not lee! noooooo

[Burfrickydur]

just finished ep 5. great story, i dunno about that ending tho! lee better not be dead!

much like the tv series i feel like if certain characters die (glen and daryl mostly) i'd stop watching. ill check out season 2 to see how clem made out but if lee is dead...

for me clem and lee make the game what it is. just my opinion

[Gman5852]

Lee is dead, devs confirmed. It was a great way to actually end the game and provide closure, I personally am more worried that season 2 will ruin that closure more than anything.

[DreadMagus]

^ what he said, on all counts.

[Feja10]

So sad ending

[NickPope]

I did not like the way Lee was infected.He should of never lost the Axe.

[Master of Aeons]

Glenn dies too. You've really got the wrong franchise if you can't stand character death.

[Zargus]

just finished ep 5. great story, i dunno about that ending tho! lee better not be dead!

much like the tv series i feel like if certain characters die (glen and daryl mostly) i'd stop watching. ill check out season 2 to see how clem made out but if lee is dead...

for me clem and lee make the game what it is. just my opinion

Exactly what Master of Aeons said. If you can't deal with Character Death almost contently then TWD is the wrong franchise. But Glenn is not dead in the TV show just the comics....so far.

And Daryl will die too. Robert Kirkman said every character is going to die it is just a matter of when they will. So to stop watching or reading because your favorite character dies is a bit silly.

[robuk]

Much as i loved playing the game for me role playing and survival games are about keeping my character alive,developing him/her,building a story where i interact and begin to care about others in the game.Lee was my character and i cared about him and keeping Clem safe,now i might be in the minority here but Lee dying has just lessened my interest in the game,and if any character i play in the game is destined to die in about episode 5 of the next series then i'm not sure the game will hook me as much as walking dead series one did.

[thestalkinghead]

Much as i loved playing the game for me role playing and survival games are about keeping my character alive,developing him/her,building a story where i interact and begin to care about others in the game.Lee was my character and i cared about him and keeping Clem safe,now i might be in the minority here but Lee dying has just lessened my interest in the game,and if any character i play in the game is destined to die in about episode 5 of the next series then i'm not sure the game will hook me as much as walking dead series one did.

don't you think that by the hundredth life or death situation you would start to ignore the death possibility and just see Lee an an immortal hero destined to save the world.

that is how action heroes work, you know they wont die you just want to see how badass the way they take out the bad guys will be

[robuk]

don't you think that by the hundredth life or death situation you would start to ignore the death possibility and just see Lee an an immortal hero destined to save the world.

that is how action heroes work, you know they wont die you just want to see how badass the way they take out the bad guys will be

No i don't think i would see Lee like that as when i play the walking dead i put myself in that position of being one of the survivors who has to battle just to live another day,not some super hero with amazing powers and big guns/swords...i know its not Skyrim:)
Personally i need to feel some attachment to my character when i play games,whether sport,role playing,whatever.

[Ghositex]

Lee didn't die, Clementine shot him in the cheek!!

[Fakgov]

Lee didn't die, Clementine shot him in the cheek!!

I hope it is. It suck though after all this. Why the F did they kill main char for?. At least make it a gamepisode worth waiting for, now it ruined. Im not gonna spend anymore on this game unless it worth every penny. Gonna watch it on youtube for new season. Hope it turn out Clementine shot Lee on his cheek then she scared and run and of course Lee didnt turn.:(

[DreadMagus]

Lee didn't die, Clementine shot him in the cheek!!

LOL

I may have to make a pirate Lee avatar now....

[Zargus]

I hope it is. It suck though after all this. Why the F did they kill main char for?. At least make it a gamepisode worth waiting for, now it ruined. Im not gonna spend anymore on this game unless it worth every penny. Gonna watch it on youtube for new season. Hope it turn out Clementine shot Lee on his cheek then she scared and run and of course Lee didnt turn.:(

You know it won't be like that. You know that if Clem missed then Lee WILL turn into a Walker. So Lee died big whoop. Yes I am sad that he died and that he will not be back for season 2 but we will have a new story unfold with more characters to get to know and try to help them survive this harsh world.

And if your not going to spend anymore on this game just because Lee died then as I said to the OP The Walking is is not a good franchise for you because everyone will die it is just a matter of when.

[Ghositex]

LOL

I may have to make a pirate Lee avatar now....

http://i.imgur.com/iUGxq.png

I was bored, they're too big to be an avatar anyway ^^
Edit: Ben's eye patch also looks weird.
Edit 2: Screw ben.

Everyone will die it is just a matter of when.

People always die, it's one of the only things a ZA doesn't really change. It just.. speeds up the process.

[Zargus]

People always die, it's one of the only things a ZA doesn't really change. It just.. speeds up the process.

I know but everyone amuses that because they have a favorite character or it is a main character then that character will be untouched when it is completely wrong.

[Textbook]

Lee is definitely dead, forever and ever and ever. He will never come back.

I know how that sucks though. I had a real problem with Tyrese's death in the comics. If you read a lot of Marvel, where people hop in and out of graves with cheerful abandon, it's quite a change reading a comic where death is never ever reversed.

[Zargus]

Lee is definitely dead, forever and ever and ever. He will never come back.

I know how that sucks though. I had a real problem with Tyrese's death in the comics. If you read a lot of Marvel, where people hop in and out of graves with cheerful abandon, it's quite a change reading a comic where death is never ever reversed.

Agreed

[Textbook]

I remember reading Kirkman saying that he regretted killing Alan as early as he did and now thinks the character might have had more to contribute had he stuck around. But in the same piece he said he also new that trying some kind of miracle save on Alan would cost the book its credibility. It just can't be undone at any price. I'm sure he's applying the same rules to the game.

If Lee comes back, and he won't, I'm just saying, if Lee comes back I would head for the exits because it would be a corny sell-out thing to do and I get enough of that from other media.

