Was Clem African-American ?

[short_stack]

her wikia page says so...i always thought she was asian or half asian.

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Clementine

[Zeruis]

I always thought of her as half black, half asian. That's just me though.

[short_stack]

I always thought of her as half black, half asian. That's just me though.

how come people knew Lee wasnt her real father? i always thought it was because she didnt have any black in her....

[Rock114]

how come people knew Lee wasnt her real father? i always thought it was because she didnt have any black in her....

Actually, most people DID think Lee was the father. Shawn says it outside her house, Kenny and Hershel say it on the farm, and Lilly asks where her mother is if you speak to her at the pharmacy. Plus Vernon thought so too in 4. Christa was pretty much the only person to correctly guess that Lee was not Clem's father.

[Pride]

Actually, most people DID think Lee was the father. Shawn says it outside her house, Kenny and Hershel say it on the farm, and Lilly asks where her mother is if you speak to her at the pharmacy. Plus Vernon thought so too in 4. Christa was pretty much the only person to correctly guess that Lee was not Clem's father.
Ironic that the only person who was able to tell Lee was not her father was also of color.
I wonder what that means...:rolleyes:

[short_stack]

Ironic that the only person who was able to tell Lee was not her father was also of color.
I wonder what that means...:rolleyes:

i didnt know christa was african-american until i watched her wikia...

[Doctanian]

None of you guys must be black, lol.

I knew Clem was black, even before looking at her parents' picture in a second playthrough. Her dad's black and her mom may be either very light skinned or just biracial.

The dead giveaway despite all that was her hair. It's clearly afro-textured. And it's absolutely beautiful, I must say. I wish more black girls would have their hair this way.

[DreadMagus]

I thought Christa realized it because she is observant and uses her brain......

[DanJ555]

Does her mom seriously look Asian?

Also, she is not African-American, she is Black.

[McGyver]

Her mom certainly looked black or light skinned. Her hair was afro-ish!

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

She's more or less the whitest African-American I've ever seen.

[lilTomTom]

I believe so. Her dad was black and her mother seemed to be mixed between white and black.

But I'm black anyways. Contrary to popularly belief. We come in all types of shades and sizes. We don't all have the same exact facial structures. <rant> However I don't want to call Clementine just 'African' - American. That title annoys me. You are only 'African American' if you were born in Africa and gained citizenship in America. </rant>

[marcu5]

None of you guys must be black, lol.

I knew Clem was black, even before looking at her parents' picture in a second playthrough. Her dad's black and her mom may be either very light skinned or just biracial.

The dead giveaway despite all that was her hair. It's clearly afro-textured. And it's absolutely beautiful, I must say. I wish more black girls would have their hair this way.

im black and she looks asian to me

christa is supposed to be black as well but she looks indian.

[Hamatula]

Omid and Chirsta look like they're from middle east. And yeah I think Clem half asian half african. Asian side is more dominant though.

[short_stack]

She's more or less the whitest African-American I've ever seen.

even beats lionel richie

[dubesor]

her dad was definately african american. her mother dunno looked like a mix, something like a bit of Asian Filipino

http://i.imgur.com/4rAWV.jpg

[Doctanian]

her dad was definately african american. her mother dunno looked like a mix, something like a bit of Asian Filipino

http://i.imgur.com/4rAWV.jpg

Her mom may be mixed with Asian and black. Some of her features (hair and her lips) ring African American to me. Her skin does says she's mixed through.

So yeah, Clem's black. One drop rule, lol. And by the looks of it, she has a lot more than one drop.

[short_stack]

Her mom may be mixed with Asian and black. Some of her features (hair and her lips) ring African American to me. Her skin does says she's mixed through.

So yeah, Clem's black. One drop rule, lol. And by the looks of it, she has a lot more than one drop.

i think her mom is thai or filipino..has to be, clem as asian eyes.

[aperose]

I understand thinking Clem doesn't look that black but to say her mom looks filipino I just can't see it at all. Look at her hair.

[Siniistar]

not a lot of black people ITT lol

her mom was light skinned(probably mixed), and so was clem. I've seen plenty of black people with the same appearance( some of my relatives have the same skin tone as well).

as someone else said, the hair was a dead give away.

[AceStarr]

Folks when people of light skin mix they can create a light child. Examples Will Smith jada pinkett look at there kids or Vanessa williams and Rick fox. It happens sometimes but at end of the day its all about who DNA is the strongest or even sometimes if family members from the past effect how your kid looks they may be dark skin with light eyes or light skin with dark eyes.


Either way Clem is beautiful creation :)

[CharmingBirch]

I don't really want to be the one to say does it matter, but....

