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ig0rpwnwEd
02/22/2009, 09:16 am
Hey Goozers, I want to make a video about the top ten saddest moments in the video game industry, but didn't know which ones to choose. Any suggestions? An example for an answer is "When Naughty Dog gave up the Crash Bandicoot franchise." not [SPOILER]"When Aeris dies in FFIV."[SPOILER/]

Ray-The-Sun
02/22/2009, 10:17 am
Okay, We ALL know what Number 1 is;
THE DEATH OF SEGA.
Oh Come on, It's inevitable that's gonna be at the top, Because if the DC hadn't failed, We'd still have GOOD Sonic games and we'd have a continuation of the Phantasy Star Online series.

ig0rpwnwEd
02/22/2009, 10:58 am
Actually, I think Game crash will make number one.

RobD
02/22/2009, 11:08 am
Okay, We ALL know what Number 1 is;
THE DEATH OF SEGA.
Oh Come on, It's inevitable that's gonna be at the top, Because if the DC hadn't failed, We'd still have GOOD Sonic games and we'd have a continuation of the Phantasy Star Online series.

This. The Mega Drive was such as great console and had way more good games than Nintendo at the time.

A close runner is also when lucasarts decided to print money by only making crap Star Wars games. The last good one was Jedi Knight 2. Jedi Academy was almost good, but the story really let it down.

Lucasartscomeback
02/22/2009, 11:11 am
The death of Adventure games. Also, Sonic.

Guy in a Box
02/22/2009, 11:11 am
That's about the only games they make now, right?

I would probably have to say when Nintendo started going into the casual audience.

patters
02/22/2009, 11:45 am
This. The Mega Drive was such as great console and had way more good games than Nintendo at the time.

A close runner is also when lucasarts decided to print money by only making crap Star Wars games. The last good one was Jedi Knight 2. Jedi Academy was almost good, but the story really let it down.

kotor, lego star wars, empire at war, battlefront.

MussKatt
02/22/2009, 01:58 pm
The death of Rare inc. ( when it passed to microsoft ). What was once a great company was reduces to ashes, and then the stampers left the company. Rare shiiiiiiiiiined with Nintendo, they had a great partnership and made great games together. I hated that day where the company went sour.

DaVince
02/22/2009, 02:03 pm
Hey Goozers, I want to make a video about the top ten saddest moments in the video game industry, but didn't know which ones to choose. Any suggestions? An example for an answer is "When Naughty Dog gave up the Crash Bandicoot franchise." not [SPOILER]"When Aeris dies in FFIV."[SPOILER/]
Wow, Aeris was in FFIV?! :o

Nah, just kidding. I can name a decent one, although it's not very big:
When iD software gave up on making the last Commander Keen trilogy (The Universe Is Toast!) in favor of FPSes. :P

ig0rpwnwEd
02/22/2009, 02:47 pm
These are all good suggestions, keep them coming! By the way, I am taking votes, so I think that death of adventure games may get somewhere on the list. :D

StinkomanFan
02/22/2009, 02:48 pm
6 words: "Your princess is in another castle."

Rather Dashing
02/22/2009, 03:09 pm
Actually, I think Game crash will make number one.
Psh. There was no crash. People just stopped playing on consoles, but PC games lived.

First of all, the "Crash" apprently happened in 1983. If the NES saved us all, then the "Crash" was only two years long, from 1983 to the NES's US release in 1985.

The first King's Quest came out in 1984. King's Quest II came out in 1985. 1986 brought us Space Quest.

Basically, we are consistently getting Adventure Game classics made every year after the so-called "crash" through the NES's release.

Two years without consoles doesn't mean two years without games, and even if it did, it's not by any means the "worst event in all of gaming history".

The sad moments in gaming? We have the failure of Grim Fandango at retail. We have LucasArts saying that Adventures aren't profitable and dropping the genre. The genre is by no means DEAD though. Why, we're here thanks to new adventure games! Sam and Max, Strong Bad, and Wallace & Grommit are coming out. And how about those Ace Attorney games? Though more puzzlers than adventures, we have Zack and Wiki, and Professor Layton. And how about that Vampyre Story? Overclocked: A History of Violence? Time Hollow?

At the end I was just sifting through Aggie Award winners, but as you can see, there are PLENTY of adventures from the past year. No death there.

The most tragedy is in the Sega line of things, sadly. Dreamcast. Sonic. Dropping out of the hardware biz. A failed string of consoles that was only worsened by more and more consoles that continued to fail and give consumers a lack of faith in the Sega name.

I have a few that I think are "sad", but they'd be considered "flaming", or someone would get mad that I insulted a game box they enjoy. So I won't list those.

