Which character in this game you hate the most?

[Vongalaxy]

At first, I hate Larry because hes a dick when he hit me on the face. But later in the farm, he seem to be better and I begin to not hate him. And in chapter 3, Carly death is so FKING SHOCKING and I FKING HATE LILY and LEFt her. So I hate Lily the MOST.

[Scaeva]

Larry.

He's just an asshole with no redeeming qualities.

Lilly I view as being a tragic character. She isn't a bad person, she just became completely unhinged by Larry's death. I was angry when she killed Carley, and she got left on the side of the road, but I never hated the character.

[Snake Liquid]

Not really any of them. I, and my Lee, could see Larry's point of view. From Larry's perspective, here comes this man who he has seen on the news was convicted of murder, of a United States Senator no less, and is being sent away for life in prison. Not only is this man not in prison, but he shows up to the group with a little girl and his daughter starts to get along with him fairly well from the get go.

Yeah he was a jerk to others besides just Lee, but even still you have to see his point of view. When he threatens Lee at the motel for the first time at the end of Episode 1, he even mentions if anything happens to Clem because of Lee he'd take care of him, not just looking out for Lilly.

If you tell Mark in Episode 2 that Larry is just looking out for his daughter, and then Mark tells Larry that, he just reacts surprised and says something like "I just need something to eat. Going this long without food would make anyone cranky."

Like I said, he is usually a colossal jerk, but I can still see his point of view.

I guess I'd say Vernon. There is a real morally ambiguous character. Even if you are completely honest with him, and he is kind with you upon leaving, and even if you agree to let him take Clem, he will still come back to the house with his group and steal the boat out from under your group. He leaves Clem behind to die from the herd, even if Lee agreed to let him take her, and goes so far as to beat anyone that was left behind at the house and lock them in the shed.

Vernon ended up being a person as bad as the people in Crawford, which he hated so much. I'd have liked to run into him again in Episode 5... but alas.

[o0HeaDShoT0o]

Larry - First threatens to throw out Duck when he wasn't even bitten to begin with, then he tries to kill Lee right in front of Clementine, even after he saved his life. He may out to protect his daughter, but there are better ways to do it than acting like a paranoid asshole.

Lilly - She had no right to murder one of our own. I used to have some sympathy for her after Larry's head got smashed in, but she threw it all away after pulling the trigger like that.

Campman - He thinks Lee's a bad guy but his own actions don't really make him much of a saint. He lied to Clem about having her parents so he could get her. He made her leave her hat behind without even considering how important it is to her. He locked her in a room with no way for her to get out just because he didn't want her to see Lee. He also keeps his undead wife's head in bag, acting like she's alive.

[k1ngMe]

Larry - The paranoid asshole threaten to throw out Duck when he wasn't even bitten to begin with and tried to kill Lee right in front of Clementine, even after he saved his life.

Lilly - Was always looking out for herself and Larry, and never trusted anyone. Plus, She had no right to murder one of our own.

Campman - He is the very thing that he claims Lee to be, only twice as bad.

1) You're an idiot.

2) Give Larry a break. He has the right to be paranoid over something like that. Its a zombie apocalypse!

3) "Lilly was always looking out for herself and Larry" That's false. Yes, she took Larry's side in most of the arguments, but that's only because he's her father! When it came down to it, Lilly cared about the group, and was willing to do anything to protect them. Even if it meant killing potential threats like Carley.

4) Campman had his reasons to kidnap Clem.. He thought he was doing the right thing. It's not like he stole her for shits and giggles. You really need to look at both sides of the story before calling people out on this shit.

[Rock114]

I dislike Larry A LOT, and his daughter as well, although not as much. I don't hate either of them, although I was a bit glad when they were both gone (as people, as far as written characters go they were both great).

I hate VERNON. The only person I TRULY HATE in this game. He went behind our backs and took our group's only chance to get out of the city with what few people remained. Hell, there's a chance that Ben and Kenny would still be alive if he hadn't stolen the boat. And instead of being scattered and lost, the group might be together on the boat and safe, at least for a little while. He and his group royally screwed Lee and Co.

[thesuperzapper]

Duck.

[aaron1290]

I hate Steve and mac. Mac was eaten but he didnt fend for himself and steve was doing radio in the Za...

[Zeruis]

Larry, Brie, or Vernon. Yeah, probably Vernon.

[thewalkingwalker]

Vernon and his crew

[CarleyandLeeTWD]

I hate Lilly- and of course I'm sure the reason is already you know, known.
I understand that she was close to her breaking point, but wtf man, the only thing i would do is like punch the person in the face a couple of times, but NOT kill. Carley was a well loved character who I dont think deserved to die. If she did, with Lee. I try not to think she did, I just think she survived and stuff since the bullet only hit the cheek/jaw. (which isn't that fatal as a gunshot to the brain)


I also didn't like Vernon and Larry. Larry kept screaming and such, but of course yeah hes looking out for Lilly, but i dont get how he's so paranoid about Lee, when he isn't bad, and the murderer thing is past.

[Mornai]

I hated Brie. She tried so hard to get Lee killed on the assumption that he was from Crawford. Then in her next scene we're supposed to be "all is forgiven". Screw that! I wanted to give her a piece of my mind, but alas. It was not to be.

As for Larry, say what you want about him, but he has one thing going for him. He didn't tell anyone about Lee's past. If he were a real dirtbag, he would shouted out "This man is a convicted murderer! We can't let him in the group!" or something upon recognizing him, but he does not. The only one he ever tells is Lilly, and he's only trying to protect her.

[Corcline27]

Nah Larry wanted to keep Lee's past a secret for as long as possible. For blackmail. He would have told everyone if he thought it would help him or Lily in some way

[Phil_TWD]

Lilly because she took Carley away.

[CarleyandLeeTWD]

Yeah screw that mada_ _ _ _. Yeah, I realized that as well Corcline. Unlike Carley, Larry couldn't be trusted. One trait that's very important everywhere is trust @.@ .

I'm sure he was looking out for his daughter, Mornai, but I think his ways/confrontation were too how should I say this: angry?/overprotective? . He could've said that, but it didn't happen; Too busy with stuff going on. Anyway, Lee tells them later anyway. Kudos to Carley.

[Psyconix]

First it has been Larry, because he was so harsh and judgmental towards Duck and Lee. Then later I hated Lilly for the unexpected killing of Carley. After that scene I immediately left her behind.

[Viner16]

I actually did not hate any characters.

Except perhaps Vernon.

[SeriousScar]

Ben, he was indirectly responsible for the deaths of Carley, Kat and Duck. All of whom I liked way more than him. I don't hate Lilly, despite the fact that she killed Carley. She was broken at that point.

[Gman5852]

Campman. Lee, Kenny, and possibly Ben would still be alive if it weren't for him dang it! And now poor Clem is off alone with only the comfort that those two strangers might be Christa and Omid.

[magodesky]

"Lilly was always looking out for herself and Larry" That's false. Yes, she took Larry's side in most of the arguments, but that's only because he's her father!

Sooo... that makes it okay to just go around executing people without any evidence that they're actually a threat? Because she's the only one in the group with someone they care about?

When it came down to it, Lilly cared about the group, and was willing to do anything to protect them. Even if it meant killing potential threats like Carley.

Except Carley wasn't a potential threat. In fact, she was probably the only person in the whole game who never did anything to hurt the group. Lilly just thought Carley was a threat because she was a paranoid psychopath on a witch hunt.

When it came down to it, Lilly only cared about herself and Larry and making sure everyone else in the group did everything she said. As soon as anyone became the slightest bit inconvenient, she was all for leaving them to die.

So, yeah. Lilly definitely wins most hated character as far as I'm concerned. Hands down.

[LauriNicole]

Duck or Larry. I can't choose...

And I liked Lilly... :S

[coolkid12]

Brie she tried so hard to get Lee killed. Sure he may of been from crawford for all she knew, but still. She angered me.

[Rommel49]

Duck's certainly on the list for me. Kid was a recipe for migraines, I had times where I had to wonder if TTG was bribed by the fine people who make Excedrin to include him. :p

More seriously, the Stranger and/or Vernon. Both of them indirectly got the bulk of the surviving group members killed in Episode 5. The stranger by kidnapping Clem, Vernon by not warning the group about the approaching herd.

[double_u]

Wow, this is a tougher question to answer than I thought. It would boil down to Ben, Larry, or Lilly.

I think, in time, I could forgive Ben the way Kenny did if I was in character. I tend to think of others before myself, so I would probably have to pick Lilly over Larry, who despite his asshole nature mainly had it out for Lee. While I understand the circumstances that caused Lilly to go nuts by the RV, I find it hard to forgive what Lilly did.

[ZacTB]

Lilly, but I kind of love to hate her in a way. I think she is a great character. Also Larry as well, but I thought he wasn't that bad apart from when he punched you at the end of Episode 1. Also Vernon, probably the most. A dumb apology letter doesn't cut it after how nice and grateful I was to him in Episode 4. Selfish bastard.

[k1ngMe]

Sooo... that makes it okay to just go around executing people without any evidence that they're actually a threat? Because she's the only one in the group with someone they care about?



Except Carley wasn't a potential threat. In fact, she was probably the only person in the whole game who never did anything to hurt the group. Lilly just thought Carley was a threat because she was a paranoid psychopath on a witch hunt.

When it came down to it, Lilly only cared about herself and Larry and making sure everyone else in the group did everything she said. As soon as anyone became the slightest bit inconvenient, she was all for leaving them to die.

So, yeah. Lilly definitely wins most hated character as far as I'm concerned. Hands down.
No, you got it wrong. Carley was a HUGE threat at the time. Nobody knew for sure that it was Ben, which gave reason to believe it was Carley working with the bandits. Hell, even I thought it was Carley. Eliminating threats is something any good leader would have to do in order to keep their group safe. And quit acting like Lilly didn't care about the group. If she didn't care, she wouldn't have put that much effort into the group in the first place.

[CarScar]

There's three obvious choices:


Lilly Caul
Love and hate her. She's an interesting character, a real badass. But some of the things she has done has been... Unfavourable in my books.
Larry Caul
He was designed to be hated. He had some really cool lines though.
Ben Paul
He was also designed to be hated. I like his character, he's somewhat realistic for a teenager but... He's just so painfully dumb at times. It didn't help that he was so pissy all the time too.

[anonymau5]

There's three obvious choices:


Lilly Caul
Love and hate her. She's an interesting character, a real badass. But some of the things she has done has been... Unfavourable in my books.
Larry Caul
He was designed to be hated. He had some really cool lines though.
Ben Paul
He was also designed to be hated. I like his character, he's somewhat realistic for a teenager but... He's just so painfully dumb at times.


