The Last Choice [SPOILERS!]

[GoFigure]

Ok, so

I'm talking about the choice to prevent Lee from turning or not.

My choice in my first playthrough was to make Clem leave Lee behind, handcuffed.

Reasoning:
- Secure option. Lee is handcuffed, couldn't make any harm unless someone went hugging him after reanimation.
- No point to waste a bullet. Resources are pretty scarce.
- No point to risk the noise, as Lee pointed it out.

Plus! I didn't want to make Clem to shoot people she (probably?) viewed as her family. Not when theres another option. No matter how smart and mature she is for her age. No matter how much I want her to grow up fast in the world gone to Z.

I was little surprised to notice that most people didn't pick the same option. Last I checked the ratio was 33-67. I'd like to hear why people did end up picking the option to kill Lee.

I'm not trying to provoke anybody or say your choice was wrong. Just want to hear why people pick... what they picked.

P.S. Damn cliffhangers.

[Matt7895]

I did the same. My philosophy in these situations is always to conserve bullets. I approach a potential zombie apocalypse scenario the way Max Brooks advises in his books "The Zombie Survival Guide" and "World War Z". Keeping well stocked with supplies and ammo is paramount, as is keeping unwarranted noise to a minimum. At one moment I actually thought Clem was going to shoot Lee anyway, which I would have been fine with. But playing Lee, I tried to be as rational as I could.

[Chanut_N]

the same with Kenny and Duck

I didn't want him to kill Duck so I didn't want Clem to kill Lee

[GoFigure]

Snippety.

I really have to get those books sometime.

Can't say I was rational the whole game though. For example, I did not steal from the station wagon but not before I put some serious thought in it.

[voteDC]

I had Clem shoot me because I wanted to teach her one last lesson. That sometimes you are going to have to do things you really don't want to in order to survive.

To me that was worth a bullet.

[Chanut_N]

I had Clem shoot me because I wanted to teach her one last lesson. That sometimes you are going to have to do things you really don't want to in order to survive.

To me that was worth a bullet.

If Clem is good enough to kill the living shit out of the radio guy I am sure she is more than capable of defending her self if required

[GoFigure]

I had Clem shoot me because I wanted to teach her one last lesson. That sometimes you are going to have to do things you really don't want to in order to survive.

To me that was worth a bullet.

Understood. But I believe the same lesson can be derived from the decision to make her leave Lee's side. Plus, I don't think she really wanted those zombie-guts to be smeared on her either.

I wouldn't personally put her at more risk just to teach her a lesson she probably knows already.

[voteDC]

If Clem is good enough to kill the living shit out of the radio guy I am sure she is more than capable of defending her self if requiredIt's different hurting someone you don't know than it is people you know and care for.

At some point she could find herself in a 'Larry' situation and I don't want her to hesitate because she's been travelling with them.

Understood. But I believe the same lesson can be derived from the decision to make her leave Lee's side. Plus, I don't think she really wanted those zombie-guts to be smeared on her either.

I wouldn't personally put her at more risk just to teach her a lesson she probably knows already.I can understand your point of view but for me it was a lesson she needed to learn, she needed to pull that trigger and know that Lee wasn't getting back up like her parents.

[slimymeteor]

I thought it'd be therapeutic for Clementine to shoot Lee. I had spent the whole game trying to shield her from everything terrible in this world, but as I lay handcuffed and dying, I knew I couldn't do so anymore. I also thought it would give her a better sense of closure with her relationship with Lee, and she'll never have to think of him as a walker.

[GoFigure]

Yes, I can understand it would be a good lesson on growning up. Therapeutic euthanasia (two words I've never used in a row!). But at this point I can only repeat myself.

1. reference case - Duck.
2. reference case - walker attacking Molly
3. reference case - The kidnapper/vengeful-station-wagon-guy

So she has already mastered the art of shooting things to the head, people and walkers alike. No lessons there.

I think, at least in Ducks case, she knows that sometimes you have to put loved ones down before they turn but only when it's absolutely necessary (hey, that's a lesson too! :o). I don't see much benefit in a practical lesson, not when theres risks and options.

[aguyuno]

If Clem is good enough to kill the living shit out of the radio guy I am sure she is more than capable of defending her self if requiredWait, what? Lee killed him in my file... how does Clem do it? Is it because you gave up your weapons?

[GoFigure]

Wait, what? Lee killed him in my file... how does Clem do it? Is it because you gave up your weapons?