Does it?


Either way Clem is beautiful creation

My thoughts exactly. She's just a little cutie one way or the other.

[dinofire]

I think she's African-Mixed

But lol does it really matter?

[short_stack]

no it doesnt matter, but i always thought she was asian...shes beautiful

[TTG fan15]

I think clem is African-American, but she could also be part Asian, but i think she mostly African-American cause she have a Afro, her dad is black and her mom is little mix.

[Chrizza]

Wait, what?

Christa is African-American?

[Kitmit13]

Not sure but boy was she adorable ;w; I love how there was a mix of ethnicity.

[cormoran]

Part black, part asian. Dad is black, Mother is asian.

As for how her mother had that hair, we have these little things called "hair salons" where people can go to have their hair put into all sorts of styles they would never accomplish naturally.

[Siniistar]

Wait, what?

Christa is African-American?

lol



im just surprised that people really haven't seen light skinned mixed/black kids that look like clem in real life before 0.o

[Kitmit13]

Part black, part asian. Dad is black, Mother is asian.

As for how her mother had that hair, we have these little things called "hair salons" where people can go to have their hair put into all sorts of styles they would never accomplish naturally.

but her mums hair (and clems hair) was still curly all the way through the game, the hair won't remain styled forever. Unless Clems mums zombie was going to the zombie hair salon :P

[Devlonir]

Wait, what?

Christa is African-American?

Christa actually looks a lot like a central African woman in her body and facial structure.
For example: Just look at female runners from Kenia and not the average African-American female in the USA (with waaay more body fat)

[cormoran]

but her mums hair (and clems hair) was still curly all the way through the game, the hair won't remain styled forever. Unless Clems mums zombie was going to the zombie hair salon :P

Keep in mind her mum is a zombie so it's not like her hair would grow out of that style. I had dreadlocks for years and only ever went to the salon twice, once to get them done and once to get them cut off.

[Kitmit13]

Keep in mind her mum is a zombie so it's not like her hair would grow out of that style. I had dreadlocks for years and only ever went to the salon twice, once to get them done and once to get them cut off.

I guess that's a good point (although dead peoples hair does grow for a few days after death ew, but only a few days after XD) I still liked the idea of a zombie hair salon

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

I know it's frustrating to have a character that you have an emotional connection with not be white, I know..it's not easy having a human connection with a non white, but..alas...sometimes it must be done.

Actually thought Christa was Hispanic. Not that any of this matters as far as game play and story but it was nice to see a colorful cast and not the same o same o "normal color" characters.

But for the sake of sanity lets all pretend that Clem is white, you know what happen last time a character was thought to be white actually turned out to be a negro. Hunger Games anyone?

[Chrizza]

Christa actually looks a lot like a central African woman in her body and facial structure.
For example: Just look at female runners from Kenia and not the average African-American female in the USA (with waaay more body fat)You have a point, but that surely wasn't the first thing that popped into my mind. I automatically assumed she was of Hispanic descent.

[Snake Liquid]

Where in the world did anyone get the idea that Clementine's mother was Asian? She absolutely is not. We even saw a picture of her in the very first episode! She's just a fair skinned African American, same as Clem.

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Diana

[RainbowSprinklz]

You should read this blog I made on The Walking Dead Wiki a little while back concerning this topic. http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rainb0wSprinklz/Clementine%27s_Race

[Degenerate10]

Does it really matter what race she was?

[Mornai]

She certainly doesn't sound African American, at least. Though that's probably due to her VA.

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

She certainly doesn't sound African American, at least. Though that's probably due to her VA.

What does a "African-American" sound like?

the voice actress is an adult white woman.

[Mornai]

What does a "African-American" sound like?

the voice actress is an adult white woman.

Well, if you only heard Christa's voice for example, you could probably assume that she was not Caucasian at the very least.

[aperose]

Where in the world did anyone get the idea that Clementine's mother was Asian? She absolutely is not. We even saw a picture of her in the very first episode! She's just a fair skinned African American, same as Clem.

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Diana

yes, exactly. I don't think her mother looks asian at all. Her zombie self looks like she has different hair texture though which I find weird. Clem just always confused me on her race because her hair looks like she's african american but her skin really is very very fair, much like her mother's.

[short_stack]

her beautiful asian eyes confused me as well.

[puzzlebox]

I guess that's a good point (although dead peoples hair does grow for a few days after death ew, but only a few days after XD) I still liked the idea of a zombie hair salon

Fun fact, the hair growth after death (http://www.snopes.com/science/nailgrow.asp) thing is just an illusion caused by the skin dehydrating and shrinking.

