandable if you think about it from his perspective. Lilly wanted to toss him back out to the walkers from the start. Kenny was against bringing him back to the motel, and he openly insults Ben's ability to contribute. We'd already seen that Kenny's willing to kill people in the group if there's even a slight possibility that they pose a threat. Even when Lee and Carley talk about him, you can tell from the way they talk that they don't think much of him. With folks as welcoming as them, why would Ben trust them? Treat a guy like an outsider long enough, and eventually, that's how he's going to start seeing himself.

Personally, I still trust Ben more than I trust Kenny. Especially after the way that Kenny didn't even lift a finger to help Lee while he was being attacked by a pile of walkers at the beginning of Episode 3. At least with Ben, even when he screwed up, he was still genuinely trying to help.

[The13thRonin]

I think Ben is stupid and made a mistake but does he really deserve death for one MISTAKE? He didn't knowingly cause someones death. I mean pretty much every person in the group has done something just as bad if not worse by this stage.

I would feel less sorry for him if Lily had of shot him instead of Carley/Doug but after that incident there's been enough death and we're running out of people from the original group.

[darham175]

we're running out of people from the original group.

Exactly all the more reason Ben should have died instead of Carley.

[StreetsAhead24]

I don't know when I look at Ben I'm just reminded of what happened to Carley, Katjaa and Duck. Though he didn't pull the trigger he was indirectly responsible for what happened.

Because of this I just can't grow to like him but i don't think he deserves to die. He's just a naive and scared kid who still has not adjusted to his circumstances. Also you'd be doing Carley and Doug a huge disservice by murdering him, since they both stood up for him.

If Lee has the option to save him from something i'll take it, but after that he's on his own. If i have the option I'm just going to just let Lee travel with Clem.

[The13thRonin]

Exactly all the more reason Ben should have died instead of Carley.

I consider Ben as being from the original group now. Once you've been with the group for almost 2 whole episodes you're pretty much family.

[darham175]

Family doesn't sell out family. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the guy who thinks bandits are honest and trustworthy people who arent lying about his friend. Ben vs. Duck "my dad said I'm dumber than a bag of hammers" whatever his last name is, I say Duck is smarter.

[SonnyN18]

I consider Ben as being from the original group now. Once you've been with the group for almost 2 whole episodes you're pretty much family.

Well like family I'll teach his ass a lesson. We've got to stick together Ben, but if you fuck up like you did with the bandits, I will not hesitate the things I will do with you.

[Cyreen]

Don't you think this thread is a bit Duck/Shaun all over again?

[Xarne]

Oh I see, Ben is the new Kenny? Hold on let me grab my pitchfork and join the mob. :)

[Xarne]

I consider Ben as being from the original group now. Once you've been with the group for almost 2 whole episodes you're pretty much family.

really? I consider him the dead-weight guy. Not a kid that needs protecting but not an adult that can hold his own, and after ep 3 being alive is his last remaining good quality

[Shane.Granger]

I'll let of him live, I treated him pretty well off the start, even gave him some food. Hes stupid and a coward, but I don't think hes a risk. If he didn't make a deal they probably would have attacked a lot sooner really. Lying was the thing that bugged me, but like I said, coward.

[SaveCarley]

..save carley.

Yea?

[Eric Northman]

Either you saved Carley or Doug. These great characters shall be avenged. Yeah, Lilly killed them, BUT Ben was giving the extra stuff to the bandits, wich caused the whole thing.

These were great characters, ones who shouldn't be forgotten. Ben, a stupid little teenager who is more scared of everything then a 12 year old.

Please, by joining this thread, you 100% guarantee that you WILL kill Ben, at the first time you get.

Yeah, I'd like to shove Ben off of the train and into a crowd of walkers.

[EduardoSC]

Ben's is not family he is a two timing backstabbing pussy, I wish he dies a realy slow and painfull death being eaten by walkers, while he streams at the top of his lungs with his godnam anowing Squeaky Voice begging for Lee's help, and I also hope he burns slowly in hell. Carley was as important to me as it was clementine. And I allways thought like Lily (Because of her character in the comic book and possibly in the TV Series) she was sort off imortalized, bescause when you have to choose to save Carley or Doug, you're killing a character so that the other one can die 2 episodes later? Nice work Bob Kirkman and his acomplices, I mean I love your work and drama is always a wealcome factor, but drama is killing Katjia and Duck, stupidity is killing to much people I mean the whole group died in episode 3, and thats not the Drama that puts like "Realy good, exelent if this was a movie it deserved an Oscar, exelent 10/10", this is simply S-T-U-P-I-D-I-T-Y, pure and serene stupidity, I'm not just upset it's just that Carley/Doug's death makes no sense at all, like I said why create part in a video game where you "kill" a character to save another one and then that character you saved dies, NO F***ING SENSE, I love this video game but I don't know this was just disapointing I mean the episode could have been like Lilly points the gun at Carley, Lee sees it and pushes her arm shooting Carley/Doug, but not fatal but still like in the Braqueal artery or something then you choose if you want to leave her behind or not, Katjia treats her/him while ducks seats in the front seat while Lee looks out for him, then the Drama that acctualy fit in the episode Kenny's family death, and then while in the train Carley/Doug Starts to recover but out of guilt Ben tells Lee the truth anyway. I mean if this was what happened would have been a much better episode!

[Benasaz]

My name is Ben, but fuck that Ben! I want him dead and Carley back...!

[darham175]

Thing is though. As much as we ALL want Carley back and as much as she didn't deserve to be murdered bringing her back would dilute the emotional impact that this game (and the comic as well) are known for.

[HelloCthulhu]

Ben's is not family he is a two timing backstabbing pussy, I wish he dies a realy slow and painfull death being eaten by walkers, while he streams at the top of his lungs with his godnam anowing Squeaky Voice begging for Lee's help, and I also hope he burns slowly in hell. Carley was as important to me as it was clementine. And I allways thought like Lily (Because of her character in the comic book and possibly in the TV Series) she was sort off imortalized, bescause when you have to choose to save Carley or Doug, you're killing a character so that the other one can die 2 episodes later? Nice work Bob Kirkman and his acomplices, I mean I love your work and drama is always a wealcome factor, but drama is killing Katjia and Duck, stupidity is killing to much people I mean the whole group died in episode 3, and thats not the Drama that puts like "Realy good, exelent if this was a movie it deserved an Oscar, exelent 10/10", this is simply S-T-U-P-I-D-I-T-Y, pure and serene stupidity, I'm not just upset it's just that Carley/Doug's death makes no sense at all, like I said why create part in a video game where you "kill" a character to save another one and then that character you saved dies, NO F***ING SENSE, I love this video game but I don't know this was just disapointing I mean the episode could have been like Lilly points the gun at Carley, Lee sees it and pushes her arm shooting Carley/Doug, but not fatal but still like in the Braqueal artery or something then you choose if you want to leave her behind or not, Katjia treats her/him while ducks seats in the front seat while Lee looks out for him, then the Drama that acctualy fit in the episode Kenny's family death, and then while in the train Carley/Doug Starts to recover but out of guilt Ben tells Lee the truth anyway. I mean if this was what happened would have been a much better episode!
Because it's The Walking Dead. Enough said.

[Galdis]

If Ben hadn't given the bandits supplies they would have attacked and/or demanded tribute anyway.

You can actually talk down the bandits but Lilly shoots the leader, starting the attack.

It's Lilly's fault, not Ben's.

[EduardoSC]

They can still have that, the Part where Duck and Katjiia die is The Walking Dead material but why kill a character that you saved by "killing" other character two episodes before. It's sad but doesn't make any sense why not kill Glenn in the TV Show just like that, hmm Season 3 primeire Glenn gets shot in the mouth for no reason... sad, but why, now that Glenn is becoming such a distinct character the writers can't kill him unless they go through a few processes, that is not he walking dead matirial

[helno]

But he lied to all group, and because of him Lilly killed Carley.So if I have chance I WILL kill that bastard

[Galdis]

But he lied to all group, and because of him Lilly killed Carley.So if I have chance I WILL kill that bastard

That's ridiculous. Lilly was absolutely paranoid. When the supplies started going missing it was so insignificant that Lilly was the only one who noticed. When you bring up the missing supplies to everyone, they are far more concerned with Lilly's growing mental instability than they are about missing supplies.

Nothing excuses killing someone with absolutely no evidence like Lilly did.

Furthermore, person A is not responsible for person B's actions. Person A and person B both have free will to act rationally on their own volition.

[EduardoSC]

Look, I know it is the walking dead, the walking dead is supposed to be sad but it also makes sense, all pieces fit, Mark died because he was injured and the St. Johns were canibals, its said and makes sense, Larry died in a meat locker with a heart attackand salt lick in his head, because kenny thought he was a threat, he was an asshole, but its still sad and makes sense, Duck died because he was bitten out of nowhere it was acctualy a pretty good idea, dramatic, Treu The Walking Dead Drama, 100% good material, and it was a zombie that did it soit even backs it up even more, Katjiia killed her self out of the blue it was a surprise and it was also moving and a strong moment, it was piece of drama worthy of an award nobody was expencting to things to happen so fast, she couldn't take it anymore so she did it. now like I said a character like Carley/Doug being executed just because bitch Lily couldn't stay calm, that was stupid, believe it or not I think my idea is better, I didn't think almost any death in the walking dead series and show was fair, but they said off course but they were also in the right place. Carley's death was devastating she and Lee were starting to have feeling for each other, and then somebody just ends it with a bullet to the face,WTF is that you don't kill something so beautifull like that, maybe if it wwas a zombie, but Lily, it's frustrating and nobody was happy with it how are people going to buy something if they're mad with it, its not just a matter of being sad or unfair but if people are mad at this because its tottaly unfair manny of them, well not me because I'm a huge fan of The Walking Dead, are gonna stop playing the game, they just didn't had to kill Doug/Carley and it would have been a perfect episode, that was not a The Walking Dead thing

[EduardoSC]

Because it's The Walking Dead. Enough said.