ShaggE
02/22/2009, 03:30 pm
The death of shareware.

I miss when games would be split into "episodes" that would make up a larger whole. (no, episodic games aren't the same, before anybody says it :p)

patters
02/22/2009, 04:00 pm
The death of Rare inc. ( when it passed to microsoft ). What was once a great company was reduces to ashes, and then the stampers left the company. Rare shiiiiiiiiiined with Nintendo, they had a great partnership and made great games together. I hated that day where the company went sour.

rare had a bad period of time before and after they were sold. dk64 anyone and starfox adventures was average, as with the early xbox games, however the more recent games have been excellent or good, viva pinata and banjo

The death of shareware.

I miss when games would be split into "episodes" that would make up a larger whole. (no, episodic games aren't the same, before anybody says it :p)

this was a great shame

MussKatt
02/22/2009, 04:13 pm
rare had a bad period of time before and after they were sold. dk64 anyone and starfox adventures was average, as with the early xbox games, however the more recent games have been excellent or good, viva pinata and banjo


DK64 was average at best but was pretty boring. Star Fox adventure is a game i finished and enjoyed quite a bit. Conker's bad fur day, killer instinct, Banjo tooie... The company was good from the begining for me, even on the nes.

The games you named on x360 were games i played, but i found they lacked the magic and look more like projects than true labors of love. Rare lost feathers. They lost they're direction. At least that's my opinion.:P

Ray-The-Sun
02/22/2009, 07:03 pm
I've got a ton of stuff like this, Like the seriously bad market for hardcore nintendo games, I'm stuck between Hardcore third-Party 18s and crappy casual games.

thanatos56
02/22/2009, 09:08 pm
I do miss those old Rare games on Nintendo consoles. Perfect Dark is still the best fps I've ever played.

MussKatt
02/23/2009, 01:00 am
Give Left 4 Dead a try. It destroys every other FPS for me right now because of A) It's horror setting and B) It's different C) It's coop and D) IT's made by Valve.

Perfect Dark was decent...for a console fps at the time. I vastly prefered the Metroid Prime trilogy

Rather Dashing
02/23/2009, 06:14 am
I wish Valve made adventure/puzzle games exclusively instead. The only game by them that has impressed me so far is Portal, and I hate Steam.

But that's horribly off-topic. ;)

thanatos56
02/23/2009, 08:48 am
I'd get Left 4 Dead if I hadn't heard that the Wii port is completely butchered.

deadlinejon
02/23/2009, 09:03 am
I'd get Left 4 Dead if I hadn't heard that the Wii port is completely butchered.

what wii port? did you mean dead rising?

Rather Dashing
02/23/2009, 09:23 am
what wii port? did you mean dead rising?
I'm certain they're thinking of Dead Rising. Valve has expressed a complete lack of desire to ever develop for the Wii, and Dead Rising's port suffers from technical limitations.

Dead Rising is one of the few instances where great computing power correlates to better gameplay. Less zombies on screen at any point, and the camera feature was taken out. And it doesn't help that a couple of the characters weren't exactly brought over well, and look terrible.

But yeah. There is no Left 4 Dead Wii version, and even if there was a magical button that could move the entirety of the game over...it wouldn't matter. Because Left 4 Dead's draw, from what I understand, comes completely from online play.

thanatos56
02/23/2009, 12:04 pm
Oops, I guess I mixed those two up.

Anyway, the Dead Rising port is looking a lot like Resident Evil 4 with a different skin. I might get both when I get a PS3.

natlinxz
02/23/2009, 01:24 pm
Um....I'm surprised nobody mentioned this (it's the reason we are all on this website)

Sam and Max hit the road 2 anyone?

natlinxz
02/23/2009, 01:26 pm
Because Left 4 Dead's draw, from what I understand, comes completely from online play.

The wii is really good online, it's just that nobody bothered!

Okay, brawl was trash....so are the friend codes...

but it's up to the game developers to make a username system to kill those dumb friend codes, which we have seen in the past.

MussKatt
02/23/2009, 02:04 pm
Yeah there is no way that Left 4 dead could work on the wii.

Wii is nice, but let's face it, it's a gamecube that got overclocked.

Rather Dashing
02/23/2009, 02:47 pm
Yeah there is no way that Left 4 dead could work on the wii.

Wii is nice, but let's face it, it's a gamecube that got overclocked.

That's not the problem(or at least not the biggest one). The main problem is Nintendo's "assume our customers are child rapists first" policy.

but it's up to the game developers to make a username system to kill those dumb friend codes, which we have seen in the past.
They've made their point on this fairly clear: You are not allowed to communicate while playing a game, you are not allowed to connect without codes. Further, talking is reserved for Animal Crossing.

