**** Survived!!!! :eek:

[Nunyabiznes]

K..... Yes there are two optional endings, and both seem to end with Lee dead. But how can that be? You the player are Lee. And we already know there will be a second season.

So, lets explore the options.

First and most obvious, is the optional ending where Lee is just left behind. So the option of him being dead could be that he just passed out due to the loss of blood.

And in the alternative option.... Clem shoots Lee. Kinda of a final blow with absolute certainty that lee is dead. Or is it? I mean Clem did just learn how to shoot a gun and the all important feature of her closing her eyes as she fired could be a miss shot on an already passed out Lee.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k43/EmraldBoneCrusher/Thoseeyesareclosed.jpg

So you see..... there is still hope you will be playing as Lee in Season 2.

Thoughts or conjectures? Because I'm convinced this is how it will be.

I believe I answer everyone's questions regarding how he can survive through out this thread.... but due to a troll, I refuse to continue with pointless banter after page 5. However if you have a real question that I have not answered I will attempt to answer it...

But think about this point first; there is NO proof that Lee is dead.

[ZimoPoliZ]

K..... Yes there are two optional endings, and both seem to end with Lee dead. But how can that be? You the player are Lee. And we already know there will be a second season.

So, lets explore the options. First and most obvious, is the optional ending where Lee is just left behind. So the option of him being dead could be that he just passed out due to an infection caused by the loss of blood.

And in the alternative option.... Clem shoots Lee. Kinda of a final blow with absolute certainty that lee is dead. Or is it? I mean Clem did just learn how to shoot a gun and the all important feature of her closing her eyes as she fired could be a miss shot on an already passed out Lee.

So you see..... there is still hope you will be playing as Lee in Season 2.

Thoughts or conjectures? Because I'm convinced this is how it will be.

Seems legit! Hope for the best!

[Rambo297]

Hope so.

[AshleyTheNeko]

Lee is dead. End of discussion. Get over it.

[FlyingMouse]

Did you see how sickly Lee looked towards the end of the game? It looked like his eyes were turning yellow and his skin colour looked almost dead. There's no hope for him, it'd be unrealistic to think there was. He was bitten. This is the Walking Dead, people who are bitten die.

(Sure the chopping of the arm may have bought him some time if he would have did it right away, but it wasn't done immediately).

[stevean2]

I have a feeling that the ending whoudnt of had such a big impact if Lee still lives.

He's dead.. and thats agood thing, cause it means its depressing and a good story. Otherwise if Lee is alive in season 2 then that means we'll have a protagonist who cannot die ... canonicly. And that whoudnt be fun anymore.

[Nunyabiznes]

have you ever seen someone with a loss of blood?

That's exactly how they look. Sickly, weak, pale, and dark eyes.

[FlyingMouse]

have you ever seen someone with a loss of blood?

That's exactly how they look. Sickly, weak, pale, and dark eyes.

You can die from blood loss too. :p

[Nunyabiznes]

Also........ It's a season finally. Not a game finally. Meaning you want people to be guessing what is next.

What better way to do that, than to make you think you (Lee) are dead?

[Nunyabiznes]

You can die from blood loss too. :p

But most importantly...... you can survive a loss of blood as well.

[rachellouise85]

also some people didn't cut off his arm.

If there is a chance of Lee being in season 2, it will either be as a corpse, or as a walker.

[FlyingMouse]

Also........ It's a season finally. Not a game finally. Meaning you want people to be guessing what is next.

What better way to do that, than to make you think you (Lee) are dead?

In some people's playthroughs Lee has two arms, in some he has 1. It'd be unrealistic for Telltale to make five more episodes with Lee given the both scenarios. Plus, I don't think there's people immune to the zombie bite in the Walking Dead universe, so people who didn't chop off his arm would just have a dying Lee on their hands, and I don't think Telltale would do that either.

EDIT: Lee doesn't have any blood donors around. He's chained up weak in a room. I don't think he has much energy to call out for help either because he was so weak around Clem. I think he's a goner.

[Kannibal]

have you ever seen someone with a loss of blood?

That's exactly how they look. Sickly, weak, pale, and dark eyes.

Guess what, I didn't cut his arm off and he still had all those symptoms, exactly like Duck had before turning =o


Come on, Lee is dead. We have to accept death in the Walking Dead Universe.

If people can't accept a good guy's death in the walking dead, they better not watch Game of Thrones, lmao.

[Nunyabiznes]

No..... there's no blood donors. But your body does regenerate blood with rest.

I'm not saying Lee is in the best condition. But I'm saying I think he survives.

And you may not have chosen to to keep Doug over Carley in episode 1... but in the end you end up with neither of them with you (at no choice of your own). So even though you may not have cut off your arm at that time. You don't see Lee after the gun shot (or alternate ending) so you don't know how the writers will write in a loss of an arm.

[Nunyabiznes]

If people can't accept a good guy's death in the walking dead ....


I can accept the loss of a good guy........ I just cant accept the loss of the player. i.e. you playing as Lee. They still haven't killed off the main character in the comics or series....

So why or how, could they accomplish such a deed in the game where you have an even larger connection with the main character because you 'are' the main character?

[dylanevans12]

As much as it pains me to say this, and trust me it does, LEE IS DEAD! The quicker you accept this fact the better.

[Kannibal]

No..... there's no blood donors. But your body does regenerate blood with rest.

I'm not saying Lee is in the best condition. But I'm saying I think he survives.

And you may not have chosen to to keep Doug over Carley in episode 1... but in the end you end up with neither of them with you (at no choice of your own). So even though you may not have cut off your arm at that time. You don't see Lee after the gun shot (or alternate ending) so you don't know how the writers will write in a loss of an arm.

Well, ok, the only outcome I can see for you is that somewhat Lee is invulnerable to the infection. It would be kind hilarious to players that chopped his arm off in season 2.



" How did you lost your arm, Lee ? "
Lee:
" Yeah, I though I was infected and chomped it off."
" I was sure it would have stopped the infection, even thou I was not infected in the end, LoL ! "
" I heard some guy in Woodbury can fix this. "
" ........................................... "

[ZimoPoliZ]

I think Lee is alive! This is why:

First of all, when you chose to shoot Lee you still hear him breathe. And another thing! Have you all forgot about Glenn, maybe he found some people maybe a doctor and other dudes with supplies and shit. Then they tried to find Lee and the group. Maybe they found Lee and saved him. Molly is also still in the game, she could have done something, the same with Kenny! You never saw him die. He probably died, but hey! I'm a man of hope! I know the fact that the odds that Lee is alive 1 to a million but a stille have hope! And I hope you have! *dramatic music

[Zeruis]

As much as I want to believe that he's alive, Lee's dead. Clem is a poor shooter? She did just shoot the walker in the head while saving Molly. She shot radio man right in the head. You're telling me she can't shoot Lee point blank in the head within a few feet?

[Kitmit13]

I know its sad but...we need to move on from Lee. It would seem like a cheat to bring him back now. A lot of people seem to be in denial over this =c

[FlyingMouse]

I think Lee is alive! This is why:

First of all, when you chose to shoot Lee you still hear him breathe. And another thing! Have you all forgot about Glenn, maybe he found some people maybe a doctor and other dudes with supplies and shit. Then they tried to find Lee and the group. Maybe they found Lee and saved him. Molly is also still in the game, she could have done something, the same with Kenny! You never saw him die. He probably died, but hey! I'm a man of hope! I know the fact that the odds that Lee is alive 1 to a million but a stille have hope! And I hope you have! *dramatic music

Isn't Glenn a TV canon character? I don't think he'd come back and save Lee.

[SPINEBLOOD]

Even if he was no hand cuff keys and he would starve to death :(

[dylanevans12]

And another thing! Have you all forgot about Glenn, maybe he found some people maybe a doctor and other dudes with supplies and shit.

Glenn is in the comics so would be impossible for him to come back and help

[Crixus]

K..... Yes there are two optional endings, and both seem to end with Lee dead. But how can that be? You the player are Lee. And we already know there will be a second season.

So, lets explore the options.

First and most obvious, is the optional ending where Lee is just left behind. So the option of him being dead could be that he just passed out due to an infection caused by the loss of blood.

And in the alternative option.... Clem shoots Lee. Kinda of a final blow with absolute certainty that lee is dead. Or is it? I mean Clem did just learn how to shoot a gun and the all important feature of her closing her eyes as she fired could be a miss shot on an already passed out Lee.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k43/EmraldBoneCrusher/Thoseeyesareclosed.jpg

So you see..... there is still hope you will be playing as Lee in Season 2.

Thoughts or conjectures? Because I'm convinced this is how it will be.

Seriously???? :confused: Lee is dead,let him RIP. :D

[Noble]

I can accept the loss of a good guy........ I just cant accept the loss of the player. i.e. you playing as Lee. They still haven't killed off the main character in the comics or series....

So why or how, could they accomplish such a deed in the game where you have an even larger connection with the main character because you 'are' the main character?

His wound was never closed as far as I can tell, it wasn't cauterized or stitched. It was open with a bandage wrapped around it, there would be no way Lee would survive that much blood loss and with an arm he would not be able to survive being bitten -- and even if he managed to saw off his arm in there, he would still turn as it would be too late to prevent the blood for circulating throughout his body.

I think Lee is alive! This is why:

First of all, when you chose to shoot Lee you still hear him breathe. And another thing! Have you all forgot about Glenn, maybe he found some people maybe a doctor and other dudes with supplies and shit. Then they tried to find Lee and the group. Maybe they found Lee and saved him. Molly is also still in the game, she could have done something, the same with Kenny! You never saw him die. He probably died, but hey! I'm a man of hope! I know the fact that the odds that Lee is alive 1 to a million but a stille have hope! And I hope you have! *dramatic music

As much as I loved playing as Lee, I'm sorry to say but it is near-impossible for him to be alive. The exhaling you heard was his dying breath. Glenn was a comic/TV character, and he met up with Rick and the others -- it isn't possible for him to go back to save Lee.

[XTheFirestarterX]

You have to come to terms with the fact that in some people's playthroughs, she shot him... she may have just learned how to use a gun, but did you see her shot in Crawford, or at the marsh hotel? And if she missed, she would have shot again and again to stop him from turning until a bullet landed in his head... sorry man, he's dead.

[AGentlman]

Lee is dead. End of discussion. Get over it.
This

[Nunyabiznes]

As much as I want to believe that he's alive, Lee's dead. Clem is a poor shooter? She did just shoot the walker in the head while saving Molly. She shot radio man right in the head. You're telling me she can't shoot Lee point blank in the head within a few feet?