No. Just don't choke him and Clem will eventually shoot him in the head.

EDIT: And yeah, I did put all my stuff on the table too. Not sure if that counts, though.

[C`nr]

I just didn't want TTG to twist it so that Lee comes unstuck and she has to do it in the second series or whatever. I prefer knowing that Lee can't possibly hurt her.

[Nokando]

Plus, by not getting shot in the head, there is always the possibility of playing season 2 as Lee the Zombie... mmmm... braiiins..

[aguyuno]

No. Just don't choke him and Clem will eventually shoot him in the head.

EDIT: And yeah, I did put all my stuff on the table too. Not sure if that counts, though.Oh. I'd imagine it does for the record, cause after I choked him down, Lee pulled his gun and shot him (or you can not if you want but I said fuck that).

[SonnyN18]

I wanted to give her the strength to survive the apocalypse, and to show her the despicable things you might have to do. That's why I let her put Lee down.

[GoFigure]

I just didn't want TTG to twist it so that Lee comes unstuck and she has to do it in the second series or whatever. I prefer knowing that Lee can't possibly hurt her.

This was actually my plan before I knew how the things turned out. I would not let Lee become a danger to anyone but since that danger was at least minimized or probably even neutralized, I didn't see it necessary anymore.

Yes, I risked a change of him getting unstuck. :/

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

Having her shoot Lee is actually a pretty tough choice to me, because I wouldn't have her shoot him purely on account of preventing him from turning, but only to offer closure to the person doing it. On one hand, personally, I don't know why not killing someone close to you to prevent him or her from turning into a zombie would have to necessarily result in a lack of closure for them, but I think that's how a lot of people appear to see it.

On the other hand it would probably have been pretty emotionally devastating for her, may have even prevented her from focusing on survival. So it's about thinking in the short-term or long-term to me.

[oligo]

Personally, the thought of leaving someone you care about chained to a heater to become a zombie is FAR more emotionally devastating than putting them out of their misery.

I know she's young, but I think she would definitely regret it later in life is she left him like that.

[GoFigure]

Personally, the thought of leaving someone you care about chained to a heater to become a zombie is FAR more emotionally devastating than putting them out of their misery.

I know she's young, but I think she would definitely regret it later in life is she left him like that.

If it was Lee's choice and Clementine honored it. She shouldn't regret it. I admit, there's a change she will but she shouldn't.

[Flona1972]

i've let him alive because we never knew if he would turn or not, perhaps he is only ill of infection and he will survive so i gave him a chance and i never thought one second he could be dead anyway.. seems he could and that's really weird as there is no reply to this answer.. to be followed i guess

[Chanut_N]

i've let him alive because we never knew if he would turn or not, perhaps he is only ill of infection and he will survive so i gave him a chance and i never thought one second he could be dead anyway.. seems he could and that's really weird as there is no reply to this answer.. to be followed i guess

-_-"

I respect your opinion but...this is more than a day dreaming

[GoFigure]

-_-"

I respect your opinion but...this is more than a day dreaming

Indeed. That is... very optimistic. Considering how fatal the bite is in TWD and the mortality rate of amputees.

But, well, one can always hope. There's nothing wrong in little optimism. :)

[magzhi]

No. Just don't choke him and Clem will eventually shoot him in the head.

EDIT: And yeah, I did put all my stuff on the table too. Not sure if that counts, though.

I stopped pressing Q when I saw his eyes. He was terrified, but I immediately regretted it because he pinned me on the floor

[Zeruis]

Leaving Lee behind and putting the handcuffs on him would be poetic justice. He was going to prison at the start of the game, remember?

[GoFigure]

I stopped pressing Q when I saw his eyes. He was terrified, but I immediately regretted it because he pinned me on the floor

Well, yeah. You have to lose the fight in order to get Clementine save Lee.

Leaving Lee behind and putting the handcuffs on him would be poetic justice. He was going to prison at the start of the game, remember?

Huh. Never thought of it that way. Guess so! :D

[Walker#8]

I Had her shoot Lee for 2 reasons. 1) It was a learning point for her to learn to do despicable things when the absolute need has arisen. 2) I didn't want her to ever think back and wonder whether or not he turned and in consequence think of Lee as a walker, I wanted her to remember him as he was. You have to think about it as more than just a single issue. IIRC it was discussed earlier in the game as to not wanting to become one of "those things".

[GoFigure]

I Had her shoot Lee for 2 reasons. 1) It was a learning point for her to learn to do despicable things when the absolute need has arisen.

