Possible explanation to the 'Pirate God' thing

[Marduk]

I do not want to re-ignite that whole 'paganism' thing, here.

I think a lot of people have been reading into that and making assumptions when they should really wait until that episode is released and we can see what it means for ourselves. (Remember; never ‘Assume’, it makes an ‘Ass’ out of ‘u’ and ‘me’).

Anyways, I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, yet, so I figured I'd point it out myself.

In EMI (I slightly dislike that abbreviation and anything that makes me think about major record labels) there was a deranged ghost who had come to see LeChuck in a slightly absurd way and started a church in his name. The whole thing looked not completely unlike many Christian chapels, except for a lava 'flume' ride that went right through it (which served as part of the wedding service where LeChuck was to marry Elaine). Guybrush was even considered to be the "Anti-LeChuck". (There was a bit of recurring theme that nobody would believe that Guybrush was who he said he was, usually because he didn't meet their descriptions).

[Mike Haley]

This really needs to end. Has everyone already forgotten about Sam & Max 205: What's New, Beelzebub? Last time I checked, Satan was in the game. I don't remember this much of a ruckus when that first came out. It's just a video game.

[Marduk]

I thought speculating on a logical reason for the title was at least more constructive...

[Mike Haley]

Sure, but it always seems to lead to a religious debate, and that does not make the moderator gods happy.

Also, nice avatar.

[Secret Fawful]

No, it'll remain civil as long as nobody is going crazy over it. We need to all remember that anything in the game is there for the sake of tasteful humor. Marduk's theory is rational and I don't see where it would offend anybody.

[Armakuni]

Hahaha, this is the weirdest stuff I've seen in a long time.

Who the hell cares if there is god in the title :D
It's so ridiculous, haha :D

[Mike Haley]

No, it'll remain civil as long as nobody is going crazy over it. We need to all remember that anything in the game is there for the sake of tasteful humor. Marduk's theory is rational and I don't see where it would offend anybody.
Okay, for the sake of tasteful humor, let us consider the fact that Guybrush cannot die in Monkey Island. This begs the question, is he a god?

PS. I know about the joke that spoofs the Save/Restore/Quit screen found in many Sierra games.

[LuigiHann]

This begs the question, is he a god?

You better be careful what you say; The only thing more painful than an online discussion about religion is an online discussion about grammar/vocabulary as they apply to phrases like "begs the question" :p

[Secret Fawful]

Okay, for the sake of tasteful humor, let us consider the fact that Guybrush cannot die in Monkey Island. This begs the question, is he a god?

PS. I know about the joke that spoofs the Save/Restore/Quit screen found in many Sierra games.

He died in CMI. :p

[Mike Haley]

He died in CMI. :p
Yeah, but he is resurrected soon after. All praise our lord and savior, Guybrush Threepwood.

By the way, that is one of the funniest moments in CMI (spoilers, obviously):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rREKIPsDi6g

[thesporkman]

I thought the Flying Spaghetti Monster was the pirate god?

[tredlow]

In my opinion, they're saying 'Pirate God' like how they would call a rock star a 'Rock God'.

[PariahKing]

As a (very) conservative Christian, I was not offended by the God title. I did not even pause. There's a difference between mocking God and referencing a fictional God - unless you have zero discerning abilities, "god" being in the title of a video game has no danger whatsoever.

[lmi]

I'm sorry, Ixi, it was childish of me to make this thread.

actually, im honoured. 2 days on this forum got me so popular, that there was a whole thread started in my name))))) oh, and its LMI.

I think a lot of people have been reading into that

im glad that my posts got peoples thoughts steering in the right direction.

It's just a video game. well, to me (at least) its much more than that!..

We need to all remember that anything in the game is there for the sake of tasteful humor. im sorry for popping out again on this topic. but what possible funny scenario can u imagine by the phrase "rise of the pirate god" this reminds me of a title "hitler - the rise of evil". nothing funny... at all. actually, it even sounds serious. thats what makes me really upset bout it.

Who the hell cares if there is god in the title :D at least 4 ppl in this forum do. though, im sure thered b much, much more, had the poll been left open.

[Shiversul]

Yeah, but he is resurrected soon after. All praise our lord and savior, Guybrush Threepwood.

By the way, that is one of the funniest moments in CMI (spoilers, obviously):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rREKIPsDi6g

In that he states that he isnt a real person

Which means the consequences of Life and Death do not apply to him
He is not a god
he is a video game character

[Bagge]

im sorry for popping out again on this topic. but what possible funny scenario can u imagine by the phrase "rise of the pirate god" this reminds me of a title "hitler - the rise of evil". nothing funny... at all. actually, it even sounds serious. thats what makes me really upset bout it.

