So... why do you like Carley?

[Motordead]

Why is everyone so in love with Carley? Yeah her getting shot was bad, but honestly I was more mad about Doug getting shot.

If you are a Carley fan why do you like her character so much? For the fact she was a possible romance? Or that she was uber cute trying to put in batteries?

[Luigi01080]

I also picked doug first but in my second play through i saved carley and realized that with her saved, i could tell the group my past and everyone was more accepting and happy that i was honest with them, unlike when lily tells out secret and everyone is upset with us.

[ItsMeArmani]

She was a good shot and seemed pretty trustworthy. Her legs were nice.....

[Zeruis]

She trusted you when times were bleak. She thought Lee would be great as a leader. Carley was also a sharpshooter. Lastly, there was romance between her and Lee.

[Sir Fruitcakes]

She seemed trustworthy, I kind of value that, if that scene where she explains she knows who you are and tells you she wont tell people didn't happen I would have likely chose Doug.

[DreadMagus]

Great shot, had my back and I felt I could trust her.

Valuable traits in a ZA ally.

[KMatt]

She was a good shot, saved me on several occasions and generally backed me up in any situation.

BUT...

She throught arguing and insulting a mentally unstable woman with a gun was a good idea. Not the brightest move sweetheart.

[Milosuperspesh]

erm cos carley is awesome

like my carley page (the link is in my sig :D)

[hamzie]

Nice genetics for procreation

[RafaelBrasileiro]

she trusted me, I trusted her.
I saved her once, she saved me several times.
she was the best shooter of the group.
she cared about Lee, and others too.
I already liked her before the 'maybe romance'.For me she was the best of the group.

[Natalie1213]

Carley has become my favorite character ever. I love her for many reasons.
First of all, she has an attitude. She's sassy and doesn't take anybody's crap, and can give an attitude, yet she never comes off as a bitch (at least to me). I think it's really hard for a character to have an attitude to them and not be considered by the majority as a bitch, she's considered the opposite, and I think Telltale did wonderfully with that. I really love that in a character.
She's a great person. She's also like Clementine in the sense that she's kind of a ray of hope in the bleakness of the world right now. She believes in saving humans and saving as many people as possible, and does her best to save everyone just like she did with Lee. She thinks of others and is very kind and generous. She didn't judge Lee, knowing only the black and white of his past, and searched for the grey area. She sees the good in people. Even if Lilly is a bitch, she herself tells you in ep 3 at the Motor Inn that she's mainly just worried about her.
She's intelligent. Yes, she doesn't know how to put in batteries in a radio (which I find charming and hilarious) I think it's best to keep her humble that way, as like any other person she has flaws, too. She's a great shot and has a lot of skill, and gives the best advice that Lee probably has ever gotten and will ever get in his life. It's hard for people to give great advice, especially in this situation, but she always keeps herself strong. Seeing death all over, she doesn't falter and focuses on the positive side. She even goes as far as saying and knowing that she can handle herself despite all of the things that go on, and she does.
I saved her for all of these reasons, plus that she and Lee were bound to have a romance imo, which I am in love with their relationship (or well, what it was). I hope we get references to her in ep 4 and 5, as well as Doug for Doug fans! I also find her very attractive but that doesn't really seal the deal for a character for me.
I think she was greatly developed and I wish my favorite character ever would've stayed a bit longer.

Wow, this was long. But yeah, these are some of the reasons coming from a super huge Carley fan. I realized that I loved these qualities from episode 1. I don't dislike Doug, either, which I think some people have an issue with just simply liking both and not having to bash one or the other.

[CTCCoco]

Man... she / doug and Lilly were the unique cool characters xD Now the group is fucked up for me, those new characters are ugly and I wanna kill Ben as soon as possible. Only Clementine is good now xD

[Rock114]

Gonna be honest, I thought that she and Lee could be together, but not "together" as in sex. More like a family. Lee lost his wife and never had kids, so now he would have Carley and Clem. Clem lost both of her parents, but now she would have Lee and Carley. Carley...well, we don't know anything about her family but they're probably dead if she has any. They could at least go on together instead of grieving alone for the people they lost before.

[LadyJ]

I wasn't exactly a Carley 'fan' but I saved her on my first playthrough instead of Doug. I appreciated her gun. She also seemed to be the most trustworthy member of the group which would have been great in the future (ostensibly). I didn't go crazy when she got killed but she was a valuable member of the team.

[sirjohn45]

Honestly like most here she trusted Lee and was hope... TT should of given us a chance to save her. I left the other girl on the road after she shot her. Teach her a lesson to shoot Carley.

[Sir Fruitcakes]

People are upset about Carley because the majority chose her, so it is only fitting that the majority would complain about carley rather than doug, because alot of people havent seen the way doug dies, and they both stood up to Lilly and tried to defend doug, doug just did it more heroicly, but they Both could have saved Ben.

[Caroug]

Her legs were nice.....

Lol

[ZombieGoBoom]

With everything said above and plus, Carley was my Lee's moral compass. Her strong sense of right and wrong will be missed because I trusted her that much. :(

[Gman5852]

With everything said above and plus, Carley was my Lee's moral compass. Her strong sense of right and wrong will be missed because I trusted her that much. :(

"Tell people you are a murderer, that sounds like a great idea!" Some moral compass she was.

[RafaelBrasileiro]

but it was the right thing to do:)!
and also so I didn´t kill Andy because of her.

[Gman5852]

but it was the right thing to do:)!

"Right thing to do" and "Walking Dead" don't mix. Sorry to tell you that.

[zgamer]

To summarize:
- She is considerate of the group as a whole. She never tried to take sides in the power struggle (at least the sides who just argued over their problems)
- She helped immensely with trying to save Irene, she did her best to help hold off the walkers at the drug store while the others escaped, she distracted Andy St. John and she helped deal with the bandits
- She is a good shot
- She had proven to be trustworthy from the beginning unlike some of the group
- She is the good kind of stubborn. She knows what is right and is willing to stand for it even if it kills her
- She is the one who urges Lee to let people know of his past for very good reasons, as well as try to support Lee in trying to settle the power struggle
- She is a strong female character who doesn't need to be a cold killer, scantily clad or a male fantasy object. Heck?
- She cares for Clementine's safety and encourages Lee to be a good guardian
- She is pretty (my one shallow reason), but a very natural and not oversexed pretty

I say those are good enough reasons to like her

[zgamer]

"Right thing to do" and "Walking Dead" don't mix. Sorry to tell you that.

Actually it does. It doesn't mix in just one way, but a central moral question of all mediums for TWD is "What is the right thing to do?" Some people differ in interpreting it, but there are plenty of characters who argue for the morally acceptable things by society's standards. In the game, so far Kenny is so far the only really vocal proponent of the controversial decisions.

[RafaelBrasileiro]

"Right thing to do" and "Walking Dead" don't mix. Sorry to tell you that.

I do SOME of my choices according to what i think 'right', some people also, so I guess sometimes TWD and 'right thing' mix.

[8Bit_System]

"Right thing to do" and "Walking Dead" don't mix. Sorry to tell you that.
I do SOME of my choices according to what i think 'right', some people also, so I guess sometimes TWD and 'right thing' mix.
The right thing to do doesn't work in real life either.

Of course there are moments where it is obvious, let's say help an injured after a car accident just to have a random example. Very often these choices aren't that obvious in our lives.

My boss once truthfully said in a meeting:

"it's often not important what choice you make, it is important you make a choice, be it right or wrong, and work from there. Anything else will be a standstill, and that is always the wrong choice."

[zgamer]

The right thing to do doesn't work in real life either.

Of course there are moments where it is obvious, let's say help an injured after a car accident just to have a random example. Very often these choices aren't that obvious in our lives.

My boss once truthfully said in a meeting:

"it's often not important what choice you make, it is important you make a choice, be it right or wrong, and work from there. Anything else will be a standstill, and that is always the wrong choice."