You forgot Brie. I feel sorry for the person she was based off of, because Telltale made her an annoying bitch in the game.

[Rommel49]

When it came down to it, Lilly only cared about herself and Larry and making sure everyone else in the group did everything she said. As soon as anyone became the slightest bit inconvenient, she was all for leaving them to die.

So, yeah. Lilly definitely wins most hated character as far as I'm concerned. Hands down.

As the group leader in a survival situation, it's hardly unreasonable to expect people to tow the line. A group really only functions (and thus survives) through unity of purpose and direction. Split that focus by allowing everybody to just do their own thing? It makes the entire group less effective and significantly reduces the odds any of them will succeed at whatever they're trying to accomplish.

If she was all for leaving someone to die the instant they became inconvenient, we would've been looking at a much smaller group at the beginning of Episode 2. The kids weren't contributing from what we saw, the food Mark brought was almost gone so he had just become another mouth to feed, Kenny certainly would've qualified as an inconvenience...

[double_u]

No, you got it wrong. Carley was a HUGE threat at the time. Nobody knew for sure that it was Ben, which gave reason to believe it was Carley working with the bandits. Hell, even I thought it was Carley. Eliminating threats is something any good leader would have to do in order to keep their group safe. And quit acting like Lilly didn't care about the group. If she didn't care, she wouldn't have put that much effort into the group in the first place.

Eliminating threats is a HUGE difference from eliminating someone you, while in an emotionally unstable state, suspect without any solid evidence. The only thing Lilly knows was that someone was trading with the bandits, but no evidence points to a specific person. We wouldn't know until Ben admits it.

It's like a bunch of crazy cops going into a shopping mall and gunning down all shoppers because a shopplifting case occured.

If anything, Carley is one of most selfless group members who even gave up her own rations so the kids would have food.

Lilly snapped, and used whatever reasons crazy people can find to shoot someone, which in this case was Carley standing up to her.

At one point, I did believe Lilly cared about the group and definitely empathisized with her role as leader and distributor of limited supplies. However, after chatting with her in episode 2 at the farm, I get the feeling that all she cared about was Larry and herself, and the group was there to shield them. Just my hunch anyway.

[k1ngMe]

Eliminating threats is a HUGE difference from eliminating someone you, while in an emotionally unstable state, suspect without any solid evidence. The only thing Lilly knows was that someone was trading with the bandits, but no evidence points to a specific person. We wouldn't know until Ben admits it.

It's like a bunch of crazy cops going into a shopping mall and gunning down all shoppers because a shopplifting case occured.


That doesn't apply to this situation. There were only TWO possible suspects, Ben and Carley. Carley then started to aggravate Lilly, which is was stupid on her part. You don't mess with someone who A) has a gun, B) Is accusing you of betraying the group and C) Is on the verge of a mental breakdown. I'm not saying that what Lilly did is justified, but Lilly honestly thought that she was protecting the group.

[Scaeva]

Ben, he was indirectly responsible for the deaths of Carley, Kat and Duck. All of whom I liked way more than him. I don't hate Lilly, despite the fact that she killed Carley. She was broken at that point.

Ben is also indirectly responsible for the death of Chuck, who gets killed rescuing Clem after Ben abandoned her.

No, you got it wrong. Carley was a HUGE threat at the time. Nobody knew for sure that it was Ben, which gave reason to believe it was Carley working with the bandits. Hell, even I thought it was Carley. Eliminating threats is something any good leader would have to do in order to keep their group safe. And quit acting like Lilly didn't care about the group. If she didn't care, she wouldn't have put that much effort into the group in the first place.

A good leader doesn't shoot someone based on paranoid delusions, particularly when that someone also happens to be one of the group's most loyal and combat-effective members.

Lilly murdered a completely innocent person in cold blood, and further endangered the group both by robbing it one of its best fighters (Carley) and by guaranteeing Lilly's own exile from it. A good leader would know there would be no coming back from murdering Carley, and that it would fracture the group. A good leader would also know that the best time to deal with the traitor situation, was after everyone had some rest and a chance to clear their heads. It was a decision that had to be made with logic, not emotion.

I'm not someone who hates Lilly. I think she is a sad, tragic character...I'd love to see her return in the sequel and somehow redeem herself. But as a leader, she is completely inept, particularly after Larry's death. By act three Lilly was uninhinged, and not capable of leading anything.

[thesuperzapper]

The dick on the radio, he made lee get bitten and therefore Clem have to go out on her own.

[DreadMagus]

Vernon

I'm really hoping we can skull-fuck him with a sledgehammer next season.

[Kaserkin]

Vernon. This guy is the biggest asshole in the game. He's all "Oh were not like Crawford we're gonna help you", just to lower our guard so he can steal the only hope of 3 adults and 2 kids to save a few old and sick folks.

[Liziiqui]

Campman.
The way he just called me out on every single thing I did and would not let me explain. Man, he was a dick.

:(

[SeriousScar]

Ben is also indirectly responsible for the death of Chuck, who gets killed rescuing Clem after Ben abandoned her.

Oh yeah, I had forgotten him! Poor Chuck. :(

The dick on the radio, he made lee get bitten and therefore Clem have to go out on her own.

When you think about it, Clem is also partly to blame for multiple reasons. She should have told everyone about the man on the radio the first time she had contact with him, she certainly shouldn't have continued to talk to him.

[ZacTB]

I actually felt sorry for Campman. I think its worse if you didn't steal from the car and mostly did good things, but I stole from the car and did a few things I regretted (not get to Clementine in time before she ate Mark and also the whole Lilly situation), so I felt guilt the whole time he was talking to me. And I didn't expect him to be the owner of the car in Episode 2. It's weird how insignificant that choice to take the car stuff felt at the time. But I still thought he needed to be killed because he was a threat, but I messed up with the button mashing and Clementine shot him for me. I didn't mind that so much though.

Oh yeah, I had forgotten him! Poor Chuck.

And Brie, lol. Ben got more humans killed than walkers, he was worse than Carl from the TV show.

[Jaded X Gamer]

At one point, I did believe Lilly cared about the group and definitely empathisized with her role as leader and distributor of limited supplies. However, after chatting with her in episode 2 at the farm, I get the feeling that all she cared about was Larry and herself, and the group was there to shield them. Just my hunch anyway.

I felt the same way. Tried to help her. Felt terrible about what happened to her father. Even let her back in the RV at the last second. Figured Lee got a second chance after killing someone maybe she should get one too. But in the end I think she didn't care about anyone but herself and her father, and anyone else was only there for her and his benefit.

Also, good or bad intentions, she really was a terrible leader. The first time you meet her she's yelling at Carley and Glenn for not letting five people get eaten right outside. But after her father has a heart attack (for yelling at Carley for shooting a walker who was in the store) she starts begging you to get pills for him. So leaving the pharmacy to save five people people is a careless risk, but leaving the pharmacy to get keys to save your elderly father who suffered a heart attack because he wouldn't stop yelling like an asshole isn't an unnecessary risk?

During your first team effort as a group: Kenny tells everyone to gather supplies, assures Lilly they'll get her dad the pills (right after Larry nearly threw Kenny's son out), tells Doug to be the watchmen and for Carley to rest to keep her accuracy sharp. Glenn suggests going out on his own so he can get enough gas to get them out of downtown, Lee gives him a radio, Lilly...shoots a dirty look at Carley for offhandedly calling Kenny "boss".


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And then on the way out of the Pharmacy she's crying about how important it is to get her dad out while Kenny is barking out orders left and right in an effort to get everyone to safety. Then after her asshole father tries to kill Lee (the guy who got him those life saving pills), Kenny comes back and saves Lee's life, even if Lee sided with Larry earlier.

Next episode she's complaining about rationing food even though Mark says she uses a lottery to decide who eats. The mighty leader lets random numbers decide who eats, then complains about how hard it is. Maybe you just split it evenly or possibly favor the people you send out for more food so they'll be more able bodied and therefore will bring back more food. (Bet Mark would have gotten that bird if he had eaten before he left.)

I also wouldn't be surprised if she were secretly giving her father extra food, seeing as he's every bit as able bodied as he was in Episode 1 while everyone else is complaining about fainting spells and hunger pains. She would probably rationalize it by saying he needs more food since he has a medical condition and that it's okay not to tell the others because they "wouldn't understand".

Anytime she's losing an argument she just changes subjects. She actually invokes Godwin's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law)when Kenny starts questioning her crappy leadership. In Episode 3 when asked about leaving the Motor Inn she brings up what happened to her father instead. She completely ignores the fact that they're running out supplies to scavenge in Macon or the fact the bandits in the woods want them dead. (The latter being a particularly important point since apparently there really wasn't much stopping said Bandits from barging in and taking everyone hostage other than Ben's deal.)

Seriously, she was a horrendous leader in retrospect. She mentions in the first episode she mostly did admin and mechanical stuff in the Air Force, and it shows. She governs like a self-righteous bureaucrat. She complains about being in charge, refuses to listen to anyone and really has no plan beyond doing the exact same thing they're already doing no matter what happens or how the situation changes.

I still feel bad for her, seeing as it was obviously her father pushing her into the role of leader (sure as shit wasn't anyone else in the group). He constantly berates her anytime she acts like less than a bossy asshole and she clearly never worked up the courage to tell her old man off, so she just does whatever he says to placate him. She even says she didn't agree with him on the Duck being bitten thing, but didn't object just the same.

Anytime Larry and Lilly disagree she caves to whatever Larry says and she makes excuse after excuse to cover for him. It's probably been that way her whole life. Constantly vying for her father's approval by doing what he wants, then covertly running damage control with other people because on some level she knows he's a jackass. And since she probably never got the nerve up to go against her father, he probably chased off any possible friends she could ever make. And that would make him all Lilly has in the world, and that probably caused her to double down on appeasing him out of fear of being completely alone. Lilly's life was probably a tragedy before the zombie apocalypse. :(

I not sure if I actually hate Lilly though. I know on at least some level I pity her. Ironically the few times she's right about something is when no one listens to her. After Mark gets hit with an arrow she's suggests getting their food to go and head back to the Motor Inn, which is what I wanted to do. But her father insists on not offending the St. Johns. (Great judge of character there dad. Try to murder the person who saved your life, put the moves on the mother of a family of murderous cannibals.)