But there was no absolute need. Doesn't that contradict the whole point of the lesson?

2) I didn't want her to ever think back and wonder whether or not he turned and in consequence think of Lee as a walker, I wanted her to remember him as he was. You have to think about it as more than just a single issue. IIRC it was discussed earlier in the game as to not wanting to become one of "those things".

Yes, well. She already saw her parents as walkers and she's wont (likely) get to see Lee reanimated. And I figure Lee's lesson "It's not me anymore." will stick and she learns not to dwell on it too much.

[Flona1972]

Indeed. That is... very optimistic. Considering how fatal the bite is in TWD and the mortality rate of amputees.

But, well, one can always hope. There's nothing wrong in little optimism. :)

but in the comic the guy is still alive after an amputation so i really thought it would be the same.. never thought they would kill Lee specially if there is a season 2 to come, was a bit shocked in fact even if i didn't kill him if other players did it means he will really be dead in the next season.. unless clementine missed him? must play again and kill him to see this :p

[Brohan]

but in the comic the guy is still alive after an amputation so i really thought it would be the same.. never thought they would kill Lee specially if there is a season 2 to come, was a bit shocked in fact even if i didn't kill him if other players did it means he will really be dead in the next season.. unless clementine missed him? must play again and kill him to see this :p

Unless you amputate the body part wich you got bit you won't turn, but for Lee it was too late.

[Walker#8]

But there was no absolute need. Doesn't that contradict the whole point of the lesson?



Yes, well. She already saw her parents as walkers and she's wont (likely) get to see Lee reanimated. And I figure Lee's lesson "It's not me anymore." will stick and she learns not to dwell on it too much.


Yeah there was no Need at that point but it braces her for future situations and readies her for it.

[Fezzan]

Yep I made Clem go with me handcuffed, no point in wasting resources.

[Khazzy]

I didn't want Clem to have to deal with me after all that we had been through. I chose for her to leave me behind.

[Flona1972]

Unless you amputate the body part wich you got bit you won't turn, but for Lee it was too late.

i didn't tell anybody Lee was bitten so i was wondering if i did at the beginning if he would still be alive, as you say you won't turn if you amputate so i didn't expect him to die :/

[lurchibald]

Yes, I can understand it would be a good lesson on growning up. Therapeutic euthanasia (two words I've never used in a row!). But at this point I can only repeat myself.

1. reference case - Duck.
2. reference case - walker attacking Molly
3. reference case - The kidnapper/vengeful-station-wagon-guy

So she has already mastered the art of shooting things to the head, people and walkers alike. No lessons there.

I think, at least in Ducks case, she knows that sometimes you have to put loved ones down before they turn but only when it's absolutely necessary (hey, that's a lesson too! :o). I don't see much benefit in a practical lesson, not when theres risks and options.

There is a huge difference between 'knowing' and 'doing'. Simply knowing that sometimes you may have to kill someone you care about doesn't necessarily prepare you to actually put that knowledge into practice, she'd be less likely to hesitate in the future. Just like surgeons, Would you prefer a surgeon that has both studied medicine in Uni and trained on cadavers/dummies or one that just studied in Uni with no practical experience?

So the risk in not doing it now is that she may hesitate in the future and get bitten.

[RMJ1984]

If it was you, would you rather have the last memories of a person, be as human, or being as an walker?.

[DarcKage]

I had her shoot.

It's to give closure, and to make her stronger in the end. In the new world, it's all about being able to make tough decisions that you wouldnt be able to do when everything was normal.

[DrChem]

Speaking of Which, what happened to Omid and Christie? And why was clem in a corn field?

[Reznore]

Didn't make her shoot Lee , she didn't want to.
He was handcuffed , so no point.He's gonna die anyway ,and he didn't seem to suffer .

Besides , kids in The Walking Dead comic , always end up being little psycho...
So I don't feel the need to tell her to be strong and off Lee , when she's in no danger.
The less trigger she has to pull , the better.

[DarcKage]

Would you want to die, knowing that you (or at least your body) would roam around as a walker?

[cooper56]

I had her kill me for all i know she would be alone forever she need to be able to pull trigger when needed. So i thought it would make her stronger honestly just to survive.

[Reznore]

Once you're a walker , you are dead.
The only thought that would bother me is killing people in the "afterlife".
If you die chained to something , you won't be roaming the street looking for preys.
So who cares?