Well it might be a bad choice if a rash decision led to the collapse of your boss's entire company :) So you might need to put a little thought into what is the right or best decision before blindly looking behind door number one.

Though admittedly results might happen in spite of choices. You try everything to keep everyone alive and yet Carley still dies. In that case, it's just how you feel on your choice and your motivation for it rather than if your choice appeared right or wrong.

[Jokieman]

Carly was trustworthy. She was a natural "attraction" for Lee considering how his marriage ended up. And she was mostly smart. She broke character a bit actually when she antagonized Lily, but she really had no choice. Lily was looking to kill someone, and Carly saw that. However, it doesn't make much sense that Lily went after Carly and not Kenny. seemingly just because he was driving and not at hand. :/

[8Bit_System]

Well it might be a bad choice if a rash decision led to the collapse of your boss's entire company :) So you might need to put a little thought into what is the right or best decision before blindly looking behind door number one.

Though admittedly results might happen in spite of choices. You try everything to keep everyone alive and yet Carley still dies. In that case, it's just how you feel on your choice and your motivation for it rather than if your choice appeared right or wrong.No one was talking about the company in that case. It was a subtopic and I think he made a very good point.

Do you punish your child because it skipped school or not? You might not know the real cause (inspite of talking to her/him), but you will need to make a choice. Be it right, or wrong. Now that you've made a choice go from there. There is nothing wrong in admitting a mistake later.

And yes, sometimes there are situations in life where choices seem to be there, but in reality they are not. They will always lead you to a single outcome, maybe slightly adjusted, but not changed.

Elections would be a good example... ;)

[zgamer]

No one was talking about the company in that case. It was a subtopic and I think he made a very good point.

Do you punish your child because it skipped school or not? You might not know the real cause (inspite of talking to her/him), but you will need to make a choice. Be it right, or wrong. Now that you've made a choice go from there. There is nothing wrong in admitting a mistake later.

And yes, sometimes there are situations in life where choices seem to be there, but in reality they are not. They will always lead you to a single outcome, maybe slightly adjusted, but not changed.

Elections would be a good example... ;)

Oh I know. I was just making a joke :)

And totally agree. If you made a mistake, you just have to deal with it. It is better to make the right decision, but it is not always clear when you are rushing. That's why it is so important to keep a clear head when in those situations. Even if your decision is dire and urgent, coming in with a clear head will make things just a bit easier.

[8Bit_System]

You git. :D

[SpikeJack1]

I do actually feel more upset about Carley's death for the sheer, shocking suddeness of it. I liked her for her kinda 'indepenent, tough hot reporter', and felt even stronger about her when she softened up for Urban Lee and gave me some good, mother-hen-like, advice.
Sexy voice, sexy job, sexy posture, pretty face, good figure and loveable personality--now correct me if I'm wrong, but how the hell could I NOT fancy a girl like that?!

Oh, and btw I felt Doug's death fitted a lot better and respected his character a lot more.(although there was hardly enough room already. Great guy) But my Curvacious 'Car' was stupidly straight-up murdered because she pissed Lt.Lilly off.
Wrong move.

[Gman5852]

- She is considerate of the group as a whole. She never tried to take sides in the power struggle (at least the sides who just argued over their problems)

Which is why she died by taking an argument too far and calling Lilly a "dumb bitch"

- She helped immensely with trying to save Irene, she did her best to help hold off the walkers at the drug store while the others escaped,

And thanks to her brilliant work, either she or doug died.

she distracted Andy St. John

Doug did too and he didn't waste ammo.

and she helped deal with the bandits

Doug did too and he didn't waste as much ammo.

- She is a good shot

Guns attract more of them, melee weapons are what you need.

- She had proven to be trustworthy from the beginning unlike some of the group

"HEY LEE! I TOTALLY KNOW YOU ARE A MURDERER! Oh whoops, did I say that out loud in front of an 8 year old. I totally won't do that again" *everyone instantly trusts her.


- She is the good kind of stubborn. She knows what is right and is willing to stand for it even if it kills her

Calling Lilly a "dumb bitch" was totally the right thing to do. Now what Doug did, sacrificing his life to save Ben's, that was immoral. :rolleyes:

- She is the one who urges Lee to let people know of his past for very good reasons, as well as try to support Lee in trying to settle the power struggle

"Tell people you are a murderor" is never a bright idea.

- She is a strong female character who doesn't need to be a cold killer, scantily clad or a male fantasy object. Heck?

Or Dumb as a bag of hammers... wait she has that trait nvmd.

- She cares for Clementine's safety and encourages Lee to be a good guardian

So does "Salt Lick on forehead" Kenny and "Got a Salt Lick thrown on forehead" Larry.

I do SOME of my choices according to what i think 'right', some people also, so I guess sometimes TWD and 'right thing' mix.

But that was YOUR interpretation of "right thing" my interpretation is completely different given the circumstances. That is why TWD and "right thing" don't mix, there is NO "right thing" to do in a world like this.

[zgamer]

Glad your a Doug fanboy and all Gman but just calling Carley dumb repeatedly doesn't defend your point. Some of those things are actually not dumb

If you had something that people could use as fodder against you, it's absolutely the smart thing to do as long as it is tactful. What better way to deflate a trump car than to turn it on its head and make it no big deal? So explain calmly to people one by one you were sent to jail or have lilly blab through her filter to the group you're a murderer? I'll take option A please.

So she said it in front of Clem? Clem doesn't know the full story and clearly does not understand it until you decide if you want to explain it to her. She expresses understanding and more or less acceptance when you do tell her as well. And Carley kept to her word to not tell anybody if you ask her to. That counts as being trustworthy and not dumb.

And calling somebody out for being irrational is not stupid either. Sometimes you need to be harsh to make people calm down. Plus she was also trying to stand up for Ben so she had altruistic reasons to doing what she did. Lilly was not going to be dissuaded either way so in a way Carley did sacrifice herself by directing Lilly's anger to her.

I can say things I like about Doug at least even if I personally find him less interesting as a character. He is clearly a very genuine guy, he's funny, he is smart, he is resourceful, he cares about group safety, he is sympathetic for his grief over Carley (see, even he thinks she is awesome :p) and he is trustworthy. It doesn't make him better or worse than Carley, but just a different character. My main complaint is that he is not a particularly charismatic or proactive character. Not because he is lazy or weaker, but he is just a follower. It makes him fall into the background a bit more against the other stronger personalities like Lee, Carley, Lilly, Kenny, Larry and Clementine.

Keep in mind too that this is a thread inviting Carley defenders to voice why they like her. You can disagree, but just calling everyone stupid who likes her is counter productive. At least I can meet people at a middle ground and say what I like about every character since I think it is a strong ensemble overall save for Christa and Omid (at least for the moment unless they get more development).

[Gman5852]

Glad your a Doug fanboy and all Gman but just calling Carley dumb repeatedly doesn't defend your point. Some of those things are actually not dumb.

Such as? Every thing she has ever really done has either been a waste or something Doug did better. Not really a fanboy, its geniune fact. Yes she saves you at the St Johns, but Doug does just as well in a hilarious way. Secondly, I wouldn't call myself a "Doug fanboy". I'm certainly not taking his death over the deep end like the Carley fanboys.

If you had something that people could use as fodder against you, it's absolutely the smart thing to do as long as it is tactful. What better way to deflate a trump car than to turn it on its head and make it no big deal? So explain calmly to people one by one you were sent to jail or have lilly blab through her filter to the group you're a murderer? I'll take option A please.

Sure, that seems great in theory, but you are telling people that you are a murderer! Telling it yourself doesn't change the deed, if a person truly trusts/distrusts you, it won't matter who tells them they are a murderer, they already don't care either way.

