Is Lee's death/zombification inevitable?

[Juicymarmalade]

This is probably a stupid question since nobody in the Walking Dead universe has survived a walker bite but just curious. Is there no way he can just chop off his hand or does the bite spread very quickly? I just don't want him to die because he seems like the only one who can take care of Clementine and it would seem weird for someone like Kenny to do it. Unless her parents are alive, which I doubt.

Also, how come he wasn't already feeling ill after the bite? Duck started feeling down right after they left the motor inn on the RV while Lee was able to talk normally and make the trip to the morgue to find Clementine.

So yeah, is he hopeless or is there a slim chance the devs will defile the lore and get him cured?

[Rock114]

He COULD HAVE survived if his left arm had been immediately amputated, but it's been far too long since he was bitten for that to work. The group didn't even have anything to cut it off with, so as soon as that walker broke flesh Lee was a dead man.

[Juicymarmalade]

Oh and I forgot to mention, how are they going to replace Lee in the announced second season of the game when everyone's grown attached to him and what not?

[Bralef]

I really hope they don't pull something out of their ass and save Lee.

Don't get me wrong, I love Lee as a character, and I'd love to see him survive. But Telltale made a choice when he got bitten. There's no turning back...Or at least, there shouldn't be.

EDIT: I figured the second Season would focus on a different group of Survivors, Juicy.

[JacUK]

This is probably a stupid question since nobody in the Walking Dead universe has survived a walker bite but just curious. Is there no way he can just chop off his hand or does the bite spread very quickly? I just don't want him to die because he seems like the only one who can take care of Clementine and it would seem weird for someone like Kenny to do it. Unless her parents are alive, which I doubt.

Also, how come he wasn't already feeling ill after the bite? Duck started feeling down right after they left the motor inn on the RV while Lee was able to talk normally and make the trip to the morgue to find Clementine.

So yeah, is he hopeless or is there a slim chance the devs will defile the lore and get him cured?

Telltale is keeping trailers and spoilers closed, so it could go either way, they might let Lee not be bit and it was just a scratch from the plywood that was there, or they could let it be as most think a bite and he will die after he of course has saved Clem who will go with Kenny, Christa and Omid

Which could be seen as justice, he killed someone before the outbreak and now he will "pay" that life back.

But in my opinion Telltale shoots themselves in the foot with that.

I dont get it and for me it will ruin the game, if i wanted to have a bad ending, i would just watch real life.

[JacUK]

Oh and I forgot to mention, how are they going to replace Lee in the announced second season of the game when everyone's grown attached to him and what not?

They are probably going to replace the group and have you be someone else.

Stupid idea and who ever thought that one up should just bite himself and turn into a zombie :D

[SonnyN18]

Telltale is keeping trailers and spoilers closed, so it could go either way, they might let Lee not be bit and it was just a scratch from the plywood that was there, or they could let it be as most think a bite and he will die after he of course has saved Clem who will go with Kenny, Christa and Omid

Which could be seen as justice, he killed someone before the outbreak and now he will "pay" that life back.

But in my opinion Telltale shoots themselves in the foot with that.

I dont get it and for me it will ruin the game, if i wanted to have a bad ending, i would just watch real life.

Too bad, it's the apocalypse. Not everything goes your way.

[Bralef]

Telltale is keeping trailers and spoilers closed, so it could go either way, they might let Lee not be bit and it was just a scratch from the plywood that was there

That's an...Awfully odd-shaped Plywood scratch. You know, in several places.

How exactly would that go? Lee just kinda hangs around and waits to turn, and then eventually thinks "Huh, maybe it was just the plywood. Hey guys, wait up."

[JacUK]

Too bad, it's the apocalypse. Not everything goes your way.

Its a game not a real apocalypse

And in a game the good guys usually wins.

[JacUK]

That's an...Awfully odd-shaped Plywood scratch. You know, in several places.

How exactly would that go? Lee just kinda hangs around and waits to turn, and then eventually thinks "Huh, maybe it was just the plywood. Hey guys, wait up."

Ya, well its either that or he is immune.

it could also just be a dream, he wakes up sitting in the house and next to him his clem sleeping sound.

Like the one in ep.3 but talk about corny.

[Zeruis]

I'm seriously hoping that bite's not fatal. What am I saying? Hell, I just want to Lee to survive.

[SonnyN18]

Its a game not a real apocalypse

And in a game the good guys usually wins.

Well in the apocalypse you don't win. This is a more a realistic portrayal of an apocalypse and "winning" isn't realistic.

"In the end, the dead always win".

[IndigoHawk]

Lee's dead. It's just too clean to kill him at the end of the season. He's a murderer who atoned by raising Clem, but now he must pay the price for his murder, blah blah. Clem lives. Lee dies. No one accuses TWD of a happy ending, and everyone buzzes about how amazing it is that a game killed a protagonist.

The shock would be killing Clem, not Lee. Then people would say that all the effort they put into raising Clem went to waste.

[swebonny]

I always found it odd for him to get bitten now. Wouldn't it be more reasonable in episode 5. Now it's just making me all depressed knowing that he's a goner. And to know that episode 5 won't come for like 1-2 months... bite me already.