Look, I know it is the walking dead, the walking dead is supposed to be sad but it also makes sense, all pieces fit, Mark died because he was injured and the St. Johns were canibals, its said and makes sense, Larry died in a meat locker with a heart attackand salt lick in his head, because kenny thought he was a threat, he was an asshole, but its still sad and makes sense, Duck died because he was bitten out of nowhere it was acctualy a pretty good idea, dramatic, Treu The Walking Dead Drama, 100% good material, and it was a zombie that did it soit even backs it up even more, Katjiia killed her self out of the blue it was a surprise and it was also moving and a strong moment, it was piece of drama worthy of an award nobody was expencting to things to happen so fast, she couldn't take it anymore so she did it. now like I said a character like Carley/Doug being executed just because bitch Lily couldn't stay calm, that was stupid, believe it or not I think my idea is better, I didn't think almost any death in the walking dead series and show was fair, but they said off course but they were also in the right place. Carley's death was devastating she and Lee were starting to have feeling for each other, and then somebody just ends it with a bullet to the face,WTF is that you don't kill something so beautifull like that, maybe if it wwas a zombie, but Lily, it's frustrating and nobody was happy with it how are people going to buy something if they're mad with it, its not just a matter of being sad or unfair but if people are mad at this because its tottaly unfair manny of them, well not me because I'm a huge fan of The Walking Dead, are gonna stop playing the game, they just didn't had to kill Doug/Carley and it would have been a perfect episode, that was not a The Walking Dead thing

[Galdis]

Eduard... paranoia leads to deaths. It's part of the world they are now living in. I was very upset when Carley died but I don't think it was out of character or out of the blue. The entire point of writing her death in such a way was to deliver a desired effect and the explosion of the forums about the subject proves that Vanaman and Rodkin succeeded.

[Death689God]

You know, every time I feel like I want to kill a character off, by the time their tickets do come up, I feel really bad for them. xD

Larry- Hated the guy throughout episode one. Still didn't care too much for him by episode two, but when it came to an attempt in saving his life or simply killing him, I can't help but try to save him. And when his mouth began to move, and suddenly a salt lick drops down, I was surprised at how much I didn't want him to die.

Duck- Annoying as hell through the first two episodes, but this episode they made him kind of cute. His whole Dick Grayson/ Robin spiel was adorable, not to mention that if you high five him, Duck totally thinks you are awesome. xD


I felt the same for Larry, but I still smiled when Duck got the Chomp. One thing in ep 3 that made it worth it.

[Peace&Love]

You are the biggest bunch of whiners I have ever seen O.O
And I've been on many forums.

[magodesky]

Carley's death was devastating she and Lee were starting to have feeling for each other, and then somebody just ends it with a bullet to the face,WTF is that you don't kill something so beautifull like that

Exactly. Carley's death makes you actually feel something. That's what great storytelling is all about. Seeing her die now is made all the more painful by the fact that Carley and Lee were starting to become so close. So you have this little glimmer of hope in the midst of the zombie apocalypse and then BAM! It's gone because of people resorting to their darker instincts. The timing here was really perfect, I think. I doubt Carley's death would have had quite as much emotional weight had it happened at any other time.

Also, punctuation is your friend.

[Cyreen]

Don't you think this thread is a bit Duck/Shaun all over again?

Oh I see, Ben is the new Kenny? Hold on let me grab my pitchfork and join the mob. :)

Uh, no... Ben would be the equivalent of Duck in this scenario.

[EduardoSC]

Exactly. Carley's death makes you actually feel something. That's what great storytelling is all about. Seeing her die now is made all the more painful by the fact that Carley and Lee were starting to become so close. So you have this little glimmer of hope in the midst of the zombie apocalypse and then BAM! It's gone because of people resorting to their darker instincts. The timing here was really perfect, I think. I doubt Carley's death would have had quite as much emotional weight had it happened at any other time.

Also, punctuation is your friend.

well at least I hope they don't take Clem away from Lee, and I'm also curious about whoose this shady character at the walkie, he sounds like some sort of sick pedophile to me, his voice, he has a creepy pedophile voice, bloody hope he isn't. But from now on whatevers happens to the other characters but clemdoesn't surprise me, after what Carley, I don't think anyone's safe. And I guess I'm just sad that she died, I had this crazy thought that she and Lee could realy have something and then clem maybe would look up to carley as a mother just like she looks at Lee like a father. May Carley's soul rest peace, and I just hope that at leat Lee, Clem and perhaps Kenny get through the 1st season fine. And when they launch the second season I hope I "find another carley".

[Rasher]

Ben should have trusted the group and had no right to make a deal with the bandits on the group's behalf on his own. On the other hand, he was the new guy and all the infighting did nothing to help build trust. I really can't hate him.

Ben did confess and I don't think he ever meant to hurt anybody. The only thing that irkes me is that Ben did not confess when he saw how much stress this was causing. He could have said it was him when poor Carley was being accused, but no.

[Galdis]

Ben didn't tell anyone because everyone in the group, save Carley (and Lee, depending on how you play) treats him like crap or ignores him altogether.

[bazenji]

Ben's a 16, maybe 17 year old high school kid and an army of bandits who had been attacking our hotel stopped and decided to trade for an amount of supplies that none of us had even noticed were missing except Lilly. No one in their right mind wanted to fight the bandits except Lilly, by the way. The rest of us all wanted to leave.

And the bandits didn't say they only had one friend. Ben said they were holding his "friends" captive. All of them.

So, no, I don't blame Ben much.

In fact I was desperately hoping I wouldn't be forced to kick him off the train. I also kept starting new dialogue to tell him to shut up about it. And, nice touch TTG, each of the four following times I talked to him we had a different variation on the "Shut the hell up, Ben" exchange until he stopped talking to me.

Lilly, on the other hand, was a loose cannon. I actually managed to renegotiate with the bandits, which was hilarious, up until the guy I was talking to took a bullet in the head. At that point I realized Lilly was gun crazy.

[Masta23]

I want Ben to die and I would do it myself but that goes against everything I've been teaching Clem. I will NOT hestitate to murder the person on the walkie if they harm her in ANY though.
I agree with this. My Lee would see it as morally wrong, even though I can't forgive him for getting Carly killed.
If he had confessed earlier, it could have been avoided.

[Ninja Gaijin]

The fact you couldn't choose between Ben + Carly/Doug was pissweak as.

I was trying to find a way to get Ben to die or to beat up Lilly before she could do any harm.

Getting more annoyed now as the episodes progress and the obvious lack of repercussions for your choices becomes more apparent. Knew it was a gimmick from the start but I really hoped that by episode 4 or 5, you would see places/stories/characters specific for each plot path/line. So that you had to go back to episode 2 or 3 to see what episode 4 & 5 could become in different paths. At the moment, each episode is just a choice a) // choice b) affair. Which in the end makes little to no difference apart from a stat sheet of how many other idiots chose the same paths as you.

[United 23]

I can see Ben doing what the inexperienced scared character does in most zombie/horror films. A bunch of zombies are chasing him and he trips on something and they all pile on top of him. I would so love that to happen.

[MisterMisfit]

I was always very nice to him and am so disappointed to see him not admit the truth when Lily was blaming Carley for everything. Now I want to see him die.

[HanoverFist]

Ben cost the group four members, 3 deaths, our current home and remaining supplies. All while putting every single members life in immediate danger. Everything bad that happened in this episode is a consequence of Bens actions.

Mad at him? Yeah I'm mad alright. Lily was right, she didn't go about it the right way or the right time, but a traitor to the group is the same as outright murderer and needed to be addressed asap.

Unfortunately when he admits to it later , there was not a "Kick this POS off the train " selection. Countries execute traitors for a reason. Ben may as well had slit their throats himself and set fire to the hotel. He is worm food the first chance that arises.

[Sergiy]

I have a feeling he will "Redeem" himself in EP4 and people will claim he's the best pal ever.

Kind of what happened to Kenny.

[Obrusnine]

I felt like strangling Ben to death before throwing him off of the train when he told me, seriously, how stupid could you be?

[Ninja Gaijin]

Should be an option to use Ben for food.

[Mafon2]

«He's young and stupid», cut him some slack.

[ommmnomnomnom]

Ben and Lily actually did some of us a favor. Those who were thinking with the other big head might think they could get some action with Lily or Carley while still protecting Clementine were dividing their efforts. Now we can focus one hundred percent on Clem. Also if Ben had let us in on the plan we could have laid a trap for the bandits.

Clems gonna betray you...shell leave you or zombify by episode 5

[WD40]

When Carley got shot in the face, I was very angry at Lily, and she was left behind without even a first thought, or remorse. I had a gut feeling that it was Ben that did it, but I didn't have proof, so I let it slide for that time.

When Ben told me, I told him to shut up about it and not tell everyone else. This way he can feel betrayed by the only person he thought he could trust with this knowledge if I'm given an option to save or not save him.

Would I kill him on purpose? No. Is he a priority for me to save now? Definitely not anymore. To paraphrase what Kenny said in Ep.3, if there isn't enough room on the boat, he ain't coming with.

[Luckycharm]

Clems gonna betray you...shell leave you or zombify by episode 5

That would actually be very Walking "Deadish" lol. I think Lee and Clem's relationship might indeed get more complicated in the coming episode as Clem wants to find or at least, know what happend to her parents no matter what (she is a child...) and Lee's looking out for their safety. Disagreements might turn up and cause some chaos !

[NeonBlade]

Has anyone tried going to the grate where the bag is, but instead of taking it. Reporting it to Lily? Is there even a dialogue choice that allows this?

[LadyJ]

I vote that Ben should be killed or at least should have been left behind. His actions caused the bandits to attack.

I commend Lilly for taking the bandits out and that to me minimized the impact of her shooting Carly. She is the one that got them out of the hotel in the first place.

Lee sort of threatens Ben to keep his mouth shut but I can see that not happening and Kenny going apeshit and killing him.