[Sodawasser]

Yeah it was a sad end. I really liked it to see how the main character gets slowly killed by the "virus". It gave a very good impression how such a cruel world really works and that we all would also die in such a world, even if we are heros ;)
The only thing which would surely prevent me from buying season 2 is if Lee survives in a miracle way. Than I can also play a Barbie-game instead but Telltale won't do this big mistake which would make them unreliable.
This game is about the horror of a apocalypse (in a dramatical way) and not about love. That's why I really liked the end, was really a great dramatical end.

[Rambo297]

I really don't like that end. It made me feel kinda like Everything i did, gone to hell... Just was... useless, that no matter of what, Lee die... That would be cool with some endings and he survives in some. It was sad to watch him death after all of that...

[robuk]

At the end of the day i have to have a reason to care and make decisions in the game,if any character i have any affinity with is going to be killed off then the game won't hold my interest.
No doubt the writers have chosen their way of proceeding with the story so thats cool but i've read Max Brooks World War Z a few times and people survive from day one until the end of the zombie outbreak,they adapt and make decisions that keep them and people they care about alive...probably the sort of game format i'm more into.

[Zargus]

I really don't like that end. It made me feel kinda like Everything i did, gone to hell... Just was... useless, that no matter of what, Lee die... That would be cool with some endings and he survives in some. It was sad to watch him death after all of that...

How was it useless? You taught Clem how to survive in this world. If my actions keep even one person alive for as long as possible after I have died then all my choices would have been worth it.

At the end of the day i have to have a reason to care and make decisions in the game,if any character i have any affinity with is going to be killed off then the game won't hold my interest.
No doubt the writers have chosen their way of proceeding with the story so thats cool but i've read Max Brooks World War Z a few times and people survive from day one until the end of the zombie outbreak,they adapt and make decisions that keep them and people they care about alive...probably the sort of game format i'm more into.

Yes but World War Z HAD an ending so people could survive from day one. The Walking Dead I am 100% sure will only end when sales in the comic book fall and so far I doubt that is going to happen even after Rick's approximate 300 Issue lifespan so The Walking Dead will have no ending. The world that everyone knew in The Walking Dead is gone and this is the world that everyone lives with now and will always live in. There is no going back and there is no way to stop the outbreak because everyone is infected.

Why do you think Robert Kirkman pitched the idea of making The Walking Dead TV Show with this line...."The Zombie Movie That Never Ends."? Because it is.

[robuk]

Yes but World War Z HAD an ending so people could survive from day one. The Walking Dead I am 100% sure will only end when sales in the comic book fall and so far I doubt that is going to happen even after Rick's approximate 300 Issue lifespan so The Walking Dead will have no ending. The world that everyone knew in The Walking Dead is gone and this is the world that everyone lives with now and will always live in. There is no going back and there is no way to stop the outbreak because everyone is infected.

Why do you think Robert Kirkman pitched the idea of making The Walking Dead TV Show with this line...."The Zombie Movie That Never Ends."? Because it is.
Yes i guess you are right,i will just have to accept the Walking Dead world for what it is and that applies to the game...if i want to play it.

[dee23]

Exactly what Master of Aeons said. If you can't deal with Character Death almost contently then TWD is the wrong franchise. But Glenn is not dead in the TV show just the comics....so far.

And Daryl will die too. Robert Kirkman said every character is going to die it is just a matter of when they will. So to stop watching or reading because your favorite character dies is a bit silly.
I don't think it's silly if you loose interest in a story because the characters you found most interesting are no longer in it. I don't think I would continue to buy the comics if Rick was killed off not only because he is one of my favourite characters but because I see the walking dead as being a story shown from his perspective.

[Rambo297]

How was it useless? You taught Clem how to survive in this world. If my actions keep even one person alive for as long as possible after I have died then all my choices would have been worth it.

Yeah, but i don't think that Clementine will survive this alone after all. But i don't thought about Clementine. I thought about decisions like Cutting of hand, Leaving Lilly at the road. Be or not to be Kenny of friend Cause he always die the same way, YOU die the same way, no matter if you were helpful or asshole, if u Cut the hand or not.

[dee23]

Glenn dies too. You've really got the wrong franchise if you can't stand character death.
Key characters in the walking dead do die but they usually last more than 13 weeks. Glenn survived the apocalypse for nearly 2 years and he wasn't bitten by a zombie he was killed by a human. Key characters in the walking dead will generally be killed by other humans or when an area is over run since they have learned to take the necessary precautions. Most members of Rick's group could deal with a single walker. I say this to say that, yes, you expect people to die in the walking dead but you expect them to last longer than Lee did.

I would have understood telltale's decision to kill of Lee if episode 5 was going to be the last episode in the story since Kirkman may very well kill of Rick towards the end of the comics, but episode 5 is practically mid way in the story. When Kirkman kills of fan favourites he makes sure he leaves some left. As much as I enjoyed the game I don't think Telltale balanced the group of survivors well enough. They killed off all of the fan favourites in episode 3 leaving us with 3 replacement characters that we didn't give a shit about, then they take away the last 2 fan favourites in episode 5(Lee and Kenny) leaving us with Christa and Omid who were 2 of the 3 characters introduced in episode 3 that hardly anyone gave a shit about. I wasn't bothered when I saw Chuck's body in the sewers because I barely knew him. He had only been with group for a matter of hours since episode 4 started straight after where episode 3 ended. Had Carly of died in the sewer it would have been far more impactful.