With her eyes closed? (See pic above.)

Yup.... that's what Im telling you.

[gaz be rotten]

Those who played Episode 5 will know how this is possible for those who don't look at it this way.

Threw out Episodes 1-5 you make different choice respond differently and it is stated at the start of each episode the choices you make determine the outcome of the game.

During Episodes 1-4 there maybe choices and responses that may change the outcome of Episode 5. It has not yet been discovered as of the time of this post what choices, actions and responses need to be made and if there are multiple endings to this game. It is automatically assumed that there are only two endings at Episode 5.

However there maybe more endings that have not been found or discovered and of course these could change the events in Episode 5. At the end lee is handcuffed to a radiator or would this event happen if there are multiple endings to the game and the story changes varying your choices made?????

Also what happens if Lee is found and still alive and then given an injection that would counter the infection or reverse some of the damage. Its a long shot but still is possible since he could be found by anyone else. This does seem a long way of but it is possible for this game to have multiple endings and for Lee to survive.

Discuss

[cfergs]

It would be nice to play as Lee again, but don't you think he would have been with Clem in the epilogue scene if she hadn't have killed him (this would only apply to certain endings)?

[Doctanian]

Lee will be back.

[Kannibal]

with her eyes closed? (See pic above.)

Yup.... that's what Im telling you.

Ok whatever, she tried to shot point blank at his head and missed it, and even thou Lee said to her to do it and be strong about it, she gave up and left him handcuffed.
Then a helicopter full of medical staff landed on the roof, found Lee a few minutes later and were able not only to save him, but to cure the infection.
Oh, and the care bears turned all the zombies in the city back into humans again.

[Crixus]

With her eyes closed? (See pic above.)

Yup.... that's what Im telling you.

She opened her eyes at the end before she shot him, seriously Lee is dead,there is no discussion to be had on the matter. Now Kenny however...........

[AnTea]

That's kinda funny to see that now if you don't show directly something to most of the people, they think it never happened.

We don't see him die cause there's no point of seeing him taking a bullet in the head. The story is about Clem' now. Lee is dead. That's all. If she had missed the shot, and Lee was alive, she would have stayed with him. That's all. There's absolutly no way Lee is alive. Maybe we'll see him in the next season, but it will be because Clem decides to bury him if you choose to kill him or to kill him if you let him turn. This is the only possible way we could see him again.

Now, I just want to congrat TTG to have made people being so emotionnally attached to the character that they just want him to survive!

[Nunyabiznes]

She opened her eyes at the end before she shot him, seriously Lee is dead,there is no discussion to be had on the matter. Now Kenny however...........

NOPE....... the eyes are closed!!! :eek:

In addition.... I believe it could be Kenny that comes in and saves him. Noticing that he is not yet dead and having a new found conscience, may feel obligated to help. (writers could have Kenny give him a blood transfusion as well as he could be a universal blood type -- and maybe Kenny cuts the handcuffs or the keys were left since they are no longer of value to Clem)

Also there is still no way of telling someone will die from a bite if the bite area is amputated and the person receives a blood transfusion.

(this shot taken at the exact moment of the gun firing -- thus all the yellow)

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k43/EmraldBoneCrusher/Nope-theeyesareclosed.jpg

[Crixus]

Hopefully in season 2 clem will have flashbacks of things lee said to her and thought her,like learning how to shoot for example. This is the only way we will see Lee again.

[FreeWater]

I really cannot tell if you're serious, dude, sorry.

[zeke10]

Lee is 100% dead

[Crixus]

NOPE....... the eyes are closed!!! :eek:

(this shot taken at the exact moment of the gun firing -- thus all the yellow)

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k43/EmraldBoneCrusher/Nope-theeyesareclosed.jpg

She was looking through tear filled eyes but they were open, anyways a monkey could make that shot with their eyes closed it was from point blank range! :D Let the man RIP

[Crixus]

Lee is 100% dead

^ This

[Bcroft]

I think you should do your homework into the outcomes, Lee isn't going to get an injection

[Nunyabiznes]

Lee will be back.

This.......... mark my words.

[Nunyabiznes]

She was looking through tear filled eyes but they were open, anyways a monkey could make that shot with their eyes closed it was from point blank range! :D Let the man RIP


Sorry but I'm not pouring out my 40 until I know he's gone.

[Crixus]

Those who played Episode 5 will know how this is possible for those who don't look at it this way.

Threw out Episodes 1-5 you make different choice respond differently and it is stated at the start of each episode the choices you make determine the outcome of the game.

During Episodes 1-4 there maybe choices and responses that may change the outcome of Episode 5. It has not yet been discovered as of the time of this post what choices, actions and responses need to be made and if there are multiple endings to this game. It is automatically assumed that there are only two endings at Episode 5.

However there maybe more endings that have not been found or discovered and of course these could change the events in Episode 5. At the end lee is handcuffed to a radiator or would this event happen if there are multiple endings to the game and the story changes varying your choices made?????

Also what happens if Lee is found and still alive and then given an injection that would counter the infection or reverse some of the damage. Its a long shot but still is possible since he could be found by anyone else. This does seem a long way of but it is possible for this game to have multiple endings and for Lee to survive.

Discuss

There is one and only one ending, Lee dies. How you get their on the journey may be slightly diifferent but the destination is always the same, RIP Lee

[Doctanian]

this.......... Mark my words.

lolol

[Doctanian]

I love how all the people who are so sure Lee's dead flock to the thread claiming he isn't.

[Noble]

I love how all the people who are so sure Lee's dead flock to the thread claiming he isn't.

http://www.maniacworld.com/end-cat.jpg

[Crixus]

I love how all the people who are so sure Lee's dead flock to the thread claiming he isn't.

lol its worse then believing carley had survived, we even seen her get shot in the head, some people are just in denial i guess! :D

[AnTea]

I love how all the people who are so sure Lee's dead flock to the thread claiming he isn't.

Cause we're on a forum to talk and debate about the game? I'm pretty sure you'd like this thread to be just "OMG YOU'RE SO RIGHT <3 <3 ", but sorry, that's not how it works... Yeah, sometimes people can think others can be wrong.

TWD is just like this. I'm not talkign about the show, I'm talking about the comics. There's no happy twist except in the first album, that's all we're saying.

Now, I think that's kinda cool, being stubborn with this idea, it just proves that TTG had created a wonderful character!

[Doctanian]

Cause we're on a forum to talk and debate about the game?

You're right, saying "Lee's dead. Get over it" is masterful discussion and debating.

[Saracenar]

Wow. I see some of us are stuck in the stages of dealing with grief and loss.

Stage 1: Denial

In the Walking Dead universe, if you are bitten you die. The bite is 100% fatal and always leads to death, unless immediate amputation occurs.

Lee took too long to cut his arm off (if he does it at all). By the time he decides (or doesn't decide) to cut it off, he has already passed out once. This means the infection is already affecting him; it has spread too far to be stopped.

Even if Clementine missed (if she was told to shoot him), and given how good a shot she is now, I find that highly impossible, Lee is still infected. He can't survive a bite.

Even if Kenny or some magical rescue team arrived on the scene, there is nothing that can be done for Lee. This game follows comic book canon, and as Kirkman himself as said, there is no cure, there is nothing that can prevent a zombie bite from killing someone except for immediate amputation. And that didn't happen.

Face it. Lee is dead.

Enjoy stages 2-5.

Anger: "WHY TELLTALE DID YOU HAVE TO KILL LEE I HATE YOU I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER GAME FROM YOU YOU ARE MONSTERS GARBLE GARBLE RAGE RAGE DEATH THREATS" etc.

Bargaining: "Please Telltale, I'll buy every game you've ever made if you just let Lee live into season 2. I'll do anything. Please."

Depression and Acceptance: Most of us are here, waiting for you to catch up.

Lee is gone.

[Crixus]

There ain't nothing to debate about, he is as dead as sure as night follows day

[AnTea]

You're right, saying "Lee's dead. Get over it" is masterful discussion and debating.

Cause "You're dumb, Lee's not dead, Clem close her eyes"
He's a masterful one?

[Crixus]

wow. I see some of us are stuck in the stages of dealing with grief and loss.

stage 1: Denial

in the walking dead universe, if you are bitten you die. The bite is 100% fatal and always leads to death, unless immediate amputation occurs.

Lee took too long to cut his arm off (if he does it at all). By the time he decides (or doesn't decide) to cut it off, he has already passed out once. This means the infection is already affecting him; it has spread too far to be stopped.

Even if clementine missed (if she was told to shoot him), and given how good a shot she is now, i find that highly impossible, lee is still infected. He can't survive a bite.

Even if kenny or some magical rescue team arrived on the scene, there is nothing that can be done for lee. This game follows comic book canon, and as kirkman himself as said, there is no cure, there is nothing that can prevent a zombie bite from killing someone except for immediate amputation. And that didn't happen.

Face it. lee is dead.

enjoy stages 2-5.

Anger: "why telltale did you have to kill lee i hate you i will never buy another game from you you are monsters garble garble rage rage death threats" etc.

Bargaining: "please telltale, i'll buy every game you've ever made if you just let lee live into season 2. I'll do anything. Please."

depression and acceptance: Most of us are here, waiting for you to catch up.

Lee is gone.

^^^^^^^^^ this

[Nunyabiznes]

There is one and only one ending, Lee dies. How you get their on the journey may be slightly diifferent but the destination is always the same, RIP Lee


Oh... didn't realize you were the one that wrote the story. Funny thing is I never saw Crixus as a writer in the credits. (because you are not)

But IMO. There is more chance for Lee to live than there is for him to die.

[Nunyabiznes]

There ain't nothing to debate about, he is as dead as sure as night follows day

Ummm since there was dark before light.... Day follows night. not the other way around.

ohh and Lee is alive.

[AnTea]

Ok. Let's say Clem just didn't shoot him in the head.

She opens her eyes, shaking her hands cause she thinks she just killed the guy who has been taking care of her for months.
But he's not dead, she missed her shot.

What happens next? Lee was dying anyway.

Lee looks at her, and just gives his final breathe. He dies and turns. That's all. She runs away or just kill walker Lee.

[Crixus]

Oh... didn't realize you were the one that wrote the story. Funny thing is I never saw Crixus as a writer in the credits. (because you are not)

But IMO. There is more chance for Lee to live than there is for him to die.