Now when you find the "abandoned" station wagon, Lilly says:

“If they come back, then we’re just monsters who came out of the woods and ruined their lives.”


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Good call. Too bad without her dad to back her up she didn't feel confident enough to exert her authority on this issue. Oh well. :D

[Iyrsiiea]

Wow. Ben was only mentioned a couple times and only three people put him as their 'most hated' character. Which makes me all kinds of happy, seeing as I like Ben.

OT: At certain times I might have hated one character or another, even Ben when he left Clem, but at the end of season I couldn't find it in me to truly hate any of them. They all had their flaws and virtues.

[double_u]

Wow, great analysis Jaded X Gamer. Your post totally put into words the reasons I began suspecting Lilly as really only out for her father.

[Jaded X Gamer]

Wow. Ben was only mentioned a couple times and only three people put him as their 'most hated' character. Which makes me all kinds of happy, seeing as I like Ben.

OT: At certain times I might have hated one character or another, even Ben when he left Clem, but at the end of season I couldn't find it in me to truly hate any of them. They all had their flaws and virtues.

Yeah, pretty much the whole cast was well written enough where I found it hard to actually hate any one character. Or in Larry's case it was harder to hate him simply because so many of his lines are fucking hilarious. :D

In Ben's case I could never really stay angry at him because I basically viewed him as another kid, same as Duck and Clem. Yeah he's a teenager, but in most ways you're still just a kid at that age. Couple that with the fact he's a band geek and I wouldn't be surprised if he lived at least a semi-sheltered life before the shit hit the fan.

It's most obvious when Chuck is around. He says there are three adults looking out for three kids. If you pick silence as a response Chuck goes on to tell Ben how hard it must be for him being just a boy an all (which Ben meekly denies). Ben also complains about not getting to work on a "super cool train" and there's that scene of him eating the candy Chuck gave him.


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He may be tall but in the grand scheme of things he's just a boy. He rarely even swears (and when he does it's usually a big deal). And he's alone in a group of people who probably don't care about him (except Clem and possibly Lee if the player likes him).

I always looked at him as another child who needed protection like Clementine. When he and Clementine got cornered in Episode 4 I saw them both as panicking kids in desperate need of help. In fact Ben's deal with the bandits, the one that causes so much trouble, really isn't that different from Clementine's own dealings with a devil (which also causes a lot of trouble).

Both Clementine and Ben go behind the group's back to talk to someone outside the group (Stranger/Bandits) because they say they have their loved ones (Clem's Parents/Ben's Classmate) and because they naively believe them (Clem runs off with the Stranger after Lee says they can't look for her parents/Ben starts slipping the Bandits meds) they end up putting the whole group in danger with their actions (Having to navigate a swarmed Savannah/Bandits attack).

Although Ben is still a pretty a colossal fuck up. I mean he unbars an obviously blocked door, as opposed to Clementine who helps you bar a door that's about to break. Still, Clem has Lee to look out for her, Ben's really got nobody. Some kind of fatherly figure probably would have done Ben a lot of good.

When I was teaching Clementine how to shoot I was wishing I'd could actually bring Ben in next and give him some basic survival pointers. I actually suspected Kenny may have been willing to fill that role after Ben finally told him off, you know, if it weren't for that stupid balcony.

Wow, great analysis Jaded X Gamer. Your post totally put into words the reasons I began suspecting Lilly as really only out for her father.

I'm glad you liked it. Here's a bonus one. Vernon taking the boat was probably an impulse decision, not some cold calculated master plan like some have suggested.

When everyone's escaping the Crawford bell tower, he asks about the group coming by train only to immediately drop the subject. I'm guessing he saw the massive herd of walkers that were coming on the rails and realized that his group wouldn't be safe even in the sewers anymore because the whole city would be completely overrun. (Which we see happen in Episode 5.)

He probably knew Kenny or most of you're group wouldn't agree to let them on the boat and you don't have to be a fisherman to know that one speedboat probably can't carry ten people so he probably figured his people's best chance was just to take it for themselves.

Imagine if he was actually honest with you and told Lee's group that he saw the approaching herd and he wanted his people to come along on the boat? How would you decide something like that when only five people could go? How would you talk Kenny into it for that matter? It was still a shitty thing to do, but I really think Vernon acted more out of desperation than outright malice or simple greed.

I think this is why Vernon suddenly suggests giving up Clementine to him too. Probably between escaping from Crawford and returning to the manor he had made up his my mind about taking the boat but likely still felt at least a tinge of guilt about abandoning an adorable nine year old girl to die. If Lee agreed Vernon probably planned to take Clementine with them after they take the boat.

[BenIsKindaCool]

in ben's case i could never really stay angry at him because i basically viewed him as another kid, same as duck and clem. Yeah he's a teenager, but in most ways you're still just a kid at that age. Couple that with the fact he's a band geek and i wouldn't be surprised if he lived at least a semi-sheltered life before the shit hit the fan.

It's most obvious when chuck is around. He says there are three adults looking out for three kids. If you pick silence as a response chuck goes on to tell ben how hard it must be for him being just a boy an all (which ben meekly denies). Ben also complains about not getting to work on a "super cool train" and there's that scene of him eating the candy chuck gave him.


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he may be tall but in the grand scheme of things he's just a boy. He rarely even swears (and when he does it's usually a big deal). And he's alone in a group of people who probably don't care about him (except clem and possibly lee if the player likes him).

I always looked at him as another child who needed protection like clementine. When he and clementine got cornered in episode 4 i saw them both as panicking kids in desperate need of help. In fact ben's deal with the bandits, the one that causes so much trouble, really isn't that different from clementine's own dealings with a devil (which also causes a lot of trouble).

Both clementine and ben go behind the group's back to talk to someone outside the group (stranger/bandits) because they say they have their loved ones (clem's parents/ben's classmate) and because they naively believe them (clem runs off with the stranger after lee says they can't look for her parents/ben starts slipping the bandits meds) they end up putting the whole group in danger with their actions (having to navigate a swarmed savannah/bandits attack).

Although ben is still a pretty a colossal fuck up. I mean he unbars an obviously blocked door, as opposed to clementine who helps you bar a door that's about to break. Still, clem has lee to look out for her, ben's really got nobody. Some kind of fatherly figure probably would have done ben a lot of good.

When i was teaching clementine how to shoot i was wishing i'd could actually bring ben in next and give him some basic survival pointers. I actually suspected kenny may have been willing to fill that role after ben finally told him off, you know, if it weren't for that stupid balcony.



Respect!The man has spoken!

[Wynne]

Larry.

He's just an asshole with no redeeming qualities.

Lilly I view as being a tragic character. She isn't a bad person, she just became completely unhinged by Larry's death. I was angry when she killed Carley, and she got left on the side of the road, but I never hated the character.Yeah, everything I don't like about Lilly traces back to Larry. He's the one who raised her. She's responsible for her actions, but if he'd been more laid back/less apoplectic than he was, he probably wouldn't have triggered his heart condition at the worst possible time. Then maybe she wouldn't have gone off the deep end like she did.

Yeah, I blame Larry for Lilly. She cracked, she went paranoid, she had a moment of temporary insanity. I don't think it would've happened if she had a calm and rational father to keep her grounded.

[dustpuffs]

The St. John family were my most hated. I couldn't single out one of them, since they are all murdering cannibals. Glad I killed them all!

[Kaserkin]

@Jaded X Gamer: I 100% agree with what you said about Ben, but Vernon's act was stealing the group's only hope to save his group of old and sick people, while our group was healthy and had 2 kids. It may not have been calculated, but it was extremely selfish.

[Ygdrasel]

Larry. He was just unpleasant.

[CarleyandLeeTWD]

This post needs a poll.

Lilly- i didn't like her attitude/how she handle things + she's a killer for god's sake. But ofc, she was trying to do what she could.

Larry- idk, what's his problem anyway? Just cus im a convict he treats me like im some kind of crazy dick. But I find him funny sometimes, when he swears- (like when he says: Stupid sh*ts/when we were in the meat locker he goes: Stupid sons of b*tches.)

Looks like most people hate the father/daughter duo.

[k1ngMe]

Ben is also indirectly responsible for the death of Chuck, who gets killed rescuing Clem after Ben abandoned her.



A good leader doesn't shoot someone based on paranoid delusions, particularly when that someone also happens to be one of the group's most loyal and combat-effective members.

Lilly murdered a completely innocent person in cold blood, and further endangered the group both by robbing it one of its best fighters (Carley) and by guaranteeing Lilly's own exile from it. A good leader would know there would be no coming back from murdering Carley, and that it would fracture the group. A good leader would also know that the best time to deal with the traitor situation, was after everyone had some rest and a chance to clear their heads. It was a decision that had to be made with logic, not emotion.

I'm not someone who hates Lilly. I think she is a sad, tragic character...I'd love to see her return in the sequel and somehow redeem herself. But as a leader, she is completely inept, particularly after Larry's death. By act three Lilly was uninhinged, and not capable of leading anything.
Yeah it sucks.. She was such a great leader before the Larry incident.. And I definitely agree with you. Her heart was in the right place, but she just didn't make the right call that time. And I still think she's a better leader than Kenny.

[CarleyandLeeTWD]

I think Lee/Carley or both of them would make good leaders. Carley is right about Lee when she says that people look up to him. Another is that Lee cares about everyone and uses logic, not emotion. Carley is a smart person who could help Lee out. (Like her sudden realization that Lee should tell the group about his past, it was pretty much for the best)

Kenny is fine but if he was in his right mind like in the drug store I'd think he would do fine.

[CarleyandLeeTWD]

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[Kaserkin]

Carley has a leader? No way, she should learn to me more diplomatic. Calling a paranoid and armed girl "bitch" ain't a good plan.

[imood]

Larry, 100%. The guy is an asshole from beginning to end. I wish the game gave Lee a harsher reply option, because I'd have picked that.

[LauriNicole]

Carley has a leader? No way, she should learn to me more diplomatic. Calling a paranoid and armed girl "bitch" ain't a good plan.

Hmm, Carley as a leader? I don't like that idea much, even as a Carley fan (for the most part). I think she's too caring to handle a lot of the decisions a leader would have to make. She'd be a great second in command, but I think she'd lead the group to their demise because she wanted to help someone and not realize how much of a danger she might be putting themselves in.

Oh, and uh, I already answered the question that is the point of the thread on the previous page, so I'm not really sure what else to say to make this on topic. Oh well.