I truly believe you are a troll, and that you are only saying these things to get attention.

[turingmachine604]

@lmi

I really don't see how you can be offended by the title.

Obviously, I don't know all the details so I have to assume some details...

Okay first, seeing as LeChuck regularly practices Voodoo and has been a ghost/zombie/demon I think it's safe to assume LeChuck is NOT a practicing Christian.

So if the title refers to LeChuck... in his belief system he has become a pirate God. Since he isn't Christian, this in no way competes with the Christian concept of God, nor does it say anything about the Christian God. Additionally, since it is his belief system it in no way means you have to accept it as him becoming a god.

It's exactly the same as you meeting a practicing Hindu in real life, and you being offended because they call something a god and they worship that god. You don't have to agree with them or accept their beliefs, but it is entirely wrong of you to be offended at that.

You said, in another post, that people should be free to have whatever religious beliefs they want. So... why can't LeChuck have his own religious beliefs?

[LuigiHann]

Think less of scary pagan god concepts, and more of C-3PO in a flying chair in Return of the Jedi, and you'll probably be fine

[Armakuni]

at least 4 ppl in this forum do. though, im sure thered b much, much more, had the poll been left open.
Why? I don't get it. What's wrong with using god in a title?

[MusicallyInspired]

This is stupid.

[Mike Haley]

In that he states that he isnt a real person

Which means the consequences of Life and Death do not apply to him
He is not a god
he is a video game character
Yeah, but this whole discussion is a joke. I mean, Guybrush is clearly not a god, just as much as LeChuck is not actually a ghost pirate. Everyone needs to realize that Monkey Island does not exist in the real world.

well, to me (at least) its much more than that!..

It is just a video game. If you are making anything more of it, you need to take a hard look at yourself. If you still have a problem with it, play something else. I am sorry if anyone takes this the wrong way.

By the way, lmi, have you visited id Software's forum (http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/) yet? They have a game about hellish demons called Doom, and a game about Nazi Germany called Wolfenstein. The latter actually involves a resurrected Adolf Hitler. When you have a chance, you should pay them a visit.

PS. I think that I like the atmosphere of the Private Forum more.

[LuigiHann]

The latter actually involves a resurrected Adolf Hitler.

In an awesome robot suit with machine gun arms, no less.

[Armakuni]

This is stupid.
Yup.

[Secret Fawful]

It might sound serious, but I could see it as being one of many things. Lechuck naming himself as a "god" or Guybrush getting called a god by some natives on Monkey Island or something.

[lmi]

I truly believe you are a troll, and that you are only saying these things to get attention. looks like ur tryin 2 provoke me, so that i say something bad 2 u. u obviously underestimate MI fans.

Okay first, seeing as LeChuck regularly practices Voodoo and has been a ghost/zombie/demon I think it's safe to assume LeChuck is NOT a practicing Christian. LOL

You said, in another post, that people should be free to have whatever religious beliefs they want. So... why can't LeChuck have his own religious beliefs? lol if LeChuck believes hes a "god", thatd mean that hes a total idiot))) which, i guess actually is funny and, of course, acceptable!))) im just afraid its not so... but if it is... LOL

Why? I don't get it. What's wrong with using god in a title? k. maybe using it in a title isnt wrong (or isnt totally wrong). im just disturbed by the thought that it MIGHT turn out to b sheer disappointment like 3rd part of the 'potc'.

It is just a video game. If you are making anything more of it, you need to take a hard look at yourself. If you still have a problem with it, play something else. I am sorry if anyone takes this the wrong way. its been my favourite (or one of the most favourite) game for the last 15years or so... do u think that something loved so much can b easily dismissed just like that?

By the way, lmi, have you visited id Software's forum (http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/) yet? They have a game about hellish demons called Doom, and a game about Nazi Germany called Wolfenstein. The latter actually involves a resurrected Adolf Hitler. When you have a chance, you should pay them a visit. not sure i understand what ur getting at. at the moment, im really concerned about the content of this particular Monkey Island, not all the games in the world. besides resurrecting hitler in a pc game doesnt seem as terrible as what im afraid MIGHT b put into the game under that title. i just hope it turns out like some ppl say...