I definitely think Teltale should have had at least 1 character from the original group at the end of the game besides Clementine as opposed to 2 newcomers, assuming that the 2 people in the distance were Omid and Christa. We know very little about Omid and Christa, even now. Though it makes them mysterious and may cause intrigue at the prospect of seeing them in season 2, I personally don't have any feelings for them as characters. I didn't like them more than Chuck and I didn't like Chuck more than them. Omid and Christa came in the game at the end of episode 3, around 3 or 5pm, a few hours after the loss of Kat and duck. They arrived with Lee at Savannah hours later in episode 4. By night fall they were at Crawford. The following day they search for Clementine in episode 5. That is how long these characters were part of Lee's group as opposed to Kat,Carly/Doug,Duck,Kenny,Larry who had lived with Lee for 3 months. Yes these characters, or rather some of them should of died but their deaths should have been more spread out instead of Telltale killing a group member per episode. If character deaths aren't felt by the audience they might as well be "red shirts", that is how I saw Chuck. I think Larry could have been around longer because he had a lot of character. He was a character that you loved to hate and I definitely think Carly's death could have been sad if she died later in the game. Most people felt anger when she died, not sadness.

[dee23]

Much as i loved playing the game for me role playing and survival games are about keeping my character alive,developing him/her,building a story where i interact and begin to care about others in the game.Lee was my character and i cared about him and keeping Clem safe,now i might be in the minority here but Lee dying has just lessened my interest in the game,and if any character i play in the game is destined to die in about episode 5 of the next series then i'm not sure the game will hook me as much as walking dead series one did.
I feel the exact same way. I will play season 2 to find out the fate of Clementine but I will be just going through the motions. Removing Lee from the duo that was Clem and Lee changes the dynamics in a way that will either work or fail. It's a risk from Telltale. It will be hard for them to bring in a character that we will care about as much as we did Lee because we won't wan't to get too attached to the next protagonist through fear of seeing them killed off again. Season 1 will be hard for telltale to top and will be even harder without Lee who was one of the best game protagonists we have seen in a while.

[Sodawasser]

It isn't the whole episode 1 group dead besides Clem. After the Lilly of the game isn't the same Lilly of the comics (like I heard) it is possible to see her again. I also wouldn't bet my money on it but it isn't impossible that they bring back Kenny too. "Only" Carley, Doug, Duck, Katjaa, Larry, Ben, Mark are surely dead (if you only count those which have been in the group for a longer time)
Maybe TellTale even troll our expections and let Omid/Christa die and Kenny survive^^

I don't think that they let them all die too early in the storyline. The death of Katjaa/Duck was dramatically and good. I really liked it to see how it changed Kenny, it was a good story.
Larrys death was also okay, without that death there would have been much less rivality in the group -> less drama -> worse story. Also the Lee death was good story telling in my opinion. I only agree about Carley/Doug. I didn't like their death because of nothing. I even think that this scene was the only one which could have been done better (I only speak about the story)

[dee23]

don't you think that by the hundredth life or death situation you would start to ignore the death possibility and just see Lee an an immortal hero destined to save the world.

that is how action heroes work, you know they wont die you just want to see how badass the way they take out the bad guys will be
Dude! not after 5 episodes. Are you aware of how long Rick Grimes and his 9 year old son Carl have been surviving this apocalypse? They have been through far more than Lee could have even imagined. Even Carl has been shot on 2 different occasions and no one see's them as invincible. The walking dead comics have some of the most realistic writing you will will ever read, pacing is the key to the comic's success. Characters don't die in every episode and key characters don't die in every story arc. Lee's 5 episodes equate to only 13 weeks of survival in the zombie apocalypse. Telltale were too trigger happy with regards to killing of their characters. When you compare the game characters lives to those in the comics they had it pretty easy. The were stationed in the motor inn for 3 months and died between 1 and 2 days after leaving it. Rick's group have spent most of the apocalypse on the road, moving from place to place. So I personally would not have seen Lee as an invincible character if he survived the 5 episodes considering that would only have been 13 weeks of survival, even Maggie has survived far longer and she tried to hang her self.

[dee23]

I know but everyone amuses that because they have a favorite character or it is a main character then that character will be untouched when it is completely wrong.
I can't think of a protagonist that has been through more than Rick Grimes and he is still alive after more than a year. Taking that into account It would not have been outlandish to believe or expect Lee, the game's protagonist to survive more than 13 weeks, considering he had been protected by the motor inn for most of the 13 weeks. I loved Lee as a game character but by walking dead survival standards Telltale have portrayed Lee as being either extremely unlucky or as being a bit of a pussy. 13 weeks isn't shit. Supporting characters in the walking dead last longer. It would have been fine if episode 5 was the last in the story but now we know there will be at least 1 more season. If Clementine is in season 2 which I expect she will be it is still the same story. Killing of the protagonist mid way in a story is unwise. Telltale, now have the pressure of bringing in a new protagonist to live up to the high standard set by Lee. I'm intrigued by the idea of a second season but i'm not as excited about the idea of continuing the story with another protagonist if that is the direction Telltale are going in.

[thestalkinghead]

Dude! not after 5 episodes. Are you aware of how long Rick Grimes and his 9 year old son Carl have been surviving this apocalypse? They have been through far more than Lee could have even imagined. Even Carl has been shot on 2 different occasions and no one see's them as invincible. The walking dead comics have some of the most realistic writing you will will ever read, pacing is the key to the comic's success. Characters don't die in every episode and key characters don't die in every story arc. Lee's 5 episodes equate to only 13 weeks of survival in the zombie apocalypse. Telltale were too trigger happy with regards to killing of their characters. When you compare the game characters lives to those in the comics they had it pretty easy. The were stationed in the motor inn for 3 months and died between 1 and 2 days after leaving it. Rick's group have spent most of the apocalypse on the road, moving from place to place. So I personally would not have seen Lee as an invincible character if he survived the 5 episodes considering that would only have been 13 weeks of survival, even Maggie has survived far longer and she tried to hang her self.

i think some people do think of them as invincible, some people don't even like them and i would bet plot armour has something to do with that, I'm just glad we got a real ending to the season not just an end to an episode that leads onto the next, also you saw what got Lee, that could happen to anyone it's not because he sucks at surviving he just got caught and bitten

[dee23]

How was it useless? You taught Clem how to survive in this world. If my actions keep even one person alive for as long as possible after I have died then all my choices would have been worth it.