[Hudomonkey]

I was forced into either pitying not trusting or hating pretty much everyone

I'm very annoyed with Vernon because I thought he was a nice guy and betrayed us
I can't think of someone I hate the most but Vernon was the biggest disappointment as everyone else I kind of expected them to go crazy, be selfish, be useless, be treacherous, be too brave or death prone whilst he was a Doctor and quite nice.
(Also I name a soldier in X-com after him and he ended up being a Colonel Psi powered assault as well as the chosen one before I found out about his betrayal)

[TheWalkingBurrito]

Lilly And Larry:

Larry:He gets angry every minute withe veryone,he doesnt care about other people
and he hates lee and everybody else except her daughter!

Lilly:She Killed Carley!!!!

[AnnaSan]

I disliked some characters for certain times, but not really hate.

Larry: because he treats Lee like crap. (I still saved his ass in the meatlocker)

Kenny: because the if you don't help him, he won't help you. (I love my bro though xD)

Lilly: because she shouts way too much.

Ben: because he lied to us.

[ohioisonfire]

A lot of people, in my experience, say Ben. I disagree. Ben is a good kid, (he is still just a kid), he just wants to make sure everything is alright. Although his choices may not have been the best, his intentions were gold. What if he declined the bandits offer? They would have come and attacked anyways. It could of ended better, but it also could of ended worse. He IS still just a scared little kid. It must not be easy having no one; having everyone against you for doing bad when you meant the best. So for that particular reason, he is probably my favorite, right next to Carley.

The most hated would have to be, hands down, Lilly. I understand that Lilly was just looking out for her Dad and herself, she needs to understand things and not to be such a stubborn psychopath, especially in times like an apocalypse where you need to work together and rely on total strangers. You CANNOT just shoot someone because of something you don't even know. Especially to a survivor who has never done ANYTHING to hurt the group, a good shot, and trustworthy all along. Lilly was just mad because what Carley said applied to her, and she knew it. She needed to realize that everyone in the group has someone to look out for. I sided with Kenny the whole game, because that "trustworthy" Lilly would have left the group to be eaten alive by walkers in the RV, and have shot one of the group members in the face, so either way, she screwed the group over. She turned out to be a hypocrite, and I hate her for that.

Larry was just a dusty old fart and he got what was coming to him. At first I really did sympathize for Lilly about her dad, since she was so emotional over it. She had just lost everything. But then I realized, the group was better off without him. He blackmailed Lee with stories from his past, and left him for dead. If he wasn't such an asshole by getting all worked up over nothing and didn't need his nitro glycerin pills back in episode one, they could have gotten out safely with Doug AND Carley. Lee wouldn't have to kill his brother. Things didn't have to end the way they did, but they did because of him. He doesn't even feel shame. I'm surprised that everyone didn't let him die.

[watertommyz]

St. Johns family. They were horrible sick people that killed Mark before I even got to know him. The bastards.

[imood]

Hmm, Carley as a leader? I don't like that idea much, even as a Carley fan (for the most part). I think she's too caring to handle a lot of the decisions a leader would have to make. She'd be a great second in command, but I think she'd lead the group to their demise because she wanted to help someone and not realize how much of a danger she might be putting themselves in.


Carley fan here! I think she isn't that caring. Remember, she wanted to ditch that woman in the motel. If it wasn't for Glenn and Lee, she should have left. Sure, the woman was a loss cause, but they didn't know that.

Larry is definitely my most hated character, followed by Lily. I wanted to hate Ben, but can't. I don't know, maybe because he's kid or seems so pathetic that I can't help but feel sorry for him. He kept wanting to prove himself, but somehow, he always failed. The kid is really unlucky.

[AwkwardlyNERD]

I never liked Carley or Duck too much.
I preferred Doug and Shawn. I would have liked to have been able to save Doug and Shawn without them dying anyway.

[ZeroShoot]

i don't hate any of them, since everyone is (quite) reasonable, Larry only wanted to protect his daughter even though he was trying to kill us...
the guy on the radio is reasonable too, you messed with him, and that got his family killed, so he messes with YOUR family and that would be clem... unfortunately, i would hate him if he had gotten Clem killed though.
i can't hate Ben because... seriously he IS trying to do his best and on the streets in ep4 he was scared, i mean i didn't forgive him for the most mistakes but, i kinda understand him. he fucks up over and over again, tries harder and fucks up way harder.

[BlackBoxx]

Gotta go with Larry. Lilly may have gone overboard with things, but she at least shows appreciation when you support her actions. Larry? Nothing you do has any effect on how he treats you. After everything you went through to save his life at the pharmacy, first thing he does is try to kill you. Sorry, but he made the meat locker choice very easy for me. Your head is jell-o, old man.

[Scree]

Well I didn't hate any characters but there are some annoying characters like Lily and her dad. Jesus I was happy to lost them both.

[AnnaSan]

I never liked Carley or Duck too much.
I preferred Doug and Shawn. I would have liked to have been able to save Doug and Shawn without them dying anyway.

Yeah, there should've been multiple endings where the ones you tried to save survived.
I liked Shawn but Kenny ended up disliking me =.=

[dancingwithvodka]

Firstly, Jaded X Gamer, you rock.

I have a few people I disliked- i will say these by episode:

Episode 1:
1) Hershal- yeah he can be all grumpy and old and shit, but stop being a douche- i know you lose your son, but no need to be all suspicious of me

2) Larry- i dont like assholes- especially yelling assholes who jump to conclusions and dont actually think about the consequences to their decisions
-he punches Lee after Lee KILLS HIS BROTHER (zombie or not) to get the keys for that asshat.
-hes constantly grumpy, and while his lines are kinda funny, hes a jerk to everyone even his own daughter

3) Lilly- shes all kinds of bitchy and not very nice when she loses control of the group

Episode 2

Larry- again, total douche

The Bandits- ALL of them

The St. Johns- Especially the creepy younger brother who im guessing would have kissed his gun had Lee not been standing there looking at him like the gun molester that he was

Kenny- for making me kill Larry

Lily- for making me kill Larry

Episode 3

Lily- shes unhinged, selfish, stupid and irrational. Plus, even though she was right about the "count being off" with the supplies, she shoots Carly so that she can be the dominant female. And im guessing she had a crush on Lee, and might have been pissed that Lee liked Carly over her.

the bandits- causes people to get killed or bitten by walkers. Though I enjoyed the Bandits being killed by the walkers.

Ben- for not being smart enough to tell people what he was doing and for getting people killed.

Episode 4

Christa- why do you have to be so bitchy about the radio? Like I was going to take that thing away from my girl?

Vernon- for being an asshat- full stop

The people in crawford

Molly- she was a badass but reminded me of Lilly


Lilly- oh.. shes not in this episode..

Episode 5

- Vernon- i dont need a reason

-Radio man..

-Lilly.. oh wait..

:) Comment away :)

[Corcline27]

Vernon. He is an old sneaky bastard.

[lastdodobird]

I thought it would be Larry. But damn...

BEN.

[Nuked]

Campman for kidnapping Clem, followed closely by Larry.

[Sutinen]

I wouldn't hate Vernon if he wasn't such a dick, pulling a gun on me when he first sees me, talking like I'm not a good parent for Clem and stealing the boat. That's why I hate Vernon.

[Riadon]

Travis and Irene

[Moggyoxys]

Travis and Irene

I understand Travis, but I'm curious why Irene.

[Nuked]

I understand Travis, but I'm curious why Irene.

Yeah we really didn't get to know Irene well enough to hate her.

[Riadon]

I understand Travis, but I'm curious why Irene.

She's a nutjob with cheesy dialog.

[Nuked]

She's a nutjob with cheesy dialog.

She's been bit and doesn't want to come back as a walker. Not that crazy.

[aperose]

It's hard to pick just one person. Ben, Larry, the St. Johns, Radioguy.

I think I would have to say Larry though. Although I really hate Ben, I don't think he ever did anything with malicious intent. But Larry is the biggest asshole because despite who Lee was, there was no reason to bring up his past ESPECIALLY when he just proved that he would be a team player when he went through all that trouble (including killing his own brother!) to get Larry his medicine. Larry also causes the most conflict and the biggest divide between Kenny and Lilly. After we nearly die trying to leave the pharmacy, he has the nerve to punch us in the face. If I were given the option I would have killed him in a covert way. He was a big guy, taking up resources like food and medicine while being nothing but a complainer and dividing the group. The St. Johns are despicable but I still think our group was kind of naive to trust them so blindly. And Radioguy just went crazy.

[Koi]

Not too different from the majority, as far as I can tell.

Campman, for being an idiot, a hypocrite and for ultimately screwing everyone over because of his own idiocy. I mean, I know he's kind of mentally unstable by the point we actually get to talk to him, so his motives and reasoning was probably a bit skewed, but I have no sympathy for him - everything that's happened to him started with him losing his own son, and he accuses Lee of being callous and an inadequate guardian for Clementine? Are you serious? And then he's stupid enough to leave his car in the middle of a clearing, keys in ignition and everything, and expect everything to be intact when he comes back. Hell, nevermind being in a ZA, even in our own zombie-free world, no one would be stupid enough to do that. You leave your car like that, you are asking to be robbed. If I were his wife, I'd leave him too, for being such a useless jerk.

But yeah, as I said, he's gone crazy at this point, so it was probably just easier for him to blame Lee and his group for everything that happened than admit that he's an idiot that inadvertently let his whole family die.

And then there's the former resident asshole, Larry. Self explanatory choice, I think. I've tried to see things from his point of view and all, but he was just too violent and too much of a bully for me to like him at all. As someone said, he was pretty much designed to be hated, and I did hate him. I think the only point in his favor was that he loved and cared about his daughter, but honestly, who doesn't have someone they love and care about? Doesn't justify his actions or behavior.

I used to hate Lilly, but I've noticed both she and Kenny's attitude is quite different depending on certain interactions and who you side with more, so during my first playthrough, when I sided with Kenny near 100%, I really hated her. Second time, I tried to take her side at times and feed Larry and stuff, and I suddenly didn't hate her as much. I know she still takes off with the RV no matter what, which is why I still don't particularly like her, but I guess it's sort of justifiable considering the whole "Kenny murdered her dad brutally right in front of her face" thing.

I think that's all, the major ones that stick out for me anyway. I never hated Ben, despite the fact he's also a miserable idiot that screws people over repeatedly. Maybe because I get the feeling that if I were ever in a ZA, I'd be that raging idiot who contributes nothing to the group and screws up all the time. :D Soo, I kinda sympathize, and I can't bring myself to hate him. People like us mean well, we're just massively uncoordinated and can't get our shit together.

