The unofficial fate of Ben poll.

[AsariTears]

So, here we are.. Everyone who said Pre-Ep4 that they wanted the option to kill Ben because of all the crap that happened previously.

Did you follow through or not?

Me, at first I did because I figured that knowing how these games have gone previously that if I tried to rescue him, something stupid would have happened and he would have fallen to his death anyway. But then as he smashed into the ground at the bottom of the stairwell, crying as the walkers started to eat him...

Well, I was like "damnnn lol that's really f*@king cold..."

So I rewound to see if I could actually save his stupid @ss. To my surprise, yes I could. And I'm glad I did too because when convincing him to come help search for Clementine. I told him that she was basically the reason he's still alive. And as a result he said "By the end of all this, I will make it up to everyone." Then the plotmarker checked at the top left noting that "You gave Ben the chance to prove himself", I wont forget that Telltale.;)

[skepticalguy90]

Yeah in TWD, don't be surprised if you get crapped on for doing the right thing :D

[Gary Whitta]

Rewinding = lame. LIVE WITH YOUR DECISION.

[Gary Whitta]

Also, the save/drop stat has been moving more toward dropping him lately. Started out around 70/30, now it's closer to 60/40.

[AsariTears]

Rewinding = lame. LIVE WITH YOUR DECISION.


tbh, that was only the second time I rewound. The first time was when I was trying to get down those stairs to stop Clementine eating the meat. lol my phone went off and it distracted me from the game. Crappy timing but watevs.

Edit: There's now a poll btw.

[KingOfTheDead]

Gary is there a chance molly will appear next episode because i heard in an interview some writer from the game confirmed it

[AsariTears]

Gary is there a chance molly will appear next episode because i heard in an interview some writer from the game confirmed it


I'd love to have this! Molly is amazing! :D

But how would he know?

[KingOfTheDead]

I'd love to have this! Molly is amazing! :D

But how would he know?

he wrote episode four :3

[AsariTears]

he wrote episode four :3

lol may be the cynic in me but I find it hard to believe.

[KingOfTheDead]

lol may be the cynic in me but I find it hard to believe.

you can look it up

[Gary Whitta]

Gary is there a chance molly will appear next episode because i heard in an interview some writer from the game confirmed it
I saw that thread; seems like a case of confusion or wishful thinking. I've never said one word about Molly in any interview since all the interviews I've done were before Ep4 even came out.

[AsariTears]

you can look it up


Just did,

@Gary, honestly. Congratulations! I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, did you write it alone or with a team?

[Cyreen]

Gary is there a chance molly will appear next episode...

Not to mention, confirming or denying a rumor would be a spoiler. :p

[KingOfTheDead]

i think this was the best episode @gary but was this how this was originaly gonna happen just speculating seeing how on the picture of the episode hes wearing the ep. 2 costume and i don't think he would have the bite with it

[Kiel555]

So, here we are.. Everyone who said Pre-Ep4 that they wanted the option to kill Ben because of all the crap that happened previously.

Did you follow through or not?

Me, at first I did because I figured that knowing how these games have gone previously that if I tried to rescue him, something stupid would have happened and he would have fallen to his death anyway. But then as he smashed into the ground at the bottom of the stairwell, crying as the walkers started to eat him...

Well, I was like "damnnn lol that's really f*@king cold..."

So I rewound to see if I could actually save his stupid @ss. To my surprise, yes I could. And I'm glad I did too because when convincing him to come help search for Clementine. I told him that she was basically the reason he's still alive. And as a result he said "By the end of all this, I will make it up to everyone." Then the plotmarker checked at the top left noting that "You gave Ben the chance to prove himself", I wont forget that Telltale.;)

Oh...I let him die. Ever since he admitted to being the traitor I've wanted him dead. No rewind in my game. Ben was a traitor and a continuing threat to the group by means of gross incompetence and cowardice.

He did die a horrible death but no pity for traitors in my game.