[skepticalguy90]

I vote that Ben should be killed or at least should have been left behind. His actions caused the bandits to attack.

I commend Lilly for taking the bandits out and that to me minimized the impact of her shooting Carly. She is the one that got them out of the hotel in the first place.

Lee sort of threatens Ben to keep his mouth shut but I can see that not happening and Kenny going apeshit and killing him.

My Lee managed to kill about 5 of those bandits. I don't give Lily credit for killing 1 bandit, especially after she blew Carley away.

[CapnJay]

Ben is going to die. Larry invoked hate in episode 1 [as did duck though not from me] then Larry died in episode 2 Kenny invoked hate in episode 2 and lost his whole family in episode 3. The only way Ben is going to survive episode 4 is he undergoes something horribly traumatic and since he has no family ties or people he really cares about. Death seems imminent.

[WD40]

Ben is going to die. Larry invoked hate in episode 1 [as did duck though not from me] then Larry died in episode 2 Kenny invoked hate in episode 2 and lost his whole family in episode 3. The only way Ben is going to survive episode 4 is he undergoes something horribly traumatic and since he has no family ties or people he really cares about. Death seems imminent.

I feel that the whole 'character receives fan hate/they try to redeem character/they kill off character right after' shtick is getting overplayed. If they do kill off Ben, they better not have him be heroic, or at least be better in the eyes of the player first. Because they've done this every time so far. Just leave it as is. Let the fact that he's just a kid be enough reason for not wanting him to die. I for one don't want him to die, even if I don't like him.

[CapnJay]

I feel that the whole 'character receives fan hate/they try to redeem character/they kill off character right after' shtick is getting overplayed. If they do kill off Ben, they better not have him be heroic, or at least be better in the eyes of the player first. Because they've done this every time so far. Just leave it as is. Let the fact that he's just a kid be enough reason for not wanting him to die. I for one don't want him to die, even if I don't like him.


And he ate the last of the Candy.

[Master of Aeons]

Ben isn't a heroic character. He's a coward. While everyone has done something unexpected, they've stayed in character. Ben isn't likely to redeem himself.

[Suijen]

I disagree with what the majority is saying also.

What Ben did was foolish and naive, but it was well-intentioned. The bandits claimed that they had a friend, and he knew that as long as the bandits (with superior firepower mind you) were pissed, they will keep attacking, and we can't really expect the group to hold off forever. He gave a few critical supplies to stall the bandits, and it worked; Lee states that the bandits suddenly stopped attacking. I think we know why. He regrets his actions, but I'm only disappointed that he didn't discuss with the group first. If it were up to me, I'd bribe the bandits a bit before blazing out of there in the middle of the night.

I do not blame him for Carley's death nor for Lilly's idiocy. No, I blame LILLY for her stupidity. Yeah she's damn good with a gun and is incredibly useful, but who gave her the right to be judge, jury, and executioner? She not only shot the wrong person, she shot the person for the wrong reason; being called out as a psycho bitch is no reason for shooting someone in cold blood, and shooting Carley or Doug isn't really going to make our supplies magically come back. Lilly wasn't even sorry that she killed a member of the group.

It's people like her that are a danger to the group. Ben's only as guilty as Duck would be.

[SonnyN18]

If Ben hadn't given the bandits supplies they would have attacked and/or demanded tribute anyway.

You can actually talk down the bandits but Lilly shoots the leader, starting the attack.

It's Lilly's fault, not Ben's.

Are you fucking my ass right now? How come he didn't tell us shit and let us take care of it or leave the motel. Oh but I think it's ok that Lilly not shooting them when they have our people and take all our meds is totally fine.

[bazenji]

Lilly knew the bandits would attack again and she refused to leave. Most of the people there were willing to leave as long as they had a plan.

Considering Lilly shot Carley in the face for sassing her, I can understand why Ben was a little hesitant to 1) confess he did it and 2) discuss it with the group.

In short, Lilly's insane and Ben didn't want her shooting everyone in the face.

[Bearcules]

really? I consider him the dead-weight guy. Not a kid that needs protecting but not an adult that can hold his own, and after ep 3 being alive is his last remaining good quality

Ben is still a kid. His responsibilities pre-apoc were grades and school sports. He is scared but he has redeeming qualities. When you first meet Ben and the others, he cares more about the well being of his teacher than his own safety. When he gives the bandits supplies it's out of poor judgement. He tends to be a burden on the group because of his youth and judgement but I don't wish the kid dead any more than Clementine.

Edit: I have a hard time believing 99% of the people criticizing Ben would have shown fortitude in the same situation.

[darham175]

As some famous dead guy who I'm too lazy to google said. United we stand, divided we fall. By not bothering to consult with the group Ben divided us and we ALL see how well that went.

[Milosuperspesh]

https://www.facebook.com/#!/SaveCarley

[Wrighty]

I'm not angry at Ben. He's just a stupid scared kid, not a bad person. The bandits would have attacked if there was no deal away, maybe all he did was delay the inevitable. I seriously hate Lilly for freaking out and killing Carley for no good reason. She should have known paranoia gets us nowhere!

[SteveTheBlocks]

I'm not angry at Ben. He's just a stupid scared kid, not a bad person. The bandits would have attacked if there was no deal away, maybe all he did was delay the inevitable. I seriously hate Lilly for freaking out and killing Carley for no good reason. She should have known paranoia gets us nowhere!

Yeah, i know people are over-reacting about Carley's death.
If anything we should blame Lilly, She didn't wanna leave the motel, she knew the bandits were attacking, if we left sooner, no one would've died, Katjaa wouldn't have killed herself, Duck wouldn't have been bitten, Ben wouldn't have been responsible for their deaths, and Doug or Carley wouldn't have died.

We all wanted to kill Duck first, then we just felt bad for him at the end, Then we wanted to kill Larry, most of us decided to save him, and now we want to kill Ben? It's seriously not his fault.

[Grimez]

Yes, he will pay for Carley's death.

[Zeruis]

Did anybody honestly think that Ben was going to confess right before Kenny hit that walker with the RV?

[Joshua1991]

Did you suspected Ben earlier in the episode when he was all panicky when Lee asked him about the broken flashlight?

[Grimez]

Nope.

[ashesandwine]

I actually thought it was Carley because she was coming onto me O.o

[Rock114]

Before that, actually. I watched the trailer where Lilly says that someone has been taking things, and I have no idea why, but as soon as I saw Ben on watch I said to myself "Yup, it's him alright."

[jtlcr777]

I thought it was all a misunderstanding or some set up, until Ben said "it was me" and I was like "oh helll no"

[Fluffyburrito]

I assumed it was Duck and his final words would be telling you he did it.

[chaz99]

Yeah, I kind of expected it. So I vented by threatening him when he confessed.

Douchebag that he is. He's directly responsible for the death of Carley/Doug. Carley, I might add, apart from the intimacy, saved my Lee's life at least four times.

He better start $hitting antibiotics, guns and ammo if he wants to get back into my good books.

[dubesor]

It was pretty obvious. When you talked to him sitting on the RV. He was extremely nervous and panicked totally when you asked him about it.

So yes, it was obvious it was Ben.

[Sergiy]

Yep. the quiet guy, who so far, has done nothing for the good of the group.

Plus I think the facial animations were great.

[LadyJ]

I did initially suspect him, then in a strange moment I suspected that Lilly was the one who was doing it and was accusing someone else just to cover her tracks.

[Grimez]

I did initially suspect him, then in a strange moment I suspected that Lilly was the one who was doing it and was accusing someone else just to cover her tracks.

I thought that for a second as well. But then I wondered why she would tell us about it in the first place if she did. The group had no clue the supplies were being stolen.

[LadyJ]

I thought that for a second as well. But then I wondered why she would tell us about it in the first place if she did. The group had no clue the supplies were being stolen.

Yeah, but she was paranoid. She could have suspected that someone was watching HER and about to tell so she could have tossed out the accusation before she was found out.

Of course that's not the way it went down but it was a nice theory that lived in my head for a while :D

[thestalkinghead]

i suspected ben may have had a drug problem

[Red Panda]

Yeah, I did. Part of it was just I trusted everybody else except Ben.

[thestalkinghead]

Yeah, I did. Part of it was just I trusted everybody else except Ben.

yeah me to, i only just thought that maybe it could have been kenny for the pain of his gunshot

did anybody else think it was weird that during the argument with lilly about who the traitor is, you can get to a point where talking about Ben Lee says "He's broken" i thought that meant he had basically confessed and we all knew, why couldn't i mention that again?

[Murasaki]

Don't know why, maybe I misunderstood the situation, but I thought I was entertaining Lilly's irrational behaviour and that no one was to blame.

[Red Panda]

Don't know why, maybe I misunderstood the situation, but I thought I was entertaining Lilly's irrational behaviour and that no one was to blame.

That's valid. You didn't misunderstand anything.

[YamiRaziel]

I actually thought it was Carley... she acted really irrational in that scene. I mean she knew it wasn't her obviously and there was nobody left but Ben. Instead of saying that it must be him she started defending him and even worse, talking back to Lilly... She kinda brought this on herself.
Had she told us that I must've been Ben, she would be alive, Lilly would still be with the group and the traitor would be identified/eliminated. Now as I think of it I don't think she ever stated her opinion out loud. She didn't take the security of this group seriously enough and for that she looked guilty as hell in my eyes.

[thestalkinghead]

I actually thought it was Carley... she acted really irrational in that scene. I mean she knew it wasn't her obviously and there was nobody left but Ben. Instead of saying that it must be him she started defending him and even worse, talking back to Lilly... She kinda brought this on herself.
Had she told us that I must've been Ben, she would be alive, Lilly would still be with the group and the traitor would be identified/eliminated. Now as I think of it I don't think she ever stated her opinion out loud. She didn't take the security of this group seriously enough and for that she looked guilty as hell in my eyes.
you can say that Ben had broken so Lilly knew it was ben before she killed Carley for insulting her

[dubesor]

I actually thought it was Carley...