Dude I am in the credits, pause at 0.10! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dO81CPjI_E

[Doctanian]

Cause "You're dumb, Lee's not dead, Clem close her eyes"
He's a masterful one?

Never said "Lee's alive" supporters were any better. Both sides are pretty rude. I just find it hilarious how people who say Lee's dead come to forums expressing new theories on his survival. It's like saying a room's empty, but checking it everytime someone says something's in there.

[AnnaSan]

I know others would think it would be awesome to see zombified Lee, but hopefully they won't. I don't want Clem to see him turn into a walker, it's much better to end his misery :c

[Harry Callahan]

Lee's totally alive! He gets saved by Carley, who's feeling much better after having a relaxing nap in the road and has been tracking him all this time. Not only that, but the zombie plague has been cured! The first chapter of Season 2 is all about Lee and Carley's wedding, and everybody comes, including a lot of other people who turned out to have survived, such as Kenny, Ben, Duck, Katjaa, Chuck, Doug, Larry (who had a change of heart and became nice), Mark (whose legs grew back) and Lee's parents and brother. Daryl even make a special guest appearance to give them a big wedding cake he made out of squirrels. Then the RV drives up, loaded with wedding presents, and Lilly gets out and apologizes to Carley and they become best friends. DJ Doug rigs up an awesome sound system and everyone has a huge dance party. Afterwards Lee and Carley adopt Clem, even though Clem's parents are still alive, too, and then they have seven more babies, which all become best friends with Omid and Christa's baby. Then Guybrush Threepwood shows up and reveals that he was the one who cured the plague by using La Esponja Grande.

Seriously, that's exactly how it's going to go down, just wait and see.

[englishnick]

Blind, false hope. I'm as cut up about it as anybody... but he's dead as. Clem has already proved she can shoot straight on several occasions now, so I doubt she'd miss from 3 feet away. And if Lee were alive, Clementine wouldn't leave his side (reference her somehow dragging his unconcious body to garage when they were surrounded with zombies)... so the mini-epilogue wouldn't happen. If Lee were there, why would she be alone? Why would she have the pistol? Why would she look so uncertain and scared at the sight of the two figures on the hill?

Like I said... I wish Lee survived as much as anyone... but it just isn't the case.

[AnTea]

Never said "Lee's alive" supporters were any better. Both sides are pretty rude. I just find it hilarious how people who say Lee's dead come to forums expressing new theories on his survival. It's like saying a room's empty, but checking it everytime someone says something's in there.

Dude, that's the point with internet.

[anonymau5]

Reasons why Lee is dead
1. He was shot at point blank range.
2. If he wasn't shot, he was still bitten, there is no cure for that.
3. In a more meta bit, It would be bad writing for TellTale to keep him alive
4. Okay, let's say that he survived: It doesn't matter. There is no chance that he'll track down Clementine again. We might get to play as him in season 2, but no one would like that.
5. Almost everyone had Lee handcuffed, and, he wasn't able to move right before Clem either took the shot, or left him, so why should he after she's gone? If he survived he would be stuck in that one building until he died of blood loss, thirst, or walkers.

[Doctanian]

Dude, that's the point with internet.

I know, I know. Still silly to me, though.

[Saracenar]

I'd like people to address my previous post about the stages of grief, but in the meantime, here's a glint of hope.

It's very possible we could play as Lee again in season 2!











But I can't imagine playing as a walker or a corpse would be that fun.

[Crixus]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdd7nzrJVFZKlUtanD9k4y-ZdtVfqgT2qrj3iZu2gerMKkNKlYUA

My reaction to this thread :D

[Nunyabiznes]

Reasons why Lee is dead
1. He was shot at point blank range.
2. If he wasn't shot, he was still bitten, there is no cure for that.
3. In a more meta bit, It would be bad writing for TellTale to keep him alive
4. Okay, let's say that he survived: It doesn't matter. There is no chance that he'll track down Clementine again. We might get to play as him in season 2, but no one would like that.
5. Almost everyone had Lee handcuffed, and, he wasn't able to move right before Clem either took the shot, or left him, so why should he after she's gone? If he survived he would be stuck in that one building until he died of blood loss, thirst, or walkers.

Reasons Lee is alive
(actually just conjecture to your reasons for him to be dead)
1. With her eyes closed, Clem could have missed.
2. His arm and the bite was, or will be, amputated, prior to the infection doing the worst of its damage... that plus a possible blood transfusion could be enough to save Lee (only the next season will tell for sure)
3. It would be more bad writing for TellTale not to leave the season with nothing to talk about. And as bad writing goes... Killing of the only main character, is real bad writing... no book that has ever tried it, does well.
4. As already stated before... The writers can just as simply put Kenny, or someone else for that matter, in that room minutes after Clem walks out and see that Lee needs help. They could either cut the handcuffs or use the key since Clem no longer needs them, she might not have taken the keys with her.

You see, since the next season has yet to come... you guys don't see the chance, but it's there.

(additionally I wasn't one of the ones that thought Carley was alive when they showed her shot in the head)

[Crixus]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdd7nzrJVFZKlUtanD9k4y-ZdtVfqgT2qrj3iZu2gerMKkNKlYUA

My reaction to this thread :D

Reasons Lee is alive
(actually just conjecture to your reasons for him to be dead)
1. With her eyes closed, Clem could have missed.
2. His arm and the bite was, or will be, amputated, prior to the infection doing the worst of its damage... that plus a possible blood transfusion could be enough to save Lee (only the next season will tell for sure)
3. It would be more bad writing for TellTale not to leave the season with nothing to talk about.
4. As already stated before... The writers can just as simply put Kenny in that room minutes after Clem walks out and see that Lee needs help. He could either cut the handcuffs or use the key since Clem no longer needs them, she might not have taken them with her.

You see, since the next season has yet to come... you guys don't see the chance, but it's there.

(additionally I wasn't one of the ones that thought Carley was alive when they showed her shot in the head)

I..I Just..I can't, I can't even..... :(

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[Nunyabiznes]

I..I Just..I can't, I can't even..... :(

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I thinks it's funny you have nothing productive to say....except to lie about being the writer of episode 5.... since that's the case, nothing you have to say even counts. Which is why you cant.... you just cant.

[FollowLilly]

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My reaction to this thread :D

this

i dont understand how people can be so obtuse
why do people think Lee fainted in the first place?
what, he just got tired of opening the elevator and took a nap on the floor?
at that point you know its already too late
cutting his arm off may have slowed it down, but you already know its spread too far at that point

[Crixus]

I thinks it's funny you have nothing productive to say....except to lie about being the writer of episode 5.... since that's the case, nothing you have to say even counts. Which is why you cant.... you just cant.
I cant believe you actually checked to see if the writer was called crixus. I was kidding.

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Seriously though i can't tell you what to believe,if you want to keep up the hope that he is still alive you can,im just trying to spare you the dissapointment you'll feel when he isnt in season 2,alive at least

[FlyingMouse]

Reasons Lee is alive
(actually just conjecture to your reasons for him to be dead)
1. With her eyes closed, Clem could have missed.
2. His arm and the bite was, or will be, amputated, prior to the infection doing the worst of its damage... that plus a possible blood transfusion could be enough to save Lee (only the next season will tell for sure)
3. It would be more bad writing for TellTale not to leave the season with nothing to talk about. And as bad writing goes... Killing of the only main character, is real bad writing... no book that has ever tried it, does well.
4. As already stated before... The writers can just as simply put Kenny, or someone else for that matter, in that room minutes after Clem walks out and see that Lee needs help. They could either cut the handcuffs or use the key since Clem no longer needs them, she might not have taken the keys with her.

You see, since the next season has yet to come... you guys don't see the chance, but it's there.

(additionally I wasn't one of the ones that thought Carley was alive when they showed her shot in the head)

1) Presumably, she would open her eyes after shooting Lee and see the damage she did. We don't see that because the screen goes dark.

2) I don't know how help could reach Lee. The city their in is pretty empty (zombies don't count as people with medical training), and I doubt a random van of trained medical professionals could just happen upon Lee in the building he is in and magically have the tools to save him. Lee would be too weak to shout for help anyways if he did somehow survive the gunshot, or if he was really just fainting due to lack of blood.

3) Shakespeare. Tragic heroes. Would tell you an example of a main character dying off in a certain recent Rockstar video game, but I suppose that'd spoil it for some people. Clem was Lee's redemption after the crimes he committed (his flaw). Tragic heroes have flaws...And they die at the end of their plays/storylines).

Plus there is a lot of things to speculate about for season 2. Main characters? Is Kenny alright? How's Molly? I could go on...

4) I doubt Kenny or anyone would know they were in the building. Considering it was hard to get into and surrounded by zombies.

I appreciate your enthusiasm trying to prove your point though. :P But I think Lee coming back to life and suddenly being okay for another season would be an example of bad writing.

[Nunyabiznes]

I cant believe you actually checked to see if the writer was called crixus. I was kidding.


No one has to check to know you are not the writer.

[Crixus]

No one has to check to know you are not the writer.

Except you then?

[Nunyabiznes]

1) Presumably, she would open her eyes after shooting Lee and see the damage she did. We don't see that because the screen goes dark.

2) I don't know how help could reach Lee. The city their in is pretty empty (zombies don't count as people with medical training), and I doubt a random van of trained medical professionals could just happen upon Lee in the building he is in and magically have the tools to save him. Lee would be too weak to shout for help anyways if he did somehow survive the gunshot, or if he was really just fainting due to lack of blood.

3) Shakespeare. Tragic heroes. Would tell you an example of a main character dying off in a certain recent Rockstar video game, but I suppose that'd spoil it for some people. Clem was Lee's redemption after the crimes he committed (his flaw). Tragic heroes have flaws...And they die at the end of their plays/storylines).

4) I doubt Kenny or anyone would know they were in the building. Considering it was hard to get into and surrounded by zombies.

I appreciate your enthusiasm trying to prove your point though. :P But I think Lee coming back to life and suddenly being okay for another season would be an example of bad writing.


1) As you said the screen went black so we will never know if she looked back. So why you chose no number this one, I have to clue.

2) Help could just walk through the door in the form of Kenny who was also looking to hook back up with the group looking for Clem ... Or, even as slim as the possibility is, there 'could' be someone with medical training walking by as the gun shot is fired. (now you know how help could reach him) There was a gun shot to alert people outside the door to someone living being in the building. (now you know how they were alerted without Lee having to shout)

3) Tragedies are not continual series.... they end because they are tragedies.