It might sound serious, but I could see it as being one of many things. Lechuck naming himself as a "god" or Guybrush getting called a god by some natives on Monkey Island or something. sure... if that’s the case...

thank u guys! some suggestions that u've made were most comforting... i really hope it turns out as well as you say...

[Mike Haley]

k. maybe using it in a title isnt wrong (or isnt totally wrong). im just disturbed by the thought that it MIGHT turn out to b sheer disappointment like 3rd part of the 'potc'.
At least we can agree on one thing. The third POTC movie sucked.

its been my favourite (or one of the most favourite) game for the last 15years or so... do u think that something loved so much can b easily dismissed just like that?
I should hope not. Tales of Monkey Island is sure to be a love letter to the fans.

not sure i understand what ur getting at. at the moment, im really concerned about the content of this particular Monkey Island, not all the games in the world. besides resurrecting hitler in a pc game doesnt seem as terrible as what im afraid MIGHT b put into the game under that title. i just hope it turns out like some ppl say...
My point is that Monkey Island is not as offensive as some of the other games on the market.

[Bagge]

looks like ur tryin 2 provoke me, so that i say something bad 2 u. u obviously underestimate MI fans.


You are not in any way representative of MI fans in general. Also, try spelling out words and use capitation when you write, instead of using "u" and "2". It's nearly impossible to understand what you are saying.

[Marduk]

if LeChuck believes hes a "god", thatd mean that hes a total idiot))) No, it would make him a narcissist. Many fictional villains tend to be, especially in fantasy and comedy.

Trying to keep this thread on topic I have another idea in regards to speculation for the meaning of the 'Pirate God'.

I've been reminded that the Caribbean is in close proximity to central america (I know it's something that those of you who actually live in the western hemisphere mightn't need reminding about but I don't and so it's not as if the map in my mind is particularly accurate) and therefore close to the former Aztec Empire (I use the word 'former' because, to the best of my knowledge, it wasn't even there by the time Monkey Island is set in).

I don't exactly consider myself 'well informed' on Aztec History but I do know that many of the kings proclaimed themselves to be gods and that they were not only revered as such but many human sacrifices were made to them.

I doubt this will be related but I was thinking of the movie 'Pirates of the Caribbean' earlier and remembered the whole deal about the cursed Aztec Gold in the original film. If somebody in the game was to proclaimed themselves a ‘pirate god’ through some Aztec ritual it would almost certainly still be LeChuck.

Please, nobody say anything about how the Aztec Kings might have been silly to proclaim themselves gods….

[Shiversul]

Yeah, but this whole discussion is a joke. I mean, Guybrush is clearly not a god, just as much as LeChuck is not actually a ghost pirate. Everyone needs to realize that Monkey Island does not exist in the real world.



It is just a video game. If you are making anything more of it, you need to take a hard look at yourself. If you still have a problem with it, play something else. I am sorry if anyone takes this the wrong way.

By the way, lmi, have you visited id Software's forum (http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/) yet? They have a game about hellish demons called Doom, and a game about Nazi Germany called Wolfenstein. The latter actually involves a resurrected Adolf Hitler. When you have a chance, you should pay them a visit.

PS. I think that I like the atmosphere of the Private Forum more.

But thats whats interesting about MI
In the game, he isnt a real person
Unlike games like Halo, Master Chief is a real person, in the game

But Guybrush is a character who knows he is not real, even within the boundaries of a video game

Does that make sense?

[Armand1880]

As a (very) conservative Christian, I was not offended by the God title. I did not even pause. There's a difference between mocking God and referencing a fictional God - unless you have zero discerning abilities, "god" being in the title of a video game has no danger whatsoever.

I can say I'm in the same boat. I'm a very conservative Christian, and this didn't phase me. It is a Pirate God...in Monkey Island...a fictional, albeit awesome, computer game. They aren't (hopefully) attacking any religions in these stories, so why get worked up?

[Laserschwert]

Due to current events I've changed my user title appropriately. Live with it.

[kblood]

Im guessing here, but lets say LeChuck makes a plague that makes zombies out of the pirates in the Carribean, and controls all of these pirates. With that many under his command, he will probably call himself a pirate god.

The whole time was full of paganism, and the area was as well. So it seems historically correct to put some paganism stuff into the game. I dont think like it will refer to any real diety. Just some messed up funny story like it usually is in Monkey Island :)

Would probably not fit in if there suddenly began to be gods in Monkey Island. Voodoo seems just about the only practiced religion in the game, and its for comical reasons of course. I hope at least one of the chapters will be about making a voodoo doll again :)

[SRTie4k]

I can say I'm in the same boat. I'm a very conservative Christian, and this didn't phase me. It is a Pirate God...in Monkey Island...a fictional, albeit awesome, computer game. They aren't (hopefully) attacking any religions in these stories, so why get worked up?