[Marussian]

Lee will die.I don't think its a plywood or dream.I watched on the video and that was definitely the bite from the walker when he grabbed walkie-talkie.

I liked Lee.The things he have done for Clem,for the group,even for the people he doesn't like(try to save Larry etc.) He was a great character.But not everyone is invincible.We should have seen this coming.There's no happy ending in this apocalypse.

In ep.5 he has one mission only.He'll save Clem , make sure she has somebody to take care of her,and then die peacefully by killing himself or shot by someone from the group.I think it will be heroic enough...

[VenicStorm]

Or Clementine will shoot him when he turns...

[zgamer]

My problem with the bite is that NO ONE EVEN RAISED IT AS A POSSIBILITY! It has been established in the comics that Dale has survived a bite by amputation. Yes they did it immediately, but at least they thought of doing it. Here, everyone just says "Well that sucks..." It feels too much like a set-up...

[Sir Fruitcakes]

Telltale is keeping trailers and spoilers closed, so it could go either way, they might let Lee not be bit and it was just a scratch from the plywood that was there, or they could let it be as most think a bite and he will die after he of course has saved Clem who will go with Kenny, Christa and Omid

Which could be seen as justice, he killed someone before the outbreak and now he will "pay" that life back.

But in my opinion Telltale shoots themselves in the foot with that.

I dont get it and for me it will ruin the game, if i wanted to have a bad ending, i would just watch real life.

Wrong franchise, i'm sorry you expected a good ending man :(

Read afew chapters of the walking dead comic, It isn't leading up to a good ending.

[Saracenar]

It's possible that they don't know you can stop the infection by amputating. Not everyone knows how it works, and they haven't met anyone who has survived a bite.

[NikolajDeluke]

My theory for the reason why they chose to let Lee get bitten at the climax of Episode 4 is to build up to the Grand Finale. I'm sure it may have crossed their mind to say, 'Hmm, how about we let him get bitten in episode 3?' but then someone would say, 'Alright, that won't work. How can he survive for two whole episodes after without becoming a zombie like Duck did. Hell, he didn't even last 24 hours.' I'm guessing the focus on the last game in this season will be watching as Lee slowly succumbs to zombification, the emotional turmoil that will no-doubt transpire, especially between Clementine and Lee when Clementine realises what's going to happen. The game series wants to mess with your head and draw you in. And it succeeds quite well. Imagine how much it'll draw us in when the 5th rolls about.

My request?

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASSSSEEEEEEEEE let the violin music play for most of the game????? The music that plays during the sad and melancholic scenes, like after Molly departs. I can't get enough of that music because of how fitting it is.

[MissDRJ]

I think Lee has to die in order to usher in a new story and characters. In the second season I think we will play as the sheriff or that little Asian guy. But I was very angry when I saw the bite mark.

[Ialddiir]

My guess is they ALL die except Clem, and in the end she get saved by a new group (her mom might be one of them) wish will appear to be next season group. That might be a good way to link the first and second season.

[Xebioz]

I don't really care whether Lee dies or we play as him in the next season. What will piss me off though is if we get a new character and they kill him off as well in the second season to end it off.

Then it would just feel like a cheap gimmick to be 'edgy' and 'dark'. But that said, bring on episode 5.

[LokiHavok]

Sheriff or the small Asian guy???
I hope you're not referring to who I think you're referring to...

[Saracenar]

I think Lee has to die in order to usher in a new story and characters. In the second season I think we will play as the sheriff or that little Asian guy. But I was very angry when I saw the bite mark.

Telltale will never have us play as Rick or Glenn. That storyline is for the comics and the TV series. They are handling original characters.

[shedim]

Wrong franchise, i'm sorry you expected a good ending man :(

Read afew chapters of the walking dead comic, It isn't leading up to a good ending.

Wrong franchise my ...

The only problem is gaming developers thinking grimdark/depressing endings are totally cool, artistic, creative and hipster. Just have a look at Mass Effect 3 how great their fabulous grimdark red/blue/green slap to the face ending turned out to be.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with Lee dieing when his death is for a good cause, such as getting the choice to sacrifice himself for Clementine. But since they decided to railroad Lee to death, just like they did with Carley, his inevitable death is just frustrating, lame and boring. This isn't a graphic novel or a movie, this is a computer game after all! Make it interactive, not passive! If The Walking Rollercoaster was a bad game, I wouldn't bother complaining but since it isn't, it's just a shame they dump Lee just like that.

Intelligent storywriting in computer games is creating depression without frustrating players, instead of just smashing everyone with the pain train they could left the choice of survival or sacrifice to the player. Instead, they sentenced him to death for no reason. This is the Mass Effect-Effect: Knowing your protagonist is going to die no matter what you do just kills off any potential replay value this game ever has. What's the point in playing Episode 5, since Lee's going to end up dead, anyway?

[Eguro]

The point would be to choose to sacrifice yourself to save Clementine instead of choosing the easy way out, which would be resigning yourself to zombi-fication.
His being bitten will probably take out a bit of the dilemma with sacrificing himself for Clementine - since he's dead anyway. But then again - for me at least - that's not really a dilemma at all.

