The speculation Thread!

[guybrushguy]

it had to come up at some time, so i decided to do it myself. this thread is for the speculation of their new game announcement. as said in an interview (http://www.totalvideogames.com/pages/articles/index.php?article_id=6651&page=1 ) it wont be sam and max, hopefully thats further down the line.
I'm guessing it's bone the comic book character. any hints troy, Brendan and Kevin?

[Brendan]

No, I can't wait to find out myself! I don't really hear what's going on while I'm in my closet. It's kind of hard to hear through the door. If I only had some cup to listen with...

[tyraarane]

Have you tried a strategic trip that would land your ear right next to the air vent? Works wonders.

[guybrushguy]

also, try filling a ziplock bag full of watter and listen threw the door with that. sound magnifies 10 time louder threw watter. or even better, get a fish tank full of fish and attach it to the door. the fish can then listen all the time and tell you whats happening.

[jp-30]

I'm slightly leaning towards Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (what with the new movie in production), though chances are that the community page here at Telltale will give a clue (Grickle, Bone, Max Hamm).

Here's what we know.

It's not Sam & Max (though a future Telltale game may be S&M2 if they can negotiate the rights from Steve Purcell).

It's almost certainly not anything that LucasArts holds the rights to (Monkey Island, Maniac mansion, Grim Fandango)

"If you've enjoyed any of the products we've helped create in the past, you're sure to love this one"

"we can tell you it's something many of you already know and love"

[guybrushguy]

I GOT IT!

it's toast, i'm sure they made toast in the past, and everyone loves toast!

[Brendan]

...and everyone loves toast!

Never have I read a truer or more poignant quote.

[jp-30]

Furthermore...

"Telltale's only a part of the exciting things that are brewing around it (the license)"

This mysterious character may or may not have something to do with it;

http://www.telltalegames.com/images/shhhhhhh.jpg

[guybrushguy]

super grover with out his cape ?
gumbie got in a car accident?
jimmy the hideous penguin boy?
some random blob taken of a goggle search page?
some things will always remain a mystery.

[mikaljan]

:(( What? Not Sam & Max?!

I thought the license of Sam & Max was expiring soon with Lucas...

[jp-30]

May 2005 - Telltale have something else in store first! :D

"Ok, we can't actually announce anything... yet. We can; however, give you a hint - some of you are right! "

[OftenK]

...and everyone loves toast!

Never have I read a truer or more poignant quote.

Oh man, I hate toast so much!

No, wait. I'm thinking of Nazis. I like toast. The words are so similar, you can see how I could get confused.

[guybrushguy]

:(( What? Not Sam & Max?!

I thought the license of Sam & Max was expiring soon with Lucas...


it expires in march or may of 2005, i don't remember exactly. patience my friend, I'm sure in the future there will be a new Sam and max. I'm positive telltale is going to come up with something great in the meantime.

[mikaljan]

http://web.green.ch/pauer/moab/telltaled/images/groupshot_dank.jpg

Seems like that'll be their first game!

[mikaljan]

I GOT IT!

it's toast, i'm sure they made toast in the past, and everyone loves toast!

Who .. perhaps what is toast??? :-/ :-/

[misanthrope]

First of all... Dude.

Second of all, Toast
Pronunciation: 'tOst
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English tosten, from Middle French toster, from Late Latin tostare to roast, from Latin tostus, past participle of torrEre to dry, parch

[mikaljan]

First of all... Dude.

Second of all, Toast
Pronunciation: 'tOst
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English tosten, from Middle French toster, from Late Latin tostare to roast, from Latin tostus, past participle of torrEre to dry, parch

I know what it means but what is it? A game from the past?

[guybrushguy]

nope, it's toast, the literal meaning of toast.

"If you've enjoyed any of the products we've helped create in the past, you're sure to love this one"

they have made toast (the product)in the past

"we can tell you it's something many of you already know and love"

everyone loves toast.

hope this fixes your confusion. :D

[Burn]

Furthermore...

"Telltale's only a part of the exciting things that are brewing around it (the license)"

This mysterious character may or may not have something to do with it;

http://www.telltalegames.com/images/shhhhhhh.jpg


I Think This is the answer
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,258944,00.jpg

[mikaljan]

nope, it's toast, the literal meaning of toast.
they have made toast before by putting bread in a toaster.
and they know we will enjoy it because everyone loves eating toast. hope this fixes your confusion. :D

[:">] [:">] [:">] Oh geez, yep you fixed it... Perhaps I miss classic games too much.... [:-&] [:-&]

[guybrushguy]

we all do, we all do..... :((

[Chepito]

It's timmy from Monkey Island....

[guybrushguy]

i would like to see an adventure about wally from MI, that would be really cool.

[Nappi]

Uuuuh... "Within the coming weeks." Cant wait!

I'm still guessing the bone guy.. :p

[HeKeZu]

http://web.green.ch/pauer/moab/telltaled/images/groupshot_dank.jpg

Seems like that'll be their first game!

Or just a character from it :p . It doesn't have to be the main character. Now when I mentioned it, I think he is the villain. He looks sooo mean with his "stick". :(

Oh.. and good job with the Forum! (my 1st post)

[DFKT]

http://www.telltalegames.com/images/shhhhhhh.jpg
This, without doubt, must be Max - bereft of his ears, and stretched a little in the vertical axis...
Notice the gestus of his hand, the cute little fella always waved 'Hi' straight into the camera...

At least, I WISH it would be Max. :]

[HieroHero]

well i got no idea..so im just gonna list licenses that would be kool for an adventure game

rocko(rockos modern life)
eek the cat
the tick!

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

http://www.telltalegames.com/images/shhhhhhh.jpg
This, without doubt, must be Max - bereft of his ears, and stretched a little in the vertical axis...
Notice the gestus of his hand, the cute little fella always waved 'Hi' straight into the camera...

At least, I WISH it would be Max. :]

i agree with Dfkt

http://alts.homelinux.net/shots/49-0.jpg
it remembers me of this pic a litle bit

[Jaurn]

A bit off topic, this... but, It's a rather simple question. Since at least a couple of you seem to be using Linux, i just wondered if this is an OS you can install and still have Windows, and being able to choose between those two at startup, or if you have to uninstall the whole Windows thing?
Glad if somebody could answer, although it's a bit out of bounds in this forum.

[hook]

You can have a dual-boot system with Linux and another OS (win*, mac os, amiga os ...) on the same system. On most modern Linux distibutions it's pretty straightforward to enable this feature (in most cases just a matter of clicking on the "yes, i would also like to use my windows install" button ;)

I suggest we get back on topic :]

[tac13]

It's timmy from Monkey Island....

Hello, I'm 24 and live to Marseille, France...

I think so and I hope!

There's a secret web page on telltale's site where the team is posing with a monkey... It will be a provocation if the licence is not monkey island...

Sorry for my english ;)

I wish we could find a new monkey island annoucement in few weeks....

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

dont think a new monkey island,would be great
but i hope its a new Sam and Max

[treintje]

Personally, I'd love to see the real Monkey Island 3 in which the secret is finally revealed. I guess they could team up with Ron Gilbert to make the intended sequel of the 1990 and 1992 adventures.

Anyhow, any adventure in the former Lucasarts style would be really great, but Monkey Island is the thing I would love to play the most.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

monkey island 3 was great

i think they will call it MI5

[Brushguy]

Hi, I'm new here. ;)

Let me clear up this speculation about the game being Sam and Max. Although all clues and indications seem to point to it (especially the shadow and the "some of you are right" e-mail), Telltale Games said in an interview with the Marin Independent Journal that their first game (the game in question) will NOT be Sam and Max 2. However, they said they would very much like to make it in the near future. So it's a safe bet that when Lucasarts loses their rights to S&M in May 2005, Telltale could contact Steve Purcell and make the game.