4) As I said before, the gun shot could have been heard... And since Lee was trying to open the door in his weakened state with a little girl, it's possible that the door can be opened with more effort from someone else. Or they could come in through the now unlocked door that Clem just exited from. Which would play even better for that being where they find the keys for the handcuffs.

I'm sorry to tell you folks... but there is a ton of reasons and easy ways to write the story with Lee being alive in Season 2. And there is more reason for Lee to be left for dead but survive that there is for the writers to suddenly have to re-create a new character from which you would have to play.

[Araron]

Lee.is.dead.

[Saracenar]

Nunyabiznes, please address my previous post, from page 3. I clearly lay out all the reasons that Lee cannot survive this.

In case you're too lazy or stubborn to, I'll help you out:

-Bites are 100$ fatal unless immediate amputation occurs. Was Lee's amputation immediate? No. He was already feeling the effects of the bite before he cut off his arm.
-Even if Clementine missed him, she would open her eyes afterwards and see that she had missed. Then she'd shoot him again or leave him (in which case, the bite, which cannot be stopped, would kill him).

Additional arguments:

-Where would help come from? Everyone Lee knows is long gone.
-Even if someone found him, it'd probably be too late.
-Even if it wasn't too late, and he was still alive, what are the chances this person has something on them that they can amputate with (but as I mentioned above, it doesn't matter any more), or that they have medical supplies (let alone something capable of performing a blood transfusion)? Slim chances.

Putting someone in that room the minute Clem leaves would be bad writing. Terrible writing.

As mentioned by FlyingMouse, read Shakespeare. Ever heard of Romeo and Juliet? Hamlet? Macbeth? I'm guessing not.

[Crixus]

There just ain't no reasoning with some folk. You could tell them the sky is blue yet they would argue that its purple

[Nunyabiznes]

Lee.is.dead.

Hmmm but he's not shown as dead. So how do you know he's dead?

[Crixus]

Hmmm but he's not shown as dead. So how do you know he's dead?

You can't see the wind yet its there. People seen carrley get shot in the head and they still tried to say she was alive

[Saracenar]

There just ain't no reasoning with some folk. You could tell them the sky is blue yet they would argue that its purple

Agreed.

Hmmm but he's not shown as dead. So how do you know he's dead?

Still in denial, still ignoring my posts.

[Nunyabiznes]

Nunyabiznes, please address my previous post, from page 3. I clearly lay out all the reasons that Lee cannot survive this.

In case you're too lazy or stubborn to, I'll help you out:

-Bites are 100$ fatal unless immediate amputation occurs. Was Lee's amputation immediate? No. He was already feeling the effects of the bite before he cut off his arm.
-Even if Clementine missed him, she would open her eyes afterwards and see that she had missed. Then she'd shoot him again or leave him (in which case, the bite, which cannot be stopped, would kill him).

Additional arguments:

-Where would help come from? Everyone Lee knows is long gone.
-Even if someone found him, it'd probably be too late.
-Even if it wasn't too late, and he was still alive, what are the chances this person has something on them that they can amputate with (but as I mentioned above, it doesn't matter any more), or that they have medical supplies (let alone something capable of performing a blood transfusion)? Slim chances.

Putting someone in that room the minute Clem leaves would be bad writing. Terrible writing.

As mentioned by FlyingMouse, read Shakespeare. Ever heard of Romeo and Juliet? Hamlet? Macbeth? I'm guessing not.


K... I will try as Im not a writer, They can chose to go in whatever direction they want.

But
-Bites are 100$ fatal unless immediate amputation occurs. Was Lee's amputation immediate? No. He was already feeling the effects of the bite before he cut off his arm.

(Answer) There is no proof that bites are 100% fatal (not even in the comics) But there is proof that they can be fatal. So with this, we know that the bite should be amputated as soon as possible. What I mean is that even if you have a snake bite victim where the poison has begun to reach the heart, you can still give a blood flush to clean the blood to save the victim. Lee's Blood loss could be that blood flush he needs to survive.

-Even if Clementine missed him, she would open her eyes afterwards and see that she had missed. Then she'd shoot him again or leave him (in which case, the bite, which cannot be stopped, would kill him).

(Answer) They never showed her look after the shot. So you really don't know that... you are only putting it in to fit your perspective. And I already discussed the bite. He could just need fresh blood. The writers could place that blood in his veins in a million different ways between now and the next season. You will have to just wait and see how they do it.

[Nunyabiznes]

Agreed.



Still in denial, still ignoring my posts.

Actually I must have missed your last post on page 3 as described.... and you should give time before resorting to labeling someone as lazy or stubborn. As You can see I answered your questions above.

[Crixus]

K... I will try as Im not a writer, They can chose to go in whatever direction they want.

But
-Bites are 100$ fatal unless immediate amputation occurs. Was Lee's amputation immediate? No. He was already feeling the effects of the bite before he cut off his arm.

(Answer) There is no proof that bites are 100% fatal (not even in the comics) But there is proof that they can be fatal. So with this, we know that the bite should be amputated as soon as possible. What I mean is that even if you have a snake bite victim where the poison has begun to reach the heart, you can still give a blood flush to clean the blood to save the victim. Lee's Blood loss could be that blood flush he needs to survive.

-Even if Clementine missed him, she would open her eyes afterwards and see that she had missed. Then she'd shoot him again or leave him (in which case, the bite, which cannot be stopped, would kill him).

(Answer) They never showed her look after the shot. So you really don't know that... you are only putting it in to fit your perspective. And I already discussed the bite. He could just need fresh blood. The writers could place that blood in his veins in a million different ways between now and the next season. You wil have to just way and see how they do it.

I take it you have never seriously read the comics or watched the TV Show then?

[FlyingMouse]

They never showed her look after the shot. So you really don't know that... you are only putting it in to fit your perspective. And I already discussed the bite. He could just need fresh blood. The writers could place that blood in his veins in a million different ways between now and the next season. You wil have to just way and see how they do it.

Wouldn't Lee be groaning or react in some way if the shot missed him? He wouldn't remain perfectly still while watching Clem run away. He was a man ready to be killed, he didn't want to be a zombie (in certain playthroughs) so it wouldn't make sense for him to just be quiet.

Plus, if I was going through what he was going through. I'd be moaning in pain a lot.

[Nunyabiznes]

Wouldn't Lee be groaning or react in some way if the shot missed him? He wouldn't remain perfectly still while watching Clem run away. He was a man ready to be killed, he didn't want to be a zombie (in certain playthroughs) so it wouldn't make sense for him to just be quiet.

Plus, if I was going through what he was going through. I'd be moaning in pain a lot.

Not really he was passing out.... people don't wake up due to pain in surgery because they are unconscious. It's the same if someone passes out due to extreme pain or loss of blood as in this situation.

[Crixus]

Not really he was passing out.... people don't wake up due to pain in surgery because they are unconscious. It's the same if someone passes out due to extreme pain or loss of blood as in this situation.

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[Nunyabiznes]

I take it you have never seriously read the comics or watched the TV Show then?


Obviously you don't know anything about me Crixus so unless you have something constructive to say to the commentary or discussion, of which you have not so far...... move on or understand why there will no longer be a banter with your trolling.

[SabreNation]

LOL, don't bother guys. Denial is a POWERFUL thing and I guarantee you these "ZOMG! KENNY SURVIVED!!" and "ZOMG! NO WAY IS LEE DEAD!!!" are the exact same folks who were arguing tooth and nail after Episode 4 that Lee WASN'T really bit and if you play the video in super duper mega slow-mo and tilt your head and just the right angle at just the right moment you see the walker didn't actually bite down so CLEARLY Lee didn't get bit, he just got scratched and he's going to be fine.

You could bring out the very writers and designers who are creating season 2 right now to tell these folks, face-to-face, that Lee is absolutely, unequivocally dead and will not be returning and they would look at it as proof that they are correct ("SEE!! THEY'RE TRYING TO TRICK US!!! THEY WOULDN'T SAY THAT UNLESS HE WAS ACTUALLY ALIVE AND THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY IT!!!")

This is The Walking Dead. Characters come and go like the seasons. Nobody is safe and major, important characters die often, usually in terrible ways. It's the way it is and it is part of what makes the world so special - that feeling that nobody is ever really safe and anyone could go at any given time in any given issue/episode.

[Crixus]

Obviously you don't know anything about me Crixus so unless you have something constructive to say to the commentary...... move on or understand why there will no longer be a banter with your trolling.

But i love the banter! :D

Seriously about lee though he was dead and....

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[Crixus]

LOL, don't bother guys. Denial is a POWERFUL thing and I guarantee you these "ZOMG! KENNY SURVIVED!!" and "ZOMG! NO WAY IS LEE DEAD!!!" are the exact same folks who were arguing tooth and nail after Episode 4 that Lee WASN'T really bit and if you play the video in super duper mega slow-mo and tilt your head and just the right angle at just the right moment you see the walker didn't actually bite down so CLEARLY Lee didn't get bit, he just got scratched and he's going to be fine.

You could bring out the very writers and designers who are creating season 2 right now to tell these folks, face-to-face, that Lee is absolutely, unequivocally dead and will not be returning and they would look at it as proof that they are correct ("SEE!! THEY'RE TRYING TO TRICK US!!! THEY WOULDN'T SAY THAT UNLESS HE WAS ACTUALLY ALIVE AND THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY IT!!!")

This is The Walking Dead. Characters come and go like the seasons. Nobody is safe and major, important characters die often, usually in terrible ways. It's the way it is and it is part of what makes the world so special - that feeling that nobody is ever really safe and anyone could go at any given time in any given issue/episode.

I can accept the kenny theory's coz quiet frankly i am 50/50 on him but lee is 100% gone

[Nunyabiznes]

LOL, don't bother guys. Denial is a POWERFUL thing and I guarantee you these "ZOMG! KENNY SURVIVED!!" and "ZOMG! NO WAY IS LEE DEAD!!!" are the exact same folks who were arguing tooth and nail after Episode 4 that Lee WASN'T really bit and if you play the video in super duper mega slow-mo and tilt your head and just the right angle at just the right moment you see the walker didn't actually bite down so CLEARLY Lee didn't get bit, he just got scratched and he's going to be fine.

You could bring out the very writers and designers who are creating season 2 right now to tell these folks, face-to-face, that Lee is absolutely, unequivocally dead and will not be returning and they would look at it as proof that they are correct ("SEE!! THEY'RE TRYING TO TRICK US!!! THEY WOULDN'T SAY THAT UNLESS HE WAS ACTUALLY ALIVE AND THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY IT!!!")