Come to think of it - maybe it comes down to sacrificing himself for either Clementine or the group - or Clementine's parent(s) or the group.

[Rodia]

Oh and I forgot to mention, how are they going to replace Lee in the announced second season of the game when everyone's grown attached to him and what not?

I was honestly more attached to Molly than I was to Lee. I want her to teach me that CQC shit.

[chaz99]

I find it a bit much that Clem deserts Lee, as if he didn't matter. The bleakness of this story line is getting to be a bit much, even for an existentialist like me.

I'll wager that Lee is going to die and Clem shoots him in the head. Prediction for Episode 5. Any takers?

[chaz99]

Now that I know that Lee is a dead duck I'm gonna rewind and let Ben fall. Lee's dead, so what's the point of letting that cockroach live?

Besides, Clem deserts Lee and runs off with whoever. C'est la guerre.

[distortion]

I don't think Clem deserted Lee. I think she was captured. At first we think it's the doctor (can't remember his name), but his voice and the voice on the walkie are definitely not the same. So we're waiting to find out who it was. But Clem would never willingly leave Lee behind. Sure she's headstrong, like when she climbed through the dog door, but there's a huge difference between that and just plain running off. She was taken, and we need to get her back.

Also, I think Lee was bitten in order to open up new possibilities for the second season. I think we'll be playing as Clem, maybe a few years older and wiser than she is now, and her struggled to survive without Lee to look after her. If any of the other characters from this game are in it too I don't know, we'll see how many of them survive episode 5, but I think Clem will become our main protagonist.

[Ern]

I liked the story but can't help but notice telltale has now played our emotions on the 2 guys we only really care about Lee and Clementine. It would have been nice for at least Doug/Carley to still be around.

then the only interesting new character leaves

[Eguro]

I've just said it in another thread, but as Clems hat is in the yard, it seems likely she simply went out there - perhaps to be alone - and was then approached/kidnapped from there.
Perhaps she used the walkie-talkie, but she wouldn't leave her hat behind!

[ToSch]

I'm pretty sure Lee is dead meat. It wouldn't be The Walking Dead otherwise. Everything that is based on something Kirkman wrote must spread misery, otherwise he won't be happy.

[ITIATT]

I'm pretty sure Lee is dead meat. It wouldn't be The Walking Dead otherwise. Everything that is based on something Kirkman wrote must spread misery, otherwise he won't be happy.

Yes but you must think the classic walking dead thing to do would be to kill people you care about around you. NOT YOU. I seriously thought they would kill clem before me just to put that emotion inside you to carry on.

[Demonseed]

I certainly didn't expect to get bit like that, I would have preferred a cut-scene where you actually saw yourself get bit. I was shocked as I didn't even see it happen. However since we've lost most of the original group already, having Lee die or get bit always was high on my list of potential risks.

And to the poster that commented on how developers make their games end the way they want to.....that is why they write the story. Not every ending in games and books end on a happy note. I myself enjoy endings like this from time to time, it gets old always having the happy-happy, joy-joy ending all the time.

[LokiHavok]

Happy endings are rare in the world we all live in. I don't expect them to be abundant in a world where the dead have risen to chomp on the flesh of the living.

Anyways, I don't think we've got the creds to be giving TTG storyline writing advice.
The guy who wrote these episodes is a professional. Wrote Book of Eli and prolly some other stuff. Pretty sure he's more qualified than any armchair critic.

[ITIATT]

Happy endings are rare in the world we all live in. I don't expect them to be abundant in a world where the dead have risen to chomp on the flesh of the living.

Anyways, I don't think we've got the creds to be giving TTG storyline writing advice.
The guy who wrote these episodes is a professional. Wrote Book of Eli and prolly some other stuff. Pretty sure he's more qualified than any armchair critic.

No one is really telling them how to write it. At least I wasn't. I just expected Lee to live and have most around him die. Didn't think that this group would most likely all die in season 1.

[Jokieman]

The Walking Dead is pretty grim, and there are few "Happy" moments. So yeah, Lee's Dead.

I recently watched Season 1 and 2 on Netflix. And am really interested in Season 3. Traditionally I hate Graphic Novels, but I am even thinking about getting those too.

[kirby18]

Its a toss up for me. obviously I want tt to be credible but I want Lee to survive more so. So I think if they added a way for Lee to survive, I wouldnt be upset...ie maybe the zombie that bit him had something special, maybe it didnt fully bite him. I want to watch the scene again and see if its clear the zombie ACTUALLY bit Lee.

[LokiHavok]

There's a YouTube video floating around somewhere, that someone posted.

I watched it slowly and it wasn't a very prolonged attacked.
But you heard a "squished grapes" sort of sound
WHich pretty much means he truly got bit. Reall juicy-like.

[StevenvanL]

I think we'll be playing as Clem, maybe a few years older and wiser than she is now, and her struggled to survive without Lee to look after her. If any of the other characters from this game are in it too I don't know, we'll see how many of them survive episode 5, but I think Clem will become our main protagonist.