So this game is not Sam and Max 2, but one of their future games, as they said they would like to have, will be Sam and Max. So they will make Sam and Max someday, but this game probably isn't it.

My personal bet on what the game is? I'd like it to be Monkey Island 5. The shadow shown could be a monkey...however, it could be anything, because that's a pretty generic-shaped shadow...

[dpolsrod]

The shadow shown could be a monkey...however, it could be anything, because that's a pretty generic-shaped shadow...

Some things point towards there beeing a monkey in the game...
There's this on the Secret Page (http://www.telltalegames.com/secret.jsp):
http://www.telltalegames.com/images/team.jpg

Notice the monkey in the middle of the picture?

But then again, the shadow of the "waving" guy looks to me like the Bone character...

[Chepito]

If it is that little caveman.....then where does it fit into the license they purchased from LucasArts?

[dpolsrod]

Perhaps LucasArts had PLANNED to make a game based on that character, but decided not to, since "there was no market for adventure games" X-( [-X

But then TellTale bought the license from LA.

But they(TellTale) also said that it would be something we already knew and loved...

I'm stumped... :-?

If it IS Monkey Island 5, maybe he's just a new character...

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

I think Monkey Island 5 would be a bad idea. I think that 3 and 4 had so many plotholes that to try to continue the series would be disatrous.

[bysmitty]

Personally, I'm praying for Forever Worlds 2!

[DFKT]

monkey island 3 was great

i think they will call it MI5

Her Majesty's Secret Service wouldn't be delighted about that name... Can you copyright a government institution's name?

[Udvarnoky]

Who's to say that the license is a LucasArts one? Also, it's possible that the caveman dude is part of one of Telltale's "smaller games," which they said would be churned out every now and then.

[scaryrobot]

Perhaps we should be looking at this from other angles ... for instance, I believe Maniac Mansion and DOTT were licensed games (based around the film of the same name) and afaik the rights to use the name aren't owned by LucasArts anymore... but there is very little information about this. Who knows?

[Udvarnoky]

If they don't own the license, then what are they doing selling The Adventure Collection (http://www.lucasarts.com/companystore/adventure/), which contains MM/DOTT? Unless maybe there's some sort of agreement which would allow LucasArts to continue to make a profit off the games or something. It's still all speculation. I'd personally love a Maniac Mansion 3 though.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

I just hope it's S&M 2

[Udvarnoky]

Telltale already said it's not Sam & Max 2.

Hey, scaryrobot, where do you get that Maniac Mansion was based on a movie?

[SCUMM_master]

As far as I know, Maniac Mansion is not based on a movie, but is an original idea from Ron Gilbert.
However, I think that there was a sitcom named Maniac Mansion which was loosely based on the game that was filmed during the 90's.

It means that Maniac mansion's rights probably belong to Lucasarts. IMHO, a third MM is not impossible, but I think Monkey Island has a bigger probability...

[TheJack]

Furthermore...

"Telltale's only a part of the exciting things that are brewing around it (the license)"

This mysterious character may or may not have something to do with it;

http://www.telltalegames.com/images/shhhhhhh.jpg

Mh, this little guy looks like the one that visited me last night and did some strange experiments to me...hey telltale, this a real strange way of promotion! B-)

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

maybe its a game only About MAX :D

[TheJack]

Mh....could be.
Maybe "Max - Revisited"
or "Being Max" or "Diaries of Max"
or "Max - A tragedy about loosing ears"
:D

[guybrushguy]

if anyone got the newsletter that was sent to your email and read it, it gave it hint saying
"some or you are right!"
so it's somthing already said, i realy dont think it's a LA based game. they said if you liked there games in the past you will definalty like this one, yes im sure that true but i dont think there talking about a certin game their probibly talking about the style of the games they have made and they know we will like it.

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

Maybe they've bought the rights to the SCUMM system, just a thought.

[Chepito]

AHHHHH......Maybe it's one of the "Little Glottis's" from GF?
http://img9.exs.cx/img9/9384/rar1.jpg

[schuster]

I'm sure it's just wishful thinking but have the guys at telltale actually said it's not sam and max or have they only said that they'd like to do a sam and max game. I know that Steve Purcell was extremely dissapointed about the cancelation and in one article I read, the LA PR dept didn't return phone calls on the subject. Is it possible that LA allowed Purcell to also liscense sam and max to telltale? And besides, what other game would they need to keep a secret, especially if it's not a lucas arts liscense. I think that with all the other adventure liscenses, both companies would want to get the news of the game out as soon as possible. LA games are the only games that would actually have a build-up of demand. That all having been said, I'm sure this is all wishful thinking.

[jp-30]

Thre is no WAY this game is based on a license owned by LucasArts (Maniac Mansion, Monkley Island, Full Throttle, Grim Fandango etc).

In an intervioew Telltale made it clear they're not on speaking terms with LucasArts.

[Udvarnoky]

In an intervioew Telltale made it clear they're not on speaking terms with LucasArts.

Which really sucks, because that pretty much indicates that they won't be able to gain ownership of the resources to Freelance Police. And if they are able to make a successful negotiation with Purcell next year and DO make all of our dreams come true by developing a Sam & Max game, it will have to be started from scratch and will not be the nearly completed masterpiece.

Of course it was a masterpiece.

[OniLukos]

Hmmm...it would appear that the name of that caveman guy is Dank. It says so in the name of the filename of that blinky guy in the corner.

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

AHHHHH......Maybe it's one of the "Little Glottis's" from GF?
http://img9.exs.cx/img9/9384/rar1.jpg

What is that?

[guybrushguy]

don't tell me you have never played grim fandango!
if you haven't run out and get a copy rite away, it undoubtedly the best adventure game ever made. in my opinion and many others.

[HieroHero]

the irony is lucasarts is never gonna make another adventure game due to their supposed "market place realities" but they are gonna hold onto their licenses and the 90% completed freelance police.. so the fanbase gets screwed once again! their not gonna use the damn licenses so why wouldnt they want to make money by selling them..because they are complete idiots!

[Burn]

Grim Fandango was one of the best adventure games to be published by Lucas arts. The story line was perfect. The puzzles were grand. The backgrounds were rendered. Sure the engine was a bit buggy, but it had class.

This is the main character Manny
http://www.agresticism.org/images/furrow/2003_09_grim_fandango_manny.jpg

[OniLukos]

I really should get that game.
Can I still get a new copy? It took me a while to find a new copy of Sam & Max =/
Ah well, it was worth it =D

[Udvarnoky]

If you live in the United States, you can order it from LucasArts (http://www.lucasarts.com/companystore/grim/). You may also want to try looking through the cheap bins of various video game outlets.

[YMH]

I still think that the silhouette is probably Fone Bone, and here's why:

1) That email said some of you are right. The only guesses that I think multiple people have made are Bone and Sam & Max, and we know that it's not the latter because Telltale said so in a newspaper interview. Now, if that email said "one" of you is right, it could be any number of random things that people have come up with, but because it said "some," I'm inclined to think it's Bone. Perhaps it's circumstantial evidence and wishful thinking, but...

2) Shortly after the current Telltale site went up, I made this post at Boneville.com:

http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/jeffsmith/?read=15435

No one at Cartoon Books posted any response, even though they have since posted several other messages on those boards. Now, if there *was* no Bone game in development or in the negotiating phases, they would have just come out and said so, right? But silence implies some state of non-disclosure agreement. Unless, of course, they just didnt see my post&

[Udvarnoky]

Several other licenses were speculated, and they weren't all suggested by a single person.

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

don't tell me you have never played grim fandango!
if you haven't run out and get a copy rite away, it undoubtedly the best adventure game ever made. in my opinion and many others.

I have to admit, I've played every Lucasarts adventure game except Grim Fandago. I've been meaning to go out and get it for a while now. I won't delay much longer.

[smallfrozenhamster]

Is it not obvious that the game is going to be Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. And I'm not saying that because the funny character looks like Marvin (because he doesn't look even close). I say that because...