^ Carley defended Ben heavily when Lilly accused him. If it was her, she wouldn't defend him so extremely hard but would feel fine for someone "innocent" being accused. For me the suspects were in this order:

Ben (freaked out when asked)- Lilly herself (getting freaky, maybe wanting to cause trouble herself), Kenny (being egocentric all game for his family, maybe stacking supplies for when leaving the group).

Carley was the last person I would think to steal supplies due to her behaviour and talking

[Red Panda]

I didn't pick this up before I saw a playthrough, but as soon as they escape the motel, before Lilly says anything, Ben says "I'm sorry."

[Zeruis]

I honestly thought that he didn't do it. I thought it was Lilly herself. I think that Ben was probably going to confess if Kenny hadn't run over that walker with the RV.

[Androu1]

I suspected Kenny. I thought "hey, he may have been doing it for his family".

[Gennadios]

I don't get it, feeding supplies to the bandits bought the group a moment of peace and they were clearly doing better supply wise at the beginning of ep. 3 than ep. 2.

My thoughts up until the confession was "whatever." Yeah, it was stupid that it was kept secret from the group, but the whole time I was pretty sure that the benefits meant that whoever was doing it had a valid reason.

In fact, the whole 'confession' about a friend being held hostage was just damn stupid, it was unnecessary and over-written.

I think people are more butthurt about Carley being killed than the treason.

[Gman5852]

I think the issue is that the group already had a deal with the bandits(as you can tell from Lee already mentioning the deal during the fight) and then Ben was giving them food and supplies on top of what was already being taken instead of saying that the bandits are planning an attack and they must leave asap.

Instead, Ben sat there and did what they said, and now Lilly is gone and Duck, Katjaa, and Doug/Carley are dead.

[SonnyN18]

And let our group get sick? Ben stashed our meds outside so the bandits can come in and take it. Don't you remember in episode 2 when Mark got shot and we attempted to take out the bandits so they wouldn't hurt us? If he had told us we would've dealt with the situation.

[Gennadios]

^You mean when the bandits were shouting "You broke your part of the deal!" or somesuch? It was never implied who had the deal and some of the early conversations made it seem as if nobody really knew why they bandits were leaving them alone, they were just relieved that they were.

Unless I missed some convo options aside from that, the deal that was broken was supposed to be the supply bag left in the ventilation shaft, no?

[SonnyN18]

I think the issue is that the group already had a deal with the bandits(as you can tell from Lee already mentioning the deal during the fight) and then Ben was giving them food and supplies on top of what was already being taken instead of saying that the bandits are planning an attack and they must leave asap.

Instead, Ben sat there and did what they said, and now Lilly is gone and Duck, Katjaa, and Doug/Carley are dead.

No, Lee figured out that someone was working with them so he lied and made it seem like the group knew about the deal so they wouldn't hurt someone and enough time for Lilly to make her shot.

[TheWildcard]

No the group didn't have a deal with the bandits already. Lee just figured out there was one from the dialog and tried to calm things down. And yes Ben was a traitor and should be killed. At first I thought he was just feeding supplies to protect the camp, but think about all the clues you run in to. The guy was setting the camp up for a fall...

[Gennadios]

The number of bandits that assaulted the Motel was pretty high. Ep. 2 was just a recon op on a smaller camp to teach them a lesson. From the way the fortifications looked and the attack itself, I don't think the group was in any condition to deal with them.

A possible death by infection is still a better bet than a likely death by bandits. The only reason the group even made it out alive was because the gunshots drew zombies, I don't think they would have held up in a stand-up fight.

[SonnyN18]

^You mean when the bandits were shouting "You broke your part of the deal!" or somesuch? It was never implied who had the deal and some of the early conversations made it seem as if nobody really knew why they bandits were leaving them alone, they were just relieved that they were.

Unless I missed some convo options aside from that, the deal that was broken was supposed to be the supply bag left in the ventilation shaft, no?

Did you not play the last episode completely? Ben said he did it because they were supposedly holding his friend but even when he figured out they were lying, he didn't tell us anything. They were supposed to get the package in the shaft but Lee took the evidence that someone was working with them by leaving the bandits a package.

[SonnyN18]

The number of bandits that assaulted the Motel was pretty high. Ep. 2 was just a recon op on a smaller camp to teach them a lesson. From the way the fortifications looked and the attack itself, I don't think the group was in any condition to deal with them.

A possible death by infection is still a better bet than a likely death by bandits. The only reason the group even made it out alive was because the gunshots drew zombies, I don't think they would have held up in a stand-up fight.

Or we could have at left the place so we wouldn't deal with them, Our fight with the bandits opened up our defenses letting walkers in, biting duck and pushing Kat to suicide.

[Gennadios]

Or we could have at left the place so we wouldn't deal with them, Our fight with the bandits opened up our defenses letting walkers in, biting duck and pushing Kat to suicide.

Sorry, that last remark was for Gman, stealthed a comment in the middle.

It didn't look like anyone was ready to move at the beginning anyway. Kenny was talking about moving on for 4 months and Lilly and Doug were content as-is. The group needed a kick in the ass to move, and a full scale assault did just that.

As for getting Duck killed, wasn't it a dream come true to some players?

[SonnyN18]

Sorry, that last remark was for Gman, stealthed a comment in the middle.

It didn't look like anyone was ready to move at the beginning anyway. Kenny was talking about moving on for 4 months and Lilly and Doug were content as-is. The group needed a kick in the ass to move, and a full scale assault did just that.

As for getting Duck killed, wasn't it a dream come true to some players?

How the hell were they expecting a full on assault when they didn't even know until that episode that a deal was going on at all. If they knew they would've done something plus, Ben straight up lied to our group.

[Cyreen]

From all the arrows in the wall on the outside and Lee's comments, that wasn't the first time they'd dealt with the bandits, but it was the first time they'd breached the perimeter.

[SteveTheBlocks]

When we got back from the drug store you should've seen the multiple arrows on the side of the motel's barricade, the bandits are ruthless, and they'll always crave for more to survive, they've killed students, and will stop at nothing to get what they want, we should have left the Motel, but Lilly insisted on staying past the winter.
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Sure, Ben lied to us and got 3 people killed but the true reality is that, he delayed the attack, the bandit were sure to find our camp someday, they were going to threaten us, we can't just pretend Ben is the Enemy here, Lilly convinced herself it was safe to stay at the Motel and that "stealing was equivalent to killing", it was a stupid reason, her paranoia got to the best of her and got Carley shot, it was only medicine right? we got more from the Drug store with Kenny anyways.
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Lilly even said "Oh, so Kenny can kill my dad, but someone can steal?", she even pointed a gun at Ben on my playthrough, she's no better than Kenny.
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And to be fair, at first I thought it was Ben's fault too, but you have to think things through first.
I don't hate Lilly but people need to wake up and see that it wasn't Ben's fault, and drop the "Kill Ben" thing because they actually believe it was Ben's fault that Carley died.

[LadyJ]

Yeah the bandits knew where they were all along. Remember that crazy lady spying on them with the camcorder in the woods? It's pretty sure that they had tried to approach before specially with the arrows.

What I found odd was that Ben said they were holding his friend and he believed them. WHAT FRIEND? It was just he, the teacher and another guy in the woods that day right? The friend got bitten right away and we know the fate of the teacher so who was he talking about and why still lying?

[Shahmario]

I thought he did it because right after the bandits went to the motel and everyone was in the RV he whispered "I'm sorry...". Why the heck would you say sorry if you had nothing to do with it? And also, when he was saying he would do this for a month and do that for a month, it also gave it away that he had something to do with it. To tell you the honest truth, even though I knew he did it, I still was on his side, i dont know why but I was, but when Doug/Carley got shot, I just started to hate him. If he only said he did it from the get go, everything would have went waaaaaaaaaaaay more somoother in the episode........except for kenny and katjaa, they're still screwed.

[SonnyN18]

When we got back from the drug store you should've seen the multiple arrows on the side of the motel's barricade, the bandits are ruthless, and they'll always crave for more to survive, they've killed students, and will stop at nothing to get what they want, we should have left the Motel, but Lilly insisted on staying past the winter.
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Sure, Ben lied to us and got 3 people killed but the true reality is that, he delayed the attack, the bandit were sure to find our camp someday, they were going to threaten us, we can't just pretend Ben is the Enemy here, Lilly convinced herself it was safe to stay at the Motel and that "stealing was equivalent to killing", it was a stupid reason, her paranoia got to the best of her and got Carley shot, it was only medicine right? we got more from the Drug store with Kenny anyways.
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Lilly even said "Oh, so Kenny can kill my dad, but someone can steal?", she even pointed a gun at Ben on my playthrough, she's no better than Kenny.
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And to be fair, at first I thought it was Ben's fault too, but you have to think things through first.
I don't hate Lilly but people need to wake up and see that it wasn't Ben's fault, and drop the "Kill Ben" thing because they actually believe it was Ben's fault that Carley died.

The truth is that Ben were giving them our supplies without telling a word.

[Bashtee]

but as soon as they escape the motel, before Lilly says anything, Ben says "I'm sorry."

Yep. What also bugged me... He was on watch, so how did the bandits get so easily into the motel? There was no warning whatsoever.

[DreadMagus]

I suspected him from the moment he opened his mouth.

[Razzak]

I thought It was Ben.Because he was on the patrol again.Then the freak out about flashlight etc but when Carley died I didnt even cared about betrayal or something.And when Katjaa and Duck died I forgot about that :D

[pdlbean]

no, because I read something on the forums before I played accidentally that led me to believe it was someone else.

[kingmartykim]

Well at first I thought it was Ben but after i showed the broken flashlight to Carley she kind of acted as if she did it aswell...but then i thought maybe she knew all about Ben and his intentions....you know kind of like when she knew everything about Lee....so i believe Carley knew about Ben and that's why she kept defending Ben and that lead to her death

[bazenji]

As far as I'm concerned, Ben bought the team time. If everyone had listened to Kenny, none of this would have happened.