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

Well, if you only heard Christa's voice for example, you could probably assume that she was not Caucasian at the very least.

I heard her voice.

I still don't know what a "African-American" sounds like.

[raptor]

She certainly doesn't sound African American, at least. Though that's probably due to her VA.

Yeah, she doesn't have an African accent (I've met a white African-American before ;))

Nitpicking aside, not all black people sound the same, just as not all white people sound the same.

[Eric Northman]

her wikia page says so...i always thought she was asian or half asian.

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Clementine

Her parents looked black to me. That's why Hershel took Clementine as Lee's duaghter, I'd imagine.

[Eric Northman]

She certainly doesn't sound African American, at least. Though that's probably due to her VA.

She is well educated little girl, one of her parents was a Doctor, they taught her to speak properly.

[Siniistar]

so much derp in this thread >.>

*sigh*

[Eric Northman]

Part black, part asian. Dad is black, Mother is asian.

As for how her mother had that hair, we have these little things called "hair salons" where people can go to have their hair put into all sorts of styles they would never accomplish naturally.

Her mom doesn't look asian.

[Mornai]

She is well educated little girl, one of her parents was a Doctor, they taught her to speak properly.

I don't mean slang talk, it's just the tone of the voice can edge your image of someone you've heard but not seen in certain directions. I don't really know how to explain it anyway.

[Love88]

Glad i looked at this thread. I never paid much attention to the photo actually, but i did notice her father was clearly Black. I swore her mom was Asian, until i saw the close up here. But I always knew Clem was black...just had a little Asian in her. Glad that i got all that cleared up. Plus she looked like once of my childhood friends who was Filipino and Black...but everyone though she was Spanish lol. But that aside this is some good confirmation, her hair was a dead giveaway also.

[DreadMagus]

so much derp in this thread >.>

*sigh*

What exactly is a "derp"?

I see all of the "cool kids" using it these days.....

[TheNNerdGamer]

What exactly is a "derp"?

I see all of the "cool kids" using it these days.....

derp (i use it a lot)

derp: someone in the act or lack of writing, reading, spelling, "messing up", or being "complete idiot" when doing certain tasks.

this word is sometimes referred to : stupid,silly,annoying, etc.

[Charles_K]

But for the sake of sanity lets all pretend that Clem is white, you know what happen last time a character was thought to be white actually turned out to be a negro. Hunger Games anyone?

You beat me to it.

There was quite the poopstorm when Rue (I think that's her name?) turned out to be a cute little black guy instead of a cute little white girl. SPOILER ALERT: she dies, and it's sad either way.

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

I don't mean slang talk, it's just the tone of the voice can edge your image of someone you've heard but not seen in certain directions. I don't really know how to explain it anyway.

I was 90% sure when I heard her voice that her voice actor was white, so I know where you're coming from. Didn't bother me though. :)

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

I heard her voice.

I still don't know what a "African-American" sounds like.

Like a person that's not white? Kinda like asking what an apple tastes like, y'know.

[Siniistar]

derp (i use it a lot)

derp: someone in the act or lack of writing, reading, spelling, "messing up", or being "complete idiot" when doing certain tasks.

this word is sometimes referred to : stupid,silly,annoying, etc.

^that



and to hopefully quell the confusion, sometimes black people have very, verrrry light skinned children. It happens. Black people come in all shades, sometimes veering on borderline white looking(and you don't even have to be "mixed" to look like this either), my mother being a perfect example as she has the same skin tone as clem's mom and is full on black.


As far as the voice goes, that's completely subjective. clem's voice actor is a white woman, however any one can sound a certain way, it just depends on the environment they grow up in. I know plenty of black people that sound "white" i guess, myself included, and its solely because the people they were around most of their just sounded that way. That'd be like wondering why a country sounding person has that particular accent. maybe its because that's the way their family sounded?


i really shouldn't even have to explain this -_-

[DreadMagus]

derp (i use it a lot)

derp: someone in the act or lack of writing, reading, spelling, "messing up", or being "complete idiot" when doing certain tasks.

this word is sometimes referred to : stupid,silly,annoying, etc.

Ah ok, everything makes sense now.

Thank you, I was genuinely curious about this. Seen it a lot on this board and others and had zero idea what the hell it meant. :D

[Eric Northman]

Played the game again last night, and saw the family photo, there is no way in hell her mother is asian. She looks like she is of a mixed race, probably black and white.

[Noble]

I thought she had a little bit of asian in her blood, but I noticed her dad and mom were black so it puzzled me as to what Clementine was for a while.