The only people that it could hurt is the people that loved you , seeing you as zombie is kind of a mockery of your old self.

But if it's so important for Clem , she 'll come back in a few years and kill zombie Lee.(well what would be left of him)
I really don't see the benefit for a child to kill a dying person , regrets are better than trauma ,IMHO.

But again , that's just my way of seeing things.

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

Would you want to die, knowing that you (or at least your body) would roam around as a walker?

Optimistically the zombie 'virus' or bacteria/infection could be seen as a form of life also. If that is so, it's only doing what it has to to thrive and survive. If other species do not survive it is merely out of natural selection, nature's form of trial and error.

It may not seem like much but the Walking Dead plague could even be the birth of a new form of intelligent life, long after we are gone.

[Aptonoth]

It's one thing to look at a situation and think your prepared, it's another to do it. If something like this happens in the future, she will be ready. One way or the other. I feel sorry for Ben, no one taught him or gave him a chance. If I had been there I would have helped him and taught him some things as well. I don't want Clementine to be unprepared. Now she has practical experience.

It is also a form of mercy and closure. She won't have to wonder what my undead body is doing or even see what horror I might be like.

[RoboSheriff]

lol my lee choked the radio guy with just one hand. Clementine could've started enjoying things like killing other persons, in a few words i couldn't risk another carl lol specially if lee wasn't there to stop it in a good way.

Teached clementine how to shoot but didn't made her shoot anyone in my whole playthrough, based my character around the idea that things were going to get better.

As for the OP, clem didn't killed my lee.

[Wrighty]

I had her kill Lee. Firstly because I wanted her last memory of me to be as a living person not a shambling walker. Secondly because i didn't like the idea of being trapped to a radiator as a walker and I would rather move on to a afterlife if there is one. Lastly because if Clem can shoot Lee then she is capable of making some of the hardest decisions. That's what will keep her alive.

[Thefallen365]

Was I the only one that didn't handcuff Lee? That's an option too if you were wondering. You can also have her cuff the walker to make it easier for her to get the gun and keys. As she is reaching in, however, the walker rips its own arm off to free itself and clem falls back. The walker then crawls after clem, who is also crawling. She gets freee of the walker who has her by the foot and the weird statue/vase thing falls and hits you on the head. You're still conscious but everything is hazy. You see the baseball bat lying next to you so you slide it to clem and she finishes the walker.

It still gave me the same options you guys are talking about after that.

[LokiHavok]

I had Clem shoot me because I wanted to teach her one last lesson. That sometimes you are going to have to do things you really don't want to in order to survive.

To me that was worth a bullet.
If Clem is good enough to kill the living shit out of the radio guy I am sure she is more than capable of defending her self if required

BUt that is someone she really has no qualms about killing. Aside from the usual moral hindrances.

Her shooting Lee. Teaches her you have to make hard decision and weigh logic against emotion. Pragmatism for the win.

[neobluereaper]

Would be crazy if Lee isn't infected (cause minus the arm) and he returns in season 3. And just passed out from blood loss and exhaustion.

Basically Lee is having the "Rick moment"(From the Comics) where it looks like he was going to die.

[DreadMagus]

I had Clem kill Lee.

Why?

I felt it was the final lesson she NEEDED to learn. Her graduation, as it were. Lee was cuffed, but if she got close to someone else and they turned and she couldn't end them... bye bye Clem.

Couldn't do that to her.

[kirby18]

As Im sure people have already said, I thought about this too but a motif throughout the game (in every episode) is that becoming a walker is a fate worse than death. I know everything lee does is for clem, but Lee had to think about himself here and in fact for clementine. Clem couldnt handle seeing Lee become a walker. I

[The_Ripper]

I asked to Clem to leave me there handcuffed.

I couldn't force her to shoot Lee, I couldn't.

To me this is the most emotive ending. I've cried like a baby. :(

Thanks, Telltale, to let me choose my ending to this game and the last words for Clem.

Game of the year.

[dukeleto]

Above all reasons, I couldn't let her turn back and go when she said she is not going to take it with the idea of Lee as a zombie. At first I was like you, I was thinking "It is too much for her", "don't do this to her" and "don't be such a coward" kinda things. But then, she cried and mentioned about her family, I really couldn't stand the idea that she will always know Lee TOO is rotting somewhere out there -probably she will blame herself because of this-, and I made my choice. It came by a heartbeat like the choice with Lee's arm.
And it's life itself - sad but true when something has to be done, it has to be done.
On single bullet, once and for all.