Wow...I can't believe I just said that.

tl;dr, it's all Lilly's fault.

[SteveTheBlocks]

As far as I'm concerned, Ben bought the team time. If everyone had listened to Kenny, none of this would have happened.

Wow...I can't believe I just said that.

tl;dr, it's all Lilly's fault.

Thank you, someone who understands.

[bazenji]

Thank you, someone who understands.

Like I said somewhere else, knowing what you know now and playing through Episode 1, it's obvious that Lilly is a nutjob. That video "The Silent Treatment" lets you get a good sense of everyone's personality in that argument and I get the feeling most people, like me, were trying to get on her good side and be diplomatic.

But if you just sit back and let her talk? Holy crap, she's a total monster.

[ProjectPIKA]

I didn't pick this up before I saw a playthrough, but as soon as they escape the motel, before Lilly says anything, Ben says "I'm sorry."

Yeah. When they were on the RV and Ben said that line, I was like "You little turd!! I wish I had the choice to leave you behind with your other classmates on EP2!" :mad:

[SteveTheBlocks]

Like I said somewhere else, knowing what you know now and playing through Episode 1, it's obvious that Lilly is a nutjob. That video "The Silent Treatment" lets you get a good sense of everyone's personality in that argument and I get the feeling most people, like me, were trying to get on her good side and be diplomatic.

But if you just sit back and let her talk? Holy crap, she's a total monster.

Wow, really?
I better check that out.

[LokiHavok]

I suspected him as soon as I asked him about the broken flashlight, back at the motor inn.
Wasn't 100 percent sure. Like 90 percent.
The other 10 was on Carley, cause of her reaction too.

[rachellouise85]

I suspected him, when it was clearly not lilly's paranoia, and someone had been taking and leaving stuff for someone . I could only think of him who had come into contact with the bandits

[Schizodeluxe]

I must be the only one who suspected Kenny of doing it, I never suspected Carly, was no reason for her to do it, Ben I thought was too chicken to do anything like that, so it could really only have been Kenny in my mind so was a surprise when found out it was Ben

[helno]

Actually I didint suspect anyone ,I tought that someone from the outside ,maybe bandits ,was stealing medicine.But when Ben addmited that he was stealing from the camp I was really surprised and realised that from now on anyone can stab a knife in your back.

[Abel]

Well, I couldn't tell, but I knew Carley wouldn't lie to me, still it could have been another person, ie Lilly herself. Its legit though that its Ben, he's just a frightened kid, even Clem is more adult...

[United 23]

I always thought it was either Ben or Lilly. I know Ben is always nervous about stuff but he was getting way too panicky for it not be him. I also had a feeling Lilly might have just been trying to make all of it up so it looked like someone else done it and she was trying to figure out who.

[fanganga]

At first I had a little suspicion of Ben, but thought I was probably unjustified in going straight for the new guy. I had a little bit of a worry that it might have been Carley, mainly because she'd be about the worst person for Lee to have to condemn. I wasn't certain enough of either to name anyone in the RV - I read Ben's "I'm sorry" as a generalised "Oh shit" line rather than an admission of responsibility. It was during the confrontation when I thought I figured it out - see my thread here (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32598) - I figured Kenny had the most motive, not trusting Lilly's assurances that they could defend the motel and figuring that the only way to protect his family was to go behind her back and pay off the bandits. Guess I was wrong - good thing the game didn't let me follow up on that "It was someone else" line.

[Milosuperspesh]

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=868

i wonder how many of you are full of 'swears' here ;)

[TheWildcard]

Umm did everyone miss the X on the wall or something? Says to me that Ben may of been marking a weak point into the camp...As I said I suspect he was setting up the camp for a fall. Most likely being told "Kid we are going to take your camp and women no matter what you do. Best to just help us and we'll let you join us when its done." I mean otherwise why wouldn't he tell the group? Why and when was he meeting up with the bandits in the first place? People are down playing what Ben did....

[Milosuperspesh]

Did anybody honestly think that Ben was going to confess right before Kenny hit that walker with the RV?

no, note it took ben to be alone with lee, also probably considering his actions and to suicide by train..

i kinda wish lee could of pushed him off the train... a bit like dangling omid over the bridge lol

[StrawberryRainPop]

How can there NOT be an option to kill Ben in Episode 3, i will never know. First chance i get, hes biting it.

I dont care if he has a family, i dont care if its front of clementine, and i dont care even if its during a reunion with someone he knows.

Hes going down.

[Red Panda]

How can there NOT be an option to kill Ben in Episode 3, i will never know. First chance i get, hes biting it.

I dont care if he has a family, i dont care if its front of clementine, and i dont care even if its during a reunion with someone he knows.

Hes going down.

He's going to die. It seems almost a sure thing.

[skepticalguy90]

Did anybody honestly think that Ben was going to confess right before Kenny hit that walker with the RV?

I thought he might have if given another minute or so.

[bazenji]

Yeah, i know people are over-reacting about Carley's death.
If anything we should blame Lilly, She didn't wanna leave the motel, she knew the bandits were attacking, if we left sooner, no one would've died, Katjaa wouldn't have killed herself, Duck wouldn't have been bitten, Ben wouldn't have been responsible for their deaths, and Doug or Carley wouldn't have died.

We all wanted to kill Duck first, then we just felt bad for him at the end, Then we wanted to kill Larry, most of us decided to save him, and now we want to kill Ben? It's seriously not his fault.

It's because a lot of people had invested in Lilly and were trying to nurture a romance with her, so they're in total battered spouse syndrome right now ignoring that she was always screwed up from the day they met her.

Seriously, she tried to throw Clementine and Duck TO THE ZOMBIES.

Lee: "But they're just kids!"

Lilly: "The zombies out there don't care!"

She always plays the victim then goes right for the throat.

[bazenji]

Ben was on watch and he tried to brush off the broken flashlight with a joke. My first response was, "Why not just admit the flashlight so we can handle Lilly's craziness as soon as possible?" And then I found the meds...

[RedKoolLoops]

Before the bandit attacks, my mind kept darting between Ben and Carley because they were so flippant in the situation.

Ben with his stuttering and nervous jokes and Carley because she kept glancing around awkwardly when confronted with the questions.
It made it all even worse when you found out who it really was.

[Orenishii]

After his reaction about the flash light and finding the stolen supplies in the drain thing I knew immediately it was Ben. No one else in the group would back down to the bandits without telling the rest of the group what was going on. This is why I defended Carley all the way through Lilly's accusations. I dislike Ben for not confessing because maybe, Carley wouldn't be dead?

[Matrox Yang]

I didn't really think much about it, Lilly was the only one who really seemed to care that much about who stole the food- especially after all the stuff that went down (ma bro doug and ma other bro's family dyin'!). I didn't really care who stole the food anymore. When Ben told me I was just like "Why'd you have to tell me that, it doesn't matter anymore." Still, at least I know in future not to trust the guy.

[Matrox Yang]

I agree with OP, I didn't really care who stole the supplies and when Ben finally admitted it I was too emotionally drained to be angry.

[RIPCarley]

If TTG wanted to be ballsy, here's what they should have done.

If you admit to Ben at the camp you are a killer AND you don't accuse him outright in the woods, he confesses to the crime. Then you vote if he stays or not. This would help give a sense of character development in Ben and respect the player's agency in the game.

The Walking Dead is starting to become very predictable with its unspoken rule 1/2 person dying per episode. I felt like TTG was playing too safe in episode 3 by wrestling control out of the player's hands to off characters and conveniently giving you control of decisions that don't change the story.

[Milosuperspesh]

If TTG wanted to be ballsy, here's what they should have done.

If you admit to Ben at the camp you are a killer AND you don't accuse him outright in the woods, he confesses to the crime. Then you vote if he stays or not. This would help give a sense of character development in Ben and respect the player's agency in the game.

The Walking Dead is starting to become very predictable with its unspoken rule 1/2 person dying per episode. I felt like TTG was playing too safe in episode 3 by wrestling control out of the player's hands to off characters and conveniently giving you control of decisions that don't change the story.

some might consider your id tag a bit of a spoiler...for those who are new to the game..

ttg played safe in ep3 ?? wow if ep3 is 'safe' i dread to think what is moving in your mind...

i dunno if you've played many 'point n click action games' before but control on lee is always limited.. this is clear in ep1 and ep2...

[Viser]

I don't know, sometimes I feel most people overreact... I mean, everytime people don't like someone in the game they just feel like that person deserves death, c'mon, people hated Duck (a freaking kid) just because he was a bit annoying, and actually blamed him for killing Shawn, instead of blaming whoever let a kid up on the tractor. What Ben did was not his fault, people complain about him not telling the group and blame the bandit's attack on him.

First off, why would anyone in the group (except for Lee) give two shits about Ben's friend being held captive by the bandits (which he didn't know was a lie)? Do you remember how Ben and the teacher were greeted by two people yelling at Lee and Kenny for bringing more mouths to feed?

Plus, Lilly was clearly about to snap and Ben says she scared the crap out of him, he certainly thought that if he had told her, she would've kicked him out of the group or killed him if people were against that idea (just like she tried outside the RV).

And also, how could the bandit attack be his fault? If anything, he just delayed it a little bit, it was bound to happen sooner or later, the fact there was a deal just meant the bandits could take advantage of the group for a while before they raided it. If there was no deal, they would've just simply kept attacking the motel.

But heck, maybe that's just me. I couldn't even blame Lilly for shooting Doug (I actually almost cried at that part), my favorite character, the only one that tried to keep the peace without violence along with Lee, and the last person on the group that would have deserved a death like that. What Lilly did was way worse than what Ben did, and if I couldn't be mad at her, I would never be mad at him.

Oh well, I've written enough, let me know what else you people think...

[Kiel555]

Either you saved Carley or Doug. These great characters shall be avenged. Yeah, Lilly killed them, BUT Ben was giving the extra stuff to the bandits, wich caused the whole thing.

