Sam and Max is Sad

[Zachspyfox033]

Does anyone else think that keeping Lenard in the closet is mean? It’s not funny anymore, it’s just sad. I feel bad for him. It almost made me cry when in 202 Max said that he fed Lenard Spiders. In 203 can you please make Lenard not be in the closet? Just make him disappear and don’t mention him in any more episodes. I don't want to see a man who didn't do anything that bad be kept in a closet anymore. I really feel bad for him and its mean of you to keep him in their. (Please, no one post anything making fun of me)

[NickTTG]

Welcome to the world of Sam and Max boy. You're in for a Leonard Abuse Ride of a Lifetime!

[InvaderJim42]

I don't find anything wrong with keeping him in the closet. It's not realistic or anything... I actually find it quite amusing listening to the kinds of things Leonard is fed. And why complain about Leonard? Sam and Max have done worse prior to this...

Dropped Jimmy Two-Teeth from the office window
Dropped a bowling ball on Specs' head from the office window
Punched Whizzer, and Peepers in the face
Nearly electrocuted Myra Stump
Blew up Ted E. Bear's Mafia-free Playland and Casino (presumably badly-injuring the mafioso)
NUKED downtown Washington D.C. just to take out Lincoln (presumably killing a lot of people)
Killed Chuckles doing the above
Hit Bosco in the face to knock him out of Reality 2.0
Punched EVERYONE in the face after the end of Bright Side of the Moon (to undo the Max hypnosis)
Shipped Santa to hell

If all of that has passed under your morality radar and let Leonard's treatment slip through, it should be raising some red flags...

[Dedlok]

Call me sadistic if you want, but I find it dunny that they still have him in the closet. :D At least they actually feed him. :)

[Zachspyfox033]

I don't find anything wrong with keeping him in the closet. It's not realistic or anything... I actually find it quite amusing listening to the kinds of things Leonard is fed. And why complain about Leonard? Sam and Max have done worse prior to this...

Dropped Jimmy Two-Teeth from the office window
Dropped a bowling ball on Specs' head from the office window
Punched Whizzer, and Peepers in the face
Nearly electrocuted Myra Stump
Blew up Ted E. Bear's Mafia-free Playland and Casino (presumably badly-injuring the mafioso)
NUKED downtown Washington D.C. just to take out Lincoln (presumably killing a lot of people)
Killed Chuckles doing the above
Hit Bosco in the face to knock him out of Reality 2.0
Punched EVERYONE in the face after the end of Bright Side of the Moon (to undo the Max hypnosis)
Shipped Santa to hell

If all of that has passed under your morality radar and let Leonard's treatment slip through, it should be raising some red flags...

Yes but Leonard is the only one that you still see. When you click on Leonard in 202 then zoom in on his face and you can see how sad he it. Its heartbreaking.

[Zachspyfox033]

Call me sadistic if you want, but I find it dunny that they still have him in the closet. :D At least they actually feed him. :)

If you click on him in 202 Max says he fed him spiders.

[NickTTG]

hah thats so funny that you felt sad there. i totally made that part! it makes me happy that i could make you sad. too funny lol

[Sir Lemming]

Don't worry; R. Kelly is taking care of him.

[Chuck]

Being tied up in the closet is Leonard's punishment for saying Santa isn't real and is just for little kids.

[Zeek]

Yes but Leonard is the only one that you still see. When you click on Leonard in 202 then zoom in on his face and you can see how sad he it. Its heartbreaking.

Funny, I read that face as terrorfied fear from the fact that the closet opened again. Who knows what kind of horrors they've done to him between episodes to warrent that plastered look.

[InvaderJim42]

Come to think of it, I'm a little surprised that Leonard's chin is still clean-shaven, and his mustache is still neat and trimmed despite how long he's been in there. Do you think Max shaves him, too?

[some nerdy guy]

At least they feed him, random, nasty things but they still do. Although it's not really funny anymore, I think we should get rid of him in a puzzle. Like have some nasty creature fall in love with him or something. AKA the ending of trading places.

[LuigiHann]

If it were up to me, I'd make it so in 203 and 204 you only visit the office in cutscenes, so the player can never look in the closet. Then, in 205, you open the closet and Leonard has become a dry skeleton.

[Kedri]

Are you forgetting the machinima by Steve Purcell? At one point, Leonard falls out the window into a truckload of glass shards and other pointy objects that I forget?

The problem with Leonard is that we know him. We know he was once a successful gambler, that he loved his mom, and his whole life was thrown in the gutter once he lost his money to Sam & Max. Sure, it was funny seeing him in the closet in 4, 5, even 6, a bit. But it's time for Leonard to move on. Have him gnaw through his ropes, leaving nothing but the bundle of rope, a few Ted E. Bear tokens, and a hole in the back of their closet.

[Dedlok]

If you click on him in 202 Max says he fed him spiders.


Quite aware of that fact. Hence why I said "At least they feed him" :)

[Buuga]

If it were up to me, I'd make it so in 203 and 204 you only visit the office in cutscenes, so the player can never look in the closet. Then, in 205, you open the closet and Leonard has become a dry skeleton.