[Robbingrobin]

Her mother was asian and her dad "urban". *chuckles*

I am pretty sure and nothing but the dev. can make my think something else!

[CharmingBirch]

Her mom doesn't look asian.

Not at all. I'm positive she isn't.

If there's a slim chance I'm wrong, Diane is the most African-American looking Asian I've ever seen. :confused:

[Robbingrobin]

Asia is like... fucking big.

[Eric Northman]

asia is like... Fucking big.

lol!

[CharmingBirch]

Asia is like... fucking big.

Have yet to see an ethnic group in Asia that resemble African-Americans. You say potato, I say 'sure, alright'. :)

[marcu5]

clem does not look black, her mom looks bi-racial

me thinks the TTG executives didn't make clem dark skinned, because white people wouldn't be very receptive to that imagery

[Eric Northman]

Clem looks like a fair complected black person (mixed race), I've seen other black people with her skin color and hair type.

[marcu5]

Clem looks like a fair complected black person (mixed race), I've seen other black people with her skin color and hair type.

even still, why wasn't clem slightly darker? she's 1 shade darker than kenny and molly


hell, christa is black as well but they gave her hair that's not her natural texture.

[walkerbait00]

She's more or less the whitest African-American I've ever seen.

this is the whitest black guy lol ahh kid and play that takes me back

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/victoryismine78/kid_n_play.jpg

[thestalkinghead]

Have yet to see an ethnic group in Asia that resemble African-Americans. You say potato, I say 'sure, alright'. :)

south asian people look sort of African, i have used this person as an example in another thread debating christa's ethnicity but this is Konnie Huq an english TV presenter and she is from Bangladesh

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Konniehuq.jpg/424px-Konniehuq.jpg

[Eric Northman]

OK, she doesn't look black to me, I think she looks kind of hispanic.

[swebonny]

Maybe her parents are a mix of everything, therefore Clementine has the blood of all races in herself.

Woho, now everyone are satisfied.

[Eric Northman]

Maybe her parents are a mix of everything, therefore Clementine has the blood of all races in herself.

Woho, now everyone are satisfied.

Yes, I thought I saw a bit of Scottish in her, I think you may be onto something.

[Robbingrobin]

Yes, I thought I saw a bit of Scottish in her, I think you may be onto something.

Ye gods!

[CharmingBirch]

this is the whitest black guy lol ahh kid and play that takes me back

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/victoryismine78/kid_n_play.jpg

Oh, Kid. :D

me thinks the TTG executives didn't make clem dark skinned, because [some] people wouldn't be very receptive to that imagery

Replaced a word, but I think you have a point, which is sad.

south asian people look sort of African, i have used this person as an example in another thread debating christa's ethnicity but this is Konnie Huq an english TV presenter and she is from Bangladesh

Very little, but I get the point you're making.

Maybe her parents are a mix of everything, therefore Clementine has the blood of all races in herself.

Woho, now everyone are satisfied.

Best post thus far. That way, those misinformed folks who go, "Hmm, I want to like her but she isn't [whatever]" won't have to!

But seriously, she's probably the most adorable fictional kid I've seen in a video game, at least.

[8Bit_System]

Indians can can have really a dark complexion as well...
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/9125/25571612.jpg

I'd clearly go with African American on Clem's family though, also keeping in mind that we are trying to interpret from a comic style there.

[CharmingBirch]

Indians can can have really a dark complexion as well...

I'd clearly go with African American on Clem's family though, also keeping in mind that we are trying to interpret from a comic style there.

I'll give you that one. She looks like she could be family.

I wondered what ethnicity Katjaa and Omid were, as well. Wikia says Belgian and Persian. I really liked Katjaa's accent but couldn't place what it was, exactly.

[Eric Northman]

I'll give you that one. She looks like she could be family.

I wondered what ethnicity Katjaa and Omid were

I always figured she was Russian, and he was some type of middle eastern.

[Tyrant]

I was always confused how Kenny got an intelligent woman like Katjaa.

[Tyrant]

Pretty sure her mother is Blasian and her Dad is Black.

I am Blasian myself and Clem's mom strongly resembles my mother and other relatives.

[Charles_K]

clem does not look black, her mom looks bi-racial

me thinks the TTG executives didn't make clem dark skinned, because white people wouldn't be very receptive to that imagery

Just look at how people reacted to Rue in the Hunger Games movies.

Anyhow, I think Nateyou drew Clem pretty well with a more "realistic" touch:

http://nateyou.deviantart.com/art/Sketches-340167953?q=gallery%3Anateyou&qo=1

http://nateyou.deviantart.com/art/Clemy-clue-340005866?q=gallery%3Anateyou&qo=2

However, Kenny looks completely cartoony. Then again, he does remind me of-a Luigi, numberr one!

