Lee Was NOT Unconscious For Days

[AwkwardlyNERD]

Everyone is saying that it's ridiculous because Lee was out in the car for days.

But actually, he wasn't.

Lee's eyes flicker open twice. The first time they open, you can hear the cop screaming and zombies feeding. The second time they open, which everyone is saying is hours later, you can actually still hear the cop yelling for help and flesh tearing. I don't think it takes days for a guy to die when being devoured by walkers.

[Dildor]

I'm really not sure how long Lee was out either, it didn't feel like days when I played it. But if you look at what a mess Clem's neighborhood is it looks like way more than a few hours since a zombie outbreak.

[Zeruis]

It's amazing how people think this. But really, I always like to think of it as the police car crashed in the morning, and Lee woke up in the afternoon.

[DreadMagus]

Clone thread!

That said, there were no walkers around said dead cop. Chances are good he was down for a while. No way to know for certain, but Clem mentioning that the sitter was down for a couple days is a pretty good measure.

[AwkwardlyNERD]

Clone thread!

That said, there were no walkers around said dead cop. Chances are good he was down for a while. No way to know for certain, but Clem mentioning that the sitter was down for a couple days is a pretty good measure.

Whoops, I didn't see the other thread, sorry!

[DreadMagus]

No biggie, it's probably a year before we'll get season 2 (pure speculation of course) so what else are we gonna talk about? :p

[dubesor]

he was passed out for mere minutes to max a few hours, was discussed before.
certainly not days.

[Scaeva]

Lee was out for two days.

We know this because Clem survived on her own for two days before Lee stumbled upon her house, and zombies had had not overrun the city before Lee was being transported to the prison.

The cop transporting Lee has no reaction to the police cars and helicopters speeding in the other direction, the radio chatter in the police car is confusing zombie attacks for disturbances and the like, and the transporting officer doesn't have a care in the world. He even shuts the radio off at one point because it was interrupting his conversation. He was obviously oblivious to what was going on.

The outbreak occurs while Lee is being transported, not before.

[AwkwardlyNERD]

Lee was out for two days.

We know this because Clem survived on her own for two days before Lee stumbled upon her house, and zombies had had not overrun the city before Lee was being transported to the prison.

The cop transporting Lee has no reaction to the police cars and helicopters speeding in the other direction, the radio chatter in the police car is confusing zombie attacks for disturbances and the like, and the transporting officer doesn't have a care in the world. He even shuts the radio off at one point because it was interrupting his conversation. He was obviously oblivious to what was going on.

The outbreak occurs while Lee is being transported, not before.

I've seen more than a few theories claiming otherwise. These theories speculate that, in other zombie related films/comics/books etc. (they named a movie where this happened but I can't for the life of me remember which film it was) the main character didn't encounter the undead until several days after the beginning of the outbreak. Please explain how the cop was being ripped apart and screaming for two days, then, without dying. Shaun certainly didn't take too long.

Then again, these ARE of course, just theories, not facts, so you may well be right.

[Willzy123]

Lee was out in the car for days.



I know :) ;)

[thestalkinghead]

I've seen more than a few theories claiming otherwise. These theories speculate that, in other zombie related films/comics/books etc. (they named a movie where this happened but I can't for the life of me remember which film it was) the main character didn't encounter the undead until several days after the beginning of the outbreak. Please explain how the cop was being ripped apart and screaming for two days, then, without dying. Shaun certainly didn't take too long.

Then again, these ARE of course, just theories, not facts, so you may well be right.

the cop dies just after the crash and went into sleep mode, lee saw some of that then was unconscious for at least a day (he was super thirsty) then he wakes up properly

[DreadMagus]

he was passed out for mere minutes to max a few hours, was discussed before.
certainly not days.

No.

[Araron]

Lee wasen't uncounscious for days.Perhaps for a few minutes,how much the officer needed to reanimate,and when Lee aproaches him,the reanimation process just finished.