There are steps in the right direction for Nintendo. But if they don't drop the act, or at least treat their older audience to the online features that their competitors do, then their systems will always fail as far as online play goes. I don't see them continuing with friend codes post-Wii, however. At least, they seem to be moving continually closer towards acceptable online play. I don't want to see Nintendo crash and burn by any means. I just want a certain set of features, and Nintendo doesn't provide them. Left 4 Dead requires a certain set of features that the Wii simply doesn't have.

I will give them credit, though. If I want to play a game with my mother, I either pull out a board game....or Boom Blox. They are doing something right, the same thing Peggle does right. And that's fairly admirable in its own right.

But it can be more.

Oh, and Dead Rising is by no means a Resident Evil clone. The "tone" of the two is actually completely different. While Resident Evil is a survival horror, that focuses on limiting you as much as possible....Dead Rising is a very story-driven game with an almost humorous feel to it. It focuses on using all the items in the environment to your advantage.

You can pick up and use ANYTHING in the mall to your advantage. The first time you hop on a riding mower to clear a doorway, you'll just get it. The game is just built on all of these different items that you can use to kill or deter zombies. It's simply not a clone, the feel of the two is just too different. Dead Rising BLEEDS camp, and it's wonderful.

thanatos56
02/23/2009, 03:13 pm
I know the original Dead Rising isn't a clone, but the port looks like it has fewer zombies and an emphasis on guns rather than melee weapons, kind of like Resi 4.

natlinxz
02/23/2009, 03:19 pm
Yeah there is no way that Left 4 dead could work on the wii.

Wii is nice, but let's face it, it's a gamecube that got overclocked.

oh for....

THE WII IS NOT LAST GEN!!!!!

The wii uses PowerPC custom...
the original xbox uses pentium 3...

yes, by numbers, the original xbox looks better than the wiis processor, but the PowerPC custom is actually 3 times faster than the Pentium 3...

Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8gfDWI42p0

Chaosfan
02/24/2009, 05:16 am
Lands of Lore 3.
One of the many many reasons to hate EA.

MussKatt
02/24/2009, 06:36 am
oh for....

THE WII IS NOT LAST GEN!!!!!

The wii uses PowerPC custom...
the original xbox uses pentium 3...

yes, by numbers, the original xbox looks better than the wiis processor, but the PowerPC custom is actually 3 times faster than the Pentium 3...

Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8gfDWI42p0

Hey, who said the original XboX was better than a Gamecube? I didn't.

The thing is, the gamecube could do all the WII's game if they tryed, sacrificing only a few things.

Thing is, the WII is more interesting perhaps because of it's novel control scheme and VC and stuff, but it doesn'T cruch the Cube in any way. I prefered the Gamecube to the WII.

Ray-The-Sun
02/24/2009, 07:03 am
I prefered the Gamecube to the WII.

I do too, And do you know the reason? Well try comparing Killer7, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle*, Tales of Symphonia and Melee (To name a few of the many great third party games) to Cooking Mama, Carnival Games and Wii Games Party. Yeah.

*Even though it's just a port*

MussKatt
02/24/2009, 07:38 am
I do too, And do you know the reason? Well try comparing Killer7, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle*, Tales of Symphonia and Melee (To name a few of the many great third party games) to Cooking Mama, Carnival Games and Wii Games Party. Yeah.

*Even though it's just a port*

Well to be fair for the WII you could compare Killer 7 to MAd world. Tales of Symphonia to it's Wii sequel ( apparently not as good as prequel ), and Melee to Brawl:P I agree however that these party games are totally worthless.

Also i don't understand how Sonic Adventure 2 is so praised, but again, i never liked Sonic.

Ray-The-Sun
02/24/2009, 02:33 pm
I'm fairly sure that the appeal of SA2 was No gimmicky controls or gameplay ideas, His better voice actor, and the fact that nobody said anything 4chan worthy.

Also the mech scenes.
And the Emerald Hunting levels Rocked.
And the plot was gripping.
And it was ACTUALLY ON THE DREAMCAST.

Rather Dashing
02/24/2009, 07:06 pm
I think the current Sonic games on the Wii are some of the best stuff I've played in years. Secret Rings is just GREAT(though the "backing up" power-up should have been provided at the start).