[Tyrant]

I thought the movie was mediocre, but damn. I lost faith in humanity.

http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/race-controversy-over-hunger-games-182705585.html

[Doctanian]

clem does not look black, her mom looks bi-racial

me thinks the TTG executives didn't make clem dark skinned, because white people wouldn't be very receptive to that imagery

Sadly, I think you're right. People are much, much less receptive to dark skin females than dark skin males.

The only thing giving away her "blackness" is her hair, which is very Afro-textured.

[Doctanian]

Just look at how people reacted to Rue in the Hunger Games movies.

Anyhow, I think Nateyou drew Clem pretty well with a more "realistic" touch:

http://nateyou.deviantart.com/art/Sketches-340167953?q=gallery%3Anateyou&qo=1

http://nateyou.deviantart.com/art/Clemy-clue-340005866?q=gallery%3Anateyou&qo=2

However, Kenny looks completely cartoony. Then again, he does remind me of-a Luigi, numberr one!

Exactly. People go crazy over that stuff, and Rue wasn't even that dark. Imagine if she was of a darker complexion.

[Pride]

Actually, that Rue girl's actress looks like she could play Clem if she ever appeared on the TV show :D
She's exactly what I pictured Clem would look like in real life
Just give her some green contacts and a hat and you got Clem!

I mean, just look!

http://i47.tinypic.com/2s9durn.pnghttp://i48.tinypic.com/25i7n92.png

[Textbook]

Always thought Clem looked mixed, possibly blasian, possibly whack. (That's white and black.)

[Textbook]

As in, "Mariah Carey is whack."

[Tyrant]

She is pretty whack but not for the same reasons.

[Devlonir]

I thought the movie was mediocre, but damn. I lost faith in humanity.

http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/race-controversy-over-hunger-games-182705585.html

Same here.. some people.. The worst bit is that people wanna act 'hipster' by proving they read the book through disliking this.. but all they proved is being stupid because they just didn't register the fact that she was described as being dark skinned..

[Eric Northman]

Pretty sure her mother is Blasian and her Dad is Black.

I am Blasian myself and Clem's mom strongly resembles my mother and other relatives.

I'm sorry, but there is nothing about this picture which makes her look even partly asian. She looks like a light skinned black/caucasian mix woman

[Tyrant]

Meh, you and I see it differently I guess.

[Eric Northman]

Meh, you and I see it differently I guess.

Fair enough.

[KingOfTheDead]

shes black

[zev_zev]

Does it really matter what race she was?

You are right. She is alive, and this is the main thing. She did not very much like the african- american , I think she half afro, half white

[Torby]

Shes mexican-american for sure

[darham175]

I always thought Clem was blasian though for the most part I didn't care about characters ethnicity. I mean just because Lee is urban doesn't mean he can pick locks and just because Kenny is white and from Florida doesn't make him a racist idiot. People are people, it's what you do that should determine what people think of you not what you look like.

[DreadMagus]

Clem's a smurf.

She's short, and wears a hat. Gotta be a smurf.

[Jennifer]

There's actually a really nice article on the making of Clementine in this month's Game Informer that talks about Clementine's character development. They originally planned to have Clementine be the younger sister of the original player character who was a young man who's parents had just been killed and was raising Clem on his own, but this was changed because they didn't want to drop players into a pre-existing relationship, as they didn't think that would work as well in the world of The Walking Dead. When they came up with Lee as the player character, they made Clementine African-American because they wanted it to seem like Clem could be his daughter.

Another interesting thing (although off-topic) in there is that her trademark baseball cap with the letter D on it that was given to her by her father was actually based on a cap that the daughter of the lead artist (Darek Sakai) wears in real life. In fact, Clementine's entire fashion sense (dress with boyish ball cap) is based on Darek Sakai's daughter. :)

[DreadMagus]

That's pretty darn cool :)

[dubesor]

Actually, that Rue girl's actress looks like she could play Clem if she ever appeared on the TV show :D
She's exactly what I pictured Clem would look like in real life
Just give her some green contacts and a hat and you got Clem!

I mean, just look!

http://i47.tinypic.com/2s9durn.pnghttp://i48.tinypic.com/25i7n92.png

Pretty close, yea.
Just add a tiny bit of asian and we have clem.

[Obsidian14]

Have yet to see an ethnic group in Asia that resemble African-Americans. You say potato, I say 'sure, alright'. :)

Well, you'd be technically wrong.