[Scaeva]

I've seen more than a few theories claiming otherwise. These theories speculate that, in other zombie related films/comics/books etc. (they named a movie where this happened but I can't for the life of me remember which film it was) the main character didn't encounter the undead until several days after the beginning of the outbreak. Please explain how the cop was being ripped apart and screaming for two days, then, without dying. Shaun certainly didn't take too long.

Then again, these ARE of course, just theories, not facts, so you may well be right.

I think it is unlikely that the zombie apocalypse was in full swing while Lee was being transported, because the transporting officer had a 'another day at the office' attitude. He was completely unconcerned about the radio chatter or the emergency vehicles headed in the other direction. Also the radio traffic was describing attacks as if they were just disturbances or assaults by deranged people. No one yet had any idea of what they were dealing with.

Also when Lee later accesses the answering machine in Clem's house, in the first message Clem's mother says her husband was attacked by someone who was mentally ill, and is in the hospital. Clem's mother did not yet know what they were dealing with either.

Taking all of that into account, it seems more likely that the zombie apocalypse was just beginning while Lee was being transported. People still had no idea of what they were dealing with, and a state of emergency had not yet been declared. Hence, the officer transporting Lee not suspecting that anything was out of the usual.

When Lee awakes however, civilization has practically collapsed. That suggests to me that he was probably out for the two days that Clem was alone.

As for Lee waking up to the cop's screams, that was likely not long after the crash and not days later. He also slips back into unconciousness shortly afterwards.

I just finished reading The Road to Woodbury, and it actually covers why the transporting officer may not have turned immediately. In the book it was mentioned that the time it takes for a person to turn is seemingly random, or at least not undersood by the survivors. Some turn immediately, and others could take hours or days. With that in mind, that officer may have been lying their dead for two days before springing back into action.

[trd84]

When Lee was in the cop car the out break was just starting. After he woke up whole neighborhoods were abandoned. And Shaun said the city was as bad as the neighborhood Clem was in. The city wasn't bad when Lee and the cop left. I think it would take a little longer than a few hours for it to get like that.

[jangjangchang]

IT WAS 2 DAYS!

"I heard her scream two nights ago."

Geeze come on people!

[DreadMagus]

It could have only been 24 hours, also.

Timeline:
- 2 nights ago: All hell breaks loose, people start rising, babysitter gets killed
- Day: Lee and the Cop are heading out of Atlanta (reports of "incidents")/Car crash
- 1 night ago: Lee sleeps it off in the car after the cop dies outside, walkers wander off.
- Day 2: Lee wakes up - I think you know what happens from here......

[staticfl]

This makes sense to me....

It's amazing how people think this. But really, I always like to think of it as the police car crashed in the morning, and Lee woke up in the afternoon.

[Willzy123]

IT WAS 2 DAYS!

"I heard her scream two nights ago."

Geeze come on people!

Exactly! Why are people so stupid? If Clementine says "I heard a scream two nights ago". I think that means the apocalypse started two days ago! Meaning Lee was unconscious for 2 days!

[AwkwardlyNERD]

Exactly! Why are people so stupid? If Clementine says "I heard a scream two nights ago". I think that means the apocalypse started two days ago! Meaning Lee was unconscious for 2 days!

Don't call anyone stupid, please. We are talking about this in a civilized manner, thank you.

We are not talking about when the apocalypse started. We know it started two days before. We are talking about how long Lee was out.

Please be sensible and polite while contributing to the thread.

[AwkwardlyNERD]

I think it is unlikely that the zombie apocalypse was in full swing while Lee was being transported, because the transporting officer had a 'another day at the office' attitude. He was completely unconcerned about the radio chatter or the emergency vehicles headed in the other direction. Also the radio traffic was describing attacks as if they were just disturbances or assaults by deranged people. No one yet had any idea of what they were dealing with.