So she said it in front of Clem? Clem doesn't know the full story and clearly does not understand it until you decide if you want to explain it to her. She expresses understanding and more or less acceptance when you do tell her as well. And Carley kept to her word to not tell anybody if you ask her to. That counts as being trustworthy and not dumb.

In episode 3, Clem stated to me that she knew I was lieing and that I was a murderer, that is Carley's fault to the fullest. Then questioned why I would do that, clearly meaning she doesn't accept it. Sure Carley didn't tell someone, but neither did Larry. I don't see him earning any medals for that either.

And calling somebody out for being irrational is not stupid either. Sometimes you need to be harsh to make people calm down.

Yes, but telling the person that wants you dead and has already snapped a "dumb bitch" and then thinking that won't make her shoot her was dumb.

Plus she was also trying to stand up for Ben so she had altruistic reasons to doing what she did. Lilly was not going to be dissuaded either way so in a way Carley did sacrifice herself by directing Lilly's anger to her.

That's one way to look at it I guess.

he is sympathetic for his grief over Carley (see, even he thinks she is awesome :p)

Carley says the same things about Doug and even says she only lived because of him before you guys met.

but just calling everyone stupid who likes her is counter productive.

I've never said that. I say Carley is stupid, because she is, but not that people are stupid for choosing her, she is good with a gun, and was a potential love interest... what's this? I can say good things too? What a shock!

At least I can meet people at a middle ground and say what I like about every character since I think it is a strong ensemble overall

I can too, I'm just sick and tired of all the Carley fanboys out there, when she really didn't do all the things people said she did. She was nice yes, she was certainly better to Clem than Doug, and she could've been a good love interest, but holy crap she does not deserve the giant fanbase she got.

Also, it may be "why you like Carley", but that is no discussion unless you get people from the other side to talk to ;)

[RafaelBrasileiro]

which is why she died by taking an argument too far and calling lilly a "dumb bitch"

1)and thanks to her brilliant work, either she or doug died.

2)doug did too and he didn't waste ammo.

3)doug did too and he didn't waste as much ammo.

4)guns attract more of them, melee weapons are what you need.

5)"hey lee! I totally know you are a murderer! Oh whoops, did i say that out loud in front of an 8 year old. I totally won't do that again" *everyone instantly trusts her.

6)calling lilly a "dumb bitch" was totally the right thing to do. Now what doug did, sacrificing his life to save ben's, that was immoral. :rolleyes:

7)"tell people you are a murderor" is never a bright idea.


1)l can say the same for Doug,how many zombies he kill?
2)l didn´t save Doug,l don´t know what he do
3)same as above
4)ok, I'll kill bandits with a hammer while they use guns, or will try to kill 5 zombies with a bat.
5)she saw Clem? if so, I see no problem with that.
6)yes Carley's fault for Lilly not like to hear the truth and react that way.
7)I think my team deserves to know the truth, when I told them that some spend more trust in me.
when you do not tell anyone and Lilly regard for others on the road, what happens?


but that was your interpretation of "right thing" my interpretation is completely different given the circumstances. That is why twd and "right thing" don't mix, there is no "right thing" to do in a world like this.

how you make a moral choice?
I do or what i think 'right' (telling the truth for the group) or emotion (Ben threatening).'m not talking about the results but as you make the choice.

'your interpretation of "right thing" my interpretation is completely different given the circumstances'. OK

[zgamer]

Such as? Every thing she has ever really done has either been a waste or something Doug did better. Not really a fanboy, its geniune fact. Yes she saves you at the St Johns, but Doug does just as well in a hilarious way. Secondly, I wouldn't call myself a "Doug fanboy". I'm certainly not taking his death over the deep end like the Carley fanboys.



Sure, that seems great in theory, but you are telling people that you are a murderer! Telling it yourself doesn't change the deed, if a person truly trusts/distrusts you, it won't matter who tells them they are a murderer, they already don't care either way.



In episode 3, Clem stated to me that she knew I was lieing and that I was a murderer, that is Carley's fault to the fullest. Then questioned why I would do that, clearly meaning she doesn't accept it. Sure Carley didn't tell someone, but neither did Larry. I don't see him earning any medals for that either.



Yes, but telling the person that wants you dead and has already snapped a "dumb bitch" and then thinking that won't make her shoot her was dumb.



That's one way to look at it I guess.



Carley says the same things about Doug and even says she only lived because of him before you guys met.



I've never said that. I say Carley is stupid, because she is, but not that people are stupid for choosing her, she is good with a gun, and was a potential love interest... what's this? I can say good things too? What a shock!



I can too, I'm just sick and tired of all the Carley fanboys out there, when she really didn't do all the things people said she did. She was nice yes, she was certainly better to Clem than Doug, and she could've been a good love interest, but holy crap she does not deserve the giant fanbase she got.

Also, it may be "why you like Carley", but that is no discussion unless you get people from the other side to talk to ;)

Actually, if Carley is alive and you take her advice and tell Clem in Episode 3, Clem tells you she is happy you finally told her. She only calls you out for lying if you don't tell her or if Carley is dead in Episode 1.

And what, no one has ever forgiven someone of murder in history? It's one thing to be distrusting but another when you just say screw everyone else because of a mistake (which it is implied his murder is). Katjaa doesn't mind, Lilly forgives you if you saved Larry, Kenny eventually just puts in the back of his mind from his loss along with if you are on good terms and only Ben is the suspicious one.

No one expected Lilly to break like that. Kenny killed her dad and she didn't snap. They argued with harder insults at the motor inn and she didn't snap. It was a surprise.

And you just imply everything she did was dumb. Well did you see the rage at Kenny for his "dumb actions" in episode 2? I never saw either of them as dumb. Kenny is incredibly impulsive and Carley was accidentally made to look dumb to do a puzzle (I read it as being stressed and not thinking straight, which does happen). I wouldn't label them as dumb though. That would be like saying Lee is the biggest klutz ever because of how many times he fell over in episode 1 (I'd say somewhere around a dozen!). He had a bad leg!

And I don't like Doug fanboys telling us how awesome Doug is when really he didn't do anything that impressive. He made a bell security system, flashed a laser pen in Andy's eyes and was pretty much passive when Lilly threatened to kill Ben until the very end. He's still a nice guy, but kind of a backseat person compared to Carley.

And there's nothing wrong with giant fan bases for side characters. Have you been on the Bioware forums? If you think Carley fanboys are crazy, wait until you see the huge fan love for just about every side character in the Mass Effect series. Even Conrad Verner has tons of fans and he's a creepy psycho fanboy NPC who stalks Shepard! Hardly someone who deserves attention, but people found him charming.

And nothing wrong with people reacting to a character action/loss. Remember all the rage against Kenny in episode 2? It just means people care, which means Telltale is making a great story. If we didn't care, we wouldn't keep playing or react to anything. I'm not in "bring Carley back" camp at all (dead is dead), but there is nothing wrong with liking a character.

[Kiel555]

Why is everyone so in love with Carley? Yeah her getting shot was bad, but honestly I was more mad about Doug getting shot.

If you are a Carley fan why do you like her character so much? For the fact she was a possible romance? Or that she was uber cute trying to put in batteries?

Besides the possible romance and being uber cute, I would say I liked Carley because of her friendship. I liked that I could ask her for advice or that she would offer advice and she was actually trying her best to help you make the right decisions. I appreciated her support and really don't know what I did to deserve it. She saw something in Lee that I did not.

I also came to rely on Carley. When I escaped from the meat locker and was alone in the rain trying to figure out what to do next I can say that morale got a boost when Carley showed up with her Glock! I just knew that whatever happened next Carley was there and she's not going to let me die. Turned out both Lilly and Carley helped when Lee was fighting Andy.

Of all the characters Lee has met thus far, Lilly and Carley were his best friends (I'm only talking about my game here). I know darker days are ahead of us in e4 and e5 but if TTG breaks with TWD tradition and there is a happy ending then when Clem's mother thanks Lee for bringing Clem safely to her, I hope there is a dialogue option where Lee can turn down the praise and say "Clem is here with you today thanks to some really good friends we met along the way".