I think, it's funnier when actually nothing happens to him while time passes by.

My suggestion would be,when you're opening the closet door, you see that he has just got untied by himself. But he sees sam&max and ties himself again.

Edit: well, he didn't tie himself in the first place :D

[xChri5x]

Flint could take care of him if Sam & Max ever get bored.

[Laserschwert]

Flint could take care of him if Sam & Max ever get bored.

Or he could feed him when Sam & Max are out of office... and water the chia-head.

[Harald B]

Maybe he'll have the painfully poor judgement of trying to escape through the hole in the wall. Or maybe he'll be desparate enough to drink the Jar o' Bliss, then fly out the window and become a supervillain for a little while before having his spree ended in a premature and anticlimactic fashion.

[wisp]

having him in there all the time sure feels a bit strange. he should at least try to escape one time..on the other hand he is part of the item collection from previous episodes and if he would be gone there would be nothing to remind you of 103...okay, except all the other junk they nabbed from the casino after it burned down, but nothing in the closet.

[delimew]

i don't much care what happens, but having Lenard just sit in the closet as he is seems like a waste of potential. and i know TTG can come of with better gags than just what he's been fed.

on a random note: i think we should meet/see his mother >.>

[InvaderJim42]

His mother's dead, remember?

[delimew]

oh yea... mah bad >.>

[Zeek]

His mother's dead, remember?

So? The next epsiode is a zombine based one. We may find her grave as an environment joke.

[InvaderJim42]

So? The next epsiode is a zombine based one.

Zombine, eh? Are you thinking of a Half-Life 2/Sam & Max crossover?

[wisp]

i guess it will be way more gothic than hl2...and zombine is just an ordinary everyday word like bovine or canine..

[LuigiHann]

Maybe he'll have the painfully poor judgement of trying to escape through the hole in the wall.

That would be awesome.

[Anvilania]

Does anyone else think that keeping Lenard in the closet is mean? It’s not funny anymore, it’s just sad. I feel bad for him. It almost made me cry when in 202 Max said that he fed Lenard Spiders. In 203 can you please make Lenard not be in the closet? Just make him disappear and don’t mention him in any more episodes. I don't want to see a man who didn't do anything that bad be kept in a closet anymore. I really feel bad for him and its mean of you to keep him in their. (Please, no one post anything making fun of me) I don't think so HE WAS DANG CHEATING ON "Indian Poker" IN EPISODE 103!!
and he STOLE THE MEATBALL SANDWICH!! *sobs*

[zozenka]

Why can't we take him outta the closet and torture him? Or make him stand against the wall and try to shoot the apple of his head,or make him eat Stinky's food...ew!

[Zachspyfox033]

I don't think so HE WAS DANG CHEATING ON "Indian Poker" IN EPISODE 103!!
and he STOLE THE MEATBALL SANDWICH!! *sobs*

Yes but that isn't bad enough for him to deserve all of the horrible things that Sam and Max did to him.

[InvaderJim42]

Yes but that isn't bad enough for him to deserve all of the horrible things that Sam and Max did to him.

Yes, it is. =P

[Randulf]

Have S&M let Leonard go, but Leonard is so overcome with Stockholm syndrome that he ends up stalking the duo.

[Kitmit13]

I think its funny, its like he is their pet XD

[Molokov]

Well considering Vice President Spatula is pure evil!, I guess they need a new pet.

[Harald B]

Maybe not. He still seems to be confined to his water cooler. Plus, with all their neglect any pet of theirs has to be undead just to survive.

[Jake]

Why can't we take him outta the closet and torture him? Or make him stand against the wall and try to shoot the apple of his head,or make him eat Stinky's food...ew!

They did do that in the Interrogation machinima from last year... Well, he ran away and landed in a truck full of broken glass before Max could get the cordless router, but still.

[Kedri]

Like I said, I want Leonard to flee leaving nothing but some chewed rope, a few Ted E. Bear tokens, and a hole in the back of the closet.

[questionthemajority]

I have to agree with the guy who started the thread here. Sam and Max are certainly mischievous, but they're not bad guys. Yes, they've done their share of violent trouble making, but they're also cartoon characters. Things like dropping people from a roof or punching someone in the nose are pretty normal behavior in their world. But when it's all said and done, Sam and Max's antics have always had rather short-lived consequences. It's uncomfortable seeing the effects of their actions lasting longer than one episode. When they had Leonard tied up in one or two episodes afterward, it was funny, but at this point it's kind of creepy. Even Steve Purcell himself has said that Sam and Max have good hearts, they're just stupid. I can't imagine them truly keeping someone locked up in their closet for that long.

[ShaggE]

I have to agree with the guy who started the thread here. Sam and Max are certainly mischievous, but they're not bad guys.

I dunno, they did mock Jimmy when he was suicidal in 201. That's pretty cruel.

[InvaderJim42]

I dunno, they did mock Jimmy when he was suicidal in 201. That's pretty cruel.