LuigiHann
02/24/2009, 08:18 pm
Cyan (Myst series and Uru) has been riding a pretty sad roller coaster for a while.

yogurtmano86753090
02/27/2009, 08:25 pm
Okay, brawl was trash

woah woah woah, i hate peolple saying that brawl was bad, mostly because they dont have a good reason.i'd say its the best game in history.GI says that you need no skill for this game.and that is total crap:mad:anybody who does think brawl is good please say so beacause i need to know who is good at identifying good games.(no offense)

TrogLlama
02/28/2009, 02:24 am
woah woah woah, i hate peolple saying that brawl was bad, mostly because they dont have a good reason.i'd say its the best game in history.GI says that you need no skill for this game.and that is total crap:mad:anybody who does think brawl is good please say so beacause i need to know who is good at identifying good games.(no offense)
"I hate people who don't like the games that I like because they don't have any good reasons for not liking them because the games I like are perfect and if you don't like them you suck at picking out good games."

Ray-The-Sun
02/28/2009, 02:54 am
Eh, Brawl was okay but it has this sense of "completely and utterly toned down so the casuals in your family can win!", Such as Random tripping and some of the characters completely BROKEN final smashes... Good thing I use the almost best character not counting the two characters in the cheap tiers *Smack*.

thanatos56
02/28/2009, 01:38 pm
I like brawl. Tripping sucks, and I usually play without final smashes anyway, but it is one of my favorite wii games. Friend codes still suck though.

Ray-The-Sun
02/28/2009, 02:32 pm
The reason Brawl fails is because you can't disable characters on random, So when I get Jigglypuff and my Brothers get Snake and DeDeDe respectively, I'm screwed.

Also; Falco is the best character without going into the cheap (S and SS) tiers.

yogurtmano86753090
02/28/2009, 07:02 pm
"I hate people who don't like the games that I like because they don't have any good reasons for not liking them because the games I like are perfect and if you don't like them you suck at picking out good games."

oh shut up it's not like that.well okay it is kinda like that:oRTS you are right

thanatos56
03/01/2009, 12:04 am
The reason Brawl fails is because you can't disable characters on random, So when I get Jigglypuff and my Brothers get Snake and DeDeDe respectively, I'm screwed.

Also; Falco is the best character without going into the cheap (S and SS) tiers.

That's the point of the random character. You either get screwed or you hit the jackpot. Besides, you can always do something even with the worthless blimp if you're willing to be cheap enough.

Ray-The-Sun
03/01/2009, 12:36 am
you can always do something even with the worthless blimp if you're willing to be cheap enough.

Explain how this logic works if I'm Ganondorf on New Pork City.

thanatos56
03/01/2009, 08:05 am
Explain how this logic works if I'm Ganondorf on New Pork City.

Okay, New Pork City is the worst stage in the game. It's too big to actually do anything on, so I just turn it off when I'm playing random games.

Ray-The-Sun
03/01/2009, 12:43 pm
Okay, New Pork City is the worst stage in the game. It's too big to actually do anything on, so I just turn it off when I'm playing random games.

Okay, Ditto that, But how am I supposed to do anything as Ganondorf versus Sonic AND Snake, With Smash balls on, Eh?!

yogurtmano86753090
03/01/2009, 04:15 pm
thats easy just have sonic do the "you're too slow" taunt which really would piss me off if i were ganon then you would be more determined to kill sonic then it would at least be a one-on-one

Gman5852
03/01/2009, 05:03 pm
My tip for ganondof is to use his normal smash attack(the B button on a Gamecube controller) that is the strongest nonfinalsmash move in the game.
Man this thread came off track.

Ray-The-Sun
03/01/2009, 05:38 pm
My tip for ganondof is to use his normal smash attack(the B button on a Gamecube controller) that is the strongest nonfinalsmash move in the game.

Yes, Because that is going to hit Sonic on temple.

thanatos56
03/01/2009, 10:58 pm
I guess you'd have to do a lot of shield grabbing and hope for the best. Not a whole lot you can do then apart from grabs and prediction.

patters
03/02/2009, 04:48 am
i think that the lack of shenmue III wins this thread, unfortunately

Ray-The-Sun
03/02/2009, 07:01 am
i think that the lack of shenmue III wins this thread, unfortunately

And the lack of Shenmue III was caused by...
THE DEATH OF SEGA
So that just bumps it higher.

patters
03/02/2009, 07:45 am
And the lack of Shenmue III was caused by...
THE DEATH OF SEGA
So that just bumps it higher.

it was caused more by people not buying the 1st 2 i wouldn't say sega are dead either, they are still fairly strong

Ray-The-Sun
03/02/2009, 10:28 am
they are still fairly strong

Yet this contradicts Sonic '06, Shadow the Hedgehog AND Heroes.

Does not compute.

patters
03/02/2009, 11:09 am
Yet this contradicts Sonic '06, Shadow the Hedgehog AND Heroes.

Does not compute.

sonic maybe, but not sega, they have still got great releases: hotd, virtua tennis and fighter, football manager, condemned 2. great looking up coming games: madworld, the conduit, empire total war.