[Cyreen]

She saw something in Lee that I did not.

That's an odd thing to say considering his actions are a reflection of the player.

[Juicius Maximus]

Sexy voice...sexy posture

Raspy and hunchy, just how I like 'em!

[Natalie1213]

You know what I'm sick of? People comparing Doug and Carley and bashing Carley in the process. Just love your character for god's sake, you don't need to bash the other just because they were preferred by the majority. A character doesn't "deserve" a fanbase or not. They earn it by people's individual opinions on the character, and people happened to really love Carley for their own reasons, and it's not for anyone to shun them down. Just like you have your reasons for loving Doug, Carley fans have reasons for loving Carley. That's that.

[Cyreen]

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_love_doug_heart_custom_personalized_mug-p168066085982075050enw9p_400.jpg

[Master of Aeons]

http://i.imgur.com/haaSY.jpg

[ZombieGoBoom]

"Tell people you are a murderer, that sounds like a great idea!" Some moral compass she was.

She told you to tell the people who you trust the most. She didn't say to tell the entire world. :rolleyes:

[8Bit_System]

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_love_doug_heart_custom_personalized_mug-p168066085982075050enw9p_400.jpg

You really shouldn't like one over the other... they were a team really and had such big plans in case everything went back to normal. :D

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/omen3608/Walking%20Dead/dougcarleyjam.jpg

[Cyreen]

Carley's fickle.

[8Bit_System]

Carley's fickle.
You're just jealous 'cause your cake can't top her jam. :p

[Cyreen]

Yep. I'm jealous of a dead chick.

[zgamer]

You know what I'm sick of? People comparing Doug and Carley and bashing Carley in the process. Just love your character for god's sake, you don't need to bash the other just because they were preferred by the majority. A character doesn't "deserve" a fanbase or not. They earn it by people's individual opinions on the character, and people happened to really love Carley for their own reasons, and it's not for anyone to shun them down. Just like you have your reasons for loving Doug, Carley fans have reasons for loving Carley. That's that.

Thank you! Agreed.

[8Bit_System]

Yep. I'm jealous of a dead chick.
And dude... not fair to leave Doug out of it. They jammed it like being one person there. :D

[darknessofheart]

I didn't really see anything special about Carley. Yes, she was a trusted member of the group (though in my playthrough, Lee and Kenny are thick as thieves), but I didn't really go for the whole romance developing between them. Not because it seemed unrealistic or anything to that nature, but because I preferred more room for more interesting developments in the story aside from personnel, romanic relationships.

It seems we are getting a truly fascinating plot in the next episode with Kenny's mental health and the whole conspiracy aspect and I'm glad that Lee's first and foremost concern is still Clementine without any distractions for romance. Carley's death, along with most of episode 3, seemed to be the start of where things are truly getting to be at their worst with innocence and trust becoming swallowed by this walker invested world and where there is an even greater threat waiting for them ahead.

[FarmerJoe]

I didn't really see anything special about Carley. Yes, she was a trusted member of the group (though in my playthrough, Lee and Kenny are thick as thieves), but I didn't really go for the whole romance developing between them. Not because it seemed unrealistic or anything to that nature, but because I preferred more room for more interesting developments in the story aside from personnel, romanic relationships.

It seems we are getting a truly fascinating plot in the next episode with Kenny's mental health and I'm glad that Lee's first and foremost concern is still Clementine without any distractions for romance. Carley's death, along with most of episode 3, seemed to be the start of where things are truly getting to be at their worst with innocence and trust becoming swallowed by this walker invested world and where there is an even greater threat waiting for them ahead.

If things are about to get a lot darker,cruel,violent and disturbing for the group maybe Carley,Doug,Katjaa,Lilly and Duck will turn out to be the lucky ones...

[LadyJ]

I didn't really see anything special about Carley. Yes, she was a trusted member of the group (though in my playthrough, Lee and Kenny are thick as thieves), but I didn't really go for the whole romance developing between them. Not because it seemed unrealistic or anything to that nature, but because I preferred more room for more interesting developments in the story aside from personnel, romanic relationships.



Wholeheartedly agree. I was relieved in a way when Carley died because it spared me the whole (predictable) romance thing. I know a lot of people were into that aspect but I think especially in the context of a ZA it's overrated. I think sex will happen during that time but there's bigger priorities than romance.

[ihateepisodethree]

It wasn't the romance factor. It was with Katjaa and Carly dead there really aren't any members of the group left I can trust do the right thing should a difficult circumstance arise.

Basically now it's me and Clem against the world as far as I'm concerned. I don't trust Ben as far as Telltale will let me throw him. kenny is broken and even when his mind was right I could never fully trust him.

Lily is broken and I left her at the side of the road. The new people are unknowns. Their close relationship makes me question whether they will do the right thing should the other become threatened.

[notbored]

Wholeheartedly agree. I was relieved in a way when Carley died because it spared me the whole (predictable) romance thing. I know a lot of people were into that aspect but I think especially in the context of a ZA it's overrated. I think sex will happen during that time but there's bigger priorities than romance.

Couldn't disagree more. I think a romantic relationship between Lee and Carley could have been interesting. It wouldn't have to be happy one... But it would have added a different aspect to the ZA-scenario. Now it's back to killing off characters, then restocking the group with new characters. Like in every other ZA-scenario...

[LadyJ]

Couldn't disagree more. I think a romantic relationship between Lee and Carley could have been interesting. It wouldn't have to be happy one... But it would have added a different aspect to the ZA-scenario. Now it's back to killing off characters, then restocking the group with new characters. Like in every other ZA-scenario...

Meh, to each their own. I wouldn't have enjoyed that storyline, it bugs me that they are toying with it on the show...I'm like HEY there's more important things going on than who's shagging who....yanno, like walking dead people!!

[Natalie1213]

Couldn't disagree more. I think a romantic relationship between Lee and Carley could have been interesting. It wouldn't have to be happy one... But it would have added a different aspect to the ZA-scenario. Now it's back to killing off characters, then restocking the group with new characters. Like in every other ZA-scenario...

I agree! I think it would've been interesting, though I'm a major fan of Carley x Lee so I'm being biased. I do think that the romance shouldn't have gone all the way to the last episode though, I think it was great to kill Carley off, but I wish it would've been done in episode 4 so that their relationship would've developed more during ep 3. They definitely never had sex, it was a sort of innocent love that was mainly about trusting and relying on each other for everything and feelings starting along the way. Really, you don't need to have sex to become a couple. Love isn't just about "shagging" each other. Most ZA-scenarios mainly have sex for the most part, not a good friendship/pair of partners that turns into a nice and slightly shy relationship.
Since they developed it though, I hope they carry it on and make a few references or at least one in ep 4 and in ep 5 about Carley and/or Carley and Lee's almost relationship. It would really suck and I'd be really upset if her and Doug are just forgotten and not brought up at least a few times.

[ZombieGoBoom]

Like I said in another post, having a relationship with Carley could open all sorts of problems in a ZA world, like the dangers of leading with your heart and not with your head. Would you risk the lives of three survivors just to drop everything and rescue Carley? Would Carley appreciate that you endangered others just to save her? TT could have gotten some mileage out of that.

I also have my doubts that this is the end of Carley. I give a 50/50 chance of her returning.

Carley haters please keep reading before you all start booing… ;)

Of course she was left on the side of the road but if TT really wanted her dead and gone completely, that bullet would have impacted her forehead. Seriously, why would TT do that and Lilly was just a few feet away, how could she miss? Since she took the hit to the cheek, TT now has enough wiggle room to bring Carley back.