Because i would really like to see a new 3D point'n'click H2G2 adventure game. Plus with the movie coming out next year it would be a good idea.

[oprion]

Is it not obvious that the game is going to be Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. And I'm not saying that because the funny character looks like Marvin (because he doesn't look even close). I say that because...

Because i would really like to see a new 3D point'n'click H2G2 adventure game. Plus with the movie coming out next year it would be a good idea.

Hmm come to think of it, Guide to the galaxy did have cavemen in it...then again if that is the license they decide to persue it'll be hard to overshadow the sheer brilliance of the original infocom game.

[James]

Grim Fandango is my favourite game. I think it's great, and made perfectly (that's why I made a site about it (http://dod.dotagame.com)).

But I wouldn't like to see a Grim Fandango 2. The game was made so that everything fitted together at the end, and there were no loose ends. If there was a sequel, it wouldn't work as well as the origional did. Grim Fandango was meant to end, unlike games like Monkey Island or Sam and Max.

[Krazy]

I'm ripe with anticipation.

I thought I smelled something.

Hmmm what could this project be? I'm hoping it's a Banana's in Pyjamas adventure game. Man that'd be sweet ;)

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

no man ,a mickey mouse game would be cool ;)

[Krazy]

no man ,a mickey mouse game would be cool ;)

OH GOD NO! Every time you use an item he'd say "Golly that sure is a mighty swell idea" :((

[Gmonkey]

Regarding Sam and Max 2. I'm not entirely sure I'd want them to use the resources from Freelance Police (and I'm sure my feelings would be foremost in their decision)

But wouldn't it be a better idea to start fresh, new company, new vision of the title, and show their difference from LucasArts? Just my thoughts, and as with most of my thoughts, may have no place in the real world, ;-)

[OniLukos]

Is it not obvious that the game is going to be Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. And I'm not saying that because the funny character looks like Marvin (because he doesn't look even close). I say that because...




Because i would really like to see a new 3D point'n'click H2G2 adventure game. Plus with the movie coming out next year it would be a good idea.

I'm sure we all would. I mean, the only H2G2 game in existance is the old text-adventure that I've heard (from ThreeHeadedMonkey, I believe) ends very abruptly. That's no good at all.

[scaryrobot]

As far as I know, Maniac Mansion is not based on a movie, but is an original idea from Ron Gilbert.
However, I think that there was a sitcom named Maniac Mansion which was loosely based on the game that was filmed during the 90's.

It means that Maniac mansion's rights probably belong to Lucasarts. IMHO, a third MM is not impossible, but I think Monkey Island has a bigger probability...

Ah, you could be right there. My mistake...

[Udvarnoky]

But wouldn't it be a better idea to start fresh, new company, new vision of the title, and show their difference from LucasArts?

That's what they'll end up having to do, but I would definitely prefer to see Freelance Police. I mean, just look at some of those screenshots. Check out what Steve Purcell had to say about the game. The bits and bits revealed by Mike Stemmle sounded ridiculously awesome. No, this game was golden, and it'd be great to see it someday.

I don't see your deal about wanting it to be different from "LucasArts." The folks over at LucasArts were/are (not sure how many are left at this point) extremely talented people (heck, some of 'em are right here in this company!). It's the higher-ups at LucasArts who made the company suck. The game itself was in the hands of the right sort of people and was almost assuredly brilliant.

[YMH]

There's also the new graphical remake of the old Hitchhiker's text adventure game:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/game.shtml

I'd love to play a 2D hand animated Mickey Mouse adventure game, actually. I've seen Mickey used effectively as a compelling character in a few places (some comics, a novel, Kingdom Hearts, and the new Three Musketeers DVD movie), and I think it could work well.

[Gmonkey]

Udvarnoky, I really didn't make my point very well and for that I apologise, I wasn't trying to tell them to change the game, because it did look very, very good, and I didn't want it to be different from LucasArts vision of the game out of any fear of the quality of the game. I was more trying to make the point that they are a new developer, not just "the guys from LucasArts", and I thought that that might be best achieved by doing the game their way, from the start, there are many people from LucasArts, but it's not the same team as before, some people didn't come accross, and they've joined new people, regardless of their talent, the vision of the game will have changed.

[misanthrope]

But you have to understand...

The game is there and ready to be released. Or at least I think it is. All they need is the rights and we're all good to go.
There is no sense in redoing an obviously good game. Plus, if they do that, we're waiting even LONGER for our precious Sam and Max. I'm confident that Telltale knows what's up as far as doing the right things.


Oh, and Mecca lecca hi, mecca jonni ho

[Chepito]

"...we can't actually announce anything... yet. We can; however, give you a hint - some of you are right! We can also tell you our unabashed teasing will soon be over! Within the coming weeks, expect to see a huge announcement regarding this exciting game."

[Udvarnoky]

I was more trying to make the point that they are a new developer, not just "the guys from LucasArts", and I thought that that might be best achieved by doing the game their way, from the start, there are many people from LucasArts, but it's not the same team as before, some people didn't come accross, and they've joined new people, regardless of their talent, the vision of the game will have changed.

I sorta see what you're saying, but I still completely disagree with you. If the game is already great, then there's no reason to change the "vision of the game" simply to be different. They are a new developer, and some of these guys are indeed from LucasArts and even worked on Sam & Max, but although Freelance Police would have had the LucasArts label had it been released, it still would have been the product of the hard-working team behind it. I personally believe, even though I don't have to the game to prove it, that this team got the game exactly right. The company name slapped on the title has no meaning at this point. I think changes to an already fine game is unwarranted and unnecessary, especially if it's just to distinguish two companies from each other.

The game is there and ready to be released.

Nah. The game may have been close to completion, but it's not done. I believe the preview that surfaced in April said the game was scheduled for a Fall 2004 release date. Still, that's way too far into development to cancel for the reason LucasArts gave us, and it'd be great if Telltale could pick up where was left off. The thing is, that's not going to happen. Telltale may get the rights to Sam & Max, but I can't see them gaining those resources. Is it even remotely possible, Telltale? I mean, one side of me says that LucasArts is so greedy that it will sit on those resources even though they know they'll do nothing with it and they just don't want anyone else to have it. And another side of me says that LucasArts is so greedy that it'd be willing to sell the resources for quick cash. Unfortunately, the end result is the same: I'm a hopeless schizophrenic with no way out of this white, padded cubicle.

[OniLukos]

I do suppose if we could prove that S&M2 make them money we could see it finished, or possibly have a fundraiser to make enough money for Telltale to buy the rights, or something...

I hope.

[jp-30]

While I'd love to see the LEC S&M2 game released, I'd hate for Telltale to have to sign contracts with LucasArts to get the game finished & released.

Face it, it's better for Telltale to have LucasArts totally out of the picture, which in all likelihood means starting again from scratch.

Also it's hardly likely Dank the Caveman is from the Licensed game, he'l probably be a character from one of the small, original titles Telltale is working on.

[Udvarnoky]

I don't think it'd be better to start from scratch, though that is almost certainly what they'll have to do. Frankly, I don't see why you're against them reaching an agreement with LucasArts over the game and would prefer the alternative.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

i dont think its about Dank the Caveman
beacuase,no body knows him and loves him

[Udvarnoky]

I already love him. Deeply.

[OniLukos]

Meh, he kinda freeks me out.
...
...
He's -looking- at me...
*hides*

Okay, seriously, I thought LucasArts still had all the licenses...could they be obtaining a new licenses? What's already been mentioned? Can someone compile it into a list?

[HieroHero]

how long do you think it would take them to re-do what they already did on freelance police?

[Burn]

1-2 years to redo sam and max 2. It would be a bit sad though. A third developer on the project. But the market has to be right for it. Why would the game keep getting picked up if it wasn't?

[jp-30]

1-2 years to redo sam and max 2. It would be a bit sad though.