Yes but World War Z HAD an ending so people could survive from day one. The Walking Dead I am 100% sure will only end when sales in the comic book fall and so far I doubt that is going to happen even after Rick's approximate 300 Issue lifespan so The Walking Dead will have no ending. The world that everyone knew in The Walking Dead is gone and this is the world that everyone lives with now and will always live in. There is no going back and there is no way to stop the outbreak because everyone is infected.

Why do you think Robert Kirkman pitched the idea of making The Walking Dead TV Show with this line...."The Zombie Movie That Never Ends."? Because it is.
Well the walking dead is planned to have 300 issues, so Kirkman does plan to finish the story.

[dee23]

How was it useless? You taught Clem how to survive in this world. If my actions keep even one person alive for as long as possible after I have died then all my choices would have been worth it.



Yes but World War Z HAD an ending so people could survive from day one. The Walking Dead I am 100% sure will only end when sales in the comic book fall and so far I doubt that is going to happen even after Rick's approximate 300 Issue lifespan so The Walking Dead will have no ending. The world that everyone knew in The Walking Dead is gone and this is the world that everyone lives with now and will always live in. There is no going back and there is no way to stop the outbreak because everyone is infected.

Why do you think Robert Kirkman pitched the idea of making The Walking Dead TV Show with this line...."The Zombie Movie That Never Ends."? Because it is.
Well the walking dead is planned to have 300 issues, so Kirkman does plan to finish the story. In interviews he has talked about being in 2 minds about killing of Rick but says if he does he would do it towards then end i.e towards the 300th episode.

Different people are going to see the ending differently. It's about outlook I suppose. Are you a cup half full or a half empty kind a guy. It's good that you can see something positive in the ending with the idea of your choices enabling Clementine's survival. Personally, I don't see the ending that way. There wasn't anything that you could have said in the game that would change the outcome. Clementine was predestined to survive episode 5 no matter what and Lee was predestined to die which is why the game does not continue if she is killed in the jewellery store. The game made you/us feel like you were contributing to her education but how many times in the series did Lee sit down and teach her about survival and how many of those moments were optional? As I remember in the game Lee didn't begin to prepare Clementine for life without him until the end of episode 3 when he taught her to shoot and advised her to keep her hair short. Lee engaged little with her in episode 4 since he kept getting split up, either deliberately when going off with Kenny to find a boat or when separated in the sewers and she was absent for most of episode 5. If you tell Clementine to avoid strangers or go to the country at the end It won't make a difference to her survival in season 2 because she will be written to survive one way or another if she is in season 2. It's an illusion that her survival is based on your choices as Lee in season 1. That is illusion but what was real was Lee's vision, his dream and goal after being bitten. The only thing he cared about was knowing that Clementine would be safe after he died and that she would be raised by Omid and Christa. Sadly Lee died not knowing if she would be safe and died before he could reunite her with Omid and Christa. He died during his mission. He died with out completing his mission. He couldn't continue to keep Clementine safe and reunite her with her new carers. In the end she had to keep her self safe by running and avoiding the walkers which is something she was doing since before Lee and her met.(Remember the forest at the beginning of episode 1)

The fact is, no matter how you look at it Lee got screwed over by Telltale for the purpose of shock value and to force an emotional impact. That is what Telltale were going for all along. They wanted people to be sad, cry and remember the experience. The ending was so sad many are trying to put a positive spin on it to make themselves feel better. Lee knew he had failed the moment he was bitten, hence his response. His motivation for survival has always been about keeping Clementine safe. Ep 5 he accepted he could not do this so the next best thing was for Omid and Christa to take on the torch of responsibility. He knew and felt that his death would only be worth while if he could get Clementine back from the stranger and hand her over to Omid and Christa who he could trust to take as good care for her as he would but his time ran out before he could do this. Even if Clementine did some how manage to find Omid and Christa which would have been Lee's dying wish, Lee would not have known she found them before he died. That is what is so tragic about the ending.

[Textbook]

I've seen Kirkman say that Rick will die eventually and that the series would continue on without him. I've also seen him say that he may end TWD around the 300th issue and I've also seen him say that he may just continue it until he's stopped.

Back on topic, TWD works as an emotional experience but fails as a game.

To feel some sense of achievement that I had properly prepared Clementine for survival, it would have to be possible for me not to achieve this. It isn't. She lives no matter what, meaning there's no achievement.

It would have been neat, after Lee's death, to have a sequence where we watch Clementine escape Savannah on her own, with all her decisions dependent on how Lee influenced her, with failure/death a possibiility if you prepared her inadequately.

[thestalkinghead]

yep the ending is tragic, it's why it was sad, if lee had died with Clementine, Omid and Christa it wouldn't really have the impact it had

[dee23]

It isn't the whole episode 1 group dead besides Clem. After the Lilly of the game isn't the same Lilly of the comics (like I heard) it is possible to see her again. I also wouldn't bet my money on it but it isn't impossible that they bring back Kenny too. "Only" Carley, Doug, Duck, Katjaa, Larry, Ben, Mark are surely dead (if you only count those which have been in the group for a longer time)
Maybe TellTale even troll our expections and let Omid/Christa die and Kenny survive^^

I don't think that they let them all die too early in the storyline. The death of Katjaa/Duck was dramatically and good. I really liked it to see how it changed Kenny, it was a good story.
Larrys death was also okay, without that death there would have been much less rivality in the group -> less drama -> worse story. Also the Lee death was good story telling in my opinion. I only agree about Carley/Doug. I didn't like their death because of nothing. I even think that this scene was the only one which could have been done better (I only speak about the story)
Why would you think that the Lilly in the game is a different Lilly from the comics? Telltale confirmed from day one that the game had cameo appearances; Glenn, Hershel and Lilly. That was their way of making the game authentic. Telltale said they thought it would be cool to show what shaped Lilly into becoming the character from Woodbury we see in the comics. The game is canon to the original comic's story and of the same branch from walking dead universe unlike the TV show. So by now Glenn from the game is with Rick, Hershel's barn holds walkers and Lilly is on the road to Woodbury or there already.