I have been writing the Last Survivor where Carley is rescued by another group of survivors from We’re Alive (a podcast program). However, in writing this I soon realized that even being saved by the most kindest and able people possible (best cause scenario imaginable in a ZA), Carley has to feel abandoned and left for dead by Lee and the others. ‘Did they even bother to check my pulse before driving off?’ would be her most troubling thoughts. Something like that would just eat you away on the inside and make her angry and bitter which can be made worse by the type of people she is stuck with now. Meth using woods people anyone? If Lee comes across her again, at best she’ll greet him with a slap to the face and a “You left for me dead you SOB!”. At worse, she tries to say hi to him with a bullet.

If Carley does return, she most likely won’t be the same person because of all the possible nightmarish crap that happened to her. Even if the story situation was forced (Lee doesn't check the body to be sure?), what do you do if you unknowingly abandoned someone you care about behind? How do you make it up to them? What the heck do you do if she just wants you dead? What if you finally killed Ben to get back at him for Carley's death... Whoops! :eek:

[Natalie1213]

Like I said in another post, having a relationship with Carley could open all sorts of problems in a ZA world, like the dangers of leading with your heart and not with your head. Would you risk the lives of three survivors just to drop everything and rescue Carley? Would Carley appreciate that you endangered others just to save her? TT could have gotten some mileage out of that.

This would've been very interesting.
Though I can see where people are coming from in that they don't want romance to be the main thing. I don't either as much as I'm a sucker for romances (especially tragic ones) since Lee and Clem's relationship take a bigger priority, but it would've been nice to see romance play a slightly bigger role in this. Though I think that was answered by Telltale in a way when Lee tells her that although he did like Carley, it wasn't any time for romance. But that doesn't mean it can't happen, right?
I also have my doubts about it being the end for Carley but since her and Doug's options have gone hand in hand, I don't know if they'd keep Carley alive and keep Doug dead. (since Doug's face was shown so he's surely dead, but Carley's never was) Instead of just leaving her like that, they should've checked her pulse or at least Lee saying a few words or even just looking back would really have finished such an emotional scene. That's what I didn't like, that they just left her. Not sure if it's considered a mistake by Telltale or if they intended it to just be like that. Didn't like that, though. ):

I'm fine with my favorite character ever not coming back, but I would be upset if there aren't any references to her in the end. ): Hoping Telltale puts at least one or two in there.

And I'm personally hoping for the chance to kill Ben as revenge for Carley. :p

[Wrighty]

Poor Ben, the end results of ep 4 will be
"You and 99.9% of players shot Ben in the face. :D

I guess all that Ben hate shows how popular Carely was. I agree though that a relationship with Carely would have been interesting. First choice would have been whether to have a relationship or just push her away.

[notbored]

Though I think that was answered by Telltale in a way when Lee tells her that although he did like Carley, it wasn't any time for romance.

I still don't get why people accepted this explanation so easily. What's the point of survival, if you have nothing to live for?! I think its common knowledge that when people expect to die any second, they cling to each other like crazy. I find it hard to believe that Lee and Carley lived in that motel for three months without anything happening between them.

I find the survival aspect of the game not even half as interesting as the relationships of the characters under such difficult circumstances. But then again, I'm generally not a big fan of ZA-scenarios.

[8Bit_System]

... What's the point of survival, if you have nothing to live for?!
You're saying it from the stance of a regular person, living in a world that basically offers you everything. You have most probably never tapped any of your survival instincts in your life time - most of us haven't.

I think its common knowledge that when people expect to die any second, they cling to each other like crazy. I find it hard to believe that Lee and Carley lived in that motel for three months without anything happening between them. ...
Isn't that rather Hollywood knowledge? But whatever... your movie... headcannon a romance. ;)

[Milosuperspesh]

Poor Ben, the end results of ep 4 will be
"You and 99.9% of players shot Ben in the face. :D

I guess all that Ben hate shows how popular Carely was. I agree though that a relationship with Carely would have been interesting. First choice would have been whether to have a relationship or just push her away.

same was said about duck/larry

and what happened most people tried to save larry,

and in my run of ep3 most did kill duck lol

so it's not set in stone ;)

[Cyreen]

I think its common knowledge that when people expect to die any second, they cling to each other like crazy.

If that's the case, a lot people are going to get caught with their pants down.

[notbored]

You're saying it from the stance of a regular person, living in a world that basically offers you everything. You have most probably never tapped any of your survival instincts in your life time - most of us haven't.

I would disagree that this world offers me everything, but that's a different story. I wasn't saying they should commit suicide, I just wondered why they seem to do nothing to enjoy themselves. Ok, they didn't come across bottles of Malbec yet, but at least they have each other to enjoy.

that rather Hollywood knowledge? But whatever... your movie... headcannon a romance. ;)

I think its more that you can't imagine anything other than a cheesy hollywood romance. But relationships under these circumstances are usually highly problematic.

Why do you think there is a lot of (consensual) homosexual sex between staunch heterosexual men in prison?! Because its one of the few things they can do to relieve them from their hopeless situation.

[8Bit_System]

I would disagree that this world offers me everything, but that's a different story. ...
You live in a heated house/flat, have clean running water, electricity, three meals a day and loads of clothes, I suppose - maybe a car and a spouse as well.

Our, at least the western, civilization complains because they can't afford to drive a Ferrari, or because they have to wait for a video game to be released.

I think its more that you can't imagine anything other than a cheesy hollywood romance. But relationships under these circumstances are usually highly problematic.

Why do you think there is a lot of (consensual) homosexual sex between staunch heterosexual men in prison?! Because its one of the few things they can do to relieve them from their hopeless situation.
You are talking about plain sex here, there is nothing romantic in needing to relieve yourself physically while being in prison.

[notbored]

You are talking about plain sex here, there is nothing romantic in needing to relieve yourself physically while being in prison.

I focussed on sex, because its something that has been researched and is actually, err, quantifiable. Why would you assume that prison sex has nothing to do with romance?!

[8Bit_System]

I said your example wasn't romantic. I am quite sure there are romantic relationships in prison.

[ZombieGoBoom]

I said your example wasn't romantic. I am quite sure there are romantic relationships in prison.

I don't know how we got here but...


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[zgamer]

I like Carley because she is a direct, honest and likable character...

Well, I am trying to bring the thread back on track.

[Kiel555]

That's an odd thing to say considering his actions are a reflection of the player.

Not really. I didn't say a word to Carley at the drugstore. Yet, she confronted Lee and told him all about his past and said he was an okay guy. Those are the kinds of things that I was refering to when I said she saw things in Lee that I did not.

You on the other hand have posted some odd comments. They're just odd in the sense that they really should go on a "why we like Doug" thread. I'd start the thread for you but I did not save Doug and really didn't know him though I hear he's a swell guy. When I'm done with season 2 maybe I'll play a new game and save Doug on my second playthrough :).

If you do start a Doug appreciation thread I promise not to post anything negative about Doug..just on that thread though.:D

[Rock114]

Not really. I didn't say a word to Carley at the drugstore. Yet, she confronted Lee and told him all about his past and said he was an okay guy. Those are the kinds of things that I was refering to when I said she saw things in Lee that I did not.

You on the other hand have posted some odd comments. They're just odd in the sense that they really should go on a "why we like Doug" thread. I'd start the thread for you but I did not save Doug and really didn't know him though I hear he's a swell guy. When I'm done with season 2 maybe I'll play a new game and save Doug on my second playthrough :).

If you do start a Doug appreciation thread I promise not to post anything negative about Doug..just on that thread though.:D

Can't post anything bad about Doug...the worst thing he does is eat HALF the biscuits that those CANNIBALS gave us, instead of just some like Carley did. Hell, for all we know he was eating them to make sure they weren't poisoned. He's a hero, that Doug.

[Kiel555]

Can't post anything bad about Doug...the worst thing he does is eat HALF the biscuits that those CANNIBALS gave us, instead of just some like Carley did. Hell, for all we know he was eating them to make sure they weren't poisoned. He's a hero, that Doug.