Don't forget they'll already have the engine from their first game and their mini-games.

Also, if they go "sitcom style" as has been mentioned several times in interviews, with shorter standalone episodes rather than an huge 'standard' style adventure, they can be churning them out reasonable quickly.

Also, this means we could purchase the playback engine separately (or with th efirst game), and then just download data-files to play the episodes.

[Udvarnoky]

Episodic Sam & Max sounds interesting. In fact, wasn't Freelance Police going to be episodic in a way? I remember an interview where Mike Stemmle discussed that the game would be made up of numerous cases that all tied together into one plot (which goes against Telltale, though - they said they want "episodes" that work on their own). He also hinted that extra downloadable cases may be made available after the game's release. I think this could be a great way to approach Sam & Max if Telltale does in fact get the opportunity.

Speaking of Stemmle, we've still never heard of him since the layoffs. I wonder if there's any chance of him joining up with Telltale or Autumn Moon.

[The_Sporkman]

Was he laid off, or is he still at LucasArts?

[jp-30]

Was he laid off, or is he still at LucasArts?

According to someone who seems in-the-know (http://www.mixnmojo.com/php/news/showfile.php?id=1621&category=lucasartsnews) commenting at mixnmojo.com after the last round of layoffs in August...

Comment by: calculon | Posted 20:29, August 12, 2004

- Mike Nelson quit about two weeks ago.
- Randy Breen (VP of Dev), RJ Berg (EP), Daron Stinnett (EP) and Mike Lampell (Dir of Tech) were laid off Monday.
- Michael Stemmle, Jon Knoles and Kevin Boyle (all Directors) were laid off yesterday.
- Two teams have been effectively laid off today, leaving Republic Commando as the only internal title in development.
- Peter Hirschman (Producer on SWON) is new VP of Development.

[Udvarnoky]

I'm hoping we see his name turn up again sometime soon.

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

All the non-Starwars people were laid off?! That's real scary. It's very ironic but Lucasarts is becoming the evil empire.

[jp-30]

There were plenty of "Star Wars" people laid off too.

[HieroHero]

mike stemmle needs to join telltale if they acquire the rights to sam & max..he was a large part of freelance police..and hes so damn funny.. i think if they say had 3 cases of freelance police in their initial release..and then you'd buy a new case for a cheaper price every few months..that would be awesome!!

[oprion]

Well..here are my predictions:


http://oprion.carrietech.com/max.jpg

And the winner is - Casper the firendly ghost !
:shudders:

[jp-30]

Hmmm. Funny how similar they are to my earlier predictions which I posted around the place last month;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/jaepee/shhhhhhh2.jpg

[misanthrope]

kindof looks like Mickey after his ears have been ripped off by the Cheshire Cat. but alas, no hope for that ever happening :(

[littleguybrush]

Gotta say guys, the first time I saw that figure it thought it looked a heckuva lot like Fone Bone (or is it Phone Bone, you know who I mean) and it's looking more and more likely that that's the case. I also think it’s pretty likely that if LA loses the S&M license, they will sell their remaining resources to Telltale. It would be a stupid business move not to.

[Udvarnoky]

Yeah, but as we well know, LucasArts is more than capable of making stupid business moves.

Besides, they may find some use of that engine for future games.

[guybrushguy]

i don't think LA will ever do anything with sam and max, they have clearly done everything they could to shut sam and max out of the world. they don't even post the cancellation press release on there website.

[algardex]

Think this is the best place to ask, is that caveman guy a hint for TT's new game or is it TT's logo guy like La has the golden moro.. eh guy :D

[guybrushguy]

what caveman guy is everyone talking about?

[algardex]

on this thread go to page 2, in the middle there's a post with a pic of the TT guys behind a monitor with the caveman dude
in it

[guybrushguy]

ohhh, that guy...
yeah, i'm sure that their going to use him in some game.

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

they don't even post the cancellation press release on there website.

They had some lame press release that was little more than a paragraph on there for a while. Now though, they seemed to have removed most traces of Sam and Max 2 from their website.

[fictionised]

My head is going to explode from all this speculating....AH! :((

*Wanders to another post*

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

my head explodes to :((

want to know which game it will br

[HieroHero]

why dont we speculate when all this speculation will end then

[IraJacobs]

Don't worry, whatever the game is, if telltale managed to do what they're trying to do it'll be great. Maybe Sam & Max 2 will be somewhere down the road. We can always hope :)

[Joshi]

Sometime next yere I think, May some time, and then it'll be up for bid from Purcel.

[jp-30]

Originally from the Marin Independant Journal, taken from http://www.samandmax.net/

Although the company is in negotiations for the license of another game, the trio said it is no secret that they want to develop the sequel to "Sam and Max" or something like it. An online petition in support of the canceled game incited the company's launch, they said.

"When we saw the petition and how upset people were, we knew we had to start Telltale Games," Bruner said.

LucasArts has a license for the game from the comic book's creator, Steve Purcell. That license expires in May, at which point Connors said he hopes to strike a deal with Purcell.

Purcell could not be reached for comment, nor could LucasArts spokeswoman Anne Marie Stein.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

there is hope B-) there is hope

yesterday my copy of sam and max: hit hte road (talkie) arived trough Emule Plues :p there is hope B-) there is hope

yesterday my copy of sam and max: hit hte road (talkie) arived trough Emule Plues

[fictionised]

i don't think LA will ever do anything with sam and max, they have clearly done everything they could to shut sam and max out of the world. they don't even post the cancellation press release on there website.

Hah! Don't count your chickens yet! Next thing we know, there's another 10 Star Wars games running on the S&M engine, and they aren't even adventure games! B-)

[mikaljan]

The shadow shown could be a monkey...however, it could be anything, because that's a pretty generic-shaped shadow...

Some things point towards there beeing a monkey in the game...
There's this on the Secret Page (http://www.telltalegames.com/secret.jsp):
http://www.telltalegames.com/images/team.jpg

Notice the monkey in the middle of the picture?

But then again, the shadow of the "waving" guy looks to me like the Bone character...


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

HAHA, I think I got it!! They are making a stone-age version of Monkey Island. Probably Guybrush's ancestor kicking LeChuck's grandpa's ass :p :p

[Plan9]

Sorry to spoil the mystery, but I can almost guarentee this is our mystery guy...

http://www.keegans.com/knk/comics/graphics/bone1_0001.jpg

Main character from the BONE comic books

[guybrushguy]

i'm convinced thats who it is

[Burn]

The shadow shown could be a monkey...however, it could be anything, because that's a pretty generic-shaped shadow...

Some things point towards there beeing a monkey in the game...
There's this on the Secret Page (http://www.telltalegames.com/secret.jsp):
http://www.telltalegames.com/images/team.jpg

Notice the monkey in the middle of the picture?

But then again, the shadow of the "waving" guy looks to me like the Bone character...


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

HAHA, I think I got it!! They are making a stone-age version of Monkey Island. Probably Guybrush's ancestor kicking LeChuck's grandpa's ass :p :p

You think? I thought the monkey could have been troy's step brother or something?

[LeChuckie]

Iv'e never heard of these BONE comics. Anyone wanna fill me (and anyone else) in. If I'm honest they look a little bit [edited].

[DFKT]

http://www.telltalegames.com/images/team.jpg

So what does the broom in the image mean?

Guess, they're doing a new Harry Potter game, then...
"Harry Potter and the Ex-Prisoners of LucasArts" or so...

[Bernard]

I guess it's just a guy with a brush!

Bernard

[DFKT]

Aaaaaah, thanks Bernard... it all becomes so clear now.
Haven't had my dosis of MI in a long time.