Like someone said earlier... Asia is "Fucking big", and people don't usually stay put it one place. That applies particularly to the island nations of Southeast Asia. You see, the dominant ethnicity of maritime Southeast Asia (i.e. excluding most of Indochina) is Austronesian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesian), which is not "Asian" in the most common American definition of the word (which basically equates it with East Asians - the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and Indochinese). The most common American image of Austronesians are of Polynesians, who are a subset of the Austronesian peoples. Austronesians are, to describe them in a single word, "islanders". They're a maritime culture, having spread throughout almost half of the Earth's oceans in nothing but small boats. They can be found from as far west as Madagascar to as far east as Rapa Nui. Their southernmost branch are the Māori of New Zealand, and in the north, the minority aboriginal groups of Taiwan and southern China.

And Austronesians look pretty different from East Asians. While Austronesians commonly exhibit the phenotype of the slightly slanted eyes, they rarely actually have epicanthic folds (the fold of skin on the inner corners of the upper eyelids connecting it with the nose). That feature is more common among East Asians, Central Asians, the Indochinese, the Khoisan of Africa, and peoples along the Arctic circle (including the more northernmost European peoples; Björk, an Icelander, being a well-known example). Austronesians also usually have deep brown skin and naturally slightly wavy to yes, curly hair, again in contrast to East Asians.

More particularly, there's a number of unrelated ethnic groups in Southeast Asia that closely resemble Africans. They look so much alike that they were referred to by the Spanish as "Negritos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negrito)" (literally 'little black people'). They're some of the original peoples in maritime Southeast Asia and can still be found in the Nicobar islands, the Andamans, parts of Indonesia and Malaysia, and are most numerous in the Philippines. There's also the Melanesians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanesians) of eastern Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, and western Oceania, another unrelated ethnic group which also exhibit traits that are very much African, though they have a much wider variety of hair color (light brown to blond hair occurs naturally and fairly frequently among Melanesians).

And it is in the Philippines (particularly in the southern islands), the easternmost islands of Indonesia (particularly in New Guinea), and parts of Oceania (e.g. the Solomon Islands and Samoa), where Austronesians have intermixed the most with Negrito groups and Melanesians. It's not at all unusual to find the traits of tightly curled hair nor of fuller lips there. The same with Madagascar, where Austronesians have actually intermarried with Africans coming in from the mainland. And yes, they look a lot like Clem's mom. While almost half of Austronesians are technically not "Asian", they originated from and are still present in Southeast Asia. Here are two pictures of Austronesian women:

Loreto Paras-Sulit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loreto_Paras-Sulit), a Filipina writer:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/LPSulit_big.jpg

A young Samoan woman:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Samoan_young_woman_1902.jpg/406px-Samoan_young_woman_1902.jpg

Note that I'm not saying Clem's mom was Asian, just saying that some Asians do indeed look African. That said, I also thought Clem was mixed ethnicity. It would still make her Black though... by most definitions, anyway.

But I also didn't think Christa was Black at all. I thought she was Latina or South Asian.

[Eric Northman]

Pretty close, yea.
Just add a tiny bit of asian and we have clem.

Or don't add any asian, since Clem isn't.

[kongdong]

she isn't asian but she has some asian attributes in her looks. maybe grandparents or smth

[Eric Northman]

she isn't asian but she has some asian attributes in her looks. maybe grandparents or smth

Nah. If you'll notice her light colored eyes (an attribute that neither blacks or asians have) you'll see that she is mixed, but with caucasian not asian.

[dubesor]

Nah. If you'll notice her light colored eyes (an attribute that neither blacks or asians have)

Wrong. Plenty of asian areas have light colored eyes. And the shape of her eyes is rather slit, another asian attribute, usually not to be found in caucasian areas.. not even to mention her skin color. definitely some asian in there. her mom (picture next to answering machine also shows many signs of asian mix, most likely some Asian Filipino influence).

then again, this is a game. A person designing the characters might just do their thing without paying too much attention to exact biological genetic attributes.

[Eric Northman]

Wrong. Plenty of asian areas have light colored eyes. And the shape of her eyes is rather slit, another asian attribute, usually not to be found in caucasian areas.. not even to mention her skin color. definitely some asian in there. her mom (picture next to answering machine also shows many signs of asian mix, most likely some Asian Filipino influence).

then again, this is a game. A person designing the characters might just do their thing without paying too much attention to exact biological genetic attributes.

