Cross Statistic Analysis - Doug/Ben decision.

[NeonBlade]

So far we know that 76% of the Misandrists, Traditionalists, Feminists, and Sex Crazed Primates chose Carley in Episode 1, and only 23% chose to save Doug.

What I would love to see is the breakdown of those that saved Doug, when he died in his scenario with Ben.

How many of the those that saved Doug, chose to pull Ben up in the Bell Tower. I think that would be an interesting dynamic to analyse the psychology behind that decision.

I saved Doug and pulled Ben up....how many others did the same?

[Degenerate10]

I saved Carley and pulled Ben up

[TWDFTW]

I saved Carley, because she has a gun (Doug has nothing which could really help much, although I played on the iPad and if you save him he creates these bell things when the St John brothers are coming down the road, it alerts you so you all duck down and hide) and she said she would conceal your secret from the rest of the group, and she saved your ass when you first arrive in Macon and your about to be killed by the zombies, despite the fact she was told not to and went against Lilly's orders which I thought was big of her.

I dropped Ben because I pressed the wrong button, I wanted to pull him up, because I figured I could use an extra pair of hands and I wasn't going to give him the nobility just like that, he deserves to live and feel guilt. But I was shocked, panicking and I was shaking like shit, I pressed the wrong button and he fell, I was like 'nononoooo!!!!'

[ZacTB]

I saved Carley and pulled Ben up

Same here. When I do my second playthrough I am saving Doug and letting Ben drop.

[Viser]

I think it's a bit disrespectful to call those who saved Carley all those adjectives, but I saved Doug and pulled Ben up. But the fact that I saved him probably has to do with watching an episode 1 playthrough beforehand, which is what got me to buy the game in the first place. I thought it was unfair that the majority of people had saved Carley and left Doug to die, so I thought I'd save him because I imagined he'd be just as awesome as Carley. Don't regret it one bit. But had I not watched the playthrough, I'd probably have saved Carley thinking she'd be able to shoot the walkers on Doug.

[ItsCleo]

On my first playthrough, I saved Doug - because I simply thought he would be more useful to me than Carley. I also chose to save Shawn instead of Duck for the same reason and I saved Ben because to drop him would be the same as murdering him in cold blood. I've gone back and done everything different in my second game, except, I always save Ben. There's no justification to drop him ever, it's just not right.

[Rock114]

Thank you for insulting everyone who saved Carley just because they made a different choice than you did OP.

I dropped Ben for a number of reasons, that I have stated many times in other threads that I don't feel like typing them all up again, but suffice to say it was, in fact, NOT (gasp!) for revenge, or because I thought he was useless, or because I didn't like his dirty clothes.

[slough]

I saved Doug and I pulled Ben up. Nice implications about people who saved Carley, though! As much as I don't like Carley as a character, I completely understand why people save her, and it's not always, or even often, for those reasons.

[TheNNerdGamer]

I saved Doug and I pulled Ben up. Nice implications about people who saved Carley, though! As much as I don't like Carley as a character, I completely understand why people save her, and it's not always, or even often, for those reasons.

bromance :eek:
just kidding

[TheNNerdGamer]

Thank you for insulting everyone who saved Carley just because they made a different choice than you did OP.

I dropped Ben for a number of reasons, that I have stated many times in other threads that I don't feel like typing them all up again, but suffice to say it was, in fact, NOT (gasp!) for revenge, or because I thought he was useless, or because I didn't like his dirty clothes.

Ben seems to relate to teens.
teens can be stupid, annoying,and cheezy.
those are the things Ben IS.
he seems to be between 15 to 20.
his indirect killings was for stupidity, which all comes down to teen years.

[Rock114]

bromance :eek:
just kidding

Bromance with Doug? I've already got a sweet one going with Kenny.

[xXNinjaScoreXx]

I saved Doug (Obviously *Look Down*) and I pulled Ben up, after his run on with how it was all his fault, I decided he still had a chance to turn his death counter (Larry, Doug, Carley, Duck, Katjaa, Brie) around ;D

[Saracenar]

I saved Doug and pulled Ben up. I couldn't let Ben die (I wasn't really out for his blood anyway, as I don't really think he is to blame for all the tragedy that befell the group).

He didn't want to come along with me to find Clem though.

[NeonBlade]

So basically it seems that those that saved Carley where she was shot in the most stupid fashion possible mind you; that broke the entire narrative of the game, and those that dropped Ben enacted some form of pseudo masculine "Alpha Male" - White Knight revenge justice?


The scenario where Doug was shot was much more believable, it was in the heat of the moment, chaotic nature. Well because Doug was the better written character in the context of the narrative and how it all flowed together.

[-Anna-]

Er, why are you labelling people? I'm a member of a feminist collective in my city and I didn't choose Carley. Being supportive for women doesn't mean we want to kill men; just like how supporting a cat shelter doesn't mean you want to kill dogs. >_>

Moving on...

I chose to save Doug because I thought Carley was able to save herself at the time.

However, since I have realised that we had a choice, I still felt like Doug was best for the group's needs. He had technical knowledge nobody else presented. His conservative way of dealing with a situation (making a distracting noise elsewhere, using a laser pointer, using an alarm system) was pretty neat. Also, his body weight would be useful for holding down doors; and we already knew that he risks his life to save others. (Carley mentions this in a story and we see this characteristic again during the episode 3 argument.) As Larry had air force training, he would have known how to shoot targets just as well as Carley; and would have taught Lilly too. So shooting is covered, anyway.