And that part ^ doesn't contradict what I said about Campman - what I hated most about him is that he blames Lee and everyone else for the most part. At least Ben knows he's a fuckup, and wants to make amends for what he's done instead of assigning blame. As far as I can remember, anyway.

Edit: And just read Jaded X Gamer's post about Lilly, which reminded me of a few more reasons why I didn't like her.

Also, the lottery is a terrible way to determine who gets to eat. If it was really impossible to divide the food evenly every day and only four people would eat daily, then why didn't they simply make up a schedule and take turns? That would ensure there was no favoritism going on, reduce the number of arguments and skepticism within the group and everyone would have the same chance to eat. Why would you even leave something like that to chance? It's entirely possible for someone to just have horrid luck and not eat for days because of this, not to mention extremely easy to rig, as I'm assuming she's not holding a lottery drawing show and pulling names out of a hat for everyone to see when she distributes rations.

[Deadgirl94]

The St. Johns, without a doubt.

As far as I'm concerned, they were the only people who truly deserved to die in the entire game.
They were evil, sick, twisted cannibals that deserved nothing more than to eaten alive, just like they did to all those people they killed.
After all, they killed Mark and were going to kill the entire group, unless someone stopped them.
I wouldn't be surprised if they killed and ate their own father, too, just because the hunger got to them.

[Jaded X Gamer]

Also, the lottery is a terrible way to determine who gets to eat. If it was really impossible to divide the food evenly every day and only four people would eat daily, then why didn't they simply make up a schedule and take turns? That would ensure there was no favoritism going on, reduce the number of arguments and skepticism within the group and everyone would have the same chance to eat. Why would you even leave something like that to chance? It's entirely possible for someone to just have horrid luck and not eat for days because of this, not to mention extremely easy to rig, as I'm assuming she's not holding a lottery drawing show and pulling names out of a hat for everyone to see when she distributes rations.

And she fucking complains about how hard it is! You're letting chance decides who eats but then you go whine about what a hard job you got? Fuck you Lilly. Maybe people hate you because you suck at your job. I didn't even think about her rigging a lottery. If you tell Mark that Larry thinks you're dangerous, he says he wouldn't be surprised if Lilly was skimming food to give to Larry. (And he would know, the man is a huge gossip.) Maybe the lottery was how she was doing it.

My experience with Lilly was the opposite of yours. On my first playthrough I was pretty sympathetic towards her, even though I didn't always agree with her. Kenny's reaction to me not helping him kill Larry really put me off him for a while. I (just barely) let her back in the R.V. after what she did, reasoning Lee got a second chance, maybe she deserved one. And in the ends she steals the R.V. and strands six people to die. (Like she knew or cared if the train worked.) Not even looking the least bit sorry as she did so.

On subsequent playthroughs I've just found myself hating her more and more and at this point I'd say she's the character I hate most (barring outright villains like the St. Johns). Even though I said I pitied her in my last post in this thread, playing the game again has mostly eroded that and I really just think she was a shitty person at heart. Yeah her father is a useless asshole and his shitty parenting is probably responsible for a lot of Lilly's problems, but she's a fucking grown woman and she keeps insisting she's the damn leader. Well fucking lead already!

Being leader means taking responsibility, as in something goes wrong you're responsible. Lilly never takes responsibility for anything. From her father treating everyone like shit ("It's just his way!"), to running out of food ("Suddenly I'm a god damn nazi!"), to having no fucking plans on how to deal with bandits or dwindling supplies ("I just want a week where I don't have to deal with this!") Step up or step aside. It really shows she was just a paper pusher at the Airforce, she governs like an incompetent bureaucrat.

She's not even sorry for shooting Carley or Doug. Either Carley wasn't trustworthy (She was!) or it wasn't supposed to be Doug (Sorry he interrupted your surprise execution!) Either way she doesn’t really care. She only regrets it because it caused the whole group to turn on her, which she of course complains about ("I'm tied up like animal!") and then strands everyone because she knows they won't help her anymore.

Carley was right to called her a scared little girl. If anything she was being too nice, I’d call Lilly a dirty coward. She wants to be in charge so she can justify sending people out to do the dangerous work while she sits around somewhere safe. It’s probably why she’s so against leaving the Motor Inn or the Pharmacy initially, she might actually have to put herself at risk. Also probably why Ben is on watch in Episode 3, there’s actually people shooting back now. The only real time she attacks anyone is when their back is turned or she’s far enough away to not suffer a counter attack.

Maybe if she had any backbone she could have worked up the nerve to tell her asshole father to sit down and shut up in the meat locker before he gave himself another heart attack, like he had already did once before. Instead she just keeps meekly pleading with him in her most pathetic voice. Gotta love the one time she doesn’t switch to mega bitch mode is the one time it may have actually helped.

Anyways, enough about Lilly. I actually did feel sorry for the Stranger. Maybe because I was pretty much certain he was coming back for his station wagon. I mean the keys are in the ignition and the lights are still on, which means it couldn’t have been there for more than one night since that would run the batteries down. And the gas gauge is empty, they were out looking for gas probably.

He reminded me a lot of Jolene (whom I also felt bad for). Someone who was probably just a regular person before everything went bad and lost their fucking mind when all their loved ones died since it left them completely alone. I felt it really demonstrated just what such a horrible world would do to regular people, and how desperate it would make them.

You’re right about the Stranger being a hypocrite though. His whole rant against Lee is just him projecting his own failures onto Lee. Trying to rationalize his family’s deaths as someone else’s fault since he won’t accept responsibility for it, as if Lee and his group would be the only people who would ever wrong him. Grasping at straws to try and make Lee unsuitable so he can feel justified in lying to Clementine and kidnapping her.

And yet I still felt incredibly sorry for him. Maybe because I’m a bleeding heart pansy so I keep sympathizing with him during the conversation and by the end he didn’t even sound mad anymore. He actually seemed to feel bad for Lee for a moment when I told him I was bitten. Then he started talking to his bowling bag and it was kinda obvious he was too far gone to help.

When he died I looked at his corpse for a short moment and whispered “I’m sorry”. Sorry we didn’t wait for him to come back to his car, maybe invite his family to come back to Motor Inn. Sorry he was just another person whom I couldn’t save. Sorry that we had to kill him since I couldn’t convince him to let go of his own bitter revenge. If felt tragic just because if one little thing had gone differently, he could have been another family living with our group, just trying to survive.

As for Ben, I’m pretty much on the same page as you. Could never really be angry with. He’s well meaning fuck-up, which I felt was probably a realistic depiction of a teenage band geek trapped in zombie apocalypse. Scared and clueless to what he should do. Like I said, he really needed a parental figure to guide him. Clementine had Lee to protect her and teach her, Ben was pretty much left to fend for himself.

[Robbingrobin]

And she fucking complains about how hard it is! You're letting chance decides who eats but then you go whine about what a hard job you got? Fuck you Lilly. Maybe people hate you because you suck at your job. I didn't even think about her rigging a lottery. If you tell Mark that Larry thinks you're dangerous, he says he wouldn't be surprised if Lilly was skimming food to give to Larry. (And he would know, the man is a huge gossip.) Maybe the lottery was how she was doing it.

My experience with Lilly was the opposite of yours. On my first playthrough I was pretty sympathetic towards her, even though I didn't always agree with her. Kenny's reaction to me not helping him kill Larry really put me off him for a while. I (just barely) let her back in the R.V. after what she did, reasoning Lee got a second chance, maybe she deserved one. And in the ends she steals the R.V. and strands six people to die. (Like she knew or cared if the train worked.) Not even looking the least bit sorry as she did so.

On subsequent playthroughs I've just found myself hating her more and more and at this point I'd say she's the character I hate most (barring outright villains like the St. Johns). Even though I said I pitied her in my last post in this thread, playing the game again has mostly eroded that and I really just think she was a shitty person at heart. Yeah her father is a useless asshole and his shitty parenting is probably responsible for a lot of Lilly's problems, but she's a fucking grown woman and she keeps insisting she's the damn leader. Well fucking lead already!

Being leader means taking responsibility, as in something goes wrong you're responsible. Lilly never takes responsibility for anything. From her father treating everyone like shit ("It's just his way!"), to running out of food ("Suddenly I'm a god damn nazi!"), to having no fucking plans on how to deal with bandits or dwindling supplies ("I just want a week where I don't have to deal with this!") Step up or step aside. It really shows she was just a paper pusher at the Airforce, she governs like an incompetent bureaucrat.

She's not even sorry for shooting Carley or Doug. Either Carley wasn't trustworthy (She was!) or it wasn't supposed to be Doug (Sorry he interrupted your surprise execution!) Either way she doesn’t really care. She only regrets it because it caused the whole group to turn on her, which she of course complains about ("I'm tied up like animal!") and then strands everyone because she knows they won't help her anymore.

Carley was right to called her a scared little girl. If anything she was being too nice, I’d call Lilly a dirty coward. She wants to be in charge so she can justify sending people out to do the dangerous work while she sits around somewhere safe. It’s probably why she’s so against leaving the Motor Inn or the Pharmacy initially, she might actually have to put herself at risk. Also probably why Ben is on watch in Episode 3, there’s actually people shooting back now. The only real time she attacks anyone is when their back is turned or she’s far enough away to not suffer a counter attack.

Maybe if she had any backbone she could have worked up the nerve to tell her asshole father to sit down and shut up in the meat locker before he gave himself another heart attack, like he had already did once before. Instead she just keeps meekly pleading with him in her most pathetic voice. Gotta love the one time she doesn’t switch to mega bitch mode is the one time it may have actually helped.

Anyways, enough about Lilly. I actually did feel sorry for the Stranger. Maybe because I was pretty much certain he was coming back for his station wagon. I mean the keys are in the ignition and the lights are still on, which means it couldn’t have been there for more than one night since that would run the batteries down. And the gas gauge is empty, they were out looking for gas probably.

He reminded me a lot of Jolene (whom I also felt bad for). Someone who was probably just a regular person before everything went bad and lost their fucking mind when all their loved ones died since it left them completely alone. I felt it really demonstrated just what such a horrible world would do to regular people, and how desperate it would make them.

You’re right about the Stranger being a hypocrite though. His whole rant against Lee is is just him projecting his own failures onto Lee. Trying to rationalize his family’s deaths as someone else’s fault since he won’t accept responsibility for it, as if Lee and his group would be the only people who would ever wrong him. Grasping at straws to try and make Lee unsuitable so he can feel justified into lying to Clementine and kidnapping her.