All true but I have been holding back the urge to comment on his socks with sandals so don't push me.:D

Carley also dressed nice....there back on topic.

[Rock114]

All true but I have been holding back the urge to comment on his socks with sandals so don't push me.:D

You don't have the guts! *wrong dialouge option, gets shot by cannibal woman*

[FarmerJoe]

Can't post anything bad about Doug...the worst thing he does is eat HALF the biscuits that those CANNIBALS gave us, instead of just some like Carley did. Hell, for all we know he was eating them to make sure they weren't poisoned. He's a hero, that Doug.

Damn, I forgot about that!
Fuck Doug! that selfish bastard needs to die next episode! I'll do it myself at the first opportunity, or leave him for the walkers.

Oh wait... :(

[8Bit_System]

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[Kiel555]

You know what I'm sick of? People comparing Doug and Carley and bashing Carley in the process. Just love your character for god's sake, you don't need to bash the other just because they were preferred by the majority. A character doesn't "deserve" a fanbase or not. They earn it by people's individual opinions on the character, and people happened to really love Carley for their own reasons, and it's not for anyone to shun them down. Just like you have your reasons for loving Doug, Carley fans have reasons for loving Carley. That's that.

I agree. I can understand if you wanted to throw a rant on a Lilly appreciation thread but a Carley thread? C'mon...You either like Carley or you didn't save her. What would Doug think about your comments?

Funny moment in TWD:

In my game, Carley was describing how Doug saved her when she was trapped in her news van. Something along the lines of how he just came over and saved her from walkers that were attacking the van. I kid you not, I and Lee both turned and looked at Doug and at the exact same time said "that guy?". I laughed so much I had to pause the game.:D

[Natalie1213]

I still don't get why people accepted this explanation so easily. What's the point of survival, if you have nothing to live for?! I think its common knowledge that when people expect to die any second, they cling to each other like crazy. I find it hard to believe that Lee and Carley lived in that motel for three months without anything happening between them.

I find the survival aspect of the game not even half as interesting as the relationships of the characters under such difficult circumstances. But then again, I'm generally not a big fan of ZA-scenarios.

I think romance is perfectly acceptable in a ZA, as well. And realistic. You meet a group of new people, and are with them every day for a long time, you have a really high chance of falling for someone during the time that you're alive or together as a group.

I just really hope for a Carley reference or two in ep 4 and 5. It wouldn't be good not to insert some references, especially with how popular her character was and how close her and Lee were. :( We'll just have to wait! My guess is ep 4 is coming out next week.

[WarDragon989]

At first I liked her because she seemed normal, you know, she didn't seem aggressive or anything bad, even when she knew Lee past she wasn't like "I'm gonna tell, I'm gonna tell" she was normal about it and open. The whole Irene thing made me be a bit more sympathetic to her.

In episode 2 she basically was still there for you, your moral rock so to speak, she even saved your life a few times on the farm. That sort of respect carried on into episode 3.

I guess I like her because she seemed the normal-ist out of the group and with her ability to care and be there for you she was a good friend. Also I did think she was kind of cute =X

[bakajin]

I still don't get why people accepted this explanation so easily.

Upon this I concur. I'm of the opinion that their relationship wasn't handled that well to begin with. However, the extent of his expressed concern is basically a shrug of the shoulders. The writers wanted the gamer to feel something about Carley's death, but for those who really did, their concern isn't mirrored by their avatar.

Then again, if you know the genre, you knew the moment she expressed any kind of feelings for him her days were numbered.

[Freeze]

Sucks she died , she was my favorite character. But I'd rather have her get shot then get torn apart by walkers or raped or something crazy and although the Lee/Carley relationship would've been nice it would've taken away too much from the Clem/Lee relationship.

[Cyreen]

Those are the kinds of things that I was refering to when I said she saw things in Lee that I did not.

She, at that point, had more knowledge of Lee than you as the player did, whether you talked to her or not.

You on the other hand have posted some odd comments. They're just odd in the sense that they really should go on a "why we like Doug" thread.

Yes, I often post odd comments specifically to be odd. However, if you're referring to the I-love-Doug-Mug, that a direct facetious response to:

You know what I'm sick of?...That's that.

I am neither a Doug nor a Carley fanatic, anymore than I'm a Lilly or Kenny fanatic (although Doug/Carley are certainly more likeable).

[LadyJ]

Random odd thought that this thread has evoked....does anyone else think it's sort of ummm weird that before you had to choose between Carley and Doug, they were hinting at a romance developing between the two of them? Not just that, BUT that the two characters wound up being interchangeable so in essence they were planning to have them in love with themselves???

[Zombies are Awesome!]

another Carley thread? *facepalm*

[Cyreen]

...BUT that the two characters wound up being interchangeable so in essence they were planning to have them in love with themselves???

Somewhat interchangeable, but still very opposite personalities, like two sides of a coin. That romantic inclination made some sense to me considering Doug saved Carley. I kinda felt Carley was coming off a little desperate with Lee.

another Carley thread? *facepalm*

Yeah I know! Throw in one little I-love-Doug-mug and suddenly you're "odd". :eek:

[DreadMagus]

Doug who?

Oh, that dude who got pulled out a window in episode one? =V

[Natalie1213]

Somewhat interchangeable, but still very opposite personalities, like two sides of a coin. That romantic inclination made some sense to me considering Doug saved Carley. I kinda felt Carley was coming off a little desperate with Lee.

Hmm, well Lee saved her as well, and she originally had a black and white view of him as she knew of his past but realized he was a great guy. I mean, in 3-4 months and seeing that person every day, it's pretty easy to fall for them, imo. Especially when they've both got a secret together, so there's trust, and have each other's backs a lot.
I thought it was pretty normal, and not saying that you are doing this, but it irks me so much when I go on Youtube or other places and see people calling Carley names just because she fell for Lee after she had a crush on Doug, when it's totally normal considering the circumstances imo. ):

[Cyreen]

Doug who?

Oh, that dude who got pulled out a window in episode one? =V

Yeah, that dorky guy who wore socks with his sandals that Carley thought was cute (laser pointer...:rolleyes:).

...not saying that you are doing this

No I stated my personal opinion; The Walking Dead presents speed dating, zombie style. Get'em while they're still warm! Supplies limited.

[Demopan]

When it comes time for Doug/Carley to die, here's how each of those characters handle the situation.

Carley:
-Fights with Lilly
-Escalates Lilly
-Provoked Lilly and got herself shot

Doug:
-Attempts to diffuse situation
-Protects Ben
-Tries to calm Lilly down
-Dies sacrificing himself to save someone else.

I have come to the conclusion the only reason people like Carley is because she has boobs.

[notbored]

I have come to the conclusion the only reason people like Carley is because she has boobs.

:rolleyes: Lilly also has boobs, yet I hate her.

Also, to my knowledge Doug is not directly accused of being the traitor.

[Red Panda]

I have come to the conclusion the only reason people like Carley is because she has boobs.

Her breast are pretty small. I mean, they look good on her b/c she's short, but they don't look big. Lilly has bigger breast.

But I like Carley b/c she think I should be the leader and gives me kisses.

[RafaelBrasileiro]

Lilly also had, and she's at the top of my list of Hatred!
if that were true that you speak, WHY I and some others do not like Lilly and Christa???more especially Lilly, WHY????
Carley is my favorite character of ALL because of how she is!

[ZombieGoBoom]

Her breast are pretty small. I mean, they look good on her b/c she's short, but they don't look big. Lilly has bigger breast.

But I like Carley b/c she think I should be the leader and gives me kisses.