I also saved Ben. He is a growing teenager and will make mistakes now and learn from them later. I imagine most teenagers during a zombie apocalypse will misjudge situations and solutions. Not necessary to kill every one of them. :P

[NessaT]

So basically it seems that those that saved Carley where she was shot in the most stupid fashion possible mind you; that broke the entire narrative of the game, and those that dropped Ben enacted some form of pseudo masculine "Alpha Male" - White Knight revenge justice?

The scenario where Doug was shot was much more believable, it was in the heat of the moment, chaotic nature. Well because Doug was the better written character in the context of the narrative and how it all flowed together.

I saved Carley and saved Ben. So... I don't know what you're talking about.

And I'm not sure what you mean by Doug getting killed is more believable than Carley's death. Doug stood out like a sore thumb - he didn't really belong to the group and he didn't add any insight to Lee's story. He was like Omid - placed there for comic relief.

Nevertheless, I liked both characters. However, I prefer the chemistry between Lee and Carley as opposed to Doug / Lee.

I saved Ben because it's the right thing to do. Simple as that.

[TWDFTW]

People saved and didn't save the different characters for a range of reasons, so leave them alone, it's not fair on people who saved Carley to be called stuff vice versa.

Take a chill pill if your taking this game wayyyy too seriously. XD

[Devlonir]

I saved Carley and dropped Ben.

I saved Carley because I felt she was more useful with her sharp aim. She also showed me loyalty early by not sharing her knowledge of my past to everyone.

I dropped ben because he literally asked for it. He realised he screwed up and caused unnecessary deaths. He felt he should at least make his own death worth something. I dropped him because I understood that wish and did not want to take it away from him. Don't forget: he already released himself from your arm, so he really was willing to let go himself already.

[ZacTB]

The only reason I saved Carley is because I am a sex crazed primate.

[Malphaxis]

Carley saved me in the street, so I saved Carley when given the choice.
Ben secretly deals with the raiders, wont own up 'till its way too late, runs out on Clem, takes the axe out of the door handles, wont keep his guilty feelings to himself & then says drop me?
It's been real buddy.. see ya.

[Gennadios]

Official stats are:

74.6 Carley 23.6 Doug

58.3 Kept Lilly 41.7 Left Lilly
66.6 Saved Ben 33.4 Dropped Ben

The stats themselves don't say much because you can't really break down the choices of the individual camps, however, despite the fact that Carley had the majority of support, the percentage of people that Kept Lilly around is a decent majority. Implying that they were all frothing at the mouth with blind rage is kind of misleading.

Also, fewer people dropped Ben than chose to leave Lilly behind, so it's fair to assume that people Blame Lilly for the death of Carley more than they blame Ben. So much for Misandry.

[FollowLilly]

I try to save anyone that needs help.
1. Sean was pinned under the tractor with no way to get it off, the walkers on Duck were obstructed by the fence, if Duck even fell off the tractor, he would have escaped them himself.
2. Doug was pinned against the wall, with no way to fight back, Carley had 1 walker on her foot, that could have been handled with a swift kick, she chose to stand there and die
3. Larry was dying and needed help, I revived him
4. Omid was hurt, Christa was fine, I helped Omid
5. Ben was going to die without being pulled up, I helped him up.

[NeonBlade]

Official stats are:

74.6 Carley 23.6 Doug

58.3 Kept Lilly 41.7 Left Lilly
66.6 Saved Ben 33.4 Dropped Ben

The stats themselves don't say much because you can't really break down the choices of the individual camps, however, despite the fact that Carley had the majority of support, the percentage of people that Kept Lilly around is a decent majority. Implying that they were all frothing at the mouth with blind rage is kind of misleading.

Also, fewer people dropped Ben than chose to leave Lilly behind, so it's fair to assume that people Blame Lilly for the death of Carley more than they blame Ben. So much for Misandry.

This is, actually a great post.

[dustpuffs]

I saved Doug because I liked his character more than Carley. I saved Ben because as much as we all like to think we won't be the dumb ass of the group in a bad situation, someone is bound to be, and I feel like we need to cut them a little slack.

[ThinkSharp]

I saved Doug.
Honestly, my first reaction was to save Doug because I didn't realize Carley was out of ammo and would just shoot herself free. Then I was like :eek: rewind.
But then, retroactively, still saved him. Thought process: Doug already showed ingenuity in finding ways to survive with what's on hand (i.e. remote) while Carley couldn't even figure out how to put batteries in a radio properly. Carley was a good shot while Doug was pretty useless on the combat end. However, ammo runs out; ingenuity is always needed.

I saved Ben.
He effed up countless times but his intentions were, at least, valid.

The character I have wanted to blame/revenge kill is Kenny--not going to lie. His stubbornness has gotten more people killed pointlessly than anyone else--the Ben choice included. Lilly would have fallen here too, if she wasn't already gone by this point.

[HiggsBoson2142]

Saved Doug. He was a bro. Met Ben. Fed him. Was nice to him. All the time. He got three killed, and put everyone in danger. He abandoned Clem. And I was always nice to him. So yes, I pulled him up. That answer your question?

[Chanut_N]

Here is my logic: If Doug were skillful at a gun I would have let Carley Die.

[Zylinderknopf]

I saved Carley, because she had a gun. Furthermore Doug is fat.

I also saved Ben.