I like that concept. That jump would put the game ahead of regular continuity (I've always wondered why the zombies don't decompose over time btw, ending their reign.) but it would mean the game can carry over a character or two who survive in all possible outcomes. Should Clem have a thought back to her past, a season 1 save-game (if present) could colour in the details of her past and give the series a feeling of continuity.

However, they could also just jump to Molly. She left alive and well. *EDIT: Uh, she CAN die apparently, so strike this option.*

[Rommel49]

I certainly didn't expect to get bit like that, I would have preferred a cut-scene where you actually saw yourself get bit. I was shocked as I didn't even see it happen. However since we've lost most of the original group already, having Lee die or get bit always was high on my list of potential risks.

And to the poster that commented on how developers make their games end the way they want to.....that is why they write the story. Not every ending in games and books end on a happy note. I myself enjoy endings like this from time to time, it gets old always having the happy-happy, joy-joy ending all the time.

The problem being the whole "protagonist dies" endings are kinda overdone themselves nowadays. It's a way to seem edgy and different... yet, there's the fact that the very first known story written in the English language has the protagonist die off. Nowadays, it tends to be kinda lazy in most cases, it's just that sadness is pretty much the easiest emotion to evoke.

[Abel]

The Walking Dead is pretty grim, and there are few "Happy" moments. So yeah, Lee's Dead.

I recently watched Season 1 and 2 on Netflix. And am really interested in Season 3. Traditionally I hate Graphic Novels, but I am even thinking about getting those too.
Do it, you'll be addicted...

[Zhombre]

There's a YouTube video floating around somewhere, that someone posted.

I watched it slowly and it wasn't a very prolonged attacked.
But you heard a "squished grapes" sort of sound
WHich pretty much means he truly got bit. Reall juicy-like.

Yea but that could of been him cutting himself open too no? I kind of find it hard to beleive that your character wouldnt know he was bit until seeing a wound afterwards... like im pretty sure id know if something bit me if i was fighting it...

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

I'm seriously hoping that bite's not fatal. What am I saying? Hell, I just want to Lee to survive.

Yeah, because wasn't it Ben who said "it's not the bite that gets you."

I mean in this game have we ever seen anyone take a wound from a Zombie and not die, or take a scratch or anything of that nature and not die outright?

Usually when one take the first bite they get dragged down or pulled and that's end of story.

I don't think Lee is gonna die. Or...he might and then when he dies Clem is finally reunited with her mother and it is is Clem who has to put a bullet in his head.

Oh...how..dramatic!

[NewYawk]

I am only pissed about the lack of choice. I made sure to check to boxes before touching that Walkie and I am sure the same thing happens if you just grab the Walkie. At some point you need to wonder, what part of episode 4 was even a game? Felt more like waiting for the story to unfold.

[Gman5852]

I am only pissed about the lack of choice. I made sure to check to boxes before touching that Walkie and I am sure the same thing happens if you just grab the Walkie. At some point you need to wonder, what part of episode 4 was even a game? Felt more like waiting for the story to unfold.

Lack of choices. What bloody choices would there be to pick? Die or not die? What kind of idiot picks die?

[distortion]

Yeah, because wasn't it Ben who said "it's not the bite that gets you."

I mean in this game have we ever seen anyone take a wound from a Zombie and not die, or take a scratch or anything of that nature and not die outright?

Usually when one take the first bite they get dragged down or pulled and that's end of story.

I don't think Lee is gonna die. Or...he might and then when he dies Clem is finally reunited with her mother and it is is Clem who has to put a bullet in his head.

Oh...how..dramatic!

It's not the bite that turns you into a zombie, but the bite still kills you, and once you're dead you come back as undead. It killed Duck, or would have if we let it, and in the TV show we see a couple characters die from being bit and then coming back.

[Schramm00]

I know its hard to think he dies.I know he killed a person...But there a lot of worse people like this ''people'' in this epi 4! I think he need a 2 chance...i will feel bad if he dies

[fanganga]

Nah, first act of Episode 5, he'll get himself a funky new chainsaw hand.

[CapnJay]

Lee discovers he's immune to the Virus..... Five seconds before his head is blown off

[Sithdude78]

Well I liked where this is going i think telltale have written one of the best games this year with this game. As for the lack of choice in major plot points which has always been a complaint i think it works like this if you truly had freedom of choice this would be an MMO i mean seriously people how would they drive the story if we truly got to decide everything.

I mean how many people would want to go to Savanna, it just wouldnt work as a game, so they have to make the major plot points driving the story un avoidable other wise we'd still have people in the motor-inn

[danstu]

I dont get it and for me it will ruin the game, if i wanted to have a bad ending, i would just watch real life.

So... I take it you haven't read the comics, watched the show, or played any of the episodes other than this one then? Walking Dead is not a franchise where people's stories end happily.

[CQ76]

Also, how come he wasn't already feeling ill after the bite? Duck started feeling down right after they left the motor inn on the RV while Lee was able to talk normally and make the trip to the morgue to find Clementine.
?

But in the morgue he was bent over the table & looked to be getting quite ill already.