Also when Lee later accesses the answering machine in Clem's house, in the first message Clem's mother says her husband was attacked by someone who was mentally ill, and is in the hospital. Clem's mother did not yet know what they were dealing with either.

Taking all of that into account, it seems more likely that the zombie apocalypse was just beginning while Lee was being transported. People still had no idea of what they were dealing with, and a state of emergency had not yet been declared. Hence, the officer transporting Lee not suspecting that anything was out of the usual.

When Lee awakes however, civilization has practically collapsed. That suggests to me that he was probably out for the two days that Clem was alone.

As for Lee waking up to the cop's screams, that was likely not long after the crash and not days later. He also slips back into unconciousness shortly afterwards.

I just finished reading The Road to Woodbury, and it actually covers why the transporting officer may not have turned immediately. In the book it was mentioned that the time it takes for a person to turn is seemingly random, or at least not undersood by the survivors. Some turn immediately, and others could take hours or days. With that in mind, that officer may have been lying their dead for two days before springing back into action.

I didn't think about most of that. Thanks!

[Devlonir]

It could have only been 24 hours, also.

Timeline:
- 2 nights ago: All hell breaks loose, people start rising, babysitter gets killed
- Day: Lee and the Cop are heading out of Atlanta (reports of "incidents")/Car crash
- 1 night ago: Lee sleeps it off in the car after the cop dies outside, walkers wander off.
- Day 2: Lee wakes up - I think you know what happens from here......

Another option is that Clem's babysitter actually wasn't killed by a zombie but by a robber/murderer. The house itself is in shambles, drawers are pulled open everywhere, etc.. Walkers wouldn't start pulling at drawers, robbers would. So another possibility is that the babysitter was one of the first wave of zombies that have risen. This would make it more like:

- 2 nights ago: robber/murderer kills babysitter
- Day after: nothing happens, but Clem stays holed up because screams of babysitter. Babysitter, and other dead people, start turning somewhere during the end of the day.
- 1 night ago: First night of walkers, some people die but not that much because most people are indoors in their houses. Probably some news of civil unrest but nothing yet alarms everyone because the second wave of walkers, those killed by the first ones, have not yet risen.
- Day after: Cop gets Lee's ride as his first assignment, during morning rush hour the amount of zombie related incidents rise sharply when wave 2 starts rising in the middle of everyone being outside.
Cop car drives into a zombie from wave 2 that crosses the highway. Probably attracted by the sounds of the cars. Cop gets killed, probably, by the walker he drive into or whatever other walkers attracted by the sound.
A few hours later, in the late afternoon, Lee wakes up after the crash. Dry mouthed from the stress/adrenaline of the accident and minor blood loss from the injury.

The neighbourhood could have gone to hell in just 6-8 hours from morning rush hour to when Lee wakes up. This would also explain why Hershel's son is still doing trips to Atlanta, because it wasn't so bad when he was there the day before, or even earlier that morning.

[KUyTh]

If it was two days then the police officer would have been already devoured by nearby zombies. I'm still wondering how got there by the tree. Zombies can't drag people.

[trd84]

The Cop doesn't have to die right after the accident. He could have also been knocked out for awhile. He had a reason to get his shotgun out and not have time to load it.

[Scaeva]

If it was two days then the police officer would have been already devoured by nearby zombies. I'm still wondering how got there by the tree. Zombies can't drag people.

The cop may have been attacked by a single zombie, it didn't have to be a herd of them. It is unlikely he would be completely devoured, because that isn't what happens to most people. Unless they get swarmed, a little bit of them gets eaten and the rest is left to reanimate. If the zombies completely devoured most of their victims, there wouldn't have been a zombie apocalypse. Their numbers wouldn't have multiplied to the point where civilization collapses.

The cop may have also drug himself out of the vehicle. He was conscious when he was attacked, because Lee hears him screaming.

[watertommyz]

Lee was out for two days.