This is The Walking Dead. Characters come and go like the seasons. Nobody is safe and major, important characters die often, usually in terrible ways. It's the way it is and it is part of what makes the world so special - that feeling that nobody is ever really safe and anyone could go at any given time in any given issue/episode.


If the writers were here saying that.......

But they are not. And so far there is no proof that Lee or Kenny are Dead.

[Crixus]

If the writers were here saying that.......

But they are not. And so far there is no proof that Lee or Kenny are Dead.

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[Nunyabiznes]

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What proof do you have that either Lee or Kenny is dead? Please post your screen shot. Otherwise move on Troll.

[Crixus]

What proof do you have that either Lee or Kenny is dead? Please post your screen shot. Otherwise move on Troll.

I never said Kenny is dead, i said i was 50/50 on it because you never see him die, Lee was bitten which is fatal, so he was always going to die, thankfully Clem killed him first by putting him out of his misery. Seriously your like the only person on this whole thread who doesnt think Lee is dead, i think you might be trolling. If so well played because you really made us all think that you actually thought lee was still alive

[Saracenar]

Actually I must have missed your last post on page 3 as described.... and you should give time before resorting to labeling someone as lazy or stubborn. As You can see I answered your questions above.

Sorry. I was a bit too quick to judge.

K... I will try as Im not a writer, They can chose to go in whatever direction they want.

But
-Bites are 100$ fatal unless immediate amputation occurs. Was Lee's amputation immediate? No. He was already feeling the effects of the bite before he cut off his arm.

(Answer) There is no proof that bites are 100% fatal (not even in the comics) But there is proof that they can be fatal. So with this, we know that the bite should be amputated as soon as possible. What I mean is that even if you have a snake bite victim where the poison has begun to reach the heart, you can still give a blood flush to clean the blood to save the victim. Lee's Blood loss could be that blood flush he needs to survive.


Robert Kirkman, creator of the Walking Dead, has said that bites are 100% fatal. He is god in this universe.


-Even if Clementine missed him, she would open her eyes afterwards and see that she had missed. Then she'd shoot him again or leave him (in which case, the bite, which cannot be stopped, would kill him).

(Answer) They never showed her look after the shot. So you really don't know that... you are only putting it in to fit your perspective. And I already discussed the bite. He could just need fresh blood. The writers could place that blood in his veins in a million different ways between now and the next season. You will have to just wait and see how they do it.

But why would it be like that? Why wouldn't she look at him? Are you saying she'd just turn around and run away, with her eyes closed the whole time? That doesn't seem right at all.

Obviously you aren't going to give up on this. I love Lee as much as the next person, and I was really sad about the ending. But he is dead. He isn't coming back. It'd just be plain bad writing for Telltale to pull something like that.

[WD40]

To quote a good song 'No safety or surprise, the end. I'll never look into your eyes...again'

Sometimes something is as thus presented. No surprise, no sudden safety from his fate, it is the end.

I took it as his end when the screen didn't transition screens, it didn't fade out, it simply dropped to black upon a silent screen. It was a clear sign to me that Lee had met his fate, seeing as he was the eyes of the player and that eye into the world was now gone.

[Crixus]

To quote a good song 'No safety or surprise, the end. I'll never look into your eyes...again'

Sometimes something is as thus presented. No surprise, no sudden safety from his fate, it is the end.

I took it as his end when the screen didn't transition screens, it didn't fade out, it simply dropped to black upon a silent screen. It was a clear sign to me that Lee had met his fate, seeing as he was the eyes of the player and that eye into the world was now gone.

^ This

[Nunyabiznes]

But why would it be like that? Why wouldn't she look at him? Are you saying she'd just turn around and run away, with her eyes closed the whole time? That doesn't seem right at all.

Obviously you aren't going to give up on this. I love Lee as much as the next person, and I was really sad about the ending. But he is dead. He isn't coming back. It'd just be plain bad writing for Telltale to pull something like that.

I 'am' saying that after she shot, she simply turned and ran... wanting to get out of there as fast as possible.

And sorry but I have no interest in playing the next season as a little girl. I'm sure the writers see that from most of the fans playing the game.

[Crixus]

I 'am' saying that after she shot, she simply turned and ran... wanting to get out of there as fast as possible.

And sorry but I have no interest in playing the next season as a little girl. I'm sure the writers see that from most of the fans playing the game.

My friend your are stuck on stage 1, most people just went from stage 4-5, you have a long journey but we are here to help you see the light! :D


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[Saracenar]

I don't know if we'll be playing as Clementine. It's possible that we play as Christa or Omid (probably more likely to be Omid, because of Christa's pregnancy - you are now tasked with protecting two, and eventually three, very important people). He seems like a pretty well-rounded character.

Otherwise, I could see an entirely new character who may interact with Christa, Omid and Clem being used.

[Crixus]

I don't know if we'll be playing as Clementine. It's possible that we play as Christa or Omid (probably more likely to be Omid, because of Christa's pregnancy - you are now tasked with protecting two, and eventually three, very important people). He seems like a pretty well-rounded character.

Otherwise, I could see an entirely new character who may interact with Christa, Omid and Clem being used.

I agree

[Tyrant]

Is it possible for Michonne to be the next protagonist?

[Crixus]

Is it possible for Michonne to be the next protagonist?

No,it can't be anything that would conflict with the comic canon im afraid

[Doctanian]

This is The Walking Dead. Characters come and go like the seasons. Nobody is safe and major, important characters die often, usually in terrible ways. It's the way it is and it is part of what makes the world so special - that feeling that nobody is ever really safe and anyone could go at any given time in any given issue/episode.

Except Rick and Carl.

[Nunyabiznes]

Except Rick and Carl.

Because they are the main. Just like Lee and Clem.

[wezzulus]

Because they are the main. Just like Lee and Clem.
Kirkman stated that Rick can die before the Walking Dead is over. So him being a main has nothing to do with it. Plus Kirkman also stated that bites leave a wound that is so infected it's 100% fatal.
My question to you is, why do you go against what the creator of The Walking Dead says? Clearly the writer said it was 100% fatal, so according to your logic, which is, that if the writer states so it's true. Then this is now true and you can accept it. Lee is gone. Season 1 was his and Clementine's story, now Clementine will move on and most likely introduce another main character unless we'll be playing as her. Which wo knows, might turn out to be interesting.

Also, the breathing you could hear were his last breaths. Ever been with someone that was dying or maybe a pet that got put to sleep? After the heart stops there is one or two last breaths left.

[dancingwithvodka]

i think its wonderful that there is so much discussion on this.. but im a little confused as to why its being debated in the first place.
I was actually more convinced that Kenny had survived, as i had played the Ben originally survives and is with the boat scenerio and not the other where he is already dead.

I think someone mentioned earlier that it would be cool to play her as a grown up Clementine.. the only problem with that is that doesnt this comic take place over a year or so? I have not read the comics, but i dont think she would be an adult or anything.

I think it would be neat to play molly.. shes a lot like Lilly.. very independent and resourceful (when not shooting people in the face of course)

[roroown]

Did you see how sickly Lee looked towards the end of the game? It looked like his eyes were turning yellow and his skin colour looked almost dead. There's no hope for him, it'd be unrealistic to think there was. He was bitten. This is the Walking Dead, people who are bitten die.

(Sure the chopping of the arm may have bought him some time if he would have did it right away, but it wasn't done immediately).

Where in the game does it ACTUALLY CONFIRMS that being bitten means you die or you turn?

There are absolutely no events that CONFIRMS that, the most you get out of the game is that you turn if you die, no matter how you die.

Like when Lee chocked the old fker that stole Clem, you can shoot him so he doesn't turn, confirmed by Clem and Lee.

Also, yellow eyes means there's a problem with your liver, not that you'll die or something.

Skin colour being white-ish because of the loss of blood, he could have survived or is actually alive.

[Kannibal]

Well, you have two options..

The first and dumb option is : Clementine closed her eyes to miss the shot..

Or the second and most obvious outcome: She was close enough to make a point blank shot, and closed her eyes because she didnt want to see the brains of the one she loved spilled all over the wall.

[Saracenar]

Where in the game does it ACTUALLY CONFIRMS that being bitten means you die or you turn?

There are absolutely no events that CONFIRMS that, the most you get out of the game is that you turn if you die, no matter how you die.

Like when Lee chocked the old fker that stole Clem, you can shoot him so he doesn't turn, confirmed by Clem and Lee.

Also, yellow eyes means there's a problem with your liver, not that you'll die or something.

Skin colour being white-ish because of the loss of blood, he could have survived or is actually alive.

The game doesn't have to confirm that being bitten means you die or turn. Robert Kirkman, the creator of the Walking Dead, confirmed it.

[Nunyabiznes]

Kirkman stated that Rick can die before the Walking Dead is over. So him being a main has nothing to do with it. Plus Kirkman also stated that bites leave a wound that is so infected it's 100% fatal.
My question to you is, why do you go against what the creator of The Walking Dead says? Clearly the writer said it was 100% fatal, so according to your logic, which is, that if the writer states so it's true. Then this is now true and you can accept it. Lee is gone. Season 1 was his and Clementine's story, now Clementine will move on and most likely introduce another main character unless we'll be playing as her. Which wo knows, might turn out to be interesting.

Also, the breathing you could hear were his last breaths. Ever been with someone that was dying or maybe a pet that got put to sleep? After the heart stops there is one or two last breaths left.

I never said anything about the breathing...... and the creator has yet to kill the mains in the comics, the series, or even the game as of yet. Since there is nothing to confirm this, there is no proof Lee is dead as of yet.

I remember the creators/writers of Lost the TV series saying the people on the island would not be in an alternate universe based on them being dead...... then the series finally came out with that very outcome. So you see, nothing is final until it is presented as an actual outcome. Regardless of the statements taken in an interview by the writers or even the creator.

[Saracenar]

I remember the creators/writers of Lost the TV series saying the people on the island would not be in an alternate universe based on them being dead...... then the series finally came out with that very outcome. So you see, nothing is final until it is presented as an actual outcome. Regardless of the statements taken in an interview.

Oh, you didn't just bring up Lost, did you? You didn't just say they were dead the whole time, did you?

Spoilers for Lost follow.

That is not at all what happened in Lost. They didn't die when the plane crashed. They lived on and experienced all the events you see in the show. The flash-sideways stuff represented things happening in purgatory after all of the events on the Island, in the peoples' attempts to 'move on', as it what happens in the final scene.