[Noname215]

I really don’t think he’s going to die. They’re probably going to put in an ending which will just add more twists to the plot. If they DO kill him, then they will probably just have Clementine as the next protagonist. But still, I don’t believe that Lee will actually die.

Some might not agree with me. But we’ll just play the waiting game until November.

[CQ76]

I think Lee will die. I've read the comics and this isn't a happy-ending kind of story. Lee's fate is pretty much sealed. We know what's going to happen. You can be in disbelief like Kenny was about Duck, all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that he's been bitten and that bites are fatal unless immediately amputated, which he didn't do.

Perhaps his story will end with him knowing that Clem gets saved or that her mom really is alive or that he can leave her with someone to protect her before he dies.

[zgamer]

It's possible that they don't know you can stop the infection by amputating. Not everyone knows how it works, and they haven't met anyone who has survived a bite.

I know, but it just felt like something was left hanging there. Like it could have been just a suggestion that was reasoned away. However, it is not even thought about. Whereas the show and the comic have done amputation at least once to address the point to some degree (and apparently we will see the result of Merle's amputation next season).

I dunno, it wouldn't feel so weird if it wasn't being sold as "well, that's that and nothing you can do now" situation without someone trying to reason it out. Kenny tried to reason a way to deal with Duck's bite, they tried to help Irene find an alternate solution before ultimately deciding yes or no to shoot her. It just seemed like they gave up very easy.

[chaz99]

Lee's a goner, which sucks. I really don't feel like rewinding and playing out different responses now, which I did a # of times with the first 3 episodes, albeit not so much in ep.3.

The whole thing has a shelf-life for me; Kirkman is clearly a nihilist and seemingly is happiest when his readers are bummed out. I'm an optimist at heart and I can only delve into "this is a sad story and there is no happy ending" for a little while. I'm not expecting airy-fairy sunshine and unicorns, but the bleakness and lack of humor (even gallows humor) gets a bit much after all.

[BlackPaladin]

If you look at the episode 5 titles, 3 of them are "the marsh house" (the place clementine's parents normally go in savannah), "stay close to me" and "what remains." To me it sounds like Lee does decide to try to find her parents now that he knows he will turn. Then either 1) clementine also gets bit (maybe even by her turned parents, as in episode 1 her mom said her fater was "attacked by some strange man at the hotel and is in the er") and lee and her stay together to turn, or 2) lee asks her to stay with him for just a little longer before he turns to say goodbye. Then the group leaves on the boat in the "what remains" finale, looking back at savannah from the boat.

It just makes a bit of sense to me to do it either way. The group didn't know about amputation, and lee's already showing symptoms of illness which means it's too late. He's going to die otherwise it completely goes against kirkman's eatablished rules. All we need to figure out is how it will all go down.

[nopantszombie]

I have a feeling episode 5 will have a continued timer and that lee will die. If you look at the cover picture (clem standing over a dead body) and the name for that episode (no time left) it kinda fits.

[QuarterPounderVlad]

I'm really attached to Lee. If he dies I might go all rebel on telltale.
x)

[FarmerJoe]

I don't really get the complaints about Lee being taken unaware by the Walker. It showed how fragile life can be and how easily it can sometimes end.

[Accall]

I don't really get the complaints about Lee being taken unaware by the Walker. It showed how fragile life can be and how easily it can sometimes end.

In that case, I suppose you'd be fine if he just died from a stray bullet in the first episode?

[Gman5852]

In that case, I suppose you'd be fine if he just died from a stray bullet in the first episode?

No because then there wouldn't be episodes 2-5, so if Telltale did that, there would be some legal problems. If someone else died from a stray bullet, then yes I would be perfectly fine with that.

Heck, it DID happen, that is how Doug dies if you save him.

[RoboSheriff]

Oh and I forgot to mention, how are they going to replace Lee in the announced second season of the game when everyone's grown attached to him and what not?

easily fixed by changing all the characters

[fangorn]

Oh and I forgot to mention, how are they going to replace Lee in the announced second season of the game when everyone's grown attached to him and what not?

They're probably going to set the season 2's protagonist as Clem as I've predicted (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=678861&postcount=72) some time ago.. They already announced that our saves from s1 will be imported into s2..
I'm really sad to see I guessed right about Lee..

[Gman5852]

Oh and I forgot to mention, how are they going to replace Lee in the announced second season of the game when everyone's grown attached to him and what not?

The exact same way this game used Lee when everyone was used to Rick...

[Bralef]

I dunno, it wouldn't feel so weird if it wasn't being sold as "well, that's that and nothing you can do now" situation without someone trying to reason it out. Kenny tried to reason a way to deal with Duck's bite, they tried to help Irene find an alternate solution before ultimately deciding yes or no to shoot her. It just seemed like they gave up very easy.

Perhaps that's why they gave up so easily with Lee; they'd already seen how bites work. Duck was the first bite victim of the group, and as much as Kenny tried/hoped, there wasn't anything they could do. When they shot Duck, they had to have come to terms with the fact that bites are fatal.