We know this because Clem survived on her own for two days before Lee stumbled upon her house, and zombies had had not overrun the city before Lee was being transported to the prison.

The cop transporting Lee has no reaction to the police cars and helicopters speeding in the other direction, the radio chatter in the police car is confusing zombie attacks for disturbances and the like, and the transporting officer doesn't have a care in the world. He even shuts the radio off at one point because it was interrupting his conversation. He was obviously oblivious to what was going on.

The outbreak occurs while Lee is being transported, not before.

This seems rather more like a guess than a fact. While obviously the outbreak was just beginning, we have no idea like in the comics exactly when and where it first happens, and it's more like a gradual process than just something happening at once.

Zombies could have overtaken certain places and spots, while other towns and areas could still have yet to have had any trouble with the Walkers, much like Hershel still hasn't seen or believed what people were telling him.

[WowMutt]

I think Lee was only out for a couple of hours, but unless someone from Telltale say's differently, I guess we'll never really know!

To add another point, hour's or day's, doesnt really matter one bit to the game.

[dubesor]

I think the problem is most people think it goes like this

---XXX

while it infact it works like this

--xxxxXXX

- = Before Outbreak, no Zombies whatsoever anywhere
x = First people who turn into zombies after dieing, very few if any are aware of what is going on.
X = Total Outbreak, pretty much everyone aware, shitton of zombies everywhere.

So if we talk about Lee being passed out, if you use the first example, yes 2 days is indeed the only answer.

But if you are more aware of the several steps the apocalypse takes it could be anywhere from mere hours to maximum 2 days. Thus, unless officially reported, it will remain unknown and everything else is simply speculation.

[Willzy123]

Don't call anyone stupid, please. We are talking about this in a civilized manner, thank you.

We are not talking about when the apocalypse started. We know it started two days before. We are talking about how long Lee was out.

Please be sensible and polite while contributing to the thread.

Lee must have been out for two days, but the apocalypse hadn't started when Lee was in the cop car. You can see the Atlanta buildings standing fine. But when you're in Clementine's Neighbourhood, and you meet Shawn and Chet or Andre, you see Atlanta's building on fire with explosions. Like in the TV series.

[AwkwardlyNERD]

Lee must have been out for two days, but the apocalypse hadn't started when Lee was in the cop car. You can see the Atlanta buildings standing fine. But when you're in Clementine's Neighbourhood, and you meet Shawn and Chet or Andre, you see Atlanta's building on fire with explosions. Like in the TV series.

I think the problem is most people think it goes like this

---XXX

while it infact it works like this

--xxxxXXX

- = Before Outbreak, no Zombies whatsoever anywhere
x = First people who turn into zombies after dieing, very few if any are aware of what is going on.
X = Total Outbreak, pretty much everyone aware, shitton of zombies everywhere.

So if we talk about Lee being passed out, if you use the first example, yes 2 days is indeed the only answer.

But if you are more aware of the several steps the apocalypse takes it could be anywhere from mere hours to maximum 2 days. Thus, unless officially reported, it will remain unknown and everything else is simply speculation.

Dubesor has pretty much explained what I was about to say.

[Rommel49]

There's one thing that most people seem to have forgotten, the cop was evidently dead long enough to noticeably decay. Lee says something to the effect of how the cop's skin looks rotten and comments on how badly he smells... even accounting for the climate of Georgia that means he had to have been dead for days.

[dubesor]

There's one thing that most people seem to have forgotten, the cop was evidently dead long enough to noticeably decay. Lee says something to the effect of how the cop's skin looks rotten and comments on how badly he smells... even accounting for the climate of Georgia that means he had to have been dead for days.

Has not been forgotten. Mr. Parker was rotten too and only dead for a few minutes. Was discussed and disputed before http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=746977

[Rommel49]

Has not been forgotten. Mr. Parker was rotten too and only dead for a few minutes. Was discussed and disputed before http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=746977

Except that the cop evidently hadn't turned yet, and Parker evidently didn't stink after his death. The fact Parker looked different could've been a stylistic choice to differentiate him from the living, whereas we're told firsthand from Lee that the cop actually had decayed.