These were great characters, ones who shouldn't be forgotten. Ben, a stupid little teenager who is more scared of everything then a 12 year old.

Please, by joining this thread, you 100% guarantee that you WILL kill Ben, at the first time you get.

You have my word. Ben is already dead to me! I don't care how awful or sorry for Ben TTG makes me feel I'm pulling the trigger!

So let it be written so let it be done.

[Seath]

How the fuck can you blame Ben so much? He's just a kid who thought he was protecting his friends/the group.
Of course he should have told the group about the deal, but he was also dead afraid of Lilly, kicking his ass out of the group after his confession. So he did that what many kids would have done, try to hide it.
Sure you may argue that in a ZA theres no time and place for this childish behaviour, but still it wasn't that of a big deal. After the scavenge we had a lot of stuff, we surely could have survived the loss of some meds.

If anybody is to blame, it's Lilly. She literally shot Carley in the face. I mean right in cold blood in the face. She didn't even show any remorse after it. The group was already small, why would a rational person decimate it more? The heck why would a rational person shoot sb. who wasn't even looking at him.

[SteveTheBlocks]

Do you really want to kill Ben just because of Carley, even though she defended Ben?
And Lilly killed Carley in cold blood without regrets, she interrogated her first in the RV as well.

Doug saved Ben from being shot and got himself killed instead, both of their deaths would be in vein, if you decide to kill Ben.

I'm just sick of all this "Kill Ben" nonsense because of Carley, it may be a game but you all treat it like Carley's the only human being around here.

I'm sorry, don't get me wrong I wanted to kill Ben at first too because of Doug, but you have to think hard about this, was Ben really the culprit of all this, or was Lilly's judgement the culprit, we were being attacked by the bandits before the episode started, you saw the arrows, we should've left the motel, but Lilly wanted to stay.

Even if he didn't tell the group about giving bandits supplies, it was just medicine, Lilly shouldn't have gotten all paranoid, we got more from the drug store anyways.

I know we all have a connection with each character, but you can't just kill Ben because you think it was his fault, and didn't get Carley as your romance.

[Kiel555]

How the fuck can you blame Ben so much? He's just a kid who thought he was protecting his friends/the group.
Of course he should have told the group about the deal, but he was also dead afraid of Lilly, kicking his ass out of the group after his confession. So he did that what many kids would have done, try to hide it.
Sure you may argue that in a ZA theres no time and place for this childish behaviour, but still it wasn't that of a big deal. After the scavenge we had a lot of stuff, we surely could have survived the loss of some meds.

If anybody is to blame, it's Lilly. She literally shot Carley in the face. I mean right in cold blood in the face. She didn't even show any remorse after it. The group was already small, why would a rational person decimate it more? The heck why would a rational person shoot sb. who wasn't even looking at him.

I have read this and other comments where Ben's youth and inexperience should be taken into consideration....I understand. There were extenuating circumstances that affected Ben and his actions that should be taken into consideration...I understand. That someone else is to blame for any deaths that ocured....I understand.

Ben is a traitor. He committed the heinous crime of treason at a time when his community needed him the most and had placed special trust in him (you saw him on guard duty with a loaded weapon right?).

In my game, Ben will be executed at the earliest possible moment.

[Xarne]

For some reason. Cretins like Ben always seem to survive.

This. He'll either scamper away during a fight leaving someone else die or freezes up and causes the death of another.

[Xarne]

First off, why would anyone in the group (except for Lee) give two shits about Ben's friend being held captive by the bandits (which he didn't know was a lie)? Do you remember how Ben and the teacher were greeted by two people yelling at Lee and Kenny for bringing more mouths to feed?


Because he was using supplies others risked their lives to get in order to keep the group alive, not some bandits with a story in the woods. If he wants to use the group's supplies he should've had the group's permission. ESPECIALLY since he brings absolutely nothing to the table. If he told the group earlier, they could have handled it or at the very least, been prepared for that raid- he directly lead to the death of Doug/Carley and indirectly caused Duck's death which then caused Kat's.

[GenericMartini]

Because he was using supplies others risked their lives to get in order to keep the group alive, not some bandits with a story in the woods. If he wants to use the group's supplies he should've had the group's permission. ESPECIALLY since he brings absolutely nothing to the table. If he told the group earlier, they could have handled it or at the very least, been prepared for that raid- he directly lead to the death of Doug/Carley and indirectly caused Duck's death which then caused Kat's.

One thing I don't get is how did he directly lead to Doug/Carley's death. Carley died from ticking off Lilly and Doug took a bullet for Ben. Ben in no way held a gun to them nor did he call out either as being a traitor. Lilly went overboard and hell even with the group's obvious protest against prosecuting any of them she went through with it.(My Lee didn't want either punished) This should've let her know that we didn't want to deal with this situation at that moment. Lilly wanted to kill someone she wanted it so bad, she just used the whole Traitor thing as her advantage to murder someone and get no consequences(evidenced by her stating she did what was best). And it failed.

I'm not gonna blame Ben for anything that happened in Episode 3 because Lilly going crazy wasn't his fault, Lilly's desire to punish someone with death wasn't his fault, and Ben/Carley's actions certainly weren't Ben's fault. If anything Ben's main fault was giving supplies that no one really knew was missing. Hell the only person who would've needed the drugs was Kenny and he didn't seem to give a hoot about it.

Like I stated before I won't kill Ben nor do I think he needs penance in death for anything that happened. He was only a pawn in Lilly's desire to kill in revenge for what her father her did and refuse to punish him for it.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

First chance i get, i will kill him!

[Xarne]

One thing I don't get is how did he directly lead to Doug/Carley's death.
If he had told the group about the bandits from the start; they never would have been taken off-guard like that.
He was conducting his own little deal with the group's supplies and when it went sour they all got ambushed.
But more importantly, if he had manned up and confessed at the side of the RV after the raid, Doug /Carley would be alive right now.
How do you not see him as the direct cause of their death? Both of them died protecting him. Doug even more so than Carley.

[DreadMagus]

How can I blame Ben?

Because the group got cut in half because of his actions and silence.

There is no "kid" - like the crazy hobo says.... There's only alive and dead....

[John W.]

How can I blame Ben?

Because the group got cut in half because of his actions and silence.

There is no "kid" - like the crazy hobo says.... There's only alive and dead....

That crazy hobo has lost touch with any shred of humanity he had before the apocalypse. Do you really want to follow his ideals and mindset? He may have been right about some things, but he's woefully wrong about others.

I just don't understand why you're all so mad. Do you think a similar situation wouldn't have arisen without Ben's dicking around? Lilly had gone off the deep end and would have used anything to justify losing her shit.

At the end of the day, though, who do you really blame? Ben had to placate the bandits; if we had moved on like Kenny said we should, he wouldn't have had to. Then again, if Kenny hadn't killed Larry prematurely, Lilly wouldn't have completely lost her mind and murdered Carley. But then again, if Larry hadn't been such an unjustified dickwad, Kenny might have shown more hesitance in killing him. BUT THEN, if there hadn't been a zombie apocalypse, Larry never would have --

Where does it end?

The answer I wanted to give Ben (but was incapable of giving him because of the weirdly narrow dialogue options in some portions of the game - seriously, some of the responses I want to give in certain situations are never on there, despite being very common threads of thought that many other people I know have discussed wanting to say) was, "I don't care. What's done is done, and nothing is going to change that. The past is the past, let's leave it there and move on." Maybe tell him to be a bit more forthcoming and open, from now on, to avoid mistakes like this in the future.

I won't kill him - but I suspect he'll take care of himself, anyway. My guess is that he'll sacrifice himself for somebody else, trying to make amends for what he's done - if you didn't notice, he was cradling his head in his arms against the railing of a moving train, his face completely contorted in mental agony. He's a complete guilty wreck, and I don't think he'll ever be able to forgive himself for what happened.

The lack of human sympathy in threads like these, though, kind of astounds me.

[Cyreen]

Poor Ben, dumb shit. Hopefully he gets the opportunity to grow up.

[Xarne]

Ben had to placate the bandits;
Why? And why in silence? He's shady and weak.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Why are people defending Ben so much? He caused all this! if he would have told the group about his deal maybe they would have understood and helped him, But no he didn't and he didn't tell Lilly so he let Carley/Doug die. I will Kill that bastard! as far as im concerned he is a traitor

[DreadMagus]

If you want to survive, you have to be ruthless. There's no place for a Ben in that equation.

[Rock114]

Ben was just a dumb kid who handled a delicate situation with all the grace of a gorilla. Do I like him? Hell no. Will I kill him as soon as he turns his back to me? Again, no. Lilly let her emotions get the best of her and we all saw the result of that. If we kill Ben out of vengeance, not only has Doug/Carley died in vain but we've become no better than Lilly.

We can't turn on our own now, especially with so few of us left. Everyone in the group, Clem, Ben, Chuck,[I]everyone[I] will have to step up if anyone wants to see that boat, and stepping up doesn't include revenge against our own in my book. Of course, if he fails to step up it'll probably be his cowardice at that moment that gets him killed. He proves that I can trust him to have my back, and I'll have his.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Ben was just a dumb kid who handled a delicate situation with all the grace of a gorilla. Do I like him? Hell no. Will I kill him as soon as he turns his back to me? Again, no. Lilly let her emotions get the best of her and we all saw the result of that. If we kill Ben out of vengeance, not only has Doug/Carley died in vain but we've become no better than Lilly.

We can't turn on our own now, especially with so few of us left. Everyone in the group, Clem, Ben, Chuck,[I]everyone[I] will have to step up if anyone wants to see that boat, and stepping up doesn't include revenge against our own in my book. Of course, if he fails to step up it'll probably be his cowardice at that moment that gets him killed. He proves that I can trust him to have my back, and I'll have his.

Then you are nicer then i am.