Un-obvious me! D'oh! :))

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

B-)

[Burn]

The brooms there because they went cheap on a jainitor. OR Maybe it means that they are going to be taking all there competition to the cleaners.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

or they make a monkey ball adventure :D
or ape escape

i found a other pic

http://www.telltalegames.com/images/shhhhhhh.jpg

http://www.telltalegames.com/images/shhhhhhh2.jpg

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

Huh? Those two pictures are the same.

Edit: Wait a minute, they're not. One is a bit wider than the other.

[Udvarnoky]

Zak McKracken is back! ;)

[Nappi]

Hmmm... Other one has shorter legs.

[Burn]

I did alot of of image comparisions . I put it through several programs on my computer. Another several on someone elses computer, then I took it downtown to all my forensic investigator buddies, and everything reached the same conclusion. They are identicle accept for their placing on the thread.

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

They're very similar, but they're not identical.

[tyraarane]

They are identicle accept for their placing on the thread.

Actually, if you kinda squint and turn your head to the side, it looks like a skull the first image has a rounder, possibly shorter stomach than the second. It's probably just two different variations on the character design, though.

[MagooChris]

Looks like the shadow man has a nose.... either that or his arm is attached to his head......

[Burn]

What if they are, what if they aren't? It doesn't make any difference unless one of the pictures has some secret meaning.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

maybe it's Murray who has taken someones other body with a spell B-)

[Noerholm]

Actually I don't mind who or what the game will be featuring, I'm pretty sure these guys (TTG) will come up with a new, exiting, hillarious, challenging, and so on.. -game.. Or games..
;)

[MagooChris]

well, we'd hope it would be more than just one game! :p I mean, what would be the point if they only made one game??

I think we can safely say "Games"

[fussili]

I'm gonna say Monkey Island game - only because I'd love one and am completely ignoring the practicalities.

Come'on, you've got a monkey, you've got a Guy with a Brush - that's more than enough to get a looney MI fan like me to happy delude himself into thinking that a new MI game is on the way :)

[MagooChris]

What about the Guy with the Giant hammer?

and I don't see a french person throwing up...

[Burn]

Wait, i can see the difference. That's freaky.

[Parn86]

What if thy only meant the ones who said that it won't be Sam & Max 2 by saying "some of you were right"?...

[tyraarane]

What if thy only meant the ones who said that it won't be Sam & Max 2 by saying "some of you were right"?...

Then...er...I know! Maybe it's Full Throttle 2! Quick, somebody else suggest it so we can qualify as "some" and I can get my hopes up! ;)

(Okay, so I'm just kidding. It's the most unlikely thing ever, I know. I'm just a masochist who likes having her dreams crushed.)

[Irrious]

The blurred character HAS to be Bone. I remember that cartoon from a long time ago. Sounds like a good idea, but I'd way rather have s&m2 =\

[Burn]

http://img13.exs.cx/img13/2842/shhhhhhh.gif
Now that I have answered the question, let's all speculate how good the next Hasselhoff game is going to be.

[PyromaN]

well I wouldn't mind seeing a new monkey island either, I played that 3d monkey island but it wasnt really very good at all, I didn't even finish the game.
These 3d games have been a curse for good adventure games so far .. with a few exceptions (grim fandango,...)
Just my opinion

[jp-30]

well I wouldn't mind seeing a new monkey island either, I played that 3d monkey island but it wasnt really very good at all, I didn't even finish the game.
These 3d games have been a curse for good adventure games so far .. with a few exceptions (grim fandango,...)
Just my opinion

Why would anyone be wanting a Monkey Island game without Ron Gilbert on board? And the Monkey Island intellectual property is owned by LucasArts, I really can't see them selling it to a competitor.

Anyway, why's everyone hung up on sequels (Sam & Max excepted, for obvious reasons). It's the original characters and scenarios that I'm most looking forward to... like that Caveman guy!

[Udvarnoky]

Why would anyone be wanting a Monkey Island game without Ron Gilbert on board?

Maybe because CMI and EMI were amazing as well?

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

Monkey Island 3 & 4 were both missing something. they tried to explain away the wierd ending from Monkey Island 2 and that took away from the continuity of the series. Also, they recycled the insult sword fighting from Monkey Island 1. In my opinion recylcing isn't a good thing to do in sequels.

[MagooChris]

Although, if we had needed to recall MI1 to be able to win the swordfights, that would have been cool! nasty for those who never played one but it would have been fun :)

[Burn]

I started playing the series from CMI. I loved that games and I didn't think it was missing anything, but it was different from the first two. The style CMI was in was great, but Monkey island 4 was definatly lacking.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

i want more news B-)

[DFKT]

Yeah, give us news, Telltale! ;)
I want some tales to be told!

[LeChuckie]

http://www.telltalegames.com/images/team.jpg
Hey. He's holding an axe in that picture too!!! I just realised bout the (Guy) Brush thing [=D>] and can't think of any other reason for a brush in that picture...

[misanthrope]

Did anyone ever think they just used props in the picture for the hell of it?

[Burn]

And all those jeans there wearing, I bet the main character in there new game loves jeans.

[bigk69er]

any one noticed the guy with the hat and no shoes mmmmmmmmmmmmmm what all that about go to the boneville site and see the pictures of bone standing with his hand in the air

[Jake]

No no, don't you see, when people are burried they don't wear any shoes. It's imparting a secret message that that guy is dead.

And by the way, that's a broom, not a brush.

[DFKT]

And by the way, that's a broom, not a brush.

Naaaah. We already cleared that one here: http://www.telltalegames.com/forum/viewthread?thread=5&offset=120#402

[Steve]

First of all, I don't think the blurred shadow picture has anything to do with the game. I just think they used it because it's a mistery which game they will make and who the shadow is is a mistery, too.

http://www.telltalegames.com/images/team.jpg

I will try helping analyze this image like so many have done before.
Being a huge Monkey Island fan I'll link most of the stuff in the image to Monkey Island.

Guy holding hammer: Guybrush used a hammer in MI2 to lock Stan in his own coffin. And in MI3 he used it to nail the bed to the floor.
Guy holding monkey: ... Well ... Monkey Island is an island filled with monkeys where Guybrush keeps returning to.
Guy with brush: Just like everyone who said it's a reference to Guybrush. I think so, too.
Guy with propellor hat: Maybe someone walking around in the themepark on monkey island?
The guy with the axe I cannot link to Monkey Island

This is all a little farfetched. The most logical explanation is that it's just an image of "the team". Nothing more

[Burn]

You sure it's a hammer, looks more like a giant lolliepop to me.

[Sam]

I was thinking uncooked meat on a stick! Maybe Human meat... maybe their stuck on an island and their forced to eat other people.... and the guy has a broom, and islands are usually dusty.... and there is a toy monkey in the picture... and I only know one game with monkey's, cannibals, and an Island that people get trapped on (and is dirty)!.... Are you thinking what i'm thinking....

A gilligan's island's adventure game!

[shapeshifter]

I bet the guys at Telltale are cracking up every time they look at this thread. ;)

In any case, I would like to point out that there is an amplifier in the left of the picture. Put that in your theories ;)

[jp-30]

I bet the guys at Telltale are cracking up every time they look at this thread. ;)

In any case, I would like to point out that there is an amplifier in the left of the picture. Put that in your theories ;)

Obligatory "Bernard's Room" in DOTT comment...

[Sam]

In any case, I would like to point out that there is an amplifier in the left of the picture. Put that in your theories ;)
gilligan played guitar, didn't he... no wait.. thats was jimmy hendrix... I always get the two mixed up.

[joebot33]

looks like some type of item to "Melee" with... perhaps...

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

i want ot know it

i want more newz

[jp-30]

HieroHero broke the thread. B-)

[TheKiller]

Everytime I look at that picture I keep thinking the brush looks like a banana picker. Obviously my imagination is getting the better of me.

Anyways, i'm new here (seems like a while since I said that somewhere) and if i'm honest i'd most like to see a Monkey Island sequel. You never know I guess....