[Robbingrobin]

Except that the cop evidently hadn't turned yet, and Parker evidently didn't stink after his death. The fact Parker looked different could've been a stylistic choice to differentiate him from the living, whereas we're told firsthand from Lee that the cop actually had decayed.

Maybe Katjaa and Lee had just other things in mind? And the Teacher/Travis were on their own in the wild, one shot, the other trapped in a bear trap. I bet they smelled "like shit" anyway.

[KUyTh]

I think, the zombifying process makes the corpses rot much faster than the biological process does.

[Bababooey]

Remember the message on the answering machine . I am going on the theory he was out at least a day or two. As for the police officer. He survived the crash probably badly injured but manged to find his shot gun. And crawl to a spot. When the walkers came he tried to fight them off.

[Rommel49]

Maybe Katjaa and Lee had just other things in mind? And the Teacher/Travis were on their own in the wild, one shot, the other trapped in a bear trap. I bet they smelled "like shit" anyway.

You don't exactly mistake the smell of say, not bathing as a result of being out in the woods for a while or what have you with the smell of a rotting corpse. Indeed, Mark even says "you never get used to the smell, do you?" when pushing Walkers off the fence with Lee later in the episode.

[trd84]

I think the problem is most people think it goes like this

---XXX

while it infact it works like this

--xxxxXXX

- = Before Outbreak, no Zombies whatsoever anywhere
x = First people who turn into zombies after dieing, very few if any are aware of what is going on.
X = Total Outbreak, pretty much everyone aware, shitton of zombies everywhere.

So if we talk about Lee being passed out, if you use the first example, yes 2 days is indeed the only answer.

But if you are more aware of the several steps the apocalypse takes it could be anywhere from mere hours to maximum 2 days. Thus, unless officially reported, it will remain unknown and everything else is simply speculation.

Yes but I don't think it goes from xxx to XXX in only a couple hours. I think it would take more than a few hours for neighborhoods and cities to be taken over and abandoned. Remember Shawn said the city was worse than Clem's neighborhood.

And I think the cop was knocked out as well. And he got killed a little while before Lee woke up, rather being killed just after the wreck.

[trd84]

I think, the zombifying process makes the corpses rot much faster than the biological process does.

I think the game over done it. In the tv show freshly turned people don't have rotting skin. That was one of things that bugged me in the game. As soon as someone died and came back their skin already was rotting.

[Cyreen]

Lee was in prison and then stuffed in a car for transport. He was aware of "something" going on prior to his transport from some of the comments he makes at Hershel's and it didn't "just" start that day. Obviously the police or at least the one driving Lee didn't realize the magnitude of the problem until the day of the crash. It's possible Clementine's suburb was hit prior to downtown Atlanta, with the zombies moving into the more populated areas.

[Rommel49]

I think the game over done it. In the tv show freshly turned people don't have rotting skin. That was one of things that bugged me in the game. As soon as someone died and came back their skin already was rotting.

I think to a pretty big extent it was just a stylistic choice as I said earlier, simply to clearly differentiate them from the living. Clem's parents for example, despite being infected pretty much from the start are still recognizable... by contrast, guys like the helicopter zombie weren't even though he had to have turned sometime after the first episode (there weren't any helicopters jutting out of the pharmacy until Episode 3).

Lee was in prison and then stuffed in a car for transport. He was aware of "something" going on prior to his transport from some of the comments he makes at Hershel's and it didn't "just" start that day. Obviously the police or at least the one driving Lee didn't realize the magnitude of the problem until the day of the crash. It's possible Clementine's suburb was hit prior to downtown Atlanta, with the zombies moving into the more populated areas.