TrogLlama
03/02/2009, 11:41 am
Yet this contradicts Sonic '06, Shadow the Hedgehog AND Heroes.

Does not compute.
Sonic Team's kind of a weird side-note to the whole thing.
They're more of a sweatshop than a development studio at this point and have probably forgotten what good games are like.

Strong Max
03/08/2009, 02:12 pm
Two syllables, Rareware. Banjo-Kazoie and Tooie were the best gmes ever. (i'm not talking about the X-Box one)

Ray-The-Sun
03/08/2009, 05:59 pm
Oh, and Lylat Wars Starfox 64 and Adventures, they were excellent! Great thing Nintendo won the rights to Krystal, Or we'd have Dinosaur Planet appear on the 360, And we all know that'd end up very bad.

TrogLlama
03/08/2009, 08:07 pm
Oh, and Lylat Wars Starfox 64 and Adventures, they were excellent! Great thing Nintendo won the rights to Krystal, Or we'd have Dinosaur Planet appear on the 360, And we all know that'd end up very bad.
Oh, yeah, Dinosaur Planet.
It's a good thing they never shoehorned Star Fox into that and had Andross show up at the last minute just to kill all the build-up so you could have the obligatory SHOOT THE CORE GIANT FLOATING HEAD fight.

Ray-The-Sun
03/08/2009, 08:46 pm
Oh, yeah, Dinosaur Planet.
It's a good thing they never shoehorned Star Fox into that and had Andross show up at the last minute just to kill all the build-up so you could have the obligatory SHOOT THE CORE GIANT FLOATING HEAD fight.

But if it didn't become Adventures, Rare probably would've had the rights to it, and then we'd get them on the 360. And I would go on a murderous rampage. Oh, and we would've had the original version of Krystal, Which looked ugly as heck.

TrogLlama
03/08/2009, 09:19 pm
But if it didn't become Adventures, Rare probably would've had the rights to it, and then we'd get them on the 360. And I would go on a murderous rampage. Oh, and we would've had the original version of Krystal, Which looked ugly as heck.
Except Adventures sucked, so yeah.
And you do realize that early Krystal was a beta model, right?
And on the goddamn N64?
It's not exactly powerful hardware (by modern standards, anyway).
Also, the furries had to use their imaginations more, which is a plus.

GaryCXJk
03/09/2009, 01:43 pm
Okay, We ALL know what Number 1 is;
THE DEATH OF SEGA.
Oh Come on, It's inevitable that's gonna be at the top, Because if the DC hadn't failed, We'd still have GOOD Sonic games and we'd have a continuation of the Phantasy Star Online series.
*cough*ValkyriaChronicles*cough*Madworld*cough*

Also, without Star Fox Adventure we wouldn't have had Krystal, one of the hottest anthropomorphs since Gadget from Rescue Ranger.

Ray-The-Sun
03/09/2009, 03:10 pm
I say Adventures is a Great game, Considering when you compare it to... THAT one on DS. The video game industry nowadays doesn't accommodate the hardcore gamers like you and I, That's why I like Telltale so much.

patters
03/09/2009, 03:29 pm
I say Adventures is a Great game, Considering when you compare it to... THAT one on DS. The video game industry nowadays doesn't accommodate the hardcore gamers like you and I, That's why I like Telltale so much.

starfox command was an excellent game what are you talking about

Snicklin
03/09/2009, 03:43 pm
When Sega stopped making systems. That was pretty sad.

Freelance Poster
03/09/2009, 04:39 pm
NOA's treatment of the Mother series has to be pretty high on a list like this.

TrogLlama
03/09/2009, 07:29 pm
Also, without Star Fox Adventure we wouldn't have had Krystal, one of the hottest anthropomorphs since Gadget from Rescue Ranger.

This... this is sarcasm, right?
You're just saying this because you know I've been openly squicked out by this sort of thing, right?

Ray-The-Sun
03/10/2009, 08:14 am
starfox command was an excellent game what are you talking about

Aside from the dialogue, How much they changed characters like Katt, Amanda and the really bad endings you mean?

This... this is sarcasm, right?
You're just saying this because you know I've been openly squicked out by this sort of thing, right?

I'm still here y'know.

patters
03/10/2009, 08:41 am
Aside from the dialogue, How much they changed characters like Katt, Amanda and the really bad endings you mean?



amanda was only in command. endings in games such as star fox don't matter, they are for playing not watching, its an arcade game not a story driven action adventure, especially as only one of the multiple endings will matter over all, they are what ifs not end alls.

i nly get disappointed at endings in a cinematic type game (se mgs, mass effect, shenmue, i could go on).

my main point is that not every game needs a good story or for one to even be there, look at the mario games their story is terrible princess gets kidnapped mario to the rescue, you play them for the game play. Less games should try to have a story and be more original with their game play

/rant

thanatos56
03/10/2009, 09:28 am
I actually enjoyed Command. My only complaint about it is that I had to brake my hand, twist it into an unrecognizable shape, and let it heal like that before I could work those damn controls.