[AsariTears]

Looks like another full playthrough is in store. Will make sure I'm ready at the "dinner" incident so i don't use ANY rewinds :P

[DreadMagus]

Changed my mind, and saved him.

[TheNNerdGamer]

i saved ben

[Rock114]

Nice job on Episode 4 Gary, it was awesome! It felt like I got kicked in the gut after I killed Ben and found out he would have lived afterward, so great job making me miss a character that was at the bottom of my priorities list! And since I don't believe in rewinding, I guess I have to live with it...

[Phoenix VII]

I picked the third option. I never really wanted to kill him, just throw him out of the group, but between the game not giving you the opportunity to tell him to leave and nearly getting the group killed at Crawford by taking the hatchet that was barring the main door, I had it with the disaster zone...I just had to let him go.

[AsariTears]

Nice job on Episode 4 Gary, it was awesome! It felt like I got kicked in the gut after I killed Ben and found out he would have lived afterward, so great job making me miss a character that was at the bottom of my priorities list! And since I don't believe in rewinding, I guess I have to live with it...


I think this is what will happen on my next playthrough, my instinct reaction was to drop him, and only rewound to see if you actually "could" rescue him. When I found out you could. I didn't bother reloading again. But still, my gut reaction was to drop him, so I suppose I should have lived with that.

I got through all of Ep's 1 and 3 without rewinding. So I'm going to stick with 3/5. No matter what dumb choices I make in Ep5.

I do have one complaint though Gary, if you ever read this;

WHY YOU KILL LEE FOR!?

[AsariTears]

Also, the save/drop stat has been moving more toward dropping him lately. Started out around 70/30, now it's closer to 60/40.


Probably because all the people waiting for Ep4 to kill him were the first to play the episode ;)

[Rock114]

I think this is what will happen on my next playthrough, my instinct reaction was to drop him, and only rewound to see if you actually "could" rescue him. When I found out you could. I didn't bother reloading again. But still, my gut reaction was to drop him, so I suppose I should have lived with that.

I got through all of Ep's 1 and 3 without rewinding. So I'm going to stick with 3/5. No matter what dumb choices I make in Ep5.

I do have one complaint though Gary, if you ever read this;

WHY YOU KILL LEE FOR!?

Believe me, after finding out Ben COULD have lived it was a bit of a struggle to not rewinf and live with my choices, even if Lee won't be doing much "living" from this point on.

[rachellouise85]

I thought he was going to die whatever I chose, but thought I would try to save him anyway.

[sparkzfly]

He was responsible for 3 deaths, true they weren't direct - but he was stupid and made very poor decisions. He killed Carley, Katjaa & Duck - if he had just been honest with Lilly then he probably would have saved Carley, and if he hadn't done it in the first place then Duck was unlikely to be bitten.

He ALSO then took the axe out of the door and probably then caused the death of Brie. He NEVER looked out for Clementine, and he let Kenny get wasted. He also almost left Clem to her death at the beginning of Ep. 4.

So yes, I dropped him. He was a liability and didn't deserve another chance. I feel bad after his screams, but I'm not going to rewind it. I did what i would've done :3

And no "Aw, he's only young", Clem has been 10x the help than he has!

phew /rant over

[oraclekun]

Rewinding = lame. LIVE WITH YOUR DECISION.
First and only time I did a rewind, Kenny ratting you out in front of Clem was just subpar writing.

Please note how many members of the gang know that Kenny dropped a salt block on top of somebody's head. Seeing that even Katjaa in the next episode doesn't know what happened unless you told her means no one besides Lee and Clem. And Lee also didn't tell any of the new arrivals.

If the group had been aware that Kenny will kill you the first sign of cardiac arrest (unless you're not related to him), you'd think they let him be the prick he has been so far? Lee has been doing him a huge favor for a long time.

And then for him to then announce to the whole group you killed Ben without giving you a proper response was weird. Let me generalize and go for the two possible Kenny-Lee relationships. In both of these realities this response made no sense.