Regarding the point I made about the deaths in the story, I suppose that is down to opinion, but for me I didn't feel anything when, Chuck died,when Ben died, when Lee buried the boy in the attic and I wouldn't have been moved by Omnid or Christa's deaths because I barely knew these characters. My point was that all of the characters that I personally cared about were killed of by episode 3 accept Lee and Clementine. Although this is all only an opinion, I don't think anyone can deny that Cary dying in the sewer scene would have been more emotional than when Chuck died there.

[dee23]

i think some people do think of them as invincible, some people don't even like them and i would bet plot armour has something to do with that, I'm just glad we got a real ending to the season not just an end to an episode that leads onto the next, also you saw what got Lee, that could happen to anyone it's not because he sucks at surviving he just got caught and bitten
No it doesn't. At no time has Carl worn body armor. When Rick was shot and put in a comma before the apocalypse he wasn't wearing body armor, When Carl was shot near Hershel's farm he wasn't wearing body armor, When Rick was shot in his stomach at the prison he wasn't wearing body armor and when Carl was shot in his face he wasn't wearing a bullet proof helmet. they had surgery and spent months in recovery. It was touch and go. Kirkman's way of showing us no one is safe in this world.

With regards to Lee getting bitten, of cause that could happen to anyone but it was a cheap death for a protagonist and a death more fitting for a "red shirt" or a supporting character. That is how Amy was bitten. I would bet anything and everything that her sister Andrea will be given a better death because of her alertness and ability to survive. Someone like Abraham would have been killed in a way that couldn't be prevented(an arrow to the back of the head). I couldn't imagine a character like him being surprised by a single walker, Kirkman would give them a better death, making them harder to kill.

[thestalkinghead]

No it doesn't. At no time has Carl worn body armor. When Rick was shot and put in a comma before the apocalypse he wasn't wearing body armor, When Carl was shot near Hershel's farm he wasn't wearing body armor, When Rick was shot in his stomach at the prison he wasn't wearing body armor and when Carl was shot in his face he wasn't wearing a bullet proof helmet. they had surgery and spent months in recovery. It was touch and go. Kirkman's way of showing us no one is safe in this world.

With regards to Lee getting bitten, of cause that could happen to anyone but it was a cheap death for a protagonist and a death more fitting for a "red shirt" or a supporting character. That is how Amy was bitten. I would bet anything and everything that her sister Andrea will be given a better death because of her alertness and ability to survive. Someone like Abraham would have been killed in a way that couldn't be prevented(an arrow to the back of the head). I couldn't imagine a character like him being surprised by a single walker, Kirkman would give them a better death, making them harder to kill.

plot armour http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotArmor

and i didn't think it was cheap, but that's my opinion

[Master of Aeons]

I understand your argument that Lee dying at the end of 5 episodes being different compared to the hundreds of planned issues revolving around Rick. Telltale doesn't have as big of a story planned out as that though. There may be two seasons. Both of them will focus on Clem, but one is told through Lee's eyes. Killing off Lee midway through that arc isn't as bad when you look at the difference in scale. Rick's survived what I consider five major arcs (but Carl is the character I care more about). Clem will survive at least two. I don't think - in light of Clem's significance - that Lee deserves plot armor.

[Burfrickydur]

thanks for all your honest replies. its just how i feel keep in mind people play games for different reasons. i know the walking dead is all about everyone dieing and suffering i mean yea everyone eventually dies. being it getting zombiefied or just dieing because of natural events.

my issue is killing off lee in my eyes is kind of a bad idea even though its staying true to the comic books (never read them not interested tbh). for me telltale's game was all about the chemistry between lee and clem. I.E when the bandits attacked their hotel and lee shot a couple dudes and clem ran to lee and they hugged before she ran into the RV then duck and his mother got tackled by a zombie. that may not have happened if and clem and lee weren't so close. i saw things like that and telltale loaded the game with stuff like that involving them. without lee there its not the the same game nor story.

i'm not a happy ending disney movie style kind of person. to put some contrast out there... in dragon age i sacrificed my main character at the end and considered that a really good ending.

every time someone ended up offering to take clem from you for her good they ended up being a whack job. lee is/was the only one capable of taking care of clem imo. lets be honest here... clem randomly running into another good person that will take care of her just by chance is more outlandish then lee surviving a zombie bite and being shot in the head.

i hope i covered everyone's responses while avoiding a wall of text

[Zargus]

Well the walking dead is planned to have 300 issues, so Kirkman does plan to finish the story. In interviews he has talked about being in 2 minds about killing of Rick but says if he does he would do it towards then end i.e towards the 300th episode.