[Seath]

But no he didn't and he didn't tell Lilly so he let Carley/Doug die. I will Kill that bastard! as far as im concerned he is a traitor

How can he "let" Carley/Doug die, if it was Lilly who was holding the gun?
Everybody in the group was against starting a witch hunt, still Lilly played judge, jury and executioner. I guess he foresaw Lillys mental instability, but who the hell would have known, that her triggerfinger was that itchy?

[DreadMagus]

He could have fessed up - and possibly allow the situation to be defused.

[Seath]

Or Lilly shouldn't have put a friggin bullet in Carley's head. Look that's the thing with these who's guilty chain.
Some could start blaming Kenny for Carley's dead, because he bashed Larry's skull and thus making Lilly a ticking timebomb.

[Sisterofshane]

He could have fessed up - and possibly allow the situation to be defused.

Yeah, let's tell the lady that has locked herself in a room since her father's death that you are the one that was giving supplies to the bandits. Let's not forget that she and everyone else is armed. Yup, situation diffused!

[DreadMagus]

Or Lilly shouldn't have put a friggin bullet in Carley's head. Look that's the thing with these who's guilty chain.
Some could start blaming Kenny for Carley's dead, because he bashed Larry's skull and thus making Lilly a ticking timebomb.

That definitely started her mental train on a quick trip to freak-out-land, but it was the theft (caused by you know who) and the loss of her new home that sent her off the rails.

[Acadias]

He pretty much is the cause of all this but in the end I just can't find myself to hate Ben, Hes young and stupid.

That doesn't mean I'll trust him I'll always know what he did and have a suspicion of him but in the end I'll save him if I had to.

While Ben did make a deal with the Bandits he didn't do so to hurt the group and the one who who killed Carly/Doug was Lilly. Ducks and Katjas blood though is on his hands and if Kenny ever finds out hes a dead man.

So while I don't hate Ben hes not someone I'll give any important jobs to and will be stuck to the worst jobs and is not to be trusted until he redeems himself.

[Xarne]

whoa dude, dont you know Carley is dead? You HAVE to hate Ben. It's like, the law now

He doesnt have to die but he cant stay in my group, cant trust him.

[rachellouise85]

I felt sorry for him when he was on the train. He knows it's all his fault. He'll probably do something stupid, trying to earn our trust, or something.

[TheWildcard]

Am I the only one who thought the chalk marking was some kind of sign for hitting the camp? I believe ben was setting the camp up for a fall and only looking out for himself.

[Acadias]

Am I the only one who thought the chalk marking was some kind of sign for hitting the camp? I believe ben was setting the camp up for a fall and only looking out for himself.

You know I'm not to sure what the X mark meant... I guess there are a lot of unanswered questions about the whole thing.

[skepticalguy90]

Am I the only one who thought the chalk marking was some kind of sign for hitting the camp? I believe ben was setting the camp up for a fall and only looking out for himself.

My money is on the chalk mark meaning that the supplies are there for the taking in the vent on the exterior side of the motor inn.

[Milosuperspesh]

My money is on the chalk mark meaning that the supplies are there for the taking in the vent on the exterior side of the motor inn.

kinda obvious really :rolleyes:

[Xarne]

If you want to survive, you have to be ruthless. There's no place for a Ben in that equation.

I want you on my ZA team when it all hits the fan...




and that eyepatch!

[RedKoolLoops]

When Ben told me that he did it, I was overcome with anger so I threatened him. Immediately after, I felt a huge pang of guilt. I don't even know why.
I just kinda felt bad about how guilty he felt.

I don't think we'll have to worry about having the choice to kill him in the next episode though. Considering what he says to you about walkers when he's on watch on top of the train, he might not be around much longer. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen.

[Xarne]

When Ben told me that he did it, I was overcome with anger so I threatened him. Immediately after, I felt a huge pang of guilt. I don't even know why.
I just kinda felt bad about how guilty he felt.

I don't think we'll have to worry about having the choice to kill him in the next episode though. Considering what he says to you about walkers when he's on watch on top of the train, he might not be around much longer. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen.

How guilty for Ben were you feeling when Clem had a shotgun up against the back of her head?

[LoneSpektre]

Ben should of came to Lilly or Lee and told them he was being shaken down by the bandits immediately. Ben is an idiot. I dont care if hes a teen and hes scared. He should of trusted the leaders of the group, and maybe that would of convinced Lilly to get the hell outta dodge and everyone would still be alive. That being said, if theres an option to get rid of Ben or to kill him yourself, Im taking it. I would have tossed him over the rail if that was an option.

[RedKoolLoops]

How guilty for Ben were you feeling when Clem had a shotgun up against the back of her head?

No, no. I felt guilty about threatening him.

I'd been trying to be rational and compassionate to almost every character so far, but when I found out it was Ben I just snapped straight to the angry option. Up until then I even had an awful feeling that it actually was Carley, which is why I was so angered to find out it was him.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

No, no. I felt guilty about threatening him.

I'd been trying to be rational and compassionate to almost every character so far, but when I found out it was Ben I just snapped straight to the angry option. Up until then I even had an awful feeling that it actually was Carley, which is why I was so angered to find out it was him.

I threatened him too. i didn't feel guilty. If there was an option to throw him off the train i would have taken it. Hopefully you can kill him in Ep 4 :D

[DreadMagus]

You know, after retrying the first two chapters of Ep2 last night... when Ben is introduced... something dawned on me.

He was the LAST survivor of his old group.... and he's cut this group in HALF..... the kid is a walking menace whether he means to be or not..... lol

[merciful]

before this update: absolutely no emotional attachment to ben
after update: i hate the hell out of ben

[FarmerJoe]

If the choice comes up to kill Ben I think it shouldn't be as easy as shooting or throwing/leaving him to the walkers. It should be dealt with in a similar fashion to Andy St John, which means you have to repeatedly click on Ben to administer punches and kicks as he pleads for his life. This would be a lot more personal and horrific vengeful act and would possibly make the player think more about their decision. Remember Telltale doesn't like to give the player the easy option when it comes to characters that are disliked. :D

[bazenji]

How guilty for Ben were you feeling when Clem had a shotgun up against the back of her head?

You mean the shotgun up against the back of her head because the supplies were taken out of their spot?

Ben didn't let the bandits into the motel. They stormed in and took it. They could have taken it whenever they wanted.

[Xarne]

You mean the shotgun up against the back of her head because the supplies were taken out of their spot?

Ben didn't let the bandits into the motel. They stormed in and took it. They could have taken it whenever they wanted.

If Ben had presented this problem when it first arose to the group, none of this would have happened.

[JackSchirmer]

Well perhaps a damn hot blonde zombie or "Jenny Pitcher" will seduce him and then... bite ;) He is a student and I don't know... in the typical american horror movies they die in a kinda odd situation ;)

Anyways Ben did bring absolutley nothing to the table so if he goes away I wouldn't care. lol :D

How quickly they forget!

Didn't Ben originally bring three months of food to the table?
It's not his fault he's not an acre of good, Iowa farmland.

[DreadMagus]

No.

You're thinking of Mr "IT'S PEOPLE"

The other pork.

[rachellouise85]

he did tell us everyone turns,bit or not, so we had that everyone look at each other moment.

[DreadMagus]

I guess that would fall under the category of valuable information.

Especially since Larry was on borrowed time.

[thestalkinghead]

if Ben get's to live a few more years he is guaranteed to turn into the most awesome person to have ever existed, he is probably gonna save the world from the zombie apocalypse, then invent free energy, replicators and spaceships capable of warp speed, then he would suggest world peace and everyone would agree to it, he would then ascend to become a higher being and learn ALL knowledge

[DreadMagus]

I guess it's a shame that Kenny will most likely find out, because Ben's guilt will force him to say something, and then gets turned into a red mist in the face of Kenny's unbridled and uncontrolled rage.

[bazenji]

If Ben had presented this problem when it first arose to the group, none of this would have happened.

Which part. The part where Lilly shoots Carley in the face for talking smack to her because she's crazy? Or the part where Lilly threatens to kill Ben for cutting a deal with bandits?

Because Ben was absolutely right in being terrified of Lilly. She's a monster.

[DreadMagus]

Had he fessed up to Lee when Lee was still investigating, all would likely have been worked out.

[rachellouise85]

I thought that him thanking lee for trusting him, would have been a good opportunity to return the favour.

[thestalkinghead]

Which part. The part where Lilly shoots Carley in the face for talking smack to her because she's crazy? Or the part where Lilly threatens to kill Ben for cutting a deal with bandits?

Because Ben was absolutely right in being terrified of Lilly. She's a monster.

yeah, she was going to kill him and she didn't even know why he had done it, so even if he did tell her once he realised he had been conned into a bad situation, the best he could expect from lilly would be exile from the group or death as it would be otherwise known as for ben

[Xarne]

Which part. The part where Lilly shoots Carley in the face for talking smack to her because she's crazy? Or the part where Lilly threatens to kill Ben for cutting a deal with bandits?

Because Ben was absolutely right in being terrified of Lilly. She's a monster.

"Guys, the bandits are trying to extort supplies from us. And they might have my friend, Im not sure but thats what they say"
This part. At the start of Ep 3. Dont tell me he's too scared to open his mouth...to anyone. If you're too scared to communicate, then leave the group.
We are not a babysitting service, we are a group of people relying on each other to make it through this ZA. Ben is not reliable at all, he has (or maybe you all picture him as having) this illusion he is some outsider, yet he is fed and sheltered and keep safe by these people he just betrayed and got killed.

[DreadMagus]

Ben's a stereotype.

The idiot that gets everyone killed.

[RafaelBrasileiro]

Ben is stupid, cowardly, weak and selfish!

[YamiRaziel]

Which part. The part where Lilly shoots Carley in the face for talking smack to her because she's crazy? Or the part where Lilly threatens to kill Ben for cutting a deal with bandits?

Because Ben was absolutely right in being terrified of Lilly. She's a monster.

She's not a monster and she wouldn't have killed him. They would've banished him from the group. That's it!