Stop calling her small! :mad:

[Natalie1213]

Stop calling her small! :mad:

Oh my god, I got a pretty good laugh out of this. Genius :D

Carley was being accused head on by Lilly. And it's good that somebody got the guts to tell Lilly the truth. If anyone seriously thinks people like Carley "just because of her boobs", then that's rather ignorant, since you're saying the only reason to like her would be because she's a female. There WAS an undeniable gender bias in episode 1, but obviously people like Carley for a number of reasons that come up from the episodes after that you'd know if you looked at the posts in this thread. I know I don't like her just because she's a girl, and I'm a girl.
Also not correct in any way, as Lilly has boobs (and even bigger) than Carley and most people hate her, Christa has boobs and I don't like her.
Yet nobody would say these kinds of things for a male character. http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ZombieGoBoom]

Oh my god, I got a pretty good laugh out of this. Genius :D


I will defend Carley's honor and her height. ;)

As someone else pointed out, she's the only one who brought a gun to the ZA. I have a feeling that I'm going to be saying "I wish Carley was here." hundreds of times while going through the horror that is Savannah in episode 4. :(

[RafaelBrasileiro]

I have a feeling that I'm going to be saying "I wish Carley was here." hundreds of times while going through the horror that is Savannah in episode 4. :(

lol funny, yesterday when I saw the trailer of Ep4, I said exactly that.
But life still goes.

[Natalie1213]

I will defend Carley's honor and her height. ;)

As someone else pointed out, she's the only one who brought a gun to the ZA. I have a feeling that I'm going to be saying "I wish Carley was here." hundreds of times while going through the horror that is Savannah in episode 4. :(

Exactly that was going through my mind, as well. Actually, ever since after Carley died it's all that's been going through my head, ugh. ): The game feels pretty different without her, and not to mention with most of the original cast being dead/gone. Yet at the same time it doesn't. Such is The Walking Dead game. Let's all hope for references to her.

[KMatt]

Carley was being accused head on by Lilly. And it's good that somebody got the guts to tell Lilly the truth.

Is it really good to insult a clearly unhinged woman whos carrying a gun? And then to turn your back on said gun-toting-crazy-woman?

She may have rescued us in ep1 and helped out in ep2 but damn she really cocked up during that scene.

[Natalie1213]

Is it really good to insult a clearly unhinged woman whos carrying a gun? And then to turn your back on said gun-toting-crazy-woman?

She may have rescued us in ep1 and helped out in ep2 but damn she really cocked up during that scene.

It's good that someone finally told her about it, but she did make a mistake there. Not saying she didn't. But it's not much compared to Ben and Lilly. I understand though since if I was her, I would be pissed as hell too that someone is not only accusing me of doing something that I didn't do, she also brought up Carley's family and wanted Lee to go on her side. But yeah, mistake on her part.

[Red Panda]

Is it really good to insult a clearly unhinged woman whos carrying a gun? And then to turn your back on said gun-toting-crazy-woman?

She may have rescued us in ep1 and helped out in ep2 but damn she really cocked up during that scene.

To be fair, I don't think anybody saw that coming. I didn't. Did you?

As unhinged as Lilly was, murder was something else and surprised many.

[zgamer]

To be fair, I don't think anybody saw that coming. I didn't. Did you?

As unhinged as Lilly was, murder was something else and surprised many.

Agreed. That's why I do not blame Carley. There have been tense arguments already that did not end in violence, so it's not like they saw it coming.

[Natalie1213]

To be fair, I don't think anybody saw that coming. I didn't. Did you?

As unhinged as Lilly was, murder was something else and surprised many.

Exactly. Carley may have chosen a bad time to tell Lilly off, but it was completely understandable and nobody thought Lilly would resort to straight up murder. That's why I can only say Carley made a bit of a mistake, I can't blame her like some people can. What was she going to know, that what she'd say would end up resulting in her death?

[KMatt]

To be fair, I don't think anybody saw that coming. I didn't. Did you?

As unhinged as Lilly was, murder was something else and surprised many.

Don't get me wrong, I was as surprised as anyone. But I'd like to think if I was in an argument with someone in that situation and I knew they were armed I'd keep one eye on them and a hand on my gun until the situation was diffused.

As a piece of drama, it was top notch and I admit hindsight is great for me to make comments like that. In the heat of the moment mistakes are made but TWD hasn't been known to reward folks for making mistakes and they didn't with Carley either.

[Rock114]

Don't get me wrong, I was as surprised as anyone. But I'd like to think if I was in an argument with someone in that situation and I knew they were armed I'd keep one eye on them and a hand on my gun until the situation was diffused.

As a piece of drama, it was top notch and I admit hindsight is great for me to make comments like that. In the heat of the moment mistakes are made but TWD hasn't been known to reward folks for making mistakes and they didn't with Carley either.

At least I had enough sense around to me NOT take the blame myself. As soon as I saw the "I did it" option, I took one look at Lilly and said "Nope, not sayin that." Lilly was freaking crazy, and I was too scared to even draw her ATTENTION toward me again, let alone say I was the one stealing the supplies. I actually felt like crap after Carley died, because I helped kill Larry and was too scared to take the fall so Carley didn't have to. I actually thought I was the reason she got shot.

[slayer300876]

Why is everyone so in love with Carley? Yeah her getting shot was bad, but honestly I was more mad about Doug getting shot.

If you are a Carley fan why do you like her character so much? For the fact she was a possible romance? Or that she was uber cute trying to put in batteries?

What about the breasts?

jk jk

[watertommyz]

Actually, had Doug been the one to confront me in the office in episode 1, and not Carly...I would have likely chosen Doug my first time. However, she was the gun toting-hero, and I was going to value that more than someone who likely wouldn't be that useful outside of programming remotes.

I'm sorry, but that's how I called it. If there was an option to save both, then yes, I would have done that, so I made the best call in my mind. I will be going through the game again to see what his story and outcome are like, but from what I hear, yeah, Carly is the better option.

[Scaeva]

After Lee's she is perhaps the most useful member of your group. She obviously isn't gifted with electronics or computers, but in that is hardly a drawback in an era where the power grid is offline and where surviving zombie attacks or bandit raids is a more pressing concern than getting a radio operational. She has a skillset that is far more useful: fearlessness in combat and a proficiency with firearms.

The other reason why I like Carley is that she was for the most part, a moral person. She risks her own life and rushes out to rescue Lee, Clem and Kenny's family when they get trapped by zombies early in the game, even though they were strangers. She also knows Lee's past but does not tell the others, and is the first among the group to be willing to give Lee a second chance. She is more concerned with the well being of Clementine than herself when you are short of food, and she tries to defend Ben from Lilly. (he was just a kid)

Her one stumble was not wanting to save the trapped girl at the motel. But considering the place was overrun with zombies, it was understandable, and everyone is allowed a few mistakes in the zombie apocalypse. ;)

[plaqueconspiracy]

She saved your life numerous of times.
She saved Clem numerous of times.
If she was a real life person she would probably be pretty.
She doesn't take any shit.
She is caring.
She is considerate.
She is kind.
She is a good person.
She can hold her own.
She is a great shot.

[Arbitrator]

As I recall on one of the interviews, they said most people who brought Lily along were also the people who saved Carley.

Yeeaahh... because Lily was just really useful and stable at that point.

[Viner16]

She had my back.

Come to think of it though, Doug did too in my other playthrough so I'm ok with both of em :D

[RobtMyers]

What it really came down to was "women and children first." I'm proud to say that's where my brain went in that moment.

[Scaeva]

As I recall on one of the interviews, they said most people who brought Lily along were also the people who saved Carley.

Yeeaahh... because Lily was just really useful and stable at that point.

I saved Carley and abandoned Lilly on the side of the road.

[anonymau5]

Exactly. Carley may have chosen a bad time to tell Lilly off, but it was completely understandable and nobody thought Lilly would resort to straight up murder. That's why I can only say Carley made a bit of a mistake, I can't blame her like some people can. What was she going to know, that what she'd say would end up resulting in her death?

I'm getting really tired of people saying that Carley made a mistake by telling Lilly off. Yes she did, but everyone else turned away from a woman that has proven to be slightly less than mentally stable and is holding a gun. I would think that after surviving for around three months they would know better than that.