Plus, they weren't exactly in a hurry with Duck, aside from getting the train started. Lee got bitten right after he realized Clementine was taken. As he said, there wasn't really any time to worry about him when Clementine was in danger.

[Schramm00]

but no one is like other...maybe can't be a bite it was no much blood i think...But lets wait to epi 5 i really want to know what will happen

[Gerudan]

It's funny, halfway through the Ep. 4 I was pretty sure, that Lee would die at the end of Ep.5 and what do you know? I was right. :D

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

Anyone else think that the Steam achievement 'Penultimate' shows a zombified Lee and Clem in the background? Behind the first three zombies?

Might just be me...

[WowMutt]

Im not one to cry or argue about killing Lee off, but I have to admit, the scene where Lee was bitten just makes me wonder.

Maybe just me, but during that scene, I just didnt see Lee react to a 'bite' not like it hurt.. and the bite mark, to me, almost looked more like the walkers bloody teethmarks but didnt break the skin. I'm not not 100% convinced it was a real bite!

I think proably 99% chance it was, just the way the scene played out!

But then why would Lee have the option to hide or reveal the bite?

I think in following the whole ZA, it's more than reasonable our hero dies, that im good with it.. Just cant help but wonder if there's a slight chance for a twist!

[Kelium]

It sucks that Lee has been bit. But every good thing has to end. I wish it hadnt happened but at the same time Im ok with it. I am along for the ride and its going to be really interesting!

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

I don't really get the complaints about Lee being taken unaware by the Walker. It showed how fragile life can be and how easily it can sometimes end.

Lee should've had some coffee before rushing out to go look for Clem. Can't help but imagine he still must've been pretty sleepy.

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

Im not one to cry or argue about killing Lee off, but I have to admit, the scene where Lee was bitten just makes me wonder.

Maybe just me, but during that scene, I just didnt see Lee react to a 'bite' not like it hurt.. and the bite mark, to me, almost looked more like the walkers bloody teethmarks but didnt break the skin. I'm not not 100% convinced it was a real bite!

I think proably 99% chance it was, just the way the scene played out!

But then why would Lee have the option to hide or reveal the bite?

I think in following the whole ZA, it's more than reasonable our hero dies, that im good with it.. Just cant help but wonder if there's a slight chance for a twist!

I was also thinking that the bite didn't break through the skin at the time, but I think that's just wishful thinking on my part lol.

[WowMutt]

I was also thinking that the bite didn't break through the skin at the time, but I think that's just wishful thinking on my part lol.

agreed!

[Gman5852]

Yeah, considering Lee never reacted to the bite until AFTER he saw blood, and not really a bite mark, you never know. But if that was a bite, Lee is dead. Only hope is that Lee is blind along with being clumsy, but that seems like a horrible ending. "Oh wait guys, not a bite, whoops!"

[Bralef]

Yeah, considering Lee never reacted to the bite until AFTER he saw blood, and not really a bite mark, you never know. But if that was a bite, Lee is dead. Only hope is that Lee is blind along with being clumsy, but that seems like a horrible ending. "Oh wait guys, not a bite, whoops!"

Yeah, plus, how would they figure that out? There's no set time period for infection or anything. Even if it turned out not to be a bite, Lee would probably have been left behind/shot himself before he figured it out.

[Galdis]

I think it's kind of pointless to kill off Lee, but whatever. If you guys didn't see this coming then shame on you.

[MaddogIsBoss]

i would just like to see lee live some how, forget all that crap on how it wouldn't be realistic or true to the comic i just hope they do it in some way that isn't like "i say that coming" sort of way like it was a dream he was having when he fell asleep and it ends with lee, clem and all the people u let on the boat riding off into the river because if it ends with lee just dieing then what was the point in having kenny and the whole group risking their lives for getting suppiles for the boat and omid. which brings to another question maybe season 2 is with the same characters traveling west because going to crawford would have been for nothing if lee just dies trying or after he saves clem

[MaddogIsBoss]

i would just like to see lee live some how, forget all that crap on how it wouldn't be realistic or true to the comic i just hope they do it in some way that isn't like "i say that coming" sort of way like it was a dream he was having when he fell asleep and it ends with lee, clem and all the people u let on the boat riding off into the river because if it ends with lee just dieing then what was the point in having kenny and the whole group risking their lives for getting suppiles for the boat and omid. which brings to another question maybe season 2 is with the same characters traveling west because going to crawford would have been for nothing if lee just dies trying or after he saves clem

[WowMutt]

I think it's kind of pointless to kill off Lee, but whatever. If you guys didn't see this coming then shame on you.

Alot of us saw this coming around Episode 1.. Sure it was all just a guess then how the season would end, so I'm not surprised at all.. It's just that the way the scene was done, leaves it open for speculation!

If TT had made it a close-up of the walker ripping away a huge chunk of Lee's wrist and he yelled, we wouldnt be having this discussion!

[AceStarr]

He can survive but there is only two options

1) Chop off his arm and hope he survives the shock of it

2) Somebody has a cure


#2 Is highly unlikely


#1 is more believeble and possible an it also can get him to season 2 atleast for the first episode of it cause like i said he has to battle the shock and fever that comes with choping off his arm.