The first one is where Kenny and Lee are best buds. In that case: Why did Kenny rat him out to the group first change he got, even in front of Clem for crying out loud. As a father I bet he never told Duck what happened, he owes Lee better. Again, he never told anyone he killed Larry so he seems to be aware that telling people things like this is a bad idea.

And the second relationship (like in my game) is were Kenny is a *swear!* and Lee and him should really take up couple counseling. Kenny is a mental wreck, Lee should have been offered to option to call Kenny a liar and insist Ben just slipped out of his hands. Then, Lee's behavior up till that point (his voting behavior in the Ben situation especially) should have been the factor in getting away with it. People could still be suspicious and wary, but I think most would give Lee the benefit of the doubt. This might prove the final breaking point between Kenny and Lee but I would have gladly accepted those circumstances.

That entire scene was nothing but a cop out.

[FarmerJoe]

@oraclekun
Kenny blurting out that you dropped Ben fits his impulsive nature,he also tells the group about what Lee did with the bitten woman in episode 3, and he did have a grudge against Ben.He was pleased that Ben died, say it out loud and proud Kenny!

I find it a little strange that some players want to kill but only if Clementine doesnt ever know what their Lee is truly like(Clem likes Ben and considers him a friend), what a deceptive relationship.I would imagine that Clementine would feel betrayed if she somehow found out in the future,most secrets tend to come out in the end.
If your Lee is willing to kill or let someone die why not try to justify it?

[RafaelBrasileiro]

I changed my mind and saved him, it's not him That l want to kill.
But Clem had no influence on that choice.

[AsariTears]

So let me get this right... If you don't drop Ben. Kenny resents you for not doing it.

But if you do drop Ben, Kenny calls you out to the group no matter what, calling you a murderer?

[shedim]

So let me get this right... If you don't drop Ben. Kenny resents you for not doing it.

But if you do drop Ben, Kenny calls you out to the group no matter what, calling you a murderer?

Correct.

Also, the save/drop stat has been moving more toward dropping him lately. Started out around 70/30, now it's closer to 60/40.

That's because people are rewinding the episode in order to see how the finale turns out to be, if you bring idiot Ben with you. I bet a lot of them expect him to redeem himself - and I sincerely hope he's going to fuck up huge once again, as usual!

[AsariTears]

Yea okay, Kenny's an asshole.

[skepticalguy90]

So let me get this right... If you don't drop Ben. Kenny resents you for not doing it.

But if you do drop Ben, Kenny calls you out to the group no matter what, calling you a murderer?

He doesn't call you a murderer, he just says you did what needed to be done.

[FarmerJoe]

So let me get this right... If you don't drop Ben. Kenny resents you for not doing it.

But if you do drop Ben, Kenny calls you out to the group no matter what, calling you a murderer?

Kenny wants Ben dead so he's glad Lee dropped him and wants to share the good news with the group! :p

[Phoenix VII]

Yeah, Kenny actually defends you saying you did what you had to, it's just that he displays the typical lack of tact doing so. If anything, he was perfectly happy that Disaster Ben was gone, and just wanted to celebrate with everyone, again, with his typical lack of tact.

[AsariTears]

Oh I see.... But to do it infront of Clementine.. Does that make you lose points with her?

[Phoenix VII]

I told her that Ben died a hero that didn't want to be saved because it would've put Lee in too much danger and she said that she understands and adds that Ben was a good person, which Lee will then agree with, so I don't think you lose points with that reply at least. I'm not sure about the other replies.

[Epicz]

I saved ben coz the more people, The more Help !

[QuarterPounderVlad]

I hate Ben, Yet I pulled him up.

[oraclekun]

Yeah, Kenny actually defends you saying you did what you had to, it's just that he displays the typical lack of tact doing so. If anything, he was perfectly happy that Disaster Ben was gone, and just wanted to celebrate with everyone, again, with his typical lack of tact.
See again, I'd like to point out the whole Larry situation were he was able to perfectly capable of not telling anyone what exactly happened. He was pretty convinced that this was the right time to do. And in that episode he was capable of formulate a hidden plan against the farm boys with Lee.
I'm also pretty sure he hasn't told anyone about letting Shane die.