Ray-The-Sun
03/10/2009, 09:51 am
The gameplay was enjoyable for the most part, But the dialogue was so bad it made me want to grow a third hand so I could Facepalm myself while playing, The stupid repetition (Shoot enemies, get stars, Run into spaceship, get stars, Shoot down missile- Guess what! Get stars.) And how many characters lacked locking entirely. Also, a story may not be entirely necessary, but when you DO set up a good one from the start, You don't ruin it and you certainly don't make the player hate some of their favorite characters.

purple_monkfish
03/11/2009, 04:06 pm
I'll vote for the death of adventure games. Thankfully they're starting to claw their way back but the heyday of point and click adventure gaming is gone. It's sad.

oh! And games created for the passion of the game, not because it'll sell. These days, games like Loom wouldn't even get a chance because omg, commercial success so much more important!
The Wii has helped that a little though. so yay!

I miss shareware, I miss the era of adventure games, I miss really random and strange games lol.

Unfortunately it's all pretty pretty graphics and no soul. Here's hoping that trend dies soon.

Harley Quinn
03/12/2009, 08:48 am
The death of Adventure games.

Amen me brother!

Marduk
03/13/2009, 04:57 am
When people started to attribute violence to games.

Lawyers who built their careers by trying to outlaw violent games.

The fact that parents didn't stop to think 'should I let my child play this game'? (This is something far older than computer games, going back to movies and lord knows what before that).

Ray-The-Sun
03/13/2009, 10:25 am
and lord knows what before that

I know what;
Comic books
Novels
and going back far enough, Education.

But back on topic, People saying that Video games are bad because they feature violence deserve to be flogged/Whipped/beaten, Especially those who think Madworld will 'Ruin their gaming console' *facepalm.jpg* Okay, They deserve to be removed from society because their low IQ scores are a plague on the glorious face of society.

Marduk
03/13/2009, 01:26 pm
I know what;
Comic books
Novels
and going back far enough, Education.I was actually going to say comics, but the time of comic book controversy was before mine; I just don't know enough about that. I took know that a lot of newsagents have lists of what magazines should be kept on the 'Top Shelf' and most comic shops should know enough about their products to know what should and shouldn't be sold to children.

While there has always been graphic violence in comics (although the violence in the comics of way back whence would be shrugged off and ignored by most parents when compared to what's available today).

I don't think controversy around comics or any other literary medium has ever compared to that that computer games face today.

But back on topic, People saying that Video games are bad because they feature violence deserve to be flogged/Whipped/beaten, Especially those who think Madworld will 'Ruin their gaming console' *facepalm.jpg* Okay, They deserve to be removed from society because their low IQ scores are a plague on the glorious face of society. Well I think that these people should have their say but it does seem that they're trying to stifle the voices of those who would oppose them. There have been studies where those who have conducted them have been asked by anti-video game lobbyists to change the phrasing in certain parts of their findings. eg, a phrase like 'figures show a correlation between youth violence and video games' would become 'figures should youth violence is caused by video games'. (I am paraphrasing, sorry). There was one case of this happening last year. I wish I could give more specific details about this but this was just an article I stumbled across, I didn't think to book market.

But saying there's a correlation is a far fairer thing to say as it means that young people who are naturally attracted to violence (sociopaths, for example) would be naturally attracted to violence in games.

Also, what’s “Madworld”?

Ray-The-Sun
03/13/2009, 02:24 pm
Also, what’s “Madworld”?

A game made by Sega where the main colors are Black, White and Red. It's basically a Game show mixed with a Meat house. You get points for killing in style too. I think there's a censored advert somewhere.

thanatos56
03/13/2009, 05:49 pm
Okay, here's a recent thing that depressed me. Resident Evil 5 is being accused of racism because the vast majority of the people you kill are black. That would make sense, if it weren't for the fact that the game takes place in Africa, the people you kill are infected zombies, there are black people on your team, and (this is what really gets me) there were no racist accusations against Resident Evil 4, despite the fat that almost everyone you fought was Spanish. I wish people would just learn to relax.