It seems unlikely that Clem's neighborhood went pear-shaped before Atlanta. All the police and SWAT vans are heading towards the city rather than away from it. Shawn also says something to the effect of "we haven't seen anything this bad since Atlanta a couple miles back".

[Cyreen]

It seems unlikely that Clem's neighborhood went pear-shaped before Atlanta. All the police and SWAT vans are heading towards the city rather than away from it. Shawn also says something to the effect of "we haven't seen anything this bad since Atlanta a couple miles back".

All the police and SWAT vans were heading toward the city because the zombies had already chowed down on the suburbs, gaining numbers for two days prior. The precedent has already been set in regard to military response times in a US crisis (i.e. Hurricane Katrina).

This thread makes a LOT of assumptions, my theory is just as plausible without blowing 2-day holes in the story.

[Rommel49]

All the police and SWAT vans were heading toward the city because the zombies had already chowed down on the suburbs, gaining numbers for two days prior. The precedent has already been set in regard to military response times in a US crisis (i.e. Hurricane Katrina).

This thread makes a LOT of assumptions, my theory is just as plausible without blowing 2-day holes in the story.

That doesn't make much sense though; the police/SWAT wouldn't have known Clem's neighborhood had fallen unless they were there. That only has two probable results: 1.) they would've been among the casualties, yet we see no signs of such 2.) they successfully dealt with the problem (which is obviously not the case).

Even if we assume the police just got there, threw up their hands and gave up on the neighborhood to make a 180 to the city it's not exactly reasonable to assume they wouldn't report on what they had seen, and "a neighborhood full of corpses and apparent cannibals" rates a bit higher on the alarm scale than simple rioting and civil disobedience (which is how it's described on the radio).

Using Katrina as a benchmark for response times in this case is also a bad one, due to things like flooding and the fact it damaged things like roads and highways and hurricanes tend to keep aircraft grounded. By contrast, at the beginning of the episode 1, the highways were clear (hell, Atlanta itself is only about 100 miles away from Ft. Benning).

[Cyreen]

That doesn't make much sense though; the police/SWAT wouldn't have known Clem's neighborhood had fallen unless they were there. That only has two probable results: 1.) they would've been among the casualties, yet we see no signs of such 2.) they successfully dealt with the problem (which is obviously not the case).

Please. You see the end of one block of Clem's neighborhood and not many casualties, why? Probably because they were busy chewing on downtown Atlanta.

and "a neighborhood full of corpses and apparent cannibals" rates a bit higher on the alarm scale than simple rioting and civil disobedience (which is how it's described on the radio).

And yet that was exactly what was happening in Atlanta at the time it was being described as civil disobedience and rioting.

Using Katrina as a benchmark for response times in this case is also a bad one, due to things like flooding and the fact it damaged things like roads and highways

No, you're right that was a poor example, considering the authorities were aware of the potential destruction of Katrina in advance, whereas zombies are a little more unpredictable.

[Scaeva]

This seems rather more like a guess than a fact. While obviously the outbreak was just beginning, we have no idea like in the comics exactly when and where it first happens, and it's more like a gradual process than just something happening at once.

Zombies could have overtaken certain places and spots, while other towns and areas could still have yet to have had any trouble with the Walkers, much like Hershel still hasn't seen or believed what people were telling him.

It is unlikely that the cop would have a 'another day at the office' attitude and chat about past experiences in transporting prisoners, or that he'd be completely unconcerned with the radio chatter and other emergency vehicles, if other cities and towns had 'gone dark.'

That would be national news even if people thought they were dealing with riots or social unrest, and would have likely been the topic of conversation. At the very least it would have given the transporting officer reason to be concerned with the radio traffic. That he isn't implies that Lee is transported at some point during the initial outbreak.

[Rommel49]

Please. You see the end of one block of Clem's neighborhood and not many casualties, why? Probably because they were busy chewing on downtown Atlanta.