And yet I still felt incredibly sorry for him. Maybe because I’m a bleeding heart pansy so I keep sympathizing with him during the conversation and by the end he didn’t even sound mad anymore. He actually seemed to feel bad for Lee for a moment when I told him I was bitten. Then he started talking to his bowling bag and it was kinda obvious he was too far gone to help.

When he died I looked at his corpse for a short moment and whispered “I’m sorry”. Sorry we didn’t wait for him to come back to his car, maybe invite his family to come back to Motor Inn. Sorry he was just another person whom I couldn’t save. Sorry that we had to kill him since I couldn’t convince him to let go of his own bitter revenge. If felt tragic just because if one little thing had gone differently, he could have been another family living with our group, just trying to survive.

As for Ben, I’m pretty much on the same page as you. Could never really be angry with. He’s well meaning fuck-up, which I felt was probably a realistic depiction of a teenage band geek trapped in zombie apocalypse. Scared and clueless to what he should do. Like I said, he really needed a parental figure to guide him. Clementine had Lee to protect her and teach, Ben was pretty much left to fend for himself.

Whow. Sir, I understand all of your points. Especially these regarding Lilly, but somehow I just can't hate her. I just wanna be with her and hug her, having her in my group all the time, but not as Leader anymore.

I don't really hate anyone of dem characters, I never could. I was glad, they are where they. I think, the most I despise Kenny. He is just there for you, If you have been there for him, but one time you don't kill for him, he thinks really bad of you and does not even try to help you.

[CarScar]

Jaded X Gamer I agree almost completely. Every time I play the game I lose more and more respect for Lilly. Just recently I found this little quote made by Lilly:

"Then what do we not forgive?! Honestly! Tell me!"

She then MURDERS Carley in cold blood and mopes how we treated her like an "animal." It seriously infuriated me. There is some stuff I love about Lilly, other stuff I hate. The more I think about it, there's more and more stuff that I hate about her.

[double_u]

Every time I play the game I lose more and more respect for Lilly.


Same here. I had the most sympathy for her in my first playthrough, but the more I play and more I get to think about what she says and does the more critical I become.

[Demopan]

Stranger. What I can't believe is that out of all the people in the world who survived, and all the people we could run into, we get the last pedophile on earth. What are the fucking odds?

[Nuked]

Same here. I had the most sympathy for her in my first playthrough, but the more I play and more I get to think about what she says and does the more critical I become.

Well look at who raised her.

[Eric94]

The Stranger. I mainly hate him because it was his fault that Lee got bitten, Ben died (if you saved him in ep 4), Kenny is missing, and Clem is by herself. If he hadn't taken Clem, none of that would have happened.

[double_u]

Well look at who raised her.

I agree Larry is not the best father figure either. And for someone who was an Army officer, he sure doesn't know much about leadership and group dynamics.

[Nuked]

I agree Larry is not the best father figure either. And for someone who was an Army officer, he sure doesn't know much about leadership and group dynamics.

When does he say he was in the Army?

[double_u]

When does he say he was in the Army?

I'm not sure if that was even mentioned in game, but Telltale Game's character bio sheet says he was a commander in the Army.

https://www.telltalegames.com/walkingdead/cast/

[BlackBoxx]

And she fucking complains about how hard it is!...

Holy hell... You been carrying that with you this whole time? Sheesh, man. Let it out a bit sooner next time.

But seriously, that is a good analysis. I haven't read everything in this thread, so if you mentioned some of this stuff, don't mind me.

It took me a while to play a path where I sided with Lily. For a long time, she was my most disliked character. She's all "I'm in charge! Do what I say without question! Don't open the doors to help people! Nyeah!", but the second her dad almost kills himself, "Oh please, help me! I can't figure out how to open the door! He needs these pills!". Risks are bad unless they are to help her father (don't open the doors to help a group with children, but go ahead and break the door if it will help you get the keys to the office). She is already a total mess from the moment you meet her.

However... once I got around to actually taking her side, I saw that it was all Larry's doing. He pushed her to be in charge ("You've got to control these people, Lilly"). He scares people away from her. He chides her whenever she tries to stand up to him. Lilly never had a good example of how to interact with other people thanks to Larry. I actually felt sorry for her, and she seemed appreciative of my support. Even the moment when you can reveal your past to her is a vastly different experience. She actually acknowledges that her father was wrong about you ("He treated you like shit and you still tried to save his life. You don't have to apologize"), and this is even considering I told Larry to "eat up".

Without her father, she was lost, which is just sad.

As for the stranger, I do hate him. However, he's nowhere near as bad as Larry. Larry had no reason to treat Lee that way, regardless of his past, even less considering Lee risked who knows what just to get medicine for the guy. The stranger, does have a legitimate gripe, even if it's not against Lee in particular. Yes, he was stupid to leave his stuff unguarded while he searched for his son. Yes, it was risky to leave the light on and the door beeping (was it supposed to be a beacon or something?). That doesn't make theft of his stuff excusable.

He completely overreacted and his revenge was not fitting of the crime, but he was entitled to something. We took replaceable items, he took a person. Mental instability is an explanation, but not an excuse. I really wish we could have been more hostile to him during the meeting. At best we get "You f***ed up", and "Yes" when he asks if he looks like a monster. I would love to call out his hypocrisy.

[Robbingrobin]

Holy hell... You been carrying that with you this whole time? Sheesh, man. Let it out a bit sooner next time.

But seriously, that is a good analysis. I haven't read everything in this thread, so if you mentioned some of this stuff, don't mind me.

It took me a while to play a path where I sided with Lily. For a long time, she was my most disliked character. She's all "I'm in charge! Do what I say without question! Don't open the doors to help people! Nyeah!", but the second her dad almost kills himself, "Oh please, help me! I can't figure out how to open the door! He needs these pills!". Risks are bad unless they are to help her father (don't open the doors to help a group with children, but go ahead and break the door if it will help you get the keys to the office). She is already a total mess from the moment you meet her.

However... once I got around to actually taking her side, I saw that it was all Larry's doing. He pushed her to be in charge ("You've got to control these people, Lilly"). He scares people away from her. He chides her whenever she tries to stand up to him. Lilly never had a good example of how to interact with other people thanks to Larry. I actually felt sorry for her, and she seemed appreciative of my support. Even the moment when you can reveal your past to her is a vastly different experience. She actually acknowledges that her father was wrong about you ("He treated you like shit and you still tried to save his life. You don't have to apologize"), and this is even considering I told Larry to "eat up".

Without her father, she was lost, which is just sad.

As for the stranger, I do hate him. However, he's nowhere near as bad as Larry. Larry had no reason to treat Lee that way, regardless of his past, even less considering Lee risked who knows what just to get medicine for the guy. The stranger, does have a legitimate gripe, even if it's not against Lee in particular. Yes, he was stupid to leave his stuff unguarded while he searched for his son. Yes, it was risky to leave the light on and the door beeping (was it supposed to be a beacon or something?). That doesn't make theft of his stuff excusable.

He completely overreacted and his revenge was not fitting of the crime, but he was entitled to something. We took replaceable items, he took a person. Mental instability is an explanation, but not an excuse. I really wish we could have been more hostile to him during the meeting. At best we get "You f***ed up", and "Yes" when he asks if he looks like a monster. I would love to call out his hypocrisy.

To Larry:

Larry had nothing but his daughter and I can understand, that he don't wanted her to be with someone, who killed someone cold blooded. We don't know, what was to be read at the newspapers or in the TV, we don't know how bad Lee's reputation were. Maybe he thought, when Lee would snap he would kill his daughter or Larry himself, like he did with that state senator. Larry was just a father, protective and bad yeah, but I don't hate him for that and don't think anyone should do it either. But thats of course, your thing.

The stranger lost his whole family in a few days, mostly because a few people came and took all their supplies, just finding his (presumably dead, even if it comes to mind he killed themselve in anger) wife and his daughter, from whom he thought earn their trust back. But that all was gone, when the stuff was taken.
He is just a more extreme, more fucked up version of Kenny. I can understand, what driven him. But I liked to strangle him to death for taking Clem and killing Kenny and Ben.

[Nuked]

I'm not sure if that was even mentioned in game, but Telltale Game's character bio sheet says he was a commander in the Army.

https://www.telltalegames.com/walkingdead/cast/

Ah okay. Thanks.

[The Fallen]

I'd say during the game itself i really hated Ben after that awful 30 minutes in episode 3 followed by him leaving Clem at the start of episode 4. I took every chance to be as aggressive as possible with my thinly veiled cold hatred. (picking the "Carley didn't need to die you know" options etc) Eventually dropping him though.

With time passing and reflection though i think i was too harsh on the kid, while characters i initially had sympathy for like the stranger and Lilly given that they were clearly broken i have grown to hate on reflection (Lilly's power hunger really stings when you play the first two parts again knowing how it all plays out such as the look she gives Carley for calling Kenny "boss" )

[BlackBoxx]

To Larry:

Larry had nothing but his daughter and I can understand, that he don't wanted her to be with someone, who killed someone cold blooded. We don't know, what was to be read at the newspapers or in the TV, we don't know how bad Lee's reputation were. Maybe he thought, when Lee would snap he would kill his daughter or Larry himself, like he did with that state senator. Larry was just a father, protective and bad yeah, but I don't hate him for that and don't think anyone should do it either. But thats of course, your thing.



So what's his excuse for being such an ass to everyone else in the group?

He tells Carley to "shut the f*** up", when he leaves Lilly with just "shut up". No need for that.

Why is he so antagonizing when he thinks Duck is bitten? I understand that he wants to keep Lilly safe, but that doesn't mean you threaten a child with no evidence. After all, you can't prove he's bitten when there's no bite. Larry sure didn't see any (again, because it didn't happen). He just jumped to conclusions. Did he try to hear Kenny out? Was he willing to wait for Katjaa to finish cleaning Duck to confirm/deny the existence of a bite? No. He went straight to kill mode and wouldn't accept any other solution.

And Mark. The bit at the wall was uncalled for as well. Mark is underfed and losing strength, so Larry calls him a pansy? All for the crime of not being Larry #2, I guess.

Plenty of people have lost everything in the game. Lee lost his whole family, but he still treats people with proper respect. Kenny loses everything right in front of him, yet still manages to be a good person. Ben has no idea what happens to his family. It eats away at him the whole time. And guess what? He still tries to be civil and helpful (but... not exactly successful at helping).

If Larry only did these things to Lee, I'd be more understanding, but that's just not it. He's an ass. Period. He'll find any excuse to justify his behavior. Lee just had the most convenient one.