So don't bring up Lost, unless you know what you're talking about.


I never said anything about the breathing...... and the creator has yet to kill the mains in the comics, the series, or even the game as of yet. Since there is nothing to confirm this, there is no proof Lee is dead as of yet.


What are you referring to when you say there is nothing to confirm? Nothing to confirm that it is possible to kill off the main character? Just because Rick and Carl haven't died yet, doesn't mean it won't happen.

[AsariTears]

Honestly, when Lee woke up after passing out in the street, he didn't look good. Pale and his eyes were turning a different colour. Your eyes don't turn a different colour from blood loss.

On the contrary, there is something to support your theory. After Clem shoots Lee, if you listen carefully. You here Lee exhale.....

I'm thinking Clem shot the wall next to him..

[Saracenar]

Honestly, when Lee woke up after passing out in the street, he didn't look good. Pale and his eyes were turning a different colour. Your eyes don't turn a different colour from blood loss.

On the contrary, there is something to support your theory. After Clem shoots Lee, if you listen carefully. You here Lee exhale.....

I'm thinking Clem shot the wall next to him..

This has already been addressed. Not all of your bodily functions suddenly cease to work when you die. You might have a finale breath, your fingers might uncurl (or curl), you'll void your bowels, etc.

[Tyrant]

Come on guys, he's dead. This is Walking Dead after all, we had a similar conclusion in the novels as well.

Main characters do sometimes fail in this series. It's nothing new, and Kirkman has used it to shock viewers and readers in the past as well.

[Nunyabiznes]

Oh, you didn't just bring up Lost, did you? You didn't just say they were dead the whole time, did you?

Spoilers for Lost follow.

That is not at all what happened in Lost. They didn't die when the plane crashed. They lived on and experienced all the events you see in the show. The flash-sideways stuff represented things happening in purgatory after all of the events on the Island, in the peoples' attempts to 'move on', as it what happens in the final scene.

So don't bring up Lost, unless you know what you're talking about.



What are you referring to when you say there is nothing to confirm? Nothing to confirm that it is possible to kill off the main character? Just because Rick and Carl haven't died yet, doesn't mean it won't happen.

I know lost as I watched it faithfully, they were dead from the start as the writers and the creators said wasn't true for seasons. But that was the whole point of the final episode. (in case you didnt know it... there is only one way to get to purgatory; death. And that didnt happen at some random point on the island.... it happened in the crash at the beginning... Thus the point of the finally.)

As for the the point of this thread. Show me the proof ... Where did Lee get shot? Paste your screen shot here. Otherwise NONE of the main characters have died. Not in the comics, series, or even the game now.

I said it before. I will not pour my 40 on the ground for someone not seen dead.

[Saracenar]

I know lost as I watched it faithfully, they were dead from the start as the writers and the creators said wasn't true for seasons. But that was the whole point of the final episode. (in case you didnt know it... there is only one way to get to purgatory; death.)


You obviously misunderstood what happened in Lost. Read this article.

http://screenrant.com/lost-finale-explanation-kofi-61464/

It clearly explains what happened and what you need to know. They weren't dead from the start.

They died after the events of the show, and the flash-sideways were technically flash-forwards detailing their experience in purgatory.

As for the the point of this thread. Show me the proof ... Where did Lee get shot? Paste your screen shot here. Otherwise NONE of the main characters have died. Not in the comics, series, or even the game now.


Lee got shot when Clementine put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger. Just because you didn't see Lee's brains splatter across the back of the wall, doesn't mean he is alive. They showed Clementine's face for dramatic effect.

So are you saying that unless you see something happen, it hasn't happened?

Just because the main character hasn't died in the combined Walking Dead media, doesn't mean it will never happen. That just doesn't make sense.

The main character can't die because the main character hasn't been killed because the main character can't die because the main character hasn't been killed because...is basically what you're saying. You see the cycle, right?


I said it before. I will not pout my 40 on the ground for someone not seen dead.

What does this even mean? "Pout my 40 on the ground"?

[JesseC25]

I know lost as I watched it faithfully, they were dead from the start as the writers and the creators said wasn't true for seasons. But that was the whole point of the final episode. (in case you didnt know it... there is only one way to get to purgatory; death. And that didnt happen at some random point on the island.... it happened in the crash at the beginning... Thus the point of the finally.)

As for the the point of this thread. Show me the proof ... Where did Lee get shot? Paste your screen shot here. Otherwise NONE of the main characters have died. Not in the comics, series, or even the game now.

I said it before. I will not pour my 40 on the ground for someone not seen dead.

Your hilarious, keep going, I haven't laughed this hard in a while.

Lee is DEAD, anyone who thinks he is alive is a MORON, and here is why:

If Clem missed, (which is unlikely considering she shot campman and mollys attacker across the room) lee would have turned anyways, he could BARELY move.

Not showing dead lee... So what? HE GOT SHOT. The screen went black.

And Kenny giving lee a blood transfusion. Are you on crack? IT'S THE FUCKING WALKING DEAD. ONCE YOU ARE BIT, YOU DIE.

God, just when you think people can't get any stupider, someone ALWAYS manages to prove you wrong.

I bet you think duck is alive too (considering we never see his body, lee could have missed and katjaa could have woken up and given him a blood transfusion)

[Nunyabiznes]

Lee got shot when Clementine put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger. Just because you didn't see Lee's brains splatter across the back of the wall, doesn't mean he died. They showed Clementine's face for dramatic effect.

So are you saying that unless you see something happen, it hasn't happened?

Just because the main character hasn't died in the combined Walking Dead media, doesn't mean it will never happen. That just doesn't make sense.

I'm saying exactly what I said....... show me the proof. This game isn't shielded by censors saying it's too violent. Why would they not show Lee dead? Because he's not.


The main character can't die because the main character hasn't been killed because the main character can't die because the main character hasn't been killed because...is basically what you're saying. You see the cycle, right?

Huh?




What does this even mean? "Pout my 40 on the ground"?

Obviously a mistype -- Don't worry I corrected it for the impaired.

[Saracenar]

I'm saying exactly what I said....... show me the proof. This game isn't shielded by censors saying it's too violent. Why would they not show Lee dead? Because he's not.


Because it's more dramatic this way. You don't have to have everything spelled out for you. It is so much better to have the scene end with the gunshot, and not midshot of Lee with his head blown apart (granted, I don't know how the scene ends if you tell Clementine to leave you, but I will find out on my second playthrough).

Do you think Duck is still alive, because we didn't see the bullet blow his little head into gory chunks? Is that something you want to see, just for 'proof'?


Huh?


You're saying, the reason the main character can't be killed off is because the main character hasn't been killed off. That's what you're saying, you realise? It creates a vicious cycle whereby the main character can never die if your logic is followed.


Obviously a mistype -- Don't worry I corrected it for the impaired.


I'll keep it civil and pretend you didn't call me impaired.

[Fluffyburrito]

If you refuse to believe that Lee died, from either being left chained to a radiator and not being shown with Clem at the end or that you don't see some sort of slow-mo of the bullet entering his brain, then you're being a bit too optimistic. Lee's very appearance before being shot, (His skin color is far out of whack) the fact that he can't even stand, and hearing his final breath after the gun-shot should clue you in he's got no time left.

[bazenji]

Lee and Carly are dead. Sorry.

[Saracenar]

Just leave it guys, he/she isn't going to agree.

[Makamba]

It's the walking dead. Everybody dies in the end! Kirkman said in an interview that even Rick will die in the comic.

The strenght of the TWD is that danger lurks around every corner.

[ZimoPoliZ]

Also........ It's a season finally. Not a game finally. Meaning you want people to be guessing what is next.

What better way to do that, than to make you think you (Lee) are dead?

Good thinking! I think they could think like that! They want everybody to be sad over Lee's dead and they also are excited of who the 2 persons up on the hill is! What I think is that you going to play as a sick Lee whho tries to find Clem and the two persons on the hill is Lee and someone else?! So the ending in Season 1 is like the ending of season 2 but you find out what happend kinda!

[zeke10]

Lee IS dead this ain't a soap opera

[Vainamoinen]

Hmmm but he's not shown as dead.

Basic leftover taste on Telltale's side.

So how do you know he's dead?

Basic narrative coherence.

[Crixus]

Nunyabiznes

This game isn't made for the likes of you, i suggest you try something more suited to your personality such as ......

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7EZJz-VM9Hdj6Tj6J_Ewj16lw9IGX5kihR6kbXQxeuKsrqKBV





Oh and.. https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTVnuSHBfQMV3b3cwi5EokIOAw6en9o bMipsHEaB6KS8ktW5WRhw

[Sox&Rocks22]

I dont mean to knock you opinion or discourage you but can we stop this already? Lee is dead, that was the point of such a dramatic ending. Dont you think it would take away from its effectiveness if Lee just showed up in season two saying , "Hey, guess I just needed some rest" or "thanks for not shooting me Clem"?

It'd also be impossible since you can slowly see Lee degrading throught the episode. You could argue that its from a loss of blood from getting his arm cut off (even though its pretty clear he waited too long), but if you didnt, then he'd turn no matter what. Nobody's immune.

[wezzulus]

I know lost as I watched it faithfully, they were dead from the start as the writers and the creators said wasn't true for seasons. But that was the whole point of the final episode. (in case you didnt know it... there is only one way to get to purgatory; death. And that didnt happen at some random point on the island.... it happened in the crash at the beginning... Thus the point of the finally.)

As for the the point of this thread. Show me the proof ... Where did Lee get shot? Paste your screen shot here. Otherwise NONE of the main characters have died. Not in the comics, series, or even the game now.

I said it before. I will not pour my 40 on the ground for someone not seen dead.
You watched it yet you don't understand any of it. I'm sorry but you're getting pretty ridicilous, no offense. People on the island died, so how could they die on the island? Cause they were still alive on the island. When the people died there, they waited for eachother in purgatory. The flash sideways in the last season. They even said so in the last episode. Purgatory was the alternate world where the people on the plane didn't crash, the real world was on the island. You were being spoon fed this.
That the creators said it wasn't purgatory was true, that they used it for the last season was lame though and the last season in general felt lame to me.

If you don't want to take what the creator says as true, then the problem lies with you. And I'm done discussing this. But this clearly isn't for you and neither was lost. Maybe Pokémon or something could be. Simple plot where no one can die.