Same here. This is entirely a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. Monkey Island has never been controversial in its subject matter. It's always been about ridiculous, slapstick and sarcastic humor that doesn't take itself seriously. It's no different than Max being anointed high priest of the sea simians.

[Mike Haley]

But thats whats interesting about MI
In the game, he isnt a real person
Unlike games like Halo, Master Chief is a real person, in the game

But Guybrush is a character who knows he is not real, even within the boundaries of a video game

Does that make sense?
I see where you are going, but you may have missed my point. Just like Monkey Island, Halo does not exist in the Real World(tm). Master Chief is not someone that you would bump into on the street (unless you happen to be at one of those gaming conventions where fans dress up as their favorite characters).

I happen to be designing a game myself, and the characters take themselves quite seriously, but at the end of the day, I know that they are just characters in a video game, and if one of them professes himself to be a god, the other characters in the game may have a problem with it, but I don't see why the audience would, as he is clearly not a real person (living or dead).

As long as we are on the subject, one of my favorite Ghostbusters lines is:
Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"

[RockNRoll]

lmi , what do you fear MIGHT be put into the game? I want to know what you're specifically afraid of happening because of the "rise of the pirate god" title?

personally, i'm pretty sure whatever you're afraid of happening is exactly what i hope happens. anybody who uses the term "paganism" in the year 2009 deserves to get riled up.

[HoppyDragon]

In case anyone has forgotten, in The Secret of Monkey Island, you go to Hell. And in Escape from Monkey Island, there's an entire church for LeChuck. Nothing new to the series by any means. There may even be more that I'm missing from the other games.

[RockNRoll]

They were performing a ghost-human marriage at the end of the original Monkey Island. Doesn't that - I don't know - violate the sanctity of marriage or some BS like that?

[Irishmile]

LOL sinners

[PariahKing]

Look, I debate religion frequently. I pray, I love God.

I play Monkey Island and visit these forums to not get a philosophical view on God or politics but relax. I don't want to hear about it.

Of course, the opposite spectrum of making your user title "god..." :rolleyes:

[Irishmile]

I think its ridiculous... Relax its a game... I don't think anyone wants anyone to renounce your religion to play. I laugh at anyone who thinks there is some sort of evil agenda in any of the MI games.... HA!

[Laserschwert]

Of course, the opposite spectrum of making your user title "god..." :rolleyes:
Are you not a true believer? I shall smite you!!

[Toothless Gibbon]

Of course, the opposite spectrum of making your user title "god..." :rolleyes:

About as accurate as anyone else who has ever said they are God / Son of God / Spoken to God / Made up some stories about God.

[Marduk]

And in Escape from Monkey Island, there's an entire church for LeChuck. Actually this was mentioned in the original post.About as accurate as anyone else who has ever said they are God / Son of God / Spoken to God / Made up some stories about God. Hmm... People who say they've spoken to God... I don't really see the problem there. People do it all the time (they call it 'praying'). It's when people tell you that God replied that you should start questioning their seriousness and the authenticity of their claim.

[edit] Also this thread wasn't supposed to be an attempt to keep the 'debate' about paganism in MI going so much as it was a way for people to speculate on the title's meaning so as to calm down anybody who might have jumped the gun and started to cast aspersions before playing the game and finding out for certain what its meaning is.

[lmi]

My point is that Monkey Island is not as offensive as some of the other games on the market. different games r made in the world, today. but MI is the game i care about.

Also, try spelling out words and use capitation when you write, instead of using "u" and "2". It's nearly impossible to understand what you are saying. You do not look like a person, who even wants to understand what I write. So, why bother? If you are that annoyed due to my posts and manner of writing, I suggest you refrain from reading them.

No, it would make him a narcissist. whatever you say))

Would probably not fit in if there suddenly began to be gods in Monkey Island. sure. that'd be at the very least superfluous and excessive.

Monkey Island has never been controversial in its subject matter. lets just hope it stays that way.

anybody who uses the term "paganism" in the year 2009 and when i was just beginning to think that some ppls words about me going a bit overboard with my concerns bout the title made sense... but someone having problems with my capitalization and using the word "paganism"... lol ur comment makes it look like u've actually never seen a pagan in ur life. i have. i've even spoken to those pagans (or polytheists - if u're more comfortable with that word) and i've even had debates with them. if u know nothing about them it doesnt mean they dont exist.