Now that I think about it, Larry is a lot like the stranger. They both twist the facts to blame Lee for things beyond his control while acting like they do nothing wrong. Not once does either of them apologize for their actions.

I'm not saying Larry's behavior is incomprehensible. I'm saying it's inexcusable. There is no just cause for it at any point beyond realizing Lee is a convict. Even then, he only acted after Lee risked his own life to get pills so Larry could live after getting himself so worked up he had a heart attack. Good people weigh all the facts. Asses weigh only the ones they want to use.

Good on you that you can forgive such actions. I can't, and won't ever tolerate people like Larry.

[Koi]

And yet I still felt incredibly sorry for him. Maybe because I’m a bleeding heart pansy so I keep sympathizing with him during the conversation and by the end he didn’t even sound mad anymore. He actually seemed to feel bad for Lee for a moment when I told him I was bitten. Then he started talking to his bowling bag and it was kinda obvious he was too far gone to help.

etc.

Definitely. I see where you're coming from about him and Jolene - I'd go insane too, if I lost everything and everyone in such a short span of time.

But I don't know, he just seemed off to me. With Jolene, you could really tell how hurt she was about losing her daughter and how much she had meant to her; there was no doubt about it. But with the stranger, he just didn't sound all that concerned about his children. He talked constantly about his wife's feelings, and how he hurt HER so bad by losing the poor kid in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. I mean, it's nice that he loves his wife and all, but there wasn't a single "I miss my boy" or anything, or how his children might have felt throughout the whole mess - it's like the only reason he felt bad about losing his son was because it upset Tess, and when he talked to her head in the bag, it's like he just wanted Clementine to replace Lizzy for her, because she loved the kids.

Buut I digress. :p All my Lilly hate is resurfacing in this thread now, lol. Everything in your post more or less sums up what I thought of her during my first playthrough. Her attitude can be justified if she was actually a good leader, but half the time she's just as clueless as anyone (if not more), yet she's barking orders left and right like she owns the place. And the part I really can't stand is why people seemed to listen to her. She didn't do anything except stir up drama.

I mean, yes, it was useful to know someone had been stealing supplies, but she was really blowing the whole situation out of proportion (no, Lilly, stealing supplies is not the same as cutting your throat while you sleep. Shooting someone's brains out might be, since death is more or less instantaneous). Throwing accusations based on nothing like that wouldn't have helped anyone, and for god's sake, no matter who it was they really didn't deserve an execution.

It was nice when Carley finally stood up to her, since no one else seemed to be able to tell her to just shut up and sit down; I also thought she was being waay too kind with the "scared little girl" comment. Granted, she did get shot in the face before she could say any more (and wow, talk about a fucking overreaction), but someone really needed to tell her to stop being a bitch and help out more.

[J_Scheff]

1) You're an idiot.

2) Give Larry a break. He has the right to be paranoid over something like that. Its a zombie apocalypse!

3) "Lilly was always looking out for herself and Larry" That's false. Yes, she took Larry's side in most of the arguments, but that's only because he's her father! When it came down to it, Lilly cared about the group, and was willing to do anything to protect them. Even if it meant killing potential threats like Carley.

4) Campman had his reasons to kidnap Clem.. He thought he was doing the right thing. It's not like he stole her for shits and giggles. You really need to look at both sides of the story before calling people out on this shit.

You my friend are the idiot. How can you defend people who did what these guys did. Punching Lee in the face and saying "your not coming with us" just because he didnt like or trust Lee is not something to ok to do in a ZA.

Lilly murdered Doug/Carley for a crime they did not commit. How can this be justified?

Campman Kidnapped Clem. How can you justify manipulating a 9 year old girl into trusting you, then stealing her, and threatening to kill her guardian (Lee).

When the world goes to hell, that doesnt give you an excuse to behave in evil or sadistic ways even if they do have somewhat valid reasons.

[Nuked]

So what's his excuse for being such an ass to everyone else in the group?

He tells Carley to "shut the f*** up", when he leaves Lilly with just "shut up". No need for that.

Why is he so antagonizing when he thinks Duck is bitten? I understand that he wants to keep Lilly safe, but that doesn't mean you threaten a child with no evidence. After all, you can't prove he's bitten when there's no bite. Larry sure didn't see any (again, because it didn't happen). He just jumped to conclusions. Did he try to hear Kenny out? Was he willing to wait for Katjaa to finish cleaning Duck to confirm/deny the existence of a bite? No. He went straight to kill mode and wouldn't accept any other solution.

And Mark. The bit at the wall was uncalled for as well. Mark is underfed and losing strength, so Larry calls him a pansy? All for the crime of not being Larry #2, I guess.

Plenty of people have lost everything in the game. Lee lost his whole family, but he still treats people with proper respect. Kenny loses everything right in front of him, yet still manages to be a good person. Ben has no idea what happens to his family. It eats away at him the whole time. And guess what? He still tries to be civil and helpful (but... not exactly successful at helping).

If Larry only did these things to Lee, I'd be more understanding, but that's just not it. He's an ass. Period. He'll find any excuse to justify his behavior. Lee just had the most convenient one.

Now that I think about it, Larry is a lot like the stranger. They both twist the facts to blame Lee for things beyond his control while acting like they do nothing wrong. Not once does either of them apologize for their actions.

I'm not saying Larry's behavior is incomprehensible. I'm saying it's inexcusable. There is no just cause for it at any point beyond realizing Lee is a convict. Even then, he only acted after Lee risked his own life to get pills so Larry could live after getting himself so worked up he had a heart attack. Good people weigh all the facts. Asses weigh only the ones they want to use.

Good on you that you can forgive such actions. I can't, and won't ever tolerate people like Larry.

Larry is everything that can possibly be wrong with a person.

[Robbingrobin]

You my friend are the idiot. How can you defend people who did what these guys did. Punching Lee in the face and saying "your not coming with us" just because he didnt like or trust Lee is not something to ok to do in a ZA.

Lilly murdered Doug/Carley for a crime they did not commit. How can this be justified?

Campman Kidnapped Clem. How can you justify manipulating a 9 year old girl into trusting you, then stealing her, and threatening to kill her guardian (Lee).

When the world goes to hell, that doesnt give you an excuse to behave in evil or sadistic ways even if they do have somewhat valid reasons.

Larry was looking out for his daughter, Lee was a convicted killer, he could kill one or maybe even all of them, while they are sleeping or in rage. Better safe than sorry, I'd say. Killing someone in the zombie apocalypse may safe your life, especially if you don't trust them.

The same counts for Carley. If Carley did it, she would be a real danger to the group and untrustworthy. Lilly was raised by her dead, so she probably follows the same philosophy. Better safe than sorry. Don't misunderstand me, I liked both characters very much and killing Carley was brutal and merciless, but she somewhat brought it up to herself by insulting Lills.

Campman was sick in the head. The loss of daughter, wife and son made him crazy and he thought, he would be the good man, by removing a threat to anyone who could meet it. Lee. In normal times, he would probably got in a insitution for mentally disabled, but something like this doesn't exist anymore in TWD.

[The Fallen]

Larry was looking out for his daughter, Lee was a convicted killer, he could kill one or maybe even all of them, while they are sleeping or in rage. Better safe than sorry, I'd say. Killing someone in the zombie apocalypse may safe your life, especially if you don't trust them.

The same counts for Carley. If Carley did it, she would be a real danger to the group and untrustworthy. Lilly was raised by her dead, so she probably follows the same philosophy. Better safe than sorry. Don't misunderstand me, I liked both characters very much and killing Carley was brutal and merciless, but she somewhat brought it up to herself by insulting Lills.

Campman was sick in the head. The loss of daughter, wife and son made him crazy and he thought, he would be the good man, by removing a threat to anyone who could meet it. Lee. In normal times, he would probably got in a insitution for mentally disabled, but something like this doesn't exist anymore in TWD.

Rubbish, sorry. While do a agree you need trust. The issue is there not even close to enough evidence to say they were untrustworthy.

Lee may have killed in the past but literally minutes beforehand risked his life to save Glenn and the girl, then again to get Larry the pills, and if the best reason Lilly had not to trust Carley was that she hurt here feeling (no evidence that she traded with the bandits at all) well then... that the most ridiculous of all. A group of people living together are going to argue.

They were prepared to kill based on very little. There's no place for people you cant trust but there's no place for paranoia either. They were attempting to kill (successfully in Lilly's case) people who were helping them for flimsy reasons.

[Village boy]

Brie ,and Vernon.
I was enjoed, when I smashed her head in ep 5, when she turns.

[Robbingrobin]

Rubbish, sorry. While do a agree you need trust. The issue is there not even close to enough evidence to say they were untrustworthy.

Lee may have killed in the past but literally minutes beforehand risked his life to save Glenn and the girl, then again to get Larry the pills, and if the best reason Lilly had not to trust Carley was that she hurt here feeling (no evidence that she traded with the bandits at all) well then... that the most ridiculous of all. A group of people living together are going to argue.

They were prepared to kill based on very little. There's no place for people you cant trust but there's no place for paranoia either. They were attempting to kill (successfully in Lilly's case) people who were helping them for flimsy reasons.

Still, better safe than sorry.

[montesinos7]

Lily

[Zhijn]

Dont hate anyone per say, i think they all added quite abit to the story.

Altho Lily and Ben do make it easy. Lily's crazy banter, then pops carly/doug was just one giant "WTF". And Ben, omg - "kid" or not, he screws up way to often which result in someone being killed. I still saved him tho, meh.

Why Kenny felt he had to sacrifice himself saving Ben i have no frickin idea. Sloppy scene. I mean Kenny just said not 5 min earlier in the room with the suicide couple "you stick out". And then pops his last round into Ben and get himself chewed up. Wtf was that!.

[The Fallen]

Still, better safe than sorry.

Not for them judging by how it worked out.

Nobody knows if Larry was dead anyway, but but myself and Kenny would have been far more likely to help us if he hadn't have acted that way he did at the pharmacy. While Lilly would not have been left at the side of the road alone.

[RustyRifle11]

Vernon, HANDS down! Cancer crackpot should have died of Chemo! Double timing back stabbing fool! After you devise the plan to infiltrate Crawford (dangerous sounding enough). Sure he pulled his weight with Brie, and knowing the tunnels! Don't give him no right to steal the boat and basically all motivation of the group! I hope his boat sinks!