Different people are going to see the ending differently. It's about outlook I suppose. Are you a cup half full or a half empty kind a guy. It's good that you can see something positive in the ending with the idea of your choices enabling Clementine's survival. Personally, I don't see the ending that way. There wasn't anything that you could have said in the game that would change the outcome. Clementine was predestined to survive episode 5 no matter what and Lee was predestined to die which is why the game does not continue if she is killed in the jewellery store. The game made you/us feel like you were contributing to her education but how many times in the series did Lee sit down and teach her about survival and how many of those moments were optional? As I remember in the game Lee didn't begin to prepare Clementine for life without him until the end of episode 3 when he taught her to shoot and advised her to keep her hair short. Lee engaged little with her in episode 4 since he kept getting split up, either deliberately when going off with Kenny to find a boat or when separated in the sewers and she was absent for most of episode 5. If you tell Clementine to avoid strangers or go to the country at the end It won't make a difference to her survival in season 2 because she will be written to survive one way or another if she is in season 2. It's an illusion that her survival is based on your choices as Lee in season 1. That is illusion but what was real was Lee's vision, his dream and goal after being bitten. The only thing he cared about was knowing that Clementine would be safe after he died and that she would be raised by Omid and Christa. Sadly Lee died not knowing if she would be safe and died before he could reunite her with Omid and Christa. He died during his mission. He died with out completing his mission. He couldn't continue to keep Clementine safe and reunite her with her new carers. In the end she had to keep her self safe by running and avoiding the walkers which is something she was doing since before Lee and her met.(Remember the forest at the beginning of episode 1)

The fact is, no matter how you look at it Lee got screwed over by Telltale for the purpose of shock value and to force an emotional impact. That is what Telltale were going for all along. They wanted people to be sad, cry and remember the experience. The ending was so sad many are trying to put a positive spin on it to make themselves feel better. Lee knew he had failed the moment he was bitten, hence his response. His motivation for survival has always been about keeping Clementine safe. Ep 5 he accepted he could not do this so the next best thing was for Omid and Christa to take on the torch of responsibility. He knew and felt that his death would only be worth while if he could get Clementine back from the stranger and hand her over to Omid and Christa who he could trust to take as good care for her as he would but his time ran out before he could do this. Even if Clementine did some how manage to find Omid and Christa which would have been Lee's dying wish, Lee would not have known she found them before he died. That is what is so tragic about the ending.

Kirkman has said after Rick dies someone else can take over. That means it can go past Rick dying because the first 300 issues are about his life. When Rick dies that is his life over with and it will carry on with someone else.

About the running away from Walkers I doubt she did that. Remember you found her in the Tree House? I doubt she would have gone into the forest unless it was really important. And Lee's mission was complete he protected Clem to the best of his ability. To say that "He failed" is like saying "Oh Lee died. Looks like Clem will now die because without Lee she is not safe."

You honestly think Lee got screwed by TTG? He did not. He got unlucky which could happen to anyone. He was not thinking and he got bit. And the bit about that arm? None of them knew if that would work which is unfortunate because they must have left it just that bit too long. And Lee knew that Clem would find somewhere safe (It is not just to find Omid and Christa because you can tell her to find a group as well or I think to stay on her own) because he knew that Clem would now be able to take care of herself.

People who say "Choice is an illusion" it is not. If the choice is there for you to cut your arm off to try and stop yourself from dying from the infection the Zombie bite gives you or leave the affected limb on and risk it then it is still your choice. It just means that you ether fight with everything you can to keep yourself alive at the cost of a limb and at least give yourself a chance or just leave it and "hope for the best" even though you know you will die from the bite.

thanks for all your honest replies. its just how i feel keep in mind people play games for different reasons. i know the walking dead is all about everyone dieing and suffering i mean yea everyone eventually dies. being it getting zombiefied or just dieing because of natural events.

my issue is killing off lee in my eyes is kind of a bad idea even though its staying true to the comic books (never read them not interested tbh). for me telltale's game was all about the chemistry between lee and clem. I.E when the bandits attacked their hotel and lee shot a couple dudes and clem ran to lee and they hugged before she ran into the RV then duck and his mother got tackled by a zombie. that may not have happened if and clem and lee weren't so close. i saw things like that and telltale loaded the game with stuff like that involving them. without lee there its not the the same game nor story.

i'm not a happy ending disney movie style kind of person. to put some contrast out there... in dragon age i sacrificed my main character at the end and considered that a really good ending.

every time someone ended up offering to take clem from you for her good they ended up being a whack job. lee is/was the only one capable of taking care of clem imo. lets be honest here... clem randomly running into another good person that will take care of her just by chance is more outlandish then lee surviving a zombie bite and being shot in the head.

i hope i covered everyone's responses while avoiding a wall of text

See I never told her to find a group. I told Omid and Christa to wait at the train and Clem to meet them there because next to Lee they would be the only ones I would have trusted to look after her along with Omid and Christa's future baby.

[Will85]

I have to agree with the original poster for this thread; I was very disappointed with Lee's death. You become emotionally invested with the characters in these types of decision making games where it is more about character interaction than pure shooting and action. I was HOOKED on TWD when I started back in October and couldnt wait for dec 4th to play the season finale. I was hoping Lee and Clem would have a happy ending at least. Idk I liked all the other episodes but wasnt happy about episode 5, specifically the finale with Lee's death and the uncertainty with what would become of Clementine. If had survived and it was him and Clem resting in that field at the very end it would have been a much better ending.

[Textbook]

The whole point of TWD is that it doesn't do happy endings. If it did it would be like any other property. People who want happy endings need to read the Made To Suffer arc of the comic and realise this franchise is not for them.

[Will85]

Well all im saying is...if the player character dies at the end of season two im gonna be pissed. Honestly what is the point of trying to keep your character alive through all the episodes if he is just going to die at the end. ITS POINTLESS, regardless if death is what the waling dead is all about or not.

[Robbingrobin]

Thats life. No matter how hard you try to get out of it surviving, that just will not happen.

[Master of Aeons]

Well all im saying is...if the player character dies at the end of season two im gonna be pissed. Honestly what is the point of trying to keep your character alive through all the episodes if he is just going to die at the end. ITS POINTLESS, regardless if death is what the waling dead is all about or not.

I'm pretty sure they know not to hit the same button twice.