He also hid the fact someone was on the other end of the walkie talkie.

He seems perfectly able to hide things when it's in his own interest.

[Wrighty]

My Lee's just not the type to kill a guy for making mistakes, no matter how stupid or costly they were. If I got the chance, I might give him a gun and supplies and send him away but not let him fall, break his legs and then get eaten.

Kinda off topic but I watches footage of someone dropping Ben and wow! The scream and then it looked like he broke his legs. Finished with him on the floor unable to move while walkers moved in to eat him alive. How do you Ben killers sleep at night? :P

[Rock114]

My Lee's just not the type to kill a guy for making mistakes, no matter how stupid or costly they were. If I got the chance, I might give him a gun and supplies and send him away but not let him fall, break his legs and then get eaten.

Kinda off topic but I watches footage of someone dropping Ben and wow! The scream and then it looked like he broke his legs. Finished with him on the floor unable to move while walkers moved in to eat him alive. How do you Ben killers sleep at night? :P

Lots and lots of pills.

Anyways, I fucked up when I dropped him. After I saw that he only broke his legs, I was all "God what have I done?!" I'll never drop him in any OTHER playthrough, but for some reason I like to live with my choices. Especially this one, the ONLY one so far I'd change if I had the chance.

[dustpuffs]

Ben is like my actual best friend in life. They are both chickens who would be worthless in a life or death battle. They both have the common sense of a turnip. Their heart's are in the right place. I saved him.

[Phoenix VII]

Kinda off topic but I watches footage of someone dropping Ben and wow! The scream and then it looked like he broke his legs. Finished with him on the floor unable to move while walkers moved in to eat him alive. How do you Ben killers sleep at night? :PProbably the same way the Ben saviors do.:p Seriously, when the group was talking about raiding Crawford, I was looking at the screen just waiting for the option that lets you tell Ben to stay in the house to appear, but that didn't happen and Kenny had to convince him to come. My Lee needed lots of pills to sleep when Ben was around because, like me, he feared Ben more than any external threat.

[thebigbad]

I never really had the desire to kill him, which perhaps makes it even more surprising that I did, in fact, drop him. Him leaving Clem in danger was a major strike against him and that, combined with his continued incompetance and the fact that he actually asked me to let him go made me do it. And then I regretted it almost immediately afterwards but by then it was done. I made a bad call and now I have to live with it, which is one of the reasons why I love this game.

[Vorador]

I want to start with saying that I tried to play Lee as a human character who makes tough decisions and does everything to keep Clementine safe, even if it meant some moral shadiness.

Though I am aware that Ben's betrayal (trading with bandits), lying (not admitting it and thus getting Carley killed), dumbness (taking the axe locking the door), etc. is human (especially under such exceptional circumstances) it made me dislike him.
I'd appreciated it if we had been given the chance to part with certain people you deem a threat to the group/Clem. That being not an option game-play wise I chose not do shoot the walker when he grabbed Ben at the bell tower and consequently both fell down and Ben got swarmed by walkers. At that moment nobody was in the tower any more and Kenny didn't look through the window like in the version where you shoot the walker and decide whether to pull Ben up or not. Back in the house, Kenny still commented on me having done the right thing about Ben in front of Clementine! For me that was a major slip-up.

[Mornai]

I judged my fellow survivors' mistakes not by their actions, but by their emotions behind them. As i held Ben's life in my hands, i looked at him and thought, "Does this kid want to hurt us? Does he wish harm upon any of us?" That answer was no, and the only thing i needed to pull him up.

Maybe my thoughts would begin to change depending on the severity of his mistakes(for example, if he accidentally shot and killed Clementine, we'd have major issues) but at that moment in Crawford, he had not done anything bad enough to guarantee a death. Just as well, it is not my place to decide the fate of a life, and i refused to be responsible for his death regardless of my feelings.