I know a ton of asians, I mean a TON. Hmong's, filipino's, chinese, japanese, not one has light colored eyes (excluding the ones that use color contacts), and NONE of them have eyes shaped like Clems. She IS black, not asian. The makers even said they changed her race from caucasian so that people in the game could make the mistake of thinking that she is Lee's daughter, that's why Clem wasn't white, why change her race to match with Lee and then still leave room for ambiguity by making her half asian? You are reading way to much to her having the slightest hint of a "slit" to her eyes :rolleyes: Lastly there is a skin color that exists amongst blacks (I've heard it refered to as high yellow in certain movies) that matches Clems skin tone perfectly, that makes it far from being certain that there is "definitely some asian in there".

[dubesor]

Sorry but your post is BS. Plenty of asians have lightcolored eyes.
Example of Clems eyecolor: http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/4663/244jl.jpg
(you can look it up, name is Go Ara, no contact lenses and no known caucasians ancestors). This is just one example, there are hundreds of thousands of asian people with lighter eyes.
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/8516/218576980966256017o7rm.jpg
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/6646/khotonnuur9pr.jpg
http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/2435/18095093a8eabdca619md.jpg

Okay maybe blue and green eyes are very uncommon among asians, but a lighter brown/hazel definitely IS NOT.

[thestalkinghead]

why are you arguing about it, i thought Clementine may have been asian at first, but the dev's have said she is black, so i was wrong, maybe they could have made that more clear but nit picking details wont make her change her race

[dubesor]

why are you arguing about it, i thought Clementine may have been asian at first, but the dev's have said she is black, so i was wrong, maybe they could have made that more clear but nit picking details wont make her change her race

I never said she wasn't black. I said she was african american from the very beginning. All I said was that her looks imply that she is a mix. and that she had asian influence. That is all.

[kongdong]

i think we can all conclude she isn't pure black. she definately had some mixes may it be caucasian or asian. personally i always thought she was asian but whatever. this topic is pointless anyways since this isn't a real person but just someone who was drawing someone. could be any race without any proof to back it up since the person doesnt really exist. her looks scream to me: 80% black 20% asian.

[Eric Northman]

Sorry but your post is BS. Plenty of asians have lightcolored eyes.
Example of Clems eyecolor: http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/4663/244jl.jpg
(you can look it up, name is Go Ara, no contact lenses and no known caucasians ancestors). This is just one example, there are hundreds of thousands of asian people with lighter eyes.
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/8516/218576980966256017o7rm.jpg
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/6646/khotonnuur9pr.jpg
http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/2435/18095093a8eabdca619md.jpg

Okay maybe blue and green eyes are very uncommon among asians, but a lighter brown/hazel definitely IS NOT.

Gee, she looks kind of mixed, Almost like she isn't completely asian, almost like one of her parents (or grand parents, or great grand parents) is white. You know there have been a lot of GI's over in asian countries for many many years (many of them feel a sense of shame about having some caucasian heritage, that's where the term son of a gun comes from, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she didn't choose to share the fact that she is mixed). You say that she isn't mixed, I say you are full of BS.

[Eric Northman]

You know, this is starting to bring out a negative side of me. I apologize to anyone that I may have offended, we are all entitled to our own opinions, and I'm sorry for being rude and argumentative, it was uncalled for and just not necessary. Again, I'm sorry for being a jerk, from now on Clem can be as asian as anyone wants her to be and I won't say a word against it. ;)

[dubesor]

wow you are constantly contradicting yourself. she is korean. she is asian. by your logic no one can be assigned to any race because maybe everyone has some mix 20+ generations ahead.
Clem DOES look asian. there are like 20 people in this thread who already said this and a couple of hundreds on the subreddit. Your logic was that Clem can't be asian-mix because she has a lighter eyecolor. I posted pictures proofing you wrong.

Even if Go Ara wasn't full asian (which she is btw, full korean) - what tells us clems ancestors weren't asian-mixes with lighter eyes like go ara themselves? Gosh this is just getting dumb, huge troll who is constantly contradicting himself, I'm done wasting my time. She definitely looks like a african-american/asian mix (read others on this thread please). She looks absolutely nothing like any Caucasian I have ever seen. And I am white myself in a white country. Cya

[DreadMagus]

I feel like I'm watching a couple of hamsters racing along a wheel.....

[Eric Northman]

wow you are constantly contradicting yourself. she is korean. she is asian.

I take it you missed my last post. Also, we fought a war in Korea, there were GI's there, and they had sex with the local girls passing on caucasian features, so I see no contradiction there. I'm not bothering to read the rest of what you wrote, because if you will read my last post you will see that I apologized, and I have no interest in fighting about this anymore. I'm sorry that I've gotten you so worked up.

[dubesor]

I take it you missed my last post.[...]