[Ghositex]

I just don't have words for this. The cliffhanger was just way too awesome! Everything happened in such a short time, I can't even explain the way this made me feel, specially after everyone chose to go with me. Anyway, overall, the episode was really well made, I really liked the fact that we had a timer for nearly all the dialog options, we sometimes could just choose two of the three available options, which made me love the timer-stress even more! Now, talking about the story, telltale said we'd hate them if they did they job properly... I'm going to stab everyone at telltale...

[TheNNerdGamer]

Yeah, because wasn't it Ben who said "it's not the bite that gets you."

I mean in this game have we ever seen anyone take a wound from a Zombie and not die, or take a scratch or anything of that nature and not die outright?

Usually when one take the first bite they get dragged down or pulled and that's end of story.

I don't think Lee is gonna die. Or...he might and then when he dies Clem is finally reunited with her mother and it is is Clem who has to put a bullet in his head.

Oh...how..dramatic!

well crawford is done so its probable that her mother is dead

[miguelr23]

why tt let us know that lee was bitten on the end of 4 episode?we can see the end of ep 5 already(saving clem and get headshotted by her or suicide);he may be imune to the bite infection but anyway if is going to die by the bite they only should showed at ep 5

[CapnJay]

Lee is going to die. whether it's on screen or not is the only question

[LokiHavok]

Perhaps Lee will search. But the likelihood of her parents being alive is like slim-to-none. And the chances that they're Walkers is almost certain, we forget that Walkers are nomadic eating machines.

They're just not likely in Savannah anymore, given the horde dynamic...

[Finnisher]

If Lee were to survive, he would need Vernon very fast.

[FarmerJoe]

The only problem I have with Lee dying is that it it makes any kind of dilemma that could of come up if he had found one or both of Clem's parents alive irrelevant.
It would of been a no brainer for me but I would of been interested to see how many players would do a "Jolene" and tried to have kept Clem to themselves.

Now it's not even a choice because Lee has no hope for any kind of a future.

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

I think it's kind of pointless to kill off Lee, but whatever. If you guys didn't see this coming then shame on you.

Lots of people said they expected Lee to die... I hoped they wouldn't kill him off. The player character is the only character I'd have really wanted to not see dead.

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

why tt let us know that lee was bitten on the end of 4 episode?we can see the end of ep 5 already(saving clem and get headshotted by her or suicide);he may be imune to the bite infection but anyway if is going to die by the bite they only should showed at ep 5

I wouldn't consider it unlikely that Clem gets bitten too. It would be So TWD (imo).

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

By the way, since we didn't actually get to see the real Crawford... I think the guy on the walkie talkie actually might belong to Crawford.

[Ghositex]

By the way, since we didn't actually get to see the real Crawford... I think the guy on the walkie talkie actually might belong to Crawford.

Wow, I never actually stopped a second to think about it, perhaps the walker guy is Crawford's leader itself! You just gave me a whole new point of view. The next question, WHAT does this guy WANT from Lee?

[Theschea]

Wow, I never actually stopped a second to think about it, perhaps the walker guy is Crawford's leader itself! You just gave me a whole new point of view. The next question, WHAT does this guy WANT from Lee?


Pretty sure the leader of Crawford was hanging on a noose at the top of the armoury, under the bell, already zombified. His hair seems to match with the hair on the man in the photos lying around pasted on the walls of the school that have the words 'supreme leader' writen on them or something.

Also, what do you guys mean by 'the real Crawford'? As far as I know there was only one Crawford and everyone in it died and turned into a walker.

[Bralef]

#1 is more believeble and possible an it also can get him to season 2 atleast for the first episode of it cause like i said he has to battle the shock and fever that comes with choping off his arm.

Chopping off his arm would only work if he did it extremely quickly after being bitten. By the time they reach the nuclear bunker, it's far too late for that to do any good.

[ommmnomnomnom]

I hope it isnt a staring into the sunset/sunrise death, that will be so weak...

Or the blow myself up to save everyone ending...

Or anykind of dream (unless lee is alive) :P

[CapnJay]

Chopping off his arm would only work if he did it extremely quickly after being bitten. By the time they reach the nuclear bunker, it's far too late for that to do any good.

So now Lee has only Clem to Lose. That makes him a VERY Dangerous man

[Eric Northman]

This is probably a stupid question since nobody in the Walking Dead universe has survived a walker bite but just curious. Is there no way he can just chop off his hand or does the bite spread very quickly? I just don't want him to die because he seems like the only one who can take care of Clementine and it would seem weird for someone like Kenny to do it. Unless her parents are alive, which I doubt.

Also, how come he wasn't already feeling ill after the bite? Duck started feeling down right after they left the motor inn on the RV while Lee was able to talk normally and make the trip to the morgue to find Clementine.

So yeah, is he hopeless or is there a slim chance the devs will defile the lore and get him cured?

Honestly, since they've never seen anyone survive a bite, it probably wouldn't occur to Lee that chopping off his hand would help in any way.

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

Pretty sure the leader of Crawford was hanging on a noose at the top of the armoury, under the bell, already zombified. His hair seems to match with the hair on the man in the photos lying around pasted on the walls of the school that have the words 'supreme leader' writen on them or something.