The idea that it might be this 'Bone' character i find somewhat disturbing :-/ . I mean, if they are going to get us this hyped up just to say 'Yes, its what you've all been waiting for. it's BONE!

Ahem,

The wait continues... :D

[jp-30]

The idea that it might be this 'Bone' character i find somewhat disturbing :-/ . I mean, if they are going to get us this hyped up just to say 'Yes, its what you've all been waiting for. it's BONE!

Ahem,

The wait continues... :D

Well, we're all getting hyped up about their 2nd licensed game, which has been hinted at being Sam & Max. As for the first licensed game, I think we'll all just be happy at a new point-n-clicker in the LucasArts style, no matter what the subject.

[guybrushguy]

what happend to the thread? i'm confused..
i'm guna have to deleat these few threads guys sorry for the confusion. hopefully that will fix the problem.

EDIT*** fixed it, i had to deleate your post to fix the thread, hero, sorry about that.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

maybe its just Toast

[Jake]

Well, even if it is a brush I still say the guy with no shoes is dead. His name is Paul until anyone who know's what's what says what.

[guybrushguy]

maybe its just Toast

thats what i'm sticking with, it makes the most sence to me.

[JCD]

I couldn't be bothered to read through the entire thread, so you'll have to excuse me if this already has been said :)

Anyway, that figure looks a bit like Marvin from the upcoming Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy movie.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

thats allready been said

[JCD]

Curses!


;)

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

nah..

no body loves curses

maybe it's a game about a little piece of toast that's
crazy and wants to find his mom back :-/

[DFKT]

Maybe it's a game about Jedi Knights, Mormons, and wrestling...

[openfire]

it has to be a game about someone who is a normal everyday person during the day but at night he is a professional wrestler!!!

[Steve]

Maybe it's a game about you having to save your abducted brother from aliens.
Oh wait there's already a game like that (http://www.dotagame.com) in production!!

[guybrushguy]

shameless advertising....

tsk tsk tsk :p

[Burn]

Your a mod on their forum. http://www.dotagame.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=62

[Steve]

sorry, i'll never do it again :((

Anyway. I wanna read some more useless gossip about which game it's gna be!!

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

maybe it's just a game about ?????????

a dog and a bunny

EDIT: @ the community page are some linx to comics and that kinda stuff B-)

or just : Max Hamm

http://www.cammuso.com/Frameset_1.html :))

[avidfan]

Yeah....a game about a dog in a suit and a schizofrenic bunny. That's the kind of game I want to play!!

[DFKT]

I want a game about a dog and a bunny-thing, where both are pirates... in the land of the dead! With an evil scientist and an archaeologist-adventurer! And a sleazy news-reporter and martians!

[oldbushie]

Maybe Earthbound... monkey and beanies in that...
Only twas a baseball bat and a frying pan, not mallet and broom.

Let's see... Mario and Donkey Kong had some of those props...

Monkey Island 5 *would* be plain awesome, but it might not be that quite. ;) Could be a misleading clue. ;)

Bah, as long as the game has monkeys in it I'm happy. XD

[Burn]

http://www.dudebrough.com
They are working on this game, it was registered by Telltale and is on their related links page.

[Nappi]

Yea... That would be the highly anticipated game we have been waiting for. At least I don't know what that is. :p
I thought that was just a hint.

[Burn]

You could call it that, but this is the speculation thread, and when you speculate you make assumptions, mine was that this is their upcoming tittle

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

i heard that bad brain is talking with Lucas Arts about a License :D

found this @ the Bad brains site


lots of Publishers publise,Games of other game company


and just take a look @ the site of Bad Brains

: meta name="keywords" content=" sam, max, 2, bad brain entertainment, videogames, movies, funding">

just look @ the words Sam,Max,and 2
also movies,tell tale wanted to make Games that tell stories,movies tell stories.

And Funding,Tell Tale needs funding


just my 2 cents

[LeChuckie]

: meta name="keywords" content=" sam, max, 2, bad brain entertainment, videogames, movies, funding">

What is it you have actually done there?

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

: meta name="keywords" content=" sam, max, 2, bad brain entertainment, videogames, movies, funding">

What is it you have actually done there?

just opened the Bad Brain site in Notepad

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

http://www.dudebrough.com
They are working on this game, it was registered by Telltale and is on their related links page.

Maybe this is one of their smaller TV games and the shadow on the products page could be something completely different.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

maybe its just a site for fun :-/

[jp-30]

Maybe this is one of their smaller TV games and the shadow on the products page could be something completely different.

I would venture that the products page & the mysterious blurry sihlouette relates to their first licensed game.

Dank the Caveman & Ted Dudebrough I would imagine we'll be seeing in upcoming original Telltale adventures in 2005.

[avidfan]

Or maybe Dudebrough is a character in the up-coming Sam and Max Hit The Beach adventure game!

[:P]

[Burn]

: meta name="keywords" content=" sam, max, 2, bad brain entertainment, videogames, movies, funding">

What is it you have actually done there?

just opened the Bad Brain site in Notepad

It's the source code, the meta bit is for search engines like yahoo, so when you search for a site, it looks at those key words. I don't think google does that though.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

but still its interesting :D

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

More Sam and Max 2 rumors (http://www.samandmax.net/). Maybe Telltale won't be doing the sequel like we thought.

[Udvarnoky]

I do hope they become involved in some way.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

yes,otherwise it would sick

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

Maybe there will be a Sam and Max 3.

[cappuchok]

If you notice, the post on samandmax.net distinctly said "Bad Brain Entertainment" is a publisher, which means that TellTale may very well be the developer! Keeping my fingers crossed...

[jbaudrand]

what about full throttle 2 (the developpemùent was stopped too)?

[tyraarane]

what about full throttle 2 (the developpem�ent was stopped too)?

Well, personally, I think FT2 is also a possibility (remote, mind, but still a possibility for me because I like getting my hopes up). And even though I'll be the first to agree that Hell on Wheels would've taken the original game out back, shot it, and buried the body deep, the trailer actually wasn't that bad, as trailers go. And it's the only other LucasArts game (I think?) besides Sam & Max 2 that had a trailer out before it was cancelled.

Anyway, personally, I'm hoping. I'd be pleased with a Sam & Max 2, too, but I do have to admit that I'm more of a Full Throttle fan. I just hope that, if it does happen (in a parallel universe where time has no meaning and all my pipe dreams come true), they'll do a new game instead of just releasing Hell on Wheels. I want a new FT game, just not that one.

[DFKT]

what about full throttle 2 (the developpem�ent was stopped too)? Yeah, good point. People didn't react as strongly to the cancellation of FT2 as they did with S&M2. Myself, I completely forgot about it. But that's because I didn't like FT1 as much as S&M1... just played it once. (S&M1 I played about 10 times, I guess...)

[jp-30]

The thing is LucasArts owns the IP for Full Throttle. Which is why I find it hard to believe they would allow another company to develop such a game.

See also Monkey Island & Maniac Mansion etc...

[cappuchok]

what about full throttle 2 (the developpem�ent was stopped too)? Yeah, good point. People didn't react as strongly to the cancellation of FT2 as they did with S&M2. Myself, I completely forgot about it. But that's because I didn't like FT1 as much as S&M1... just played it once. (S&M1 I played about 10 times, I guess...)
I remember not being very disappointed in the cancellation of Hell on Wheels. I am very fond of the first Full Throttle game, and a sequel will have to live up to very high standards to be a worthy continuation of the story. So I'm also hoping that if they do decide to do a Full Throttle 2, it be a point-and-click adventure, rewritten from scratch. If they release Hell on Wheels, I'll be very very disappointed.

[shinigami]

I seriously doubt that Bad Brains is pursueing Sam and Max. They said they were in talks with LucasArts. LucasArts don't own the IP to Sam and Max, Steve Purcell does. They could purchase the game rights from LucasArts, but since that agreement ends May 2005 I doubt they could get a product out that fast. There's only one possibility, Bad Brains buys the publishing rights to the nearly finished Sam and Max: Freelance Police. Otherwise, I suspect they are gonna try to obtain Full Throttle.