[AshTheZombie]

The reasoning is sound and I wish it were true but I think you may be in denial about Lee's death, I know I was but either way if you cut his arm off or leave it on he will die from the infection or blood loss, there is also the fact that Clem is a really good shot and was peeking to make sure when she fired the gun, I know on my first playthrough I chopped my arm and got her to shoot me because by the time you end up in that place Lee looks awful his eyes are going yellow and his skin is so pale I think at that point you can give up hope for Lee and just hope Clem makes it out of Savannah.

But yeah maybe I am wrong, I'm just saying that I don't think Lee has a chance to return and that it will be a new protagonist.

[Scnew]

If Lee miraculously recovers to star in season two I don't even know if I'd buy it. That would be such a cop out.

[Hudomonkey]

Lee is dead

He is handcuffed to a radiator trying to get some bodies to gobble

Get over it

[Paigeblu12]

If he Does not cut his arm off he will be 100% dead or walker, however if the bloodless plot line is true and he survives I highly doubt season 2 will be starring a one armed hero! Also if some people chose to not chop his arm off they cant possibly pick up with Lee if a percentage of people chose to let him have two arms and therefore know he is dead?

[Diduz]

This thread is amazing.
If I were one of TWD writers I would be partying right now.
People getting so attached to a character they won't even admit his death. :o

[KingOfTheDead]

I have a feeling that the ending whoudnt of had such a big impact if Lee still lives.

He's dead.. and thats agood thing, cause it means its depressing and a good story. Otherwise if Lee is alive in season 2 then that means we'll have a protagonist who cannot die ... canonicly. And that whoudnt be fun anymore.

what about rick

[AnTea]

This thread is amazing.
If I were one of TWD writers I would be partying right now.
People getting so attached to a character they won't even admit his death. :o

Exactly! That's just amazing... That's why I think this thread is interesting, that's funny to see how people are now attached to the characters. That's about genius from TTG.

[anonymau5]

Nunyabiznes

This game isn't made for the likes of you, i suggest you try something more suited to your personality such as ......

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7EZJz-VM9Hdj6Tj6J_Ewj16lw9IGX5kihR6kbXQxeuKsrqKBV





Oh and.. https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTVnuSHBfQMV3b3cwi5EokIOAw6en9o bMipsHEaB6KS8ktW5WRhw

Hey! Kirby is awesome!

[KingOfTheDead]

I know its sad but...we need to move on from Lee. It would seem like a cheat to bring him back now. A lot of people seem to be in denial over this =c
i'll use konami code to bring lee back

[Milosuperspesh]

it's carley all over again...

seriously...

[Crixus]

Hey! Kirby is awesome!

You bet it is! :)

[Anyday]

"No one is ever truly dead in writing"
Let me first point out my disconcern one way or another. I honestly don't care that Lee might be dead, and coming off the back of a my other favorite genre, Mass Effect 3, his end was certainly well written.

While I'll say that anyone seriously hoping that Lee is alive, well - in any other context I'd say ''it's possible,'' because we didn't actually see him dead but probably not here. The Walking Dead genre for anyone who follows the comics knows that it's filled to the brim with depression. There are no "happily ever afters."

So while I'd concede that because we didn't actually see Lee's death like Carly's, he may still be alive -- I wouldn't bet on that horse in this universe.

I think that's why I like The Walking Dead, no character has the golden lifeline. We *may* even see Clementine's death soon enough.

[hawkfire20]

Did you see how sickly Lee looked towards the end of the game? It looked like his eyes were turning yellow and his skin colour looked almost dead. There's no hope for him, it'd be unrealistic to think there was. He was bitten. This is the Walking Dead, people who are bitten die.

(Sure the chopping of the arm may have bought him some time if he would have did it right away, but it wasn't done immediately).

this

[Cyreen]

Wow, where's the cake?

[AsariTears]

This has already been addressed. Not all of your bodily functions suddenly cease to work when you die. You might have a finale breath, your fingers might uncurl (or curl), you'll void your bowels, etc.

This I know. I work in medical so trust me, I know it very well. But from a gun shot wound at point blank range?
No, the body would not make any respiratory sounds. And if it did it would be a screeching noise as the air struggles to escape a larynx with no muscle tone. The breathes Lee took were sounding pretty healthy to me.

What would happen, is he would have voided his bowels, as he was in the upright position, gravity would have taken it's toll.

But this is all neither here nor there, because after the credits we see Clem walking alone through the countryside. Surely she would have known if she hit Lee or not.

[Tyrant]

I actually hope Lee lives as much as you do. But from where I'm look at it, it's highly unlikely.

[FAVREFAN]

I love Lee just as much as you guys. But he's gone. He's been redeemed, and ensured a little girls future in the apocalypse.

[Vainamoinen]

Actually, Jake has just confirmed Lee's death over in the FAQ thread (Regular TWD forum).

So we can finally put this to rest. Next up: "Was Lee human or an alien from Brunxwedel VII?". After all, no character in the game ever explicitly denies this!

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

This is a zombie game. People die. No one wants anyone to die. ya'll soft.

[JesseC25]

Here you go, OP, you can now put your moronic theories to rest.

Lee is confirmed dead. (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=736301&postcount=1147)

[Dildor]

Here's your proof for OP, as if it wasn't completely obvious in the first place.

[SPOILERS]

Okay, it's a really silly question, but can you confirm that Lee is really dead? Yes, I know it's a really silly question.





Yes, he's dead.

Now stop trolling everyone!

[mkane24]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JabbaDaHuttX7
[SPOILERS]

Okay, it's a really silly question, but can you confirm that Lee is really dead? Yes, I know it's a really silly question.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake
Yes, he's dead.

Lee is dead...get over it.

[Saracenar]

I don't know guys, it could just be the devs trying to throw us off.

;)



/sarcasm

[Negabandit]

Lee's dead. It's the work of Kirkman. There is no cure. If you goes against what he says, you go against the entire Walking Dead universe. Face it, he's gone. Nobody likes that Lee's dead and I'm quite sure everyone has a (discreet) sense of hate at Telltale choices, but let's face it. Move on.

[Saracenar]

Lee's dead. It's the work of Kirkman. There is no cure. If you goes against what he says, you go against the entire Walking Dead universe. Face it, he's gone. Nobody likes that Lee's dead and I'm quite sure everyone has a (discreet) sense of hate at Telltale choices, but let's face it. Move on.

If that's in response to me, I was being sarcastic. You see I was arguing your very point throughout the whole thread.

:)

[Demopan]

This is the best Troll I've seen in a while. Bravo, good sir, you have thoroughly bullshitted this entire forum with a mastery not seen for many years.

[Gijake1]

And I'm a unicorn.

[Muni]

I never actually played this game, but I have been watching playthroughs and have a pretty clear understanding of the story.
I signed up here just so I could share my opinion (hopefully you guys know understand this is an opinion).
I have read a lot of things with Lee surviving like, 'he only grazed his cheek' or 'there was a breath at the end!!'.
If he was to survive, my only possible thoughts on it happening would be something like
'Clem moved the gun slightly too the right and possibly shot the arm that was bitten?'
(The breath during the black screen could possibly be Lees breath of relief?, maybe the pain was gone?)
But this being said leads us to stuff like 'But what if you chose to amputate his arm?' or 'Why was Clem on her own afterwards?'

We also found a quote CONFIRMING Lee is dead but it would be VERY pointless if he turned around and said 'No, Lee is alive.' This makes us think what the point was of 'killing' him.
This game has twists and turns at almost every corner and if you ask me there will probably be another twist with a returning of Lee.

There is really no way of discussing this properly as there as SO many work arounds.

We all know there is no cure.

I really do hope Lee makes some sort of shifty return.
But if I wanted him still being alive, there would have to be a damn fine excuse.
I still want to know what the breath was about after Clem 'shot' him.
It would be pretty poor if they put that in there as a last breath because I believe once you are shot in the head. You cannot breathe rofl.

#bringbackLee2012

[ThePaSch]

Can't believe y'all epicly fed the troll for about 7 pages.

[Sabiancym]

The ending of a game should not be about setting up a sequel. It's obvious that this is what happened. Episode 5 was a massive let-down.

I have a feeling that they might have had a more elaborate and more involved ending planned, but once they learned they would be making another season they had to hurry up and try and set that story up. Which is why the last Episode is so short and has an incredibly lackluster final couple scenes.

[Muni]

I have always found it irritating in games where the protagonist ends up dieing in the end.
It makes me think like, did I just do all that to die ? ;_;
I personally think you will have control of Clementine in Season 2.
Towards the end of Ep5 you controlled Clem at some points so...?

OH LOL, I also thought about this. Another stupid suggestion but..
Do you guys think when the blue vase thingo fell on top of Lee it fucked with his brain / zombification process and he just past out afterwards?
This could even happen with his arm amputated or not.
If you chose for Clementine to shoot you, she missed :]
We are thinking boizzzzzzzzzzz

[WSOMCast]

For the love of God, Lee is dead! I am tired of seeing those posts from the crazy people with all these conspiracies about how Lee lived. He didn't! He either got shot in the head, or left to reanimate, that is that. That being said, you'd be crazy if you wanted Lee to die, so even though we know for a fact Lee is no longer with us, share with us here you're crazy theories about how Lee can still be alive here.

[Kae]

You are making the assumption that Lee always has his arm chopped off. Not everyone chose that option, yet their Lees still showed the same symptoms, which means that it wasn't blood loss we were seeing, it was the zombification process.

[dylanevans12]

Hahahahaha this thread makes me laugh, ahhh trolls, gotta love them

[QuarterPounderVlad]

I want him alive, But It's just not going to happen. Though I hope so...

[Robbingrobin]

I want him alive, But It's just not going to happen. Though I hope so...

This.

[Textbook]

The "Playing games is pointless if your character just dies at the end" argument has always struck me as dim-witted.

You do realise that you're going to die at the end of your life right? Does that make your life pointless?

[ColtPeacemaker00]

Is it possible for Michonne to be the next protagonist?

not possible but that would rock

[Ctn04132]

The "Playing games is pointless if your character just dies at the end" argument has always struck me as dim-witted.

You do realise that you're going to die at the end of your life right? Does that make your life pointless?

This is gold. Trolololololol :p

[EDG3]

The "Playing games is pointless if your character just dies at the end" argument has always struck me as dim-witted.

You do realise that you're going to die at the end of your life right? Does that make your life pointless?

Hahhah owned !

[Will85]

As much as I wish it werent so, Lee is in all likelihood dead. I just hope the next player character doesnt die at the end of season 2. My problem with that is what would be the point in trying to keep your character alive through all the episodes if they are just doomed at the end of the season? The game would certainly lose some of its enjoyment.