Also, what do you guys mean by 'the real Crawford'? As far as I know there was only one Crawford and everyone in it died and turned into a walker.

On Telltale's TWD page for Episode 4 it says something to the effect of "Face the biggest threat to Lee and Clementine yet." Now, while this could be just marketing I, personally, thought there was a lot of build-up for the Crawford reveal and we didn't really get to see much of anything, which is why I'm expecting to hear more about them in the last episode while also having something that ties into previous events.

[Viner16]

The biggest threat could be Walkie man though.

[DinosaurBill]

I hope it isnt a staring into the sunset/sunrise death, that will be so weak...

Or the blow myself up to save everyone ending...

Or anykind of dream (unless lee is alive) :P

Staring into the sunset/sunrise death has been done in both the the show and the comic. I wouldn't be surprised by it lol.

I agree with those who have said they think it happened to make it a no brainer as to whether Lee should sacrifice himself or let someone else look after Clementine or something along those lines.

[Noname215]

For all we know, he might have a supposed immunity.

[kikyouchanx]

I thought it was genius having Lee get bitten. The graphic novels and TV shows don't have an ending yet, and I was really curious how they were going to wrap up the story. Lee's inevitable death is a perfect way, and now that they have a 2nd season, he can either not be infected from the bite, or they can just drag out the story. Maybe in season 2 you're Clem?

COMIC SPOILER
The protagonist in the comics loses his hand/forearm (not to a zombie bite), i don't think it would be too far fetched to have the doctor amputate lee's arm to stop the infection, the bite he got was pretty minor so it seems plausible.

[RustyEnglish]

Different infections have different mortality rates. We could assume that this infection has a 100% mortality rate. However, we have to consider that there are two sources of infection: everyone is carrying one form that zombifies them at death, plus the infection that is passed by bite. We don't know the actual mortality rate for bite victims, as zombies usually kill their victims before the infection can take hold.

[Demopan]

Jesus, doesn't anyone here understand how blood flows? It goes fast. Very fast, to keep up heat in your body. It took seconds for Lee's bite infection to spread. In the time he took picking up the walkie and inspecting his bite, he was already doomed. Try cutting off circulation in your arm. Then, wait until you feel something in it again. That's exactly how fast blood can flow. Doesn't take long, and Lee is going to die. Get over it.

[dankirk]

I just finished my second playthrough, and I'm not 100% sure he was bitten. The marks look like they could be abrasions from anything, maybe the falling plywood...

They definately were just surface abrasions. and did not appear to be bleeding. Maybe his bloodstream is safe...

[LokiHavok]

Except they're two mirror opposite crescents
And if it was a surface abrasion. Lee would be the first to know.
He most definitely reacted like it was a bite.
The fear and despair evident in his voice.

We even heard a juicy chomping sound..
There really is no denying it...

[dankirk]

Except they're two mirror opposite crescents
And if it was a surface abrasion. Lee would be the first to know.
He most definitely reacted like it was a bite.
The fear and despair evident in his voice.

We even heard a juicy chomping sound..
There really is no denying it...

Playing Devil's Advocate here... The fear and despair could easily be from worrying about Clem. The stress was adding up. Clem was gone, her hat was in the yard, the radio was on the street, and he just had a very close encounter with a walker. With all the adrenaline and emotions rushing through him, I doubt Lee could feel much of anything other than fear and despair. The marks may just be spattered blood, and Lee assumes the worst because of all the other bad crap happening right then.

I can't wait for Ep5 to find out!

[LokiHavok]

Alright Al Pacino.
Explain the juicy chomping sound effects tho??? lol

[pokemario20]

I think you may control a more mature Clementine due to the cliff hanger at the end ^-^

[Dameon2k]

As someone who will start on Five tomorrow after finishing 3 and 4 over the weekend I do think its possible Lee could survive but only if he is immune. I'm not caught up on the comics but to the point I've read there is no one that has been immune. However in all the diseases we have in the world that do not have a cure many have some people that are immune including Cancer. So it isn't far fetched that some people would be immune. That however is the only possible scenario I can see for Lee surviving. That is a bite mark clear as day. Even before he showed it I thought I saw the Walker get me. Losing Lee will suck. I have gotten rather attached to him....

[Rambo297]

He COULD HAVE survived if his left arm had been immediately amputated, but it's been far too long since he was bitten for that to work. The group didn't even have anything to cut it off with, so as soon as that walker broke flesh Lee was a dead man.

Anyway, i think he died of blood loss, not the bite (if he chopped his hand). We can see this if we play both with arm and without arm. With arm he will pass out several times, when without hand, he will just... keep going...

[Neilny91]

Anyway, i think he died of blood loss, not the bite (if he chopped his hand). We can see this if we play both with arm and without arm. With arm he will pass out several times, when without hand, he will just... keep going...
Dude that was just Telltale giving you straws to grasp at...I remember rationalizing the bite saying the fainting spell in the hoard was just blood loss, but when Lee wakes up and you see his eyes...you know its over