[Ghositex]

Thats life. No matter how hard you try to get out of it surviving, that just will not happen.

We get that people die, but the main characted dying (again) in season two would be just like making S2 Ep.2 take place at a ranch where two cannibal sisters and their grandfather live. It would get boring if that happened again with some minor changes. It's not about making everyone immortal, but keeping somebody alive would be nice, for a change. Christa and Omid might have survived, but we don't even know if they did.

[Robbingrobin]

I am surrounded by Idiots...

I think I should use this as a signature.

Please, grow up. The more I read your crying about the death of characters, the more I hope telltale finishes off the maincharacter of S2.

[Ghositex]

Let me do a TL;DR for you. We're not whining about characters dying. We're talking about episode two ending just like episode one.

[montesinos7]

Lee should have lived--- I know bla bla they had to do it to keep the game compelling but not really. Look at for example the Star Wars movies--- Luke survives and the story is still compelling!

[thestalkinghead]

Lee should have lived--- I know bla bla they had to do it to keep the game compelling but not really. Look at for example the Star Wars movies--- Luke survives and the story is still compelling!

but Darth Vader dies, and i didn't want that to happen when i first watched it, so Lee was like Darth Vader

[Robbingrobin]

And Luke dies later, too.

[Doctanian]

I am surrounded by Idiots...

I think I should use this as a signature.

Please, grow up. The more I read your crying about the death of characters, the more I hope telltale finishes off the maincharacter of S2.

It's fiction. Get a grip. You're arguably as worse as the people you're complaining about. People are just upset their favorite characters died. Nothing wrong with that. The deaths in the series are designed to stir two main emotions: sadness or anger.

Prime example: Kenny being pissed (angry) at Katjaa for committing suicide.
Another example: Clementine being sad about Lee's demise.

If you feel indifferent about the death of characters, you're probably just as cold and inhuman as some characters become in the series... and that's not a good thing.

[Will85]

Most people dont want their player character to die at the end of a game..your probably the minority if you arent bothered by it. And we arent crying about it, its a discussion about an aspect of the game that we disliked.

[Robbingrobin]

It's fiction. Get a grip. You're arguably as worse as the people you're complaining about. People are just upset their favorite characters died. Nothing wrong with that. The deaths in the series are designed to stir two main emotions: sadness or anger.

Prime example: Kenny being pissed (angry) at Katjaa for committing suicide.
Another example: Clementine being sad about Lee's demise.

If you feel indifferent about the death of characters, you're probably just as cold and inhuman as some characters become in the series... and that's not a good thing.

I never said the deaths made me not unhappy! But its the walking Dead. I know with what I deal it here, and I know that bitching won't help. Yes, maybe thats cold and inhuman, but I am at least on the living side. Lee is dead. Nobody else wanted him not dead more than me (okay, maybe not).

I could not bear the thought that Lee lies death next to a radiator and a dead cop with a chopped of arm in some store in Savannah. I let him die to what he always fought. In Episode 3 I thought I could let him go, if something bad happens to Clementine, but I just could not. What if he gets okay? But the dev. said he is dead and I just try to deal with it.

Crying about the death is foolish. I do not want to be foolish.

[MALAK1E]

Its the point of the company makes you think your choices efect the game but they dont people die no matter what you do.Also lee dies no matter if you take the food from the car or choose to leave it for the other survivers who are clearly still around due to a fresh car battery making the lights and door buzzer work its a clear case of false advertising if no matter what you do the story plays out the same you have no choice.Yes it sucks that Lee dies and of course anyone can die but its all on choice its not set in stone and truthfully i wouldnt have spent any money on it if i knew it was set NOT BY CHOICE

[robuk]

I am surrounded by Idiots...

I think I should use this as a signature.

Please, grow up. The more I read your crying about the death of characters, the more I hope telltale finishes off the maincharacter of S2.

Got nothing to do with growing up,we all are playing the same game but some people like to play it in a different way than others,if you are happy for all the characters to be killed off then cool for you but that doesn't have to be the case for everyone on here.
Now i've played one series of the game i know what to expect and i will care less about the choices i make because i know the charaters are going to die anyway,no point nurturing a character i might aswell go hell for leather it makes no difference...they are snuffed out at the end anyway:p

[Robbingrobin]

Got nothing to do with growing up,we all are playing the same game but some people like to play it in a different way than others,if you are happy for all the characters to be killed off then cool for you but that doesn't have to be the case for everyone on here.
Now i've played one series of the game i know what to expect and i will care less about the choices i make because i know the charaters are going to die anyway,no point nurturing a character i might aswell go hell for leather it makes no difference...they are snuffed out at the end anyway:p

Yeah, then do it. I will not care less for those characters. I liked Lee, Carley, Doug, Ben, Kenny and Lilly too and I wished more than once the makers had them let go other ways. But they did not, and I know what I play, and that people die in this universe.

[cormoran]

To sum this thread up:

Some people won't want to play season 2 if Lee is dead.
Some people won't want to play season 2 if Lee is alive.

Telltale are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

As for me, I hope Telltale sticks to it's guns and make sure that Lee stays dead. Having him Jesus his way into season 2 would ruin episode 5 for me. I think many of us are spoiled by Hollywoods preoccupation with happy endings. Not everything has to end in "happily ever after", sometimes it's good to give the person experiencing the story a different emotion to finish on.

[marcu5]

i agree with dee23, TTG screwed Lee over

[Will85]

idk, that'd be pretty cool if Lee somehow didnt die and makes it into season 2. I mean come on, in this game zombies have taken over the earth, why cant a man miraculously survive some horrible wounds?

[Rambo297]

idk, that'd be pretty cool if Lee somehow didnt die and makes it into season 2. I mean come on, in this game zombies have taken over the earth, why cant a man miraculously survive some horrible wounds?