TrogLlama
03/13/2009, 06:03 pm
Okay, here's a recent thing that depressed me. Resident Evil 5 is being accused of racism because the vast majority of the people you kill are black. That would make sense, if it weren't for the fact that the game takes place in Africa, the people you kill are infected zombies, there are black people on your team, and (this is what really gets me) there were no racist accusations against Resident Evil 4, despite the fat that almost everyone you fought was Spanish. I wish people would just learn to relax.
Repeat to yourself, 'It's just a game, I should really just relax' for Mystery Zombie Theater 5000!
[Surf chord]

Emi
03/15/2009, 09:03 am
I can name a decent one, although it's not very big:
When iD software gave up on making the last Commander Keen trilogy (The Universe Is Toast!) in favor of FPSes. :P
I couldn't agree with you more. At least iD was nice enough to release almost all the games on Steam.

One of the most disappointing moments in gaming history for me was what we got for Ultima IX. From really dumb questions that the Avatar could ask, What are gargoyles?, all so to ease people new to Ultima into the game (although why someone new to Ultima would pick something labeled as the ninth installment I don't know) to the absolutely awful explanation of the Guardian's origins which has got to be the worst moment in the game. Hack's Ultima Page (http://hacki.bootstrike.com/english/nitpicks_u9.htm) has a decent sized list of nitpicks of the game.

jp-30
03/15/2009, 02:28 pm
How has this not been mentioned yet (I guess because very good things came from it in the form of Telltale Games, but still)?

3 March 2004
LucasArts has decided to stop production on Sam & Max

"After careful evaluation of current market place realities and underlying economic considerations, we've decided that this was not the appropriate time to launch a graphic adventure on the PC" says Mike Nelson, Acting General Manager and VP of Finance and Operations. There is currently no plan to reduce staff.

Marduk
03/16/2009, 10:02 am
How has this not been mentioned yet (I guess because very good things came from it in the form of Telltale Games, but still)?

A blessing in disguise :)

JohnCervin
03/18/2009, 04:40 am
:confused:When, oh When, is LucasArts going to Re-Release Sam and Max Hit the Road for Windows Vista? Or have they completely given up on old PC gamers?!:(

Shen-Zhi
03/18/2009, 05:34 am
:confused:When, oh When, is LucasArts going to Re-Release Sam and Max Hit the Road for Windows Vista? Or have they completely given up on old PC gamers?!:(

if you still have the disc/s you can play them in vista (or any other windows version) by using the scumm virtual machine (www.scummvm.org). i'm using the options: fullscreen / graphics mode: HQ3x

works for all my old lucasarts adventure games!

mariofan1000
04/12/2009, 01:39 pm
I'll vote for the death of adventure games. Thankfully they're starting to claw their way back but the heyday of point and click adventure gaming is gone.. It's sad.

oh! And games created for the passion of the game, not because it'll sell. These days, games like Loom wouldn't even get a chance because omg, commercial success so much more important!
The Wii has helped that a little though. so yay!

I miss shareware, I miss the era of adventure games, I miss really random and strange games lol.

Unfortunately it's all pretty pretty graphics and no soul. Here's hoping that trend dies soon.

You are posting on a forum for a gaming company that has only made point and clicks.

ShaggE
04/12/2009, 01:48 pm
^ Look a couple of words back. One company consistently putting out point n' clicks does not constitute a "heyday". Barely even a "heyminute". And certainly not a "heyfortnight".

Iron Curtain
04/13/2009, 02:29 pm
I'm pretty surprised nobody mentioned the death of SNK. We're up to five pages and yet we get the "Death of Adventure games" despite them still being available (Telltale, Ace Attorney, Broken Sword, etc.). Better there be a cult following of Adventure games than they not exist at all.

Edit: Come to think of it, the same could be said about SNK...

Alucard
04/21/2009, 03:44 am
Worst things in the game industry:

The following companies going out of business

- Black Isle
-Troika Games
-Flagship Studios (I saw so little from them before they folded)
(I'm sure I'm missing a couple other big ones)


Significant sad events:

- Rise and fall of LucasArts
- Rise of EA and subsequent buyout of BioWare
- Rise and fall of Lionhead Studios
- Sony E3 2006 $599 USD Rrrrridge Racer!
- Nintendo E3 2008 Wii Music
- Rise of casual games
- Rise of mmorpg
- Fall of the adventure game (Tim Schafer making action adventure instead of adventure. Ron Gilbert not making anything good since MI2)
- Koei making the same game over and over
- Failure of the Dreamcast


Funny events:

Duke Nukem Forever

someguyfromazoo
04/27/2009, 06:29 pm
Never forget games that ended up looking promising, then playing like crap.
I could make an entire Photo Slide. I don't have many adventure games, because the first one I had ever seen, I can't remember the name to. I was young. My dad had it, and showed it to me. All I can remember is it involved some prince getting some princess from some forced marriage, some weird area with chess pieces, killing the Minotaur and getting two people back to life by taking up the Devil's challenge of
making him cry, which you used a mirror for. And there was some weird sword fight at the end, and some genie. All I remember.
Here has to be the most sad moment in gaming history, The fact Nintendo refuses to re-release EarthBound, when all they have to do is get the rights to have some songs similar to some real songs. How difficult can that be, honestly.