Back in the house, Kenny still commented on me having done the right thing about Ben in front of Clementine! For me that was a major slip-up.

You could say Kenny heard Ben screaming "Lee, please!" when he's grabbed by the walker, and knowing that Lee had a gun, didn't hear any gunshots, and came down without Ben, he could assume that Lee did not save him.

[aperose]

It drives me crazy that so many people hated Ben and then to preserve their sense of self-righteousness "saved" him. Some people don't deserve to be helped and saving the group is more important that one incompetent person. Just my opinion.

[Sutinen]

He wasn't an evil guy, so I didn't kill him. As simple as that.
On the other hand, I wanted to kill the Stranger the first time I heard his voice.

[The Fallen]

None of the poll options suited me.

I wanted to kill him and so i did. I didn't enjoy it, but i dont regret it.

I dont think he was a bad man, but he was a danger to everyone, caused a number of better people than him to die and i'd had enough of his excuses. If wanted to die then i wasn't going to stand in his way.

[Robert Morgan]

Rewinding = lame. LIVE WITH YOUR DECISION.

I live with my decisions all the time in real life. This is a video game. If I want to correct an action that I feel was a mistake, I'll correct it. Simple as that.

[Bobs]

I judged my fellow survivors' mistakes not by their actions, but by their emotions behind them. As i held Ben's life in my hands, i looked at him and though, "Does this kid want to hurt us? Does he wish harm upon any of us?" That answer was no, and the only thing i needed to pull him up.

I agree.

I don't understand why so many kill Ben. He's just a kid. Of course he fucked up, but he didn't betray the group out of selfishness, he wanted to help. I guess the bandits would have raided the motor inn if he had not made that deal.

[The Fallen]

I agree.

I don't understand why so many kill Ben. He's just a kid. Of course he fucked up, but he didn't betray the group out of selfishness, he wanted to help. I guess the bandits would have raided the motor inn if he had not made that deal.

The says himself the reason he made the deal was that they convinced him they had his friend, that's not him wanting to help. He knew he was betraying the group, betraying is a harsh word i admit, but the closest to being accurate.

Ultimately though i dropped him because he was the grim reaper to anyone around him, and had caused some very avoidable deaths of good people, sometimes through fuck ups and others out of cowardice, so i thought i'd take the decision to protect everyone else over protecting him.

Ultimately in hindsight since him being around in episode 5 doesn't cause any more deaths than him being dead im more inclined to keep around (although i still dislike him), but especially with 5 being the last episode i couldn't have known that at the time.

It was actually the decision i took the longest to make in the game, had to pause it for some time.

[GREYxDUZxKRUSH]

I cursed at ben as i pulled ben up.I thought its a numbers game the more people in the group better chance lee/clem have surviving.Even if ben is weak maybe he will get killed first.giving strong chance to getaway.Ben Is WORTHLESS.

[eyetiger]

Killing Ben is my most conflicted choice of the game.

I goaded him into spilling the beans to Kenny. I voted him off the island. I let the bell zombie kill him. That third one, though, perhaps took it too far. But you can't take death back! Ben is a dangerous liability, but did he deserve that death?

Molly left. I can't help but think it was because we're to similar to Crawford. In our group, the strong prevail, and the liabilities are eliminated.

Clementine was crying. Killing Ben may have protected her from physical harm, but it caused her such anguish, and possibly made her easier to kidnap.

On the plus side, everyone's helping me find Clem.

The kidnapper will pay, and dearly!

[eyetiger]

And congratulations to Tell Tale Games. It's obvious a success of the game and this episode that we're even having these conversations and thinking so much about our in-game choices. :)

[Mikejames]

Rewinding = lame. LIVE WITH YOUR DECISION.

This is why Clementine remains scarred by the sight of me butchering someone with a pitchfork three feet in front of her....