Exactly. I think many of people want lee back in season 2. And this shouldn't be impossible. Look, after he amputate his arm, he died probably from blood loss. So, it's possible to save him (idk molly, Vernon somehow got into that room and help lee for exchange for boat.) Just... He is the best game main protagonist ever, and i don't want him die...

[zeke10]

Lee is dead. Gone. In a better place. He IS dead

[Daw97]

In my opinion telltale screwed up with the ending... There could be many stories for season 2 if he would survive... Just killed our best character... Amputation could be option that he survive... And you just killed him like anything never happened. Season 2 Won't be the same without Lee, he had Warm Voice, was good looking and had good story... What could be better? I don't think i will buy season 2 without him...

[Will85]

It sucks but in all likelihood he did die.. the game was ambiguous about the cause of death though. He may have succumbed from the viral or bacterial agent that causes the turn into a zombie. The amputation may have worked and he instead died from blood loss or a systemic infection from the less than sanitary conditions when he cut off his arm.

I think the main reason a lot of us are hoping he didnt die is that we never get to see the final blow that kills Lee. We see him very sick and on the verge of death at the end of the game but never actually see him dead.

[Will85]

In my opinion telltale screwed up with the ending... There could be many stories for season 2 if he would survive... Just killed our best character... Amputation could be option that he survive... And you just killed him like anything never happened. Season 2 Won't be the same without Lee, he had Warm Voice, was good looking and had good story... What could be better? I don't think i will buy season 2 without him...

And yes there could be some great story arcs for season 2 if he did somehow survive. I think TTG would be throwing us a great curveball if he ends up being alive in season 2 when we all thought he was dead.

[Textbook]

It's never ever going to happen guys. Ever. Uncle Ben is coming back before Lee. (Lil' Spider-Man in-joke there for ya.)

[montesinos7]

but Darth Vader dies, and i didn't want that to happen when i first watched it, so Lee was like Darth Vader

lol Darth Vader was the villain--- and you never really cared for him like Luke..

[Rambo297]

And yes there could be some great story arcs for season 2 if he did somehow survive. I think TTG would be throwing us a great curveball if he ends up being alive in season 2 when we all thought he was dead.

Yeah, he was Perfect character... i want to see him again in season 2... That won't be the same without him...
There could be a lot of plots in season 2 about that... so i think they screwed up with that...

[Dildor]

A part of me died with Lee at the end of episode 5. Saddest moment in any game I've played in a long time. If he came back it would ruin all that emotion.

I'm 100% positive TTG will come up with even better characters for season 2, maybe bring a few old ones back. Not from the dead mind you. ;)

[Daw97]

A part of me died with Lee at the end of episode 5. Saddest moment in any game I've played in a long time. If he came back it would ruin all that emotion.

I'm 100% positive TTG will come up with even better characters for season 2, maybe bring a few old ones back. Not from the dead mind you. ;)

Yeah maybe, but i prefer that ruined emotion, than his death, really i would like to see him as protagonist in season 2 too... Perfect Character with good story, and Clem to looking after.

[Mornai]

Yeah maybe, but i prefer that ruined emotion, than his death, really i would like to see him as protagonist in season 2 too... Perfect Character with good story, and Clem to looking after.

Well, Telltale spoke the very words that confirm Lee is dead, so it seems very unlikely that we will be seeing him. They've also said they plan to go places/do things they haven't done before with season 2; i think they've wrapped up Lee's story and are moving on.

[Rambo297]

Well, Telltale spoke the very words that confirm Lee is dead, so it seems very unlikely that we will be seeing him. They've also said they plan to go places/do things they haven't done before with season 2; i think they've wrapped up Lee's story and are moving on.

Even if they want to bring Lee back (just speculation), they won't say he is alive, because it would spoil Season 2.

[Scaeva]

He's dead Jim.

There was no other way to end the game. Lee walking off into the sunset with Clem would have taken much of the emotional impact the story has, and tossed it into a rubbish bin. The writers got it right.

[Will85]

He's dead Jim.

There was no other way to end the game. Lee walking off into the sunset with Clem would have taken much of the emotional impact the story has, and tossed it into a rubbish bin. The writers got it right.

Dude, there is no way that Lee not dying would have in any way, shape or form detracted from the emotion of the story. For example (if you havent watched the dark knight rises, dont read this) bruce wayne being alive at the end of the movie made the movie that much better than if he had died. Or Halo, arguably one of the greatest video game franchises ever and how many games later and the Master Chief still hasnt died and the series is as strong as ever.

Im sure I could find more examples that the game would not have been lessened in any way if Lee had survived.

[Will85]

They could have done what Dragon Age did and have a new player character for each new game, and simply tie the old characters story off. The player characters still lived but their story was finished. No reason they couldnt do that with Lee.

[Cyreen]

Clementine was the entire motivation of the story as Lee's redemption. I think the story should continue with her.

[G.Ross]

http://i.imgur.com/iUGxq.png

I was bored, they're too big to be an avatar anyway ^^
Edit: Ben's eye patch also looks weird.
Edit 2: Screw ben.



People always die, it's one of the only things a ZA doesn't really change. It just.. speeds up the process.


arrrrrrr

[DrDeepthroat]

It was a bit of an obvious and expected conclusion, so for me t'was no surprise. Very emotional though; they did a fantastic job with these characters.

I suppose it would've been nice to have the option to save Lee based on your in-game choices. It was a predictable end but eh, I wasn't too bothered by it (the fact that you can't change it, I mean). I was rather hoping the lives of the other characters would rest on your decisions and was more disappointed to find that was not the case than with Lee's death.

[Rambo297]

Anyway, i think there should be possibility to save lee. Because i really want to see him in Season 2. Also i think i'm not alone who think that way. That could be great story (if he survive somehow). Lee searching for group, after Clem left him.