In case anyone has forgotten, in The Secret of Monkey Island, you go to Hell. whatever LeChuck (maybe someone other than him did, cant quite remember) calls it, it's just a pool o lava under the island.

And in Escape from Monkey Island, there's an entire church for LeChuck. looks like you really misunderstood me. i don't think that i really mind stuff like that bein in the game, as long as the context doesn't imply that some1 is a real "diety".

They were performing a ghost-human marriage at the end of the original Monkey Island. Doesn't that - I don't know - violate the sanctity of marriage or some BS like that? oh, come on! LOL

I pray, I love God. that's good!

I laugh at anyone who thinks there is some sort of evil agenda in any of the MI games.... HA! lol

Also this thread wasn't supposed to be an attempt to keep the 'debate' about paganism in MI going so much as it was a way for people to speculate on the title's meaning so as to calm down anybody who might have jumped the gun and started to cast aspersions before playing the game and finding out for certain what its meaning is. aye! an it worked! for sure i felt much better afta readin what some ppl suggested could be put under that title.

k... so let me say a few things to conclude our debate/discussion.

i've read what different ppl (several threads) said in this forum bout the "pirates of the caribbean", an i can say, that ppl didn't like the third part. so, those of us, who watched that last part, didn't like it, though, maybe the other two parts weren't that bad... so, what was wrong with potc3? what made it such a disaster?

* the plot? nah, generally, t wasn't so bad. actually some stuff like going to another dimension by flipping the ship upside down were some interesting ideas!

* the humour? i don't think that Johnny Depp was less funny in this movie than the previous ones (maybe a bit crazier, but not less funny, i think).

* the special effects? no way! the scene where the two pirate ships were shooting each other while being drawn into the whirlpool was breathtaking (as i remember it in the cinema)!

so what spoiled such a fun, interesting film? ah, yes... it was the "sea god" (or whatever) story they put in the movie that utterly ruined it! sure, my posts could have seen like logic of a madman at FIRST GLANCE, but after a while, even people who opposed me at the beginning began to see reason behind them. and, i want to thank Marduk for this thread. and, i want to thank those guys, who tried their best to reassure me that TTG probably isn't putting anything bad under that title.

of course i never meant to oppose stuff like CMI "volcano god" (oh, come on - a bunch of idiots, calling themselves VEGETERIAN cannibals, worshipping a volcano can't be taken seriously!), what i am opposing is stuff like that in potc. i really hope that Telltale learn a lesson from disney's mistakes, and make TMI the right way!

If we all agree with this, let's just call it a day, and end this discussion. Thank you Telltale Crew for this opportunity for us, MI fans, to freely express our opinion (and, hopefully, be heard)!

[Mike Haley]

For the record, the reason that I disliked the third POTC movie was that Captain Jack Sparrow dies at the end of the second movie, and therefore, the plot takes a while to develop in the third. In addition to that, the finale was a sad one. Will Turner is doomed to sail the seven seas for the rest of eternity, while his beloved holds onto his still beating heart.

I don't remember anything about a "sea god." I don't know why anyone would take offense at something as silly as that, though. Clearly, there is no actual sea god.

Ghost Pirate: "You have enraged the mighty sea god!"
Me: "Seriously? Oh, I'm so scared."

Emphasis on sarcasm.

[thesporkman]

(Post deleted. LuigiHann's right. No need to continue this discussion.)

[LuigiHann]

This is really not a discussion that needs to occur.

[lmi]

p.s.: it'd be nice if we got an official comment on the matter... or at least, if this poll (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8829) was reopened [not necessarily the thread, at least just the POLL]

[Steverin0]

This is really not a discussion that needs to occur.

Agreed.

[Dan2593]

Jesus whats up with people crying over the title.

It will probably just be LeChuck getting godly powers.

[thatdude98]

I truly believe you are a troll, and that you are only saying these things to get attention.

Hey, we talking George Lucas in a troll suit here, or a TROLL troll?

[turingmachine604]

This thread was dead for over a month, with the OP just today bumping it.

Everyone please let it die again...

[pantagruel]

yuck

[PariahKing]

This thread should die a painful death.

[thatdude98]

This thread should die a painful death.

I, MURRAY, HAVE ALREADY KILLED IT! I CARRIED IT TO HECK ON A SILVER PIKE BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dang it, Murray! Stop hogging the keyboard!