[Will85]

ah..didnt see my argument had already been voiced in an earlier post. And no shit of course we all die eventually, the point is, you dont WANT to die and want to live as long as possible.

[Robbingrobin]

Yes. And Lee did.

[thestalkinghead]

As much as I wish it werent so, Lee is in all likelihood dead. I just hope the next player character doesnt die at the end of season 2. My problem with that is what would be the point in trying to keep your character alive through all the episodes if they are just doomed at the end of the season? The game would certainly lose some of its enjoyment.

i think one of the good things about Lee dying is that we will never know if the next protagonist will live or die, who knows maybe the next one will die in episode 2 and we play their friend or whatever , or maybe they will survive , we wont know, and that is kinda fun

[Timhook]

I think the story about Lee is finished and the next season will begin new story about Clementine and many people will die, or the game will not be so depressing and dramatic.

[Gudmoore]

No. Lee is dead. Get over it.

[TSAAST]

Lee cant die the main objective of the game is to protect Clem and if those people on the hill are not Kristie and Ormid then Clem on her own. So lee needs to be there. I believe he's not dead and will keep believing it until season 2 proves me wrong.

[Daw97]

But, if he decided to cut his arm off, he definitly die from blood loss. So there's TINY chance, that he could survive, if someone get him some blood... This is really hard for me, to losing favorite character. But i have to get over it.

[Robbingrobin]

No, when he died of blood loss und you pump new blood in him, he's still death, because he "died from blood loss." Got it?

[Daw97]

No, when he died of blood loss und you pump new blood in him, he's still death, because he "died from blood loss." Got it?

Kind of. But he could just pass out again? Just Kidding. Got it

[MancusoE]

I think it takes a good screen writer to make a decision like that both in movies or games, to make the main character die...
I knolw it can look like a bad thing but to me it's not. Honestly I'm sick of all those TV series in which there's a good ending and you never get surprised.
It's not that because I wanna have fun I'm happy that Lee died, but I'm happy that someone wrote a screenplay warning us "Hey, next time you play a game, watch a TV series or watch a movie, do know your favorite character could die!", like some others did before.
A new series with all brand new characters is not a bad idea... In the end I like that developpers and writers read our opinions over here but I think it's not a good one that they give us exactly what we want and that's why most great TV series were cut off just based on the viewing share, but that's a different story...

[ZeroShoot]

You forgot to mention his almost yellow/green glowing eyes, and besides that he could barely move, even IF he was alive, which frankly I don't believe, it wouldn't be funny to play a guy, who is not capable of moving, not to speak of surviving a zombie apocalypse, there is not much legit about your theory, you said, that there is much chance Clem missed the shot, then I ask why does the screen turn black immediatly after the muzzle flash, and don't tell me he fell asleep that moment.
Lee is dead, or damned to sit on his ass for the next 2 days until he dies of thirst, if you don't believe him to be dead yet. I am really convinced, that, that's it for him, and that we'll play someone else. :eek: :D

[Web Head]

It has been confirmed by Jake that Lee is dead. So don't bring false hope to people :s

[Araron]

Dat fan fiction. :P

[Toitle_John]

No. No No. That would be cheap on TellTales end. I would like a new story and then in episode ten you and a friend are walking in a field and you seel a small figure in the distance. Boom!

[Mornai]

No. No No. That would be cheap on TellTales end. I would like a new story and then in episode ten you and a friend are walking in a field and you seel a small figure in the distance. Boom!

If Clem is to return she must return before the season ends, not at the ending! :(

Were that to happen i would migrate from "i must know what happened to Clem" to "I must know what the survivors and Clem did afterward". Closure, darn it!

At the very least it should go past the point where they meet, so we can see what all of our teaching decisions in season 1 have done for her. Otherwise all the things Lee has done to prepare her for survival would have been a waste, as we never see it come to fruition.

Unless they use it as a setup for season 3... i sure hope not. I can't wait that long! :(

[Nuked]

It was hard for me to accept at first too, but he is either dead or undead. He's gone. gone, gone.

[Toitle_John]

If Clem is to return she must return before the season ends, not at the ending! :(

Were that to happen i would migrate from "i must know what happened to Clem" to "I must know what the survivors and Clem did afterward". Closure, darn it!

At the very least it should go past the point where they meet, so we can see what all of our teaching decisions in season 1 have done for her. Otherwise all the things Lee has done to prepare her for survival would have been a waste, as we never see it come to fruition.

Unless they use it as a setup for season 3... i sure hope not. I can't wait that long! :(

Okay, maybe at the end of episode 6 or 7 then so you get to know this new group and your pissed that they aren't picking up with Clementine and then the end of one of the early episodes they introduce Clem

[kierano87]

#doesntexplainwhyhelostallfeelinginhisbittenarm.jp g

[Daw97]

Yeah, it would be cool watch him to survive, i don't care about the hand... He would even make it without it... Or something like. troll season 2 beginning : Lee wakes up in the house from ep 4, next to clem and realize that was dream or Waking up after Amputation

[Gratefully Dead]

^Then has sex with Carley and they have a baby that Clem helps them raise like a sister.^

OMG THIS WOULD BE SO EPIC.

smh

[LauriNicole]

If Lee is alive in season 2 I'll be majorly disappointed in this game and probably won't buy the next season. :/

[Yippieboy]

Lol she jerked the gun to the right before shooting him. Lee's still dead though.

[GREYxDUZxKRUSH]

Wouldn't mind if it was a dream. Wouldn't suprise me either. On the RV lee dreams then. I think TTG stated lee is dead. So if they brought lee back via dream, they wouldnt have lied about him dying because he did die in the dream. Just sayin.

[Mark$man]

In some people's playthroughs Lee has two arms, in some he has 1. It'd be unrealistic for Telltale to make five more episodes with Lee given the both scenarios. Plus, I don't think there's people immune to the zombie bite in the Walking Dead universe, so people who didn't chop off his arm would just have a dying Lee on their hands, and I don't think Telltale would do that either.

EDIT: Lee doesn't have any blood donors around. He's chained up weak in a room. I don't think he has much energy to call out for help either because he was so weak around Clem. I think he's a goner.

Well, I've supposed this idea months ago, and now people look into it? xD Anyway, how do you know there isn't a donor? I SERIOUSLY doubt Clem carried/dragged Lee's body into that store alone, and then closed the door that Clem AND a weak Lee couldn't even slightly open together. Someone could have been watching. Vernon is a doctor, and so could patch Lee up. Kenny could have been there. Molly even. One of Vernon's people.

People say it'd be a shame of a story for Lee to be alive after all that happened. Well, you either want a tailored game, or not. If you make all the right choices, in season 1.5 or even 2, who you play as could find various assortment of Lees:

1.)Lee, alive without a hand, uncuffed to radiator and unbitten.
2.)Lee, alive without hand, cuffed, but unbitten.
3.)Lee, alive without hand, cuffed and bitten.
4.)Lee, dead without(with) hand, cuffed(uncuffed) and bitten(not). Shot.
5.)Lee, undead with hand, cuffed(uncuffed) and bitten other times(or not).
Note: This is assuming Clementine did not miss.

And that would determine whether or not you save Lee. The decisions you make that would allow for Lee to survive. You all think him dead because of what is shown and said. Never in the credits does it say Lee died, as far as is known he simply fainted.

When he faints at the morgue, many can argue it was from the bite. But how long from the bite to the morgue was it, thirty minutes? Most bite victims don't last 24 hours, but who truly knows whether it was of a bite that he fainted or simply exhaustion/dehydration/starvation.

You cannot say Lee is dead, for there is no confirmation of his death. Not in the credits, not in results, nor in the game. You do not see him turn, nor do you see him get shot. You see Clem fire the gun, and Lee's breath can be heard after :P. Telltale can say all it wants, it does not stand for the truth. Creators of games/books/movies/shows etc. say things simply to influence the public of what they imply. They could bring him back if they wanted to, as a surprise. A rule of the Walking Dead: Noone is dead until they reanimate. Larry survived the heart attack if you tried to perform CPR fast enough, you see him breathe right before Kenny smashes his head in. Tyresse is left to the walkers, and yet comes back alive. In the show, the prisoner who is locked in surrounded by zombies with no weapons manages not only to escape, but later pose a major threat to Rick's group. Just my opinion though, but until I see him lurking around as a walker or a bullet through his forehead I say otherwise.

[SPINEBLOOD]

You play the game as lee as soon as he gets shot or turns the screen gos black so yes lee is dead .... I miss him greatly :(

[Mark$man]

You may play as Lee, but you usually don't see things from his perspective. it's not 'first-person'. At the end of every episode the screen goes black, but Lee still made it to episode 5 xD. I can't say he is alive, and I'm stubborn to believe otherwise. I'm sure he'll be seen sooner or later, cuz I never shot him. So I will know full well of his condition, and get to kill him myself. But until I see him myself, he will be alive to me :,( It's like a wound; you don't look at it and hope it gets better. You don't mess with it, and you don't panic or assume. You just wait it out, and hope it turns out alright! "He's not like the others! Jesus, all y'all are just making it worse!"-Kenny

[Mark$man]

I think it takes a good screen writer to make a decision like that both in movies or games, to make the main character die...
I knolw it can look like a bad thing but to me it's not. Honestly I'm sick of all those TV series in which there's a good ending and you never get surprised.
It's not that because I wanna have fun I'm happy that Lee died, but I'm happy that someone wrote a screenplay warning us "Hey, next time you play a game, watch a TV series or watch a movie, do know your favorite character could die!", like some others did before.
A new series with all brand new characters is not a bad idea... In the end I like that developpers and writers read our opinions over here but I think it's not a good one that they give us exactly what we want and that's why most great TV series were cut off just based on the viewing share, but that's a different story...

I agree there. I'm not saying what the writers should do, or how Telltale should proceed, but I'm just stating that The Walking Dead never puts all it's cards on the table. Always expect a surprise, a jump scare, a death, a survival, betrayal, agonizing choice, etc. I have faith that they can continue to make a great series.

[GREYxDUZxKRUSH]

I dunno if someone new can feel lees shoes. Hope it all was just a bad dream. Like on RV.

[Rambo297]

I dunno if someone new can feel lees shoes. Hope it all was just a bad dream. Like on RV.

Yup. that would be cool. Dream after amputation or just in the house before bit. Lee reaction would be really good

[Marumochi]

Lee is alive and it was all a bad dream. ;)