I'm not bothering to read the rest of what you wrote

Just wow. Then stop posting all together please because I didn't miss anything, but how can you tell without reading anything. Anyways, I take your apology. It was stupid indeed. Now move on.

[Eric Northman]

I feel like I'm watching a couple of hamsters racing along a wheel.....

Hey, I already got off of the wheel. I'm just trying to make nice, now. :D

[Eric Northman]

Just wow. Then stop posting all together please because I didn't miss anything, but how can you tell without reading anything. Anyways, I take your apology. It was stupid indeed. Now move on.

Oh, I got the point you were making, I just disagreed with it, after that I stopped reading because I didn't want to feel compelled to start it up again. Either way it's over now. ;)

[kongdong]

So whats the conclusion does she look asian or not??? I need more action: GO CONTINUE (FIGHT!!!) XDD

[No Regrets]

Clementine is obviously mixed Caucasian and African-American.

[Eric Northman]

So whats the conclusion does she look asian or not??? I need more action: GO CONTINUE (FIGHT!!!) XDD

At this point I'm 99% sure she is a mixture of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Hmong, Vietnamese, and Filipino. I don't know where people got the idea that she's black, I mean what's up with that. ;)

[dubesor]

At this point I'm 99% sure she is a mixture of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Hmong, Vietnamese, and Filipino. I don't know where people got the idea that she's black, I mean what's up with that. ;)

Nice try to be sarcastic but I would like to remind you of what I said before:

I never said she wasn't black. I said she was african american from the very beginning. All I said was that her looks imply that she is a mix. and that she had asian influence. That is all.

[kongdong]

here we go again XDD

[Eric Northman]

Nice try to be sarcastic but I would like to remind you of what I said before:

I was going for self deprecating actually. Not everything I write has to be about you. :D

[Yertos]

IMO she is half black, half white. I don't see the Asian part at all honestly, and people say the same for Carley.

[DreadMagus]

Carley looks like Bree Turner.

[anonymau5]

clem does not look black, her mom looks bi-racial

me thinks the TTG executives didn't make clem dark skinned, because white people wouldn't be very receptive to that imagery

I... have you ever MET a black person? I've met multiple black people with very light skin. I knew one girl who had lighter skin then me (I'm white) but her parents had very dark skin.

[marcu5]

I... have you ever MET a black person? I've met multiple black people with very light skin. I knew one girl who had lighter skin then me (I'm white) but her parents had very dark skin.

i am black.

and i've never seen two dark skinned parents produce a light skinned offspring. her father should probably get a dna test.

[kongdong]

i am black.

and i've never seen two dark skinned parents produce a light skinned offspring. her father should probably get a dna test.

or the mother should get dna test... stop being anti women it could also be the dad cheating

[DreadMagus]

You do realize, I hope, how reproduction works.......?

If the Dad Cheated with someone else, it won't have any effect on Clem's genetics.....

[dubesor]

or the mother should get dna test... stop being anti women it could also be the dad cheating

So you are saying a woman wouldn't realize if she wasn't the mother? LOL

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7074/7300291662_ec3b34c4fc_z.jpg

[DreadMagus]

You should have went with the Nicholas Cage one......

EDIT: Keep going, Dubesor, you make it work. :p

[dubesor]

Nicolas Cage meme wouldn't fit in this context, it is used is as a response to an obvious (true) statement.

The other option would have been the Seriously? atheist meme :D

[kongdong]

You do realize, I hope, how reproduction works.......?

If the Dad Cheated with someone else, it won't have any effect on Clem's genetics.....

I know how it works but what says the dad didn't cheat? why does it have to be the mother? i find it racist to blame the mother and that is what marcu5 did

[Eric Northman]

or the mother should get dna test... stop being anti women it could also be the dad cheating

Was that supposed to be ironic? If the husband was cheating, it would be pretty obvious to the wife that Clem wasn't her daughter.

[DreadMagus]

Picard would have worked as well. ;)


As for cage, for some reason I always saw that as sarcasm in visual form. lol

[DreadMagus]

I know how it works but what says the dad didn't cheat? why does it have to be the mother? i find it racist to blame the mother and that is what marcu5 did

So..... you equate gender to race?

I can only give this idea an implied facepalm.

If one of Clem's parents wasn't one of the parents she thought were her parents, and she wasn't adopted.... the cheater would HAVE to be the mother.

Your parents explained how this worked, right?

Edit: Dammit, now you got me doing it.....

[marcu5]

or the mother should get dna test... stop being anti women it could also be the dad cheating

probably the funniest comment i've ever read. 10/10 trolling A+, would read again

[Vainamoinen]

What an impressive display of "everything's been said".

This discussion has gone on for FAR too long.