[Udvarnoky]

They're probably hoping to get the resources from LucasArts. If their freakin' META tag has Sam and max 2 in it, then they must be pretty confident. Doesn't mean they actually made any progress, though. I'm sure Telltale wants to finish Freelance Police just as bad, but know the harsh, complicated realities of securing the thing. I do hope they become part of this, though. They've got some key members of the old team.

Time will tell...

[tyraarane]

The thing is LucasArts owns the IP for Full Throttle. Which is why I find it hard to believe they would allow another company to develop such a game.

See also Monkey Island & Maniac Mansion etc...

Yes, but Bad Brain said they were in negotiations with LucasArts, which is exactly what they'd have to do to get the license to make FT2. Or, I suppose, the data from the nearly-finished Freelance Police.

Am I the only one who thinks it's strange that Bad Brain has Sam & Max as a meta tag? It seems a little...smug.

[Burn]

There is no way they would be insane enought to try and finish sombody elses work. It would be like selliing a half finished painting for some one else to finish it, without telling them what brushes to use, what colours/colors. It would be insainity.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

i think they will start form scratch,i hope

[jp-30]

There is no way they would be insane enought to try and finish sombody elses work. It would b like selliing a half finished painting for some one else to finish it, without telling them what brushes to use, what colours/colors. It would be insainity.

Well that depends on how close to a finished working game Sam & Max was when it was cancelled, and that information isn't public to the best of my knowledge.

Also are there people now at Autumn Moon who were working on the game at LucasARts? If all the art and plot is done, and it's just a matter of stitching it all together, it wouldn't be too difficult to do.

Of course I'm hoping the Telltale guys are contracted to help too, if all this actually pans out.

[tyraarane]

There is no way they would be insane enought to try and finish sombody elses work. It would b like selliing a half finished painting for some one else to finish it, without telling them what brushes to use, what colours/colors. It would be insainity.

Well that depends on how close to a finished working game Sam & Max was when it was cancelled, and that information isn't public to the best of my knowledge.

Well, Just Adventure did some poking around at E3 2004, then published their findings (http://www.justadventure.com/articles/SamnMax2/SamnMax2.shtm), and one of the points/rumors they dug up was: "At the time of its cancellation, Sam n Max 2 was anywhere between 85 - 95% complete."

*shrug* Just saying.

Edit: Oh hey, and here's another interesting rumor for you, from that same page: as of E3 2004 there were already groups of interested investors trying to purchase the code. Maybe one of them was Bad Brain...?

[jp-30]

Well, Just Adventure did some poking around at E3 2004, then published their findings (http://www.justadventure.com/articles/SamnMax2/SamnMax2.shtm), and one of the points/rumors they dug up was: "At the time of its cancellation, Sam n Max 2 was anywhere between 85 - 95% complete."

*shrug* Just saying.

Edit: Oh hey, and here's another interesting rumor for you, from that same page: as of E3 2004 there were already groups of interested investors trying to purchase the code. Maybe one of them was Bad Brain...?


I do recall that 85%-95% figure being bandied about. If that is true, then even without Telltale's further input, the finished game will be near-as-dammit to the one that LucasArts was supposed to release.

As for Bad-Brain being one of the people trying to but the code at E3, it's probably unlikely due to them not even being around (in a public sense) at that time. I'd imagine that their buying the Sam & Max code will have been after talks with with Autumn Moon (who they've only just signed), perhaps as a way to finance the company... or even just to get a bucket lot of goodwill and free publicity for Bad-Brain and the games they're currently developing / publishing.

[Udvarnoky]

There is no way they would be insane enought to try and finish sombody elses work. It would b like selliing a half finished painting for some one else to finish it, without telling them what brushes to use, what colours/colors. It would be insainity.

I really want the Sam & Max 2 that LucasArts was developing to see the light of day, even at the hands of Bad-Brain. Why? Because Mike Stemmle and the rest of the team are extremely talented and capable people, and what they've made was likely not tainted by the pressure of LucasArts execs (they just exercised their power to cancel it :( ). And I'm certain that Bad Brain would be smart enough to realize that the original team is the best way to go, so they could contract Stemmle and other key team members for a job to specifically finish the game.

But I'm jumping the gun here. Let's wait a few months and see if Bad Brain can back up what they say, and let's also hope Telltale and Autumn Moon collaborate on the theoretical effort. The companies don't need to merge, but if they work together we're in good shape.

EDIT: I mentioned the companies merging. Haven't we all secretly wanted it? Can you imagine what may happen if companies like Double Fine, Telltale, Autumn Moon, and Pileated Pictures formed into some kind of uber adventure company?! It would be like the LucasArts we always wanted to have. This is a pipe dream at best, but it's something to think (and go insane) about. What would suck about the concept would be that each companies individual visions would be compromised in the process, what with Schafer's already planned designs, Telltale's ideas about technically innovative and episodic games, and Autumn Moon's apparent desire make straight-up LucasArts style adventures, willing to starve simply to delight a limited audience.

Man, I need to stop torturing myself.

[Burn]

So, get a dream team together of all the people who helped work on it,( except some of the ones still at Lucas Arts,) to work on 15-5% of a unfinished project. I suppose the other question is, do Lucas Arts still have all of the Sam and Max 2 data , or were the computers it was stored on donated to the George Lucas Computer Destruction Stress Relief Centre/er.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

So, get a dream team together of all the people who helped work on it,( except some of the ones still at Lucas Arts,) to work on 15-5% of a unfinished project. I suppose the other question is, do Lucas Arts still have all of the Sam and Max 2 data , or were the computers it was stored on donated to the George Lucas Computer Destruction Stress Relief Centre/er.


lets hope everything is stored

[oldbushie]

I can't imagine literally destroying a game just cuz it never saw the light of day... t'would be interesting to see the leftovers of all those games companies "thought" wouldn't sell that well. ;)

[Alucard]

what was up with FT2 anyway? I remember when I first heard they were going to make another one and it was going to be part action or something ? yeah fighting on the bike in the first game wasn't too bad but if anyone gets their hands on FT I think they should keep it true to the first game. Although it could have been longer.... and more puzzles.... I wonder in terms of voice actors if they are still kicking around in the biz. its been a long time since I played that game. I remember I got it for free when I got grim fandango I think.... I think I lent it out and never got it back though... anyway time to get back to work. frikken assignments.

[jp-30]

Unless Full Throttle had a "much loved trailer" and featured animals (as Bad-Brain has mentioned both those things in recent interviews regarding the game aquisition), then I think we can rule it out as the, err, mystery LucasArts game Bad-Brain is trying to buy.

[tyraarane]

what was up with FT2 anyway? I remember when I first heard they were going to make another one and it was going to be part action or something ? yeah fighting on the bike in the first game wasn't too bad but if anyone gets their hands on FT I think they should keep it true to the first game. Although it could have been longer.... and more puzzles.... I wonder in terms of voice actors if they are still kicking around in the biz.

In terms of Hell on Wheels, yes, it was going to have much more action than the original game. Which is part of what made everyone sort of back away slowly from it. Supposedly LucasArts swore there were still lots of "adventure" elements, but meh, after seeing snatches of the combat system, I doubt it. It was just going to be mediocre-to-bad all around.

As for voice actors, well, Mark Hamill is still around, as is Kath Soucie (I think?)...but Roy Conrad (Ben) died a few years ago. :(( Maybe, if they really looked, they could find a suitable sound-alike...but Ben's voice is hard to imitate, IMHO.

Unless Full Throttle had a "much loved trailer" and featured animals (as Bad-Brain has mentioned both those things in recent interviews regarding the game aquisition)...