Except that's mutually exclusive with what you originally claimed; that Clem's neighborhood and the suburbs fell first. Plus there's the simple fact that if the Walkers moved from her neighborhood to Atlanta, by definition they had to you know, walk there. Zombies aren't exactly shown to be fast, and they're certainly not faster than speeding cars on a highway - that alone kinda makes the theory unworkable.

And yet that was exactly what was happening in Atlanta at the time it was being described as civil disobedience and rioting.

Incorrect. Atlanta evidently hadn't fallen yet. We don't know how bad it was at the time the police were moving into the area.

No, you're right that was a poor example, considering the authorities were aware of the potential destruction of Katrina in advance, whereas zombies are a little more unpredictable.

Having advanced warning still doesn't much matter if the highways and roads are impassable and aircraft are grounded. On the same vein, being unpredictable likewise doesn't matter much when you're restricted to a max speed of 3 MPH or less, and we can see the zombies weren't exactly clogging the highways.

There's a saying that covers this quite well: "Amateurs talk tactics, diletantes talk strategy, professionals talk logistics".

[Devlonir]

Let us all not forget the fact that Clem's neighbourhood had at least 1 Roamer before Lee's car accident happened. Namely: the one he hit.

For a zombie to become a roamer, he first needs to have nothing left in the near area to eat. That means that from all the sounds he hears in the near vaccinity, the highway must have been the one most ressembling food at the time. So no more people nearby in houses to see or smell, only other dead ones.

I think the neighbourhood was already hit relatively bad in the morning of Lee's drive. The city just had priority for the police.

And, as I said before: The driver of Lee's car might be all calm because, basicly, he came into work and started driving Lee before morning rush hour. The one moment when a few zombies stalking in the night turn into a huge problem out on the streets.

Concerning Clem's parents. They obviously called after the babysitter died which was, as Clem herself said: two nights ago. My theory that she might have been the victim of a violent robbery instead of a zombie, seeing the state of the house, is still solid as well.

[Cyreen]

Except that's mutually exclusive with what you originally claimed; that Clem's neighborhood and the suburbs fell first.

It's not "mutually exclusive", that's what I'm saying - Clem's neighbourhood fell first. Zombie's don't have to move fast, they just need to infect. The bitten would have driven to city hospital facilities. Zombies are more about chain reaction - infect, move, turn, rinse and repeat.


Incorrect. Atlanta evidently hadn't fallen yet. We don't know how bad it was at the time the police were moving into the area.

What do you mean incorrect? What? Do you seriously think they were having issues with "civil disobedience" or is it more likely zombies were munching on people in the streets causing panic and the police had no clue what they were dealing in their radio transmissions? [/QUOTE]


On the same vein, being unpredictable likewise doesn't matter much when you're restricted to a max speed of 3 MPH or less, and we can see the zombies weren't exactly clogging the highways.

On that note, the bitten can drive and board planes.

There's a saying that covers this quite well: "Amateurs talk tactics, diletantes talk strategy, professionals talk logistics".

Don't be so condescending, you're obviously not that intelligent (that would be "dilettantes" to those that can spell).

[Rommel49]

Let us all not forget the fact that Clem's neighbourhood had at least 1 Roamer before Lee's car accident happened. Namely: the one he hit.

For a zombie to become a roamer, he first needs to have nothing left in the near area to eat. That means that from all the sounds he hears in the near vaccinity, the highway must have been the one most ressembling food at the time. So no more people nearby in houses to see or smell, only other dead ones.

I think the neighbourhood was already hit relatively bad in the morning of Lee's drive. The city just had priority for the police.

The walker they hit wasn't in Clem's neighborhood though, it was on the highway. :p More seriously, the "route" Lee used to get to Clem's neighborhood can't be used to get back to the highway, especially not by walkers since it's basically a sheer drop of atleast twenty or thirty feet. The one they hit just as easily could've been some poor shmuck who died on the highway itself - hell, that might not even have been the first time he was hit by a car on that highway.