[Riadon]

Vernon, HANDS down! Cancer crackpot should have died of Chemo! Double timing back stabbing fool! After you devise the plan to infiltrate Crawford (dangerous sounding enough). Sure he pulled his weight with Brie, and knowing the tunnels! Don't give him no right to steal the boat and basically all motivation of the group! I hope his boat sinks!

Hopefully we meet his group in season 2. I'd like a little payback.

[RustyRifle11]

Hopefully we meet his group in season 2. I'd like a little payback.

Hell yah! I remember there being another female in their group! I will brutally kill that old dying dirt bag just for being associated with Vernon, even though she really didnt have a choice since she was very ill and dying from cancer, but Fk it!

:cool:

[AnekiGX]

Larry and Kenny.

Larry was that cranky old guy nobody (except for Lilly) can stand and Kenny is just horrible.

[AnnaSan]

The Stranger.
I don't really hate him, more like feel sorry for him.
He blames me for all the bad things that has happened to him and his family when it's just him to blame.
It's his fault for leaving a car full of supplies in the woods with no one to watch it.
It's the freaking apocalypse, people get hungry and I don't think anyone would just pass by that and not take anything.
He also over-exaggerates all my mistakes like I'm a monster, because of him kidnapping Clem, Lee got bit =.=

[AnekiGX]

The Stranger.
I don't really hate him, more like feel sorry for him.
He blames me for all the bad things that has happened to him and his family when it's just him to blame.
It's his fault for leaving a car full of supplies in the woods with no one to watch it.
It's the freaking apocalypse, people get hungry and I don't think anyone would just pass by that and not take anything.
He also over-exaggerates all my mistakes like I'm a monster, because of him kidnapping Clem, Lee got bit =.=

Unfortunately he has already lost his mind... so reasoning is beyond him. Besides, he's looking for a scapegoat to pin all his pain to so he can feel better... and that scapegoat is Lee. :(

[Robbingrobin]

Not for them judging by how it worked out.

Nobody knows if Larry was dead anyway, but but myself and Kenny would have been far more likely to help us if he hadn't have acted that way he did at the pharmacy. While Lilly would not have been left at the side of the road alone.

Kenny would have killed Larry in the Locker, no matter what, even If he would be a badass cookie baking grandma. The heart attack bashed him out and he appeared dead, and Kenny tried to protect his family.

Lilly was desillusional. She knew, the group was gonna hate them and tried to bring the argument with Lee's path to weight. My Lee would have forgiven her, I liked her, but Kenny's relationship with her was pretty fucked and so everyone elses, I guess, so they were not able to take her anymore. I don't judge them for that.

[zev_zev]

Hopefully we meet his group in season 2. I'd like a little payback.

Season 2:
Vernon: Hey... Clementine right? How are you?
Clementine: Bad enought.
Vernon: Look, I sorry about...
*Clementine making shoot his balls*

[anonymau5]

Season 2:
Vernon: Hey... Clementine right? How are you?
Clementine: Bad enought.
Vernon: Look, I sorry about...
*Clementine making shoot his balls*

Clementine didn't know what Vernon did.

[zev_zev]

Clementine didn't know what Vernon did.

I know. It was joke.

[ZeroShoot]

I know. It was joke.

good one though

[BenIsKindaCool]

Campman,Larry,Danny and Bandits.
Fucking dipshits,that's who they all are.

I didn't list Lilly cause she actually seemed very sweet under her skin..Whatever that means :)

[zev_zev]

I didn't list Lilly cause she actually seemed very sweet under her skin..Whatever that means :)
My feels to her are the same as yours

[The Fallen]

Kenny would have killed Larry in the Locker, no matter what, even If he would be a badass cookie baking grandma. The heart attack bashed him out and he appeared dead, and Kenny tried to protect his family.

Lilly was desillusional. She knew, the group was gonna hate them and tried to bring the argument with Lee's path to weight. My Lee would have forgiven her, I liked her, but Kenny's relationship with her was pretty fucked and so everyone elses, I guess, so they were not able to take her anymore. I don't judge them for that.

The fact they their attitude turns the whole group against them (the only person who can leap to their defense is you) and they end up either dead or alone, so a bit of empathy can be a good survival tactic.

Kenny may well have killed Larry anyway but i think its a bit foolish to think his attitude towards killing Duck didn't influence that, or at least make it easier.

As for Lilly well her relationship with the group wasn't irreparable until she murdered Carley. I remember asking everyone about her at the start of Episode 3. Carley says she's worried about her, Kenny says that although they disagree he doesn't distrust her, etc. What she did on the road was unforgivable.

As for her increasing madness, well its not that out of character. She wanted to leave Lee, Kenny, Katjaa and Duck to die outside the drug store, then Ben in episode 2, along with a visible power craving (again look at her face when Carley calls Kenny "boss", or when anyone disagrees with her). Killing Carley wasn't all that out of character, the signs of what she would become were there. Larrys death is hardly an excuse anyway, everyone's lost people by that stage.

[Jaded X Gamer]

She wanted to leave Lee, Kenny, Katjaa and Duck to die outside the drug store, then Ben in episode 2, along with a visible power craving (again look at her face when Carley calls Kenny "boss", or when anyone disagrees with her).


http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k589/BrainBoxLtd/Lillypissedoff_zps419426aa.jpg


I swear, she was still holding a grudge against Carley for "disobeying" her in Episode 1, even though the people she and Glenn saved ended up being invaluable and one of them got the pills she needed for her dad.

[The Fallen]

I swear, she was still holding a grudge against Carley for "disobeying" her in Episode 1, even though the people she and Glenn saved ended up being invaluable and one of them got the pills she needed for her dad.

I didn't pick up on it so much in the first time playing the game, but in hindsight i do think she cared more about her own authority than the fate of the group.

[Robbingrobin]

http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k589/BrainBoxLtd/Lillypissedoff_zps419426aa.jpg


I swear, she was still holding a grudge against Carley for "disobeying" her in Episode 1, even though the people she and Glenn saved ended up being invaluable and one of them got the pills she needed for her dad.

Lilly is just a godamn human.

[zev_zev]

Lilly is just a godamn human.

Yes, leave her alone, she just wanted to survive...and became a little mad. She reminds me a little of Cersei Lannister (Game of Thrones).
If she will return to game (hope so), I would't let her to become a leader again. Bacause as Carley said: She just a scared little girl, who wanted to looks powerful. (or something like that)
P.S. I agree with others, Lilly always hated Carley.

[UndeadDollface]

Without a doubt I hated Campman the most.

Not because he was a bad guy, but because he was a bad bad guy. His whole character was just weird and unconvincing. The forced events that makes him blame/hate you, the way he was able to sneak around with such ease to stalk your group, the hotel he was staying that was 100% free of zombies, talking to his wife's zombie head so he comes off as extra crazy, etc. Everything about him was so tailored to be the dragon at the end of the maze. I felt zero sympathy for him and my eyes nearly rolled out of their sockets by the time he finished his sob story. He wasn't a monster or a tragic figure, he was just a plot device.

[kevinStark]

I hate the Stranger (Campman), Without him you ware gone one a boat with kenny, and clam!

[Riadon]

I hate the Stranger (Campman), Without him you ware gone one a boat with kenny, and clam!

Who the fuck is clam?

[gimmeseason2]

I hate 3 people in this game

Lilly - she killed Carley D:
Larry - racist asshole ;)
Stranger - Got Ken and Lee killed and caused Clem to go wandering on her own

[thestalkinghead]

i think overall i most dislike Vernon, he got to know our group and i was nothing but civil towards him and after all that he steals what at the time was potentially our only lifeline and he even thought at the time he was stealing from Clementine, and even though the particular boat he stole wasn't really much better than a car it was more the principle of stealing and the willingness to beat people to steal it.

i feel an obsession coming over me and i would like to follow him and kill him, but first i will tell him how everything he did was wrong and get him to explain himself at gunpoint

[Sutinen]

Carley. Biaaaaatch!

[Mornai]

i feel an obsession coming over me and i would like to follow him and kill him, but first i will tell him how everything he did was wrong and get him to explain himself at gunpoint

Whoa there, you're starting to sound like the stranger. We mustn't become what we go against. "Despite how i may feel, i can't let vengeance be a thing".....

...ah stuff all that, off with their heads! :mad:

Seeing that empty shed and the note that Vernon stole it really hammered it in for me that we were simply screwed. There was no hope for anyone anywhere, the people we think we can trust stab us in the back, anyone can fall at anytime no matter their strength. At that moment i just had the feeling of giving up.

Damn you Vernon.

[thestalkinghead]

Whoa there, you're starting to sound like the stranger. We mustn't become what we go against. "Despite how i may feel, i can't let vengeance be a thing".....

...ah stuff all that, off with their heads! :mad:

Seeing that empty shed and the note that Vernon stole it really hammered it in for me that we were simply screwed. There was no hope for anyone anywhere, the people we think we can trust stab us in the back, anyone can fall at anytime no matter their strength. At that moment i just had the feeling of giving up.

Damn you Vernon.

i was joking really, but what Vernon did does in a way put you in a similar position to the stranger, as in somebody stole your only hope of survival

[PinkxAngel]

Ben, it just pisses me off that Carley died because he is a such a coward and couldn't stand up to what he did and he also caused duck and katja's death when he is a lame character in comparison. Still really gutted about Carley as well. She should have been in the last episode instead of Ben!

I even prefer Larry to him and I don't hate Lily because she was in a dark place after her dads death but she got left on the road side as pay back anyways :)

[Rock114]

Whoa there, you're starting to sound like the stranger. We mustn't become what we go against. "Despite how i may feel, i can't let vengeance be a thing".....

...ah stuff all that, off with their heads! :mad:

Seeing that empty shed and the note that Vernon stole it really hammered it in for me that we were simply screwed. There was no hope for anyone anywhere, the people we think we can trust stab us in the back, anyone can fall at anytime no matter their strength. At that moment i just had the feeling of giving up.

Damn you Vernon.

I wasn't shocked that someone stole the boat, although I am surprised it was Vernon. I can't believe I actually trusted them. Since Lee was bitten, I was actually kind of apathetic about the whole affair though. "I won't be around much longer anyhow. I'm sure the others will get to someplace safe after we find Clem, boat or no boat." But, thats not how it worked out of course.

They got Kenny and Ben (if he's alive by that point) killed, no question. Hell, Christa and Omid might have died on the way out of the city too. I would have told everyone to stay and guard the boat, while going to save Clem on my own. Then Kenny, Clem, Christa, and Omid (Ben was dead in my game) could have taken the boat to somewhere better. I really hope Vernon finds out just how much pain he caused the group by doing what he did.