Actually, the words weren't "much loved" but "fine" trailer. IMHO the trailer to FT2 wasn't that bad, in terms of trailers. It's fairly well put together, and I like the music to it. It's just the gross mishandling of the entire project that taints it. (Although I wil admit that, of the two, Sam & Max 2 has the better trailer.) And again, the quote about animals was "might involve animals." If you really wanted to stretch things, well, the Freeway Tribes in the original FT were all named after animals, or their names were derived from animal names.

But really, after reading the actual Adventure Gamers' interview, I'd have to say that it's Sam & Max 2, not FT2. FT didn't even get a mention once in the entire interview and didn't show up on Kierdorf's list of favorite games, so why should he bother negotiating for its license if he doesn't seem to like it?

Though I still say that there's something completely surreal about this whole thing, if it is Sam & Max 2.

Aaaand my rampant fangirlism of FT is showing through now, so I'll just head for the hills, if you don't mind...

[jp-30]

Actually, the words weren't "much loved" but "fine" trailer.

Ahh yes, getting my Telltale & Bad-Brain quotes a little muddled. Regardless, there's no evidence to support a Full Throttle resurrection and plenty to support as planned Sam & Max one.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

Actually, the words weren't "much loved" but "fine" trailer.

Ahh yes, getting my Telltale & Bad-Brain quotes a little muddled. Regardless, there's no evidence to support a Full Throttle resurrection and plenty to support as planned Sam & Max one.

Agrees

[apignarb]

Aaaand my rampant fangirlism of FT is showing through now, so I'll just head for the hills, if you don't mind...

I was looking forward to FT2 the most too, so you're not alone in the world.

[tyraarane]

Aaaand my rampant fangirlism of FT is showing through now, so I'll just head for the hills, if you don't mind...

I was looking forward to FT2 the most too, so you're not alone in the world.

Oh good, I was starting to worry for a while there.

And JP, I agree with you--the most recent clues coming out of Bad Brain are definitely indicative of a Sam & Max 2. I was just playing devil's advocate. ;)

[OniLukos]

I was browsing my usual messageboard community (MoogleMB at the current time) and came upon a topic proposing games for the Nintendo DS. The topic creator proposed Sega Saturn games for the DS, which I thought was a good idea (despite the fact that I actually do have a Sega Saturn), but what really struck me as brilliant was someone proposing traditional Point & Click Adventure games for the DS. Like Sam & Max.

Perfect! Sam & Max DS! A wonderful idea! Shuffling through the inventory and main screen might be a little challenging, but Portable Point & Click Sam & Max would be wonderful.

For those who don't know, the Nintendo DS is a new portable system by Nintendo (no, really?) that has two screens, one of which is a TOUCH SCREEN.

Of course, I don't even know if this is feasible. Programming something for a computer is one thing, programming something for a console/handheld is completely different.

Did I even post this in the right thread? XD

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

I was browsing my usual messageboard community (MoogleMB at the current time) and came upon a topic proposing games for the Nintendo DS. The topic creator proposed Sega Saturn games for the DS, which I thought was a good idea (despite the fact that I actually do have a Sega Saturn), but what really struck me as brilliant was someone proposing traditional Point & Click Adventure games for the DS. Like Sam & Max.

Perfect! Sam & Max DS! A wonderful idea! Shuffling through the inventory and main screen might be a little challenging, but Portable Point & Click Sam & Max would be wonderful.

For those who don't know, the Nintendo DS is a new portable system by Nintendo (no, really?) that has two screens, one of which is a TOUCH SCREEN.

Of course, I don't even know if this is feasible. Programming something for a computer is one thing, programming something for a console/handheld is completely different.

Did I even post this in the right thread? XD

sounds good

[Burn]

For a portable console like the ones Nintendo have been spitting out it would defiantly be possible. But character scaling is hard to do with certain views so the games might end up isometric, (like 2-D Zelda rpgs).

[Sam]

I was browsing my usual messageboard community (MoogleMB at the current time) and came upon a topic proposing games for the Nintendo DS. The topic creator proposed Sega Saturn games for the DS, which I thought was a good idea (despite the fact that I actually do have a Sega Saturn), but what really struck me as brilliant was someone proposing traditional Point & Click Adventure games for the DS. Like Sam & Max.

Perfect! Sam & Max DS! A wonderful idea! Shuffling through the inventory and main screen might be a little challenging, but Portable Point & Click Sam & Max would be wonderful.

For those who don't know, the Nintendo DS is a new portable system by Nintendo (no, really?) that has two screens, one of which is a TOUCH SCREEN.

Of course, I don't even know if this is feasible. Programming something for a computer is one thing, programming something for a console/handheld is completely different.

Did I even post this in the right thread? XD

sounds good
Sounds interesting, but been done before... Personally i use a sharp zaurus with a ported scummvm to play scumm games such as sam and max portably...

[OniLukos]

Hmmm, interesting idea.
But, this would be an easier way to bring it to a main(er) stream, or something. I dunno XD

Also, the Zelda RPGs aren't isometric, they're overhead (and not really even RPGs, they're Adventure. The only REAL Zelda RPG was Zelda II, and it sucked XD). Isometric is like most Tactical RPGs, including FFT.

And character scaling shouldn't be an issue. It worked fine in the original S&M.

[Calevera_Cafe]

I know this picture was shown a long time ago so its odd showing it now but I had to tell people just for another guess (this probably isnt it but maybe) This picture: http://www.telltalegames.com/images/team.jpg

The man on the very left has a hammer made out of clay and in 1997 a game came out called "NeverHood" and it was made intirerly from clay. You could go to google or somthing and check it out.

[Burn]

umm, most of that game was set in a place called Claytown. Guess why. Because everything was made out of clay.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

umm, most of that game was set in a place called Claytown. Guess why. Because everything was made out of clay.


maybe

[SaiBot]

I know this picture was shown a long time ago so its odd showing it now but I had to tell people just for another guess (this probably isnt it but maybe) This picture: http://www.telltalegames.com/images/team.jpg


My guess is that they're just posing with stuff that somehow associates to their favorite adventure games.

[Calevera_Cafe]

Or maybe its agame they worked on (the guy on the left Neverhood and the guy with the monkey would of helped in the making of Monkey Island)

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

BUMP :))

[Burn]

Dahhhhh, You Brought it back from the dead.

[ThreeHeadedMonkey]

The speculation thread can never die!

[tyraarane]

What is this, TellTale Forums 2: The Speculation Thread's Revenge?

...Okay, that was a cheap shot. I'm sorry. It'll never happen again.

[HieroHero]

in that picture 4 of them are wearing jeans..one isnt..that could be a clue B-)

[misanthrope]

I think they are all skeletons wearing human skins. Grim Fandango 2! If you look closely you could make out the zippers on thier skin suits. The objects are just a diversion.

[Captain_Le_Chimp]

lol :D

[ducklord]

Don't quote me on this, but I heard that Mike Stemmle is currently doing contract work for Cisco Systems (of all things). Furthermore, I hear that he's royally torqued off the TellTale guys by going incommunicado (not to mention slightly incontinent) for the last few months.

But of course, that's all third-hand conjecture. In all likelihood, Stemmle's somewhere in France, living high off the hog on his Afterlife royalties.

Spreading muck,
The Lord of the Ducks.

[Alucard]

speaking of afterlife has it been abandoned yet? I only ever played the demo and then after a while the surfers from hell would come along and kill my city and say to buy the real version.

[HieroHero]

thats disappointing..stemmle needs to join telltale..his humour would be a real asset.. i think he was 1 of the main reasons why freelance police was looking so good

[jp-30]

I'm sure Telltale will be doing great things even without Mike Stemmle. ;)

I'd heard he was talking a break from Videogames as a whole, having been burned out due to the whole LucasArts situation and the disappointment of the cancellation of Sam & Max. Possibly writing a book...

Anyway, I'm thinking he'll probably return to the genre in his own good time.