There's also the fact the Walkers in the area left Lee alone despite his shouting and being within what, 30 feet of the cop? They didn't start pursuing until the gunshot, which would make me wonder if they could even hear the traffic on the highway.

It's not "mutually exclusive", that's what I'm saying - Clem's neighbourhood fell first. Zombie's don't have to move fast, they just need to infect. The bitten would have driven to city hospital facilities. Zombies are more about chain reaction - infect, move, turn, rinse and repeat.

Except the problem with the idea is that Clem's neighborhood has more than its fair share of walkers (which are, in and of themselves, readily apparent casualties, what with the missing faces and limbs). On the one hand you're trying to claim the police basically gave up the neighborhood up for dead since it fell first and didn't report on what they had seen because... tiddlywinks, while also trying to claim there weren't many casualties - those two positions are mutually exclusive.

Given how quickly the infection evidently progresses and causes things like loss of conciousness, if mass numbers of zombies-in-waiting were driving to the city odds are we also would've seen more wrecked cars on the highway. Hell, it's specifically mentioned that Clem's dad "didn't feel well enough to drive".

What do you mean incorrect? What? Do you seriously think they were having issues with "civil disobedience" or is it more likely zombies were munching on people in the streets causing panic and the police had no clue what they were dealing in their radio transmissions?

There's no evidence they were full on eating people in the streets yet, as far as we can tell, which is what you claimed was going on. Given the tone of Diana's message in Savannah: "Ed had a little incident with some crazy guy at the hotel", it doesn't exactly sound like there was all that much panic at the outset. Plus, if they were having issues with mass cannibalism, it wouldn't be difficult to call it as such.

On that note, the bitten can drive and board planes.

Actually, apparently the bitten can't drive; Ed couldn't. We're told as much on the answering machine. :rolleyes: Given their tendency to pass out shortly after being bitten, that also raises questions about their ability to stand around in lines and go through security at the airport.

Don't be so condescending, you're obviously not that intelligent (that would be "dilettantes" to those that can spell).

It's not my fault you apparently didn't understand that debris-filled roads and grounded aircraft happen to increase response times.

If nitpicking a typo is all you can do to make yourself feel better about it, knock yourself out. Oh, and you screwed up a quote tag; neener-neener.

[Rozzer616]

He was unconscious for, at least, a day. He woke up 3 times after the crash: the first time was evening (and I heard the police officer screaming and getting eaten), the second was night (he was still getting eaten) and the third was evening again.

[Cyreen]

First...

Oh, and you screwed up a quote tag; neener-neener.

Seriously? Second...

Except the problem with the idea is that Clem's neighborhood has more than its fair share of walkers (which are, in and of themselves, readily apparent casualties, what with the missing faces and limbs). On the one hand you're trying to claim the police basically gave up the neighborhood up for dead since it fell first and didn't report on what they had seen because... tiddlywinks, while also trying to claim there weren't many casualties - those two positions are mutually exclusive.

I neither claimed the police "gave up" nor that there were or weren't sufficient casualties in Clem's neighbourhood. What I did do was question your fanfiction hypothesis, which is rather limited in scope.

There's no evidence they were full on eating people in the streets yet, as far as we can tell, which is what you claimed was going on. Given the tone of Diana's message in Savannah: "Ed had a little incident with some crazy guy at the hotel", it doesn't exactly sound like there was all that much panic at the outset.

You are aware there's about 250 miles between Atlanta and Savannah? As for "not much panic at the outset", that would explain how outer suburbs could fall without a great deal of notice from authorities.

Actually, apparently the bitten can't drive; Ed couldn't. We're told as much on the answering machine. :rolleyes: Given their tendency to pass out shortly after being bitten, that also raises questions about their ability to stand around in lines and go through security at the airport.

Wow, it's amazing Lee managed to finish the game at all.