Carley died because she started talking back in the worst possible moment. Had she said it wasn't her and that it must have been Ben, he would crack and admit it was him.
Defending the guy who almost got the entire group killed isn't something to be proud of. She was obstructing the law! (Lee) :p

[Xarne]

She's not a monster and she wouldn't have killed him. They would've banished him from the group. That's it!

Carley died because she started talking back in the worst possible moment. Had she said it wasn't her and that it must have been Ben, he would crack and admit it was him.
Defending the guy who almost got the entire group killed isn't something to be proud of. She was obstructing the law! (Lee) :p

As much as I like Lily; somebody was definitely dying that night :)
Im sure she was seeing Red the minute they had to leave the motel and in the way they had to do it.

[Cyreen]

She's not a monster and she wouldn't have killed him.

Evidently you haven't played the Dougie version?

[DreadMagus]

Why would the smartest in the group take a bullet for the dumbest?

Does this mean that maybe they're reversed?

Maybe Doug is an idiot and Ben is in fact a mastermind?

[Viser]

No, it just means Doug is the nicest guy ever.

[Xarne]

Why would the smartest in the group take a bullet for the dumbest?

Does this mean that maybe they're reversed?

Maybe Doug is an idiot and Ben is in fact a mastermind?

I think Doug just tripped into the bullet; he wasnt the most agile in the group nor very lucky.

[DreadMagus]

Damn the bad luck. :(

[Milosuperspesh]

you can argue that carley see's the best in everyone she did protect lee in ep1, a lot bigger than stealing,

but having a weak link is how these things go, the weak will always seek out the strong for protection and in doing so are unaware of the consequences of their actions..

ben being naive/stupid/retarded into believing 'bandits' any smart person would ask for proof life and evidence before risking others but no a scared kid is always selfish and stupid..

imo these types should be dealt with no hand holding or sympathy they should be punished true a bullet to the head is extreme and the end of the matter.

imo it's like all these k stew and rpatz should get back together groups, one side cheated with the stupid notion they wouldn't be caught, they allowed them selves to be 'convinced it was worth the risk' it's pathetic, retarded logic that kills..

so to sum up ben (who happens to be the spitting image of an old schoolmate who was pretty much a combo of kenny and larry) should be punished..i think some close calls with a few walkers will do the job nicely..

[thestalkinghead]

you can argue that carley see's the best in everyone she did protect lee in ep1, a lot bigger than stealing,

but having a weak link is how these things go, the weak will always seek out the strong for protection and in doing so are unaware of the consequences of their actions..

ben being naive/stupid/retarded into believing 'bandits' any smart person would ask for proof life and evidence before risking others but no a scared kid is always selfish and stupid..

imo these types should be dealt with no hand holding or sympathy they should be punished true a bullet to the head is extreme and the end of the matter.

imo it's like all these k stew and rpatz should get back together groups, one side cheated with the stupid notion they wouldn't be caught, they allowed them selves to be 'convinced it was worth the risk' it's pathetic, retarded logic that kills..

so to sum up ben (who happens to be the spitting image of an old schoolmate who was pretty much a combo of kenny and larry) should be punished..i think some close calls with a few walkers will do the job nicely..

:eek: do i know you? :p

[Rock114]

If you saved Doug, Lilly shoves the gun in Ben's face on a hunch. So yeah, she would have killed him, and TRIED, but Doug saved him. Poor Doug, he was a true bro. And I wouldn't say that Lilly is a monster, she just lost it and overreacted. Heck, she was even sorry if she kills Doug: "It wasn't supposed to be him.", and she truly seems to think that Carley did it: "It was her, she couldn't be trusted." Plus, she seemed to be near tears to me, which is why I almost let her stay. She just seemed so sure of herself (if it was Carley that died).

[lackingsaint]

Jesus, what the hell is wrong with you people? Wanting to kill Ben? He was a scared teenager who fucked up, are you all honestly telling me that at 16 or 17, none of you would freak out and make horrible decisions in a zombie-goddamn-apocalypse? He wanted to keep his group safe, he wanted to confirm the safety of his friends, absolutely nothing Ben has ever done was done because of an unkind or selfish thought. If "he messed up, let's throw him off the train" is a valid reasoning for any of you guys, I sure would hate to be a part of your group!

[DreadMagus]

If you got people in my group killed, yeah, you would hate being a part of it.

[Cyreen]

Jesus, what the hell is wrong with you people? Wanting to kill Ben?

I do find it interesting that the penalty for murder is banishment, while stealing and lying seem warrant the death penalty.

[DreadMagus]

Because a murderer can still perform a service, they're more likely to kill zombies during their exile. Those are zombies you don't have to deal with.

A Thief on the other hand, is sneaky - so they avoid stuff, and are thus of no value.

True story.

[lackingsaint]

If you got people in my group killed, yeah, you would hate being a part of it.

An odd defense to use, considering Ben is one of the few people who hasn't directly killed anyone else in the group (considering Lily and Kenny). I could just as well say Carley should have died as punishment for the death of Doug, because we saved her and she had that gun!

[DreadMagus]

No.

That's just... lulzworthy.

You could only save one or the other and you didn't create the situation.

Ben's actions on the other hand, no one needed "saving" before he got the ball rolling and he created it.

[Sisterofshane]

No.

That's just... lulzworthy.

You could only save one or the other and you didn't create the situation.

Ben's actions on the other hand, no one needed "saving" before he got the ball rolling and he created it.

Why don't we blame Lee for Mark's death, then? It is Lee who suggests that they can "check the perimeter" by themselves, which is what leads to eventual chopping off and eating of Mark's legs.

For that matter, let's blame Glenn for the everyone's death so far. He was the one that led us to the Motor Inn where everyone (save for Shaun and Carley/Doug) died. If we had never gone to motor inn, maybe everyone would still be alive.

Here's what I think would have happened had Ben not believed the bandits when they claimed they had his friend...They would have kept attacking the motor inn. They would have been unrelenting. We would have been forced to leave much sooner. We could have possibly saved more lives, but then again, we could have possibly lost more people in continuing Bandit attacks. Lilly would have still been on the brink of losing it - maybe we could have "stepped on eggshells" until Lilly could have a chance to heal. Or maybe she would have gone crazy and shot somebody at the drop of the hat. Pretty sure it would have been the latter, because she had a habit of becoming MORE hostile when things didn't go her way.

There would have been much more conflict down the line. The group would have still been fractured (losing people has a way to unite the survivors). Every member still would have been self-serving. I doubt Lilly would take very kindly to Chuck, Christa or Omid joining the group (based on her character when we first meet her, and then when Ben joins the group, she is inherently distrustful of newcomers).

So yes, Ben made a stupid decision. I still think that things wold have not necessarily been better had he NOT made the deal with the bandits. Hopefully we've ALL learned what happens when we keep secrets from one another, and how dangerous it can be. I don't believe that Ben is responsible for anyone's death. And now, we have the added benefit of him having to try harder to redeem himself.

Besides, I think Chuck teaches us a very valuable lesson - whatever we were, right now, WE ARE ALIVE. We shouldn't discriminate against each other like the bandits. Ben is, at his core, a good person. I don't think we can afford to discount him based on one bad decision.

[Cyreen]

Ben is, at his core, a good person. I don't think we can afford to discount him based on one bad decision.

Agreed. I also think that had he not made a deal with the bandits, he would have been the first casualty.

[NessaT]

Because a murderer can still perform a service, they're more likely to kill zombies during their exile. Those are zombies you don't have to deal with.

A Thief on the other hand, is sneaky - so they avoid stuff, and are thus of no value.

True story.

I agree on this point. Lee is living proof that a convicted killer is capable of caring for a child and helping people out. Shit happened for him. He lost control and he killed someone.

Stealing meds is another matter altogether. It's a calculated move. It didn't matter that Ben had good intensions - the fact was, he stole from the group when he should have consulted them about the dealings with the bandit.

I'm not saying that Ben is an evil person that deserved to be killed, but anyone who puts thought into making decisions that are detrimental to the team is of no value.

[DreadMagus]

Why don't we blame Lee for Mark's death, then? It is Lee who suggests that they can "check the perimeter" by themselves, which is what leads to eventual chopping off and eating of Mark's legs.



Wow, I'm utterly amazed at how many ways and times you can split that hair. :D

[Milosuperspesh]

Wow, I'm utterly amazed at how many ways and times you can split that hair. :D

dread you have no idea ;)

[Luigi01080]

to me hes like christa and omid, i dont care if he lives or dies, chuck is ok and has smarts on surviving, clementine has our back, kenny is now just depressive after his wife and kid get killed and gonna die foolishly.

[Sisterofshane]

Wow, I'm utterly amazed at how many ways and times you can split that hair. :D

Exactly the point I was trying to make - trying to pin the deaths of Katjaa, Duck, and Carley/Doug on Ben is just splitting hairs.

Let's just leave bad decisions where they should lie - in the past. He didn't want to hurt anyone.

[DreadMagus]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, after all.

And I don't see how Ben's decision is splitting hairs.

And around and around we go......

Edit: Ok, maybe I'm getting the terms wrong... but it seems he's guilty of Manslaughter instead of Murder then.

[Rock114]

Manslauter makes him sound like some demented butcher who cuts up people and stores them in their...wait a second. That sounds familiar.

[thestalkinghead]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, after all.

And I don't see how Ben's decision is splitting hairs.

And around and around we go......

Edit: Ok, maybe I'm getting the terms wrong... but it seems he's guilty of Manslaughter instead of Murder then.

that's crazy all Ben is guilty of is not wanting to die and having nobody to turn to for help

[DreadMagus]

And stealing medicine... people keep forgetting that.

...and possibly letting the bandits in.

[thestalkinghead]

And stealing medicine... people keep forgetting that.

...and possibly letting the bandits in.

that was included in the "not wanting to die and having nobody to turn to for help" part :p

[Milosuperspesh]

that's crazy all Ben is guilty of is not wanting to die and having nobody to turn to for help

if anything ben is guilty of being a complete witless wonder...

people like him get people killed, oh wait..

[DreadMagus]

Lol