Ah, but we all know Jimmy is too much of a chicken to do it.

[Zeek]

Like I said, I want Leonard to flee leaving nothing but some chewed rope, a few Ted E. Bear tokens, and a hole in the back of the closet.

Would said rope be used in yet another "impossibly long rope" puzzle?

[Randulf]

Ah, but we all know Jimmy is too much of a chicken to do it.
Yeah, Jimmy's just an attention-seeker.

[flipperthepriest]

I like having leonard in the office, but they should do something better with him. I mean, now who's going to be in mr spatulas watercooler, should they retrieve it from easter island? You could even have him ungagged and with his head sticking up from the water cooler with his body scrunched up inside, and you can throw food to him as a minigame like whack the rats? You could also have him saying nasty things, so you wont feel so bad about keeping him.

[jmm]

I agree in one thing: They need to renew the gag someway or drop it altogether, its getting too tired having a character as a background item.
Make him DO something (And please, not another feed gag/puzzle on him).
I'd love a "impossibly long rope" puzzle.

For instance, S&M could need to use a rope and since they do have one in the closet...

[wisp]

hasn't anyone thought about the only real problem leonard is causing? he is taking up way to much space in the closet. i mean it's supposed to contain a collection of souvenirs from the previous episodes, right? so first i thought this would be limited to the season and when they put small stuff like the vr goggles in there I thought it would be nice to have something to fill some space. now, that the collection continues space is getting rare and you could easily store trophies from three episodes instead of leonard..

[Zeek]

hasn't anyone thought about the only real problem leonard is causing? he is taking up way to much space in the closet. i mean it's supposed to contain a collection of souvenirs from the previous episodes, right? so first i thought this would be limited to the season and when they put small stuff like the vr goggles in there I thought it would be nice to have something to fill some space. now, that the collection continues space is getting rare and you could easily store trophies from three episodes instead of leonard..

Well, we did get three souvenirs from 201 in 202, two of which take up OFFICE space. I don't think space will be the issue as long as they have space in their office.

By the way, I'm epecting the Sock Crown to be on the hat rack in 203. :D

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Well, we did get three souvenirs from 201 in 202, two of which take up OFFICE space. I don't think space will be the issue as long as they have space in their office.

By the way, I'm epecting the Sock Crown to be on the hat rack in 203. :D

With the option to place it on Max whenever you want? :D Count me in!

[wisp]

Well, we did get three souvenirs from 201 in 202, two of which take up OFFICE space.
right, there is also some stuff from 103 in the office, but this seems to be quite random. the closet however contains exactly one item from every episode so far. those items are like keepsakes whereas everything outside feels like having a purely decorative purpose and might be replaced everytime something new comes around, like a christmas tree...

[Zeek]

Nah, Sam & Max strike me as the type that wouldn't throw out a Christmas tree until it either died of natural causes (reads: neglect) or spontaniously overgrows in the office creating a fir interior that is both painful and pleasent-smelling. Either scenario seems likely.

[InvaderJim42]

Nah, Sam & Max strike me as the type that wouldn't throw out a Christmas tree until it either died of natural causes (reads: neglect) or spontaniously overgrows in the office creating a fir interior that is both painful and pleasent-smelling. Either scenario seems likely.

And even when the tree died, they'd STILL find a reason to keep it around.

[Zeek]

Life for firewood!

[tobar]

Life for firewood!

Boy you really value firewood.

[InvaderJim42]

Boy you really value firewood.

You would if you live in the cold mountains of Massachusetts, like me!

[NickTTG]

dur...

[Guybrush Threepwood]

dur...

Is that your favourite thing to post? :D

(waits for the "dur..." reply)

[NickTTG]

it was my "dur..." day. i posted all over the forums 1/23/08

[Dedlok]

Yeah! dur...

[sam&maxfan]

I was actually upset at the Yo Mama jokes because someone I know had recently lost his mother to cancer. However, I laughed because it's funny to see a cartoon character traumatized, but not a real person.

[some nerdy guy]

I will say one thing, they only took bradys hair for all the crap he did but kidnap a loser. come on. It should have been the other way around. That way we can see the, oh man its the guy from poker. I am kind of sick of him though. He never says anything thing so hes like a depressed background object. USE HIM.

[Zeek]

I will say one thing, they only took bradys hair for all the crap he did but kidnap a loser. come on. It should have been the other way around. That way we can see the, oh man its the guy from poker. I am kind of sick of him though. He never says anything thing so hes like a depressed background object. USE HIM.

Well, we did get to use him in 106.

[InvaderJim42]

Well, we did get to use him in 106.

Aye, if all of you will recall, Max fed him the Deed to the United States and we had to use the Gastrokinesis talisman to make Leonard throw it back up. Interestingly, the word 'Emetics' is based off emesis, which means vomiting. And of course, Emetics and Prismatology are parodies of Dianetics and Scientology.

[wisp]

emesis, hmm...just when you thought you know everything, there's a great new word to learn...now everything makes a lot more sense.