Gary
04/30/2009, 03:48 pm
I'm pretty surprised nobody mentioned the death of SNK. We're up to five pages and yet we get the "Death of Adventure games" despite them still being available (Telltale, Ace Attorney, Broken Sword, etc.). Better there be a cult following of Adventure games than they not exist at all.

Edit: Come to think of it, the same could be said about SNK...

SNK is still around... there was a new-ish Metal Slug game, as well as King of Fighters XII coming out this summer. Sure, they aren't pumping out quarter-munchers like Super Baseball 2020 or Windjammers, but they're not dead.

Ignatius
05/02/2009, 04:09 pm
The raping of Simon the Sorcerer. Courtesy of some germans guys.

Homestarlover
05/10/2009, 06:47 pm
Atari. Nothing else.

someguyfromazoo
05/12/2009, 08:03 pm
The entire game Mother 3?

Trica
05/13/2009, 02:49 pm
Ooh, I definitely have one.

As a huge Rayman fan, it was a sad, sad moment when the highly anticipated Rayman 4 was trashed and changed into Raving Rabbids instead. God. :( The E3 video was so awesome, Michel Ancel was the leader of the project.. it was just screaming for the chance of being another great platform/adventure masterpiece in Rayman's history.. But Nooo. Suddenly they got the beta kit of the Wii, and decide "hey, let's make a minigame collection instead!" And Ancel.. just disappeared into some other projects.

I SERIOUSLY hope that the upcoming "Rabbids Go Home" will be the last thing we see out of those bunnies. :mad: I really want to see another Rayman platformer to see a light of the day.. and it shall be something that DOES NOT mock him up as a clown.

Sorry, my little rant. :D

someguyfromazoo
05/13/2009, 03:01 pm
I really want to see another Rayman platformer to see a light of the day.. and it shall be something that DOES NOT mock him up as a clown.

Wow! Just this day, I read a letter about that in an issue of Nintendo Power, and Rayman WILL come back, someday, according to whoever answers letters down at Nintendo Power.

Trica
05/18/2009, 06:04 am
Wow! Just this day, I read a letter about that in an issue of Nintendo Power, and Rayman WILL come back, someday, according to whoever answers letters down at Nintendo Power.

Hehe, I wonder who it was who said it. :D Sure, it has been speculated a lot, but I'd still like to know a proper announcement from Ubisoft or something. All they keep talking about is these rabbids all the time, even now. D:

..but I'm glad to hear someone took the trouble to write on the Nintendo Power about this!

Darkblade07
05/18/2009, 07:02 am
Wow, Aeris was in FFIV
Yeah,I think Aerith Dying in FFVII was more of a tragedy
but, when it comes to gaming....Crash Bandicoot is the worst game ever now
if naughty dog didn't sell it they would be rich right now

Alucard
05/18/2009, 08:28 am
I guess duke nukem can go in the sad column now that it is canned.

yogurtmano86753090
05/18/2009, 03:09 pm
i liked crash but now it just epicly fails

deadlinejon
05/18/2009, 03:14 pm
i want a PSN card, so i can re-purchase the first three crash bandacoot games for my psp.
6$a game is cheap though.
but i dont use credit cards for this sort of thing.

Darkblade07
05/19/2009, 07:44 am
i bought crash warped for my psp then once i got the ps3 i downloaded it onto there...runs like a dream

dankirk
06/03/2009, 06:04 pm
Hey Goozers, I want to make a video about the top ten saddest moments in the video game industry, but didn't know which ones to choose. Any suggestions? An example for an answer is "When Naughty Dog gave up the Crash Bandicoot franchise." not [SPOILER]"When Aeris dies in FFIV."[SPOILER/]

When Looking Glass Studios closed its doors. The Thief games they made were the best!

Fizzywix
06/07/2009, 12:09 pm
When the beast is going to die in The Last Guardian :[

Fulvio75
06/09/2009, 02:39 am
the .NET framework arise and, consequently, the death of every "good" programmer!

Rulzern
06/11/2009, 09:35 am
(...)Tim Schafer making action adventure instead of adventure(...)
Considering the amazing awesomeness that is called Psychonauts, I wouldn't call this a bad thing.

I'll have to say that the saddest moments for me were LucasArts stopping making adventure games, the end of the Space Quest series, the end of the Elite series and Appeal going bankrupt (I want Outcast 2 :().