[imood]

The first time I played, I picked Doug. Mostly because I wasn't really thinking and I thought I would be able to save both.. but then after that ordeal I went to talk to Doug, he said something like "I wish you saved her instead" -_-'' FINE! I replayed and let the walkers take him away.

[Scaeva]

I'm getting really tired of people saying that Carley made a mistake by telling Lilly off. Yes she did, but everyone else turned away from a woman that has proven to be slightly less than mentally stable and is holding a gun. I would think that after surviving for around three months they would know better than that.

Carley didn't make a mistake at all. She was absolutely right in what she said to Lilly, and was also right in trying to get her to back off for a moment. At the end of the day Ben was just a kid, as far as they knew they hadn't lost anyone in the bandit attack (Duck's bite not yet revealed), and Lilly was throwing around a lot of accusations without any evidence to back them up.

The only person who made a mistake during that scene was Lilly, when she decided to commit an act of cold-blooded murder and endanger the entire group, by robbing it off someone who was both completely loyal and the most skilled out of the bunch with a pistol.

No one could have envisioned Lilly flying so far off the handle that she'd murder another group member without any justification.

[LauriNicole]

I'm not going to go into detail on her skill when it comes to a gun, although that was a pretty good factor that I know made a lot of us take a second glance at her. That's obvious and I don't think anyone will disagree this point.

I liked her relationship with Lee. Not in a "I'm a horny teenager that wants to see sexual stuff" way, but it was sweet. Those two would have clicked perfectly. They would make a good team; I could see them always taking down zombies together and having each other's backs. :]

Carley was pretty, and I do admit looks can either make me more fond of a character or dislike them more. I'm a straight girly, and if I ever get stuck in the apocalypse, I'd like to look as nice as she managed to.

She was also reasonable. I agreed with her on almost everything she had to say/do. She didn't lose her temper and force herself too far into the spotlight (apart from the time it cost her her life) or hide in the shadows. She didn't get involved when it wasn't necessary. She dropped the subject and didn't bring it up again when Lee voiced his annoyance at her asking what happened in the meat locker at the St. John's farm.

She had a good sense of humor, too. She made me laugh multiple times. How can you not love somebody with such a cute and light personality? Even in the midst of fighting Walkers, she didn't shut down. She managed to keep things amusing.

[slayer300876]

if no 1 else will say it i will. she has a perfect voice, seriously especially in episode 3. also cuz she knew about Lee's past.

[DreadMagus]

She definitely had a solid voice actress. :)

[Apex4thetime]

I'm not going to go into detail on her skill when it comes to a gun, although that was a pretty good factor that I know made a lot of us take a second glance at her. That's obvious and I don't think anyone will disagree this point.

I liked her relationship with Lee. Not in a "I'm a horny teenager that wants to see sexual stuff" way, but it was sweet. Those two would have clicked perfectly. They would make a good team; I could see them always taking down zombies together and having each other's backs. :]

Carley was pretty, and I do admit looks can either make me more fond of a character or dislike them more. I'm a straight girly, and if I ever get stuck in the apocalypse, I'd like to look as nice as she managed to.

She was also reasonable. I agreed with her on almost everything she had to say/do. She didn't lose her temper and force herself too far into the spotlight (apart from the time it cost her her life) or hide in the shadows. She didn't get involved when it wasn't necessary. She dropped the subject and didn't bring it up again when Lee voiced his annoyance at her asking what happened in the meat locker at the St. John's farm.

She had a good sense of humor, too. She made me laugh multiple times. How can you not love somebody with such a cute and light personality? Even in the midst of fighting Walkers, she didn't shut down. She managed to keep things amusing.

totaly agree with it, she was just awesome. too bad there wasn't a way to save her life

this was actually the first game in a long time i thought: i really want to play this. and after a few hours i quit because i cant do anything to save carley. im still not playing the game because it hurts when people mention her name

[double_u]

I like Carley for her selflessness. She risked her life rushing out to save Lee and company when they first got to Macon. She stood up for the newcomers when Larry and Lilly wanted them out. Later, she went with Lee to rescue Glenn even though she could have stayed in the fortified drugstore. She also gave Lee a second chance at the drugstore despite his past, and kept silent. If she told others, you can bet Larry and Lilly would really push to kick Lee out to the herd. These were the initial reasons that made me like Carley initially, and in fact made me instinctively save her in Episode 1. After all, it seemed only right to save the person who save you. It also assured me Carley was a woman who would always have my back when in trouble. In times like an ZA, having selfless group members is the difference between getting saved or left behind.

Episode 2 showed proved how awesome of a sidekick Carley was, especially when she showed up at the right moment to save Lee.

By Episode 3, I really appreciate that humanness Carley represented in the story. She gave up her own rations so you and Clem can eat! The romance arc just added to her character in this humanness regard. In fact, I think the romance arc was added by TTG as a "teaser" to the possibility of hope only to effectively tear it away. I don't know about the rest of you, but after Lilly offed her, I definitely noticed how lonely I felt without Carley to act as a balance to the increasingly brutal group dynamics. I could no longer count on anyone to always have my back based on my previous choices. This is why I appreciate Carley as a character.

[double_u]

I like Carley for her selflessness. She risked her life rushing out to save Lee and company when they first got to Macon. She stood up for the newcomers when Larry and Lilly wanted them out. Later, she went with Lee to rescue Glenn even though she could have stayed in the fortified drugstore. She also gave Lee a second chance at the drugstore despite his past, and kept silent. If she told others, you can bet Larry and Lilly would really push to kick Lee out to the herd. These were the initial reasons that made me like Carley initially, and in fact made me instinctively save her in Episode 1. After all, it seemed only right to save the person who save you. It also assured me Carley was a woman who would always have my back when in trouble. In times like an ZA, having selfless group members is the difference between getting saved or left behind.

Episode 2 showed proved how awesome of a sidekick Carley was, especially when she showed up at the right moment to save Lee.

By Episode 3, I really appreciate that humanness Carley represented in the story. She gave up her own rations so you and Clem can eat! The romance arc just added to her character in this humanness regard. In fact, I think the romance arc was added by TTG as a "teaser" to the possibility of hope only to effectively tear it away. I don't know about the rest of you, but after Lilly offed her, I definitely noticed how lonely I felt without Carley to act as a balance to the increasingly brutal group dynamics. I could no longer count on anyone to always have my back based on my previous choices. This is why I appreciate Carley as a character.

[Wynne]

I also picked doug first but in my second play through i saved carley and realized that with her saved, i could tell the group my past and everyone was more accepting and happy that i was honest with them, unlike when lily tells out secret and everyone is upset with us.This is what happened to me, too. I like both characters, but I like Carley's in-game benefits more.

I like the Action Girl type. And she and Lee would've been cute.

[CarleyandLeeTWD]

I like Carley because she has a great personality- it's something that I admire/like. She's supportive, trust-able, got your back and thoughtful. What else is her voice is really great, very soothing and solid, clear and fun to hear, and it's really powerful and attention catching.

What else is that she notices stuff and does anything to help people in need. She's always got your back, and she's very sensible and shows a huge amount of concern.

Next is that her looks/body are pretty nice. The first time I saw her I immediately thought she was pretty and Lee and her was perfect. Perfect. In real life, I'm sure she'd be really pretty and such. I'd be really happy to have a relationship with a girl that's like that, like her. You can depend on her, and isn't afraid to voice out her opinion because she doesnt care who you are, what else, she saves your life, and she gives me that feeling of safety and comfort. She can also keep secrets, and she really knows how life works, and her reasons for her actions are good. when she urged lee to tell her secret, i was absolutely blown away by what she said, and learned stuff from it. like "It's not a matter of ready or not, etc...." She's a good and perfect character.

She knows what's wrong and how to fix it. If it's wrong, she won't do it. She's really active in the group.