Graphic Intensive - Huge Mistake [Archive]

Guinea

07/08/2009, 04:12 am

I played this on Vista with a 1.6 dual core celeron, 2gb RAM, and a 9800GT 512mb nvidia card and had no slowdown what so ever.

Oh this was on 1024x768 and graphics level 9 too.

Kinda this, just that my graphics card sucks balls. I could only play it on 640x480 and with details on 7, which I kinda expected, because as said, my gfx card sucks.

Also:
>This is monkey island - the developers seemed to have lost focus as to what this game is truly about.

It is about playing it on hi-res with details on very high?

Bagge

07/08/2009, 04:13 am

No problems whatsoever here. Running the game in 1680 x 1050 resolution on graphics level 9.

HoppyDragon

07/08/2009, 04:15 am

Even the best computers with fast processors and souped up graphics cards are suffering from slow downs on this game.
Really? I didn't have a single slow down at all. Ran beautifully with graphics at level 9, resolution set to 1680x1050, anti-aliasing at 8x and ansitropic filtering at 16x, and my computer is almost two years old now.

IThis is monkey island - the developers seemed to have lost focus as to what this game is truly about.
You're joking, right? First people complain the graphics aren't good enough, now they're too good?

ReluctantDM

07/08/2009, 04:16 am

Runs fine on my computer and it's 3+ years old!

Jonasb78

07/08/2009, 04:17 am

You're joking, right? First people complain the graphics aren't good enough, now they're too good?

Huge difference between graphic intense and good graphics!

Toothbrush Creepwood

07/08/2009, 04:19 am

Really? I didn't have a single slow down at all. Ran beautifully with graphics at level 9, resolution set to 1680x1050, anti-aliasing at 8x and ansitropic filtering at 16x, and my computer is almost two years old now.

You're joking, right? First people complain the graphics aren't good enough, now they're too good?

People will complain about everything. Thats whar we do!

And right now, im complaining about the complains! ARGH!

Fishsnot

07/08/2009, 04:19 am

Runs fine @ 1680x1050 and Graphics set to 9 with my year old imac running in bootcamp with Vista.
By the way Telltale, GREAT GAME. Thank you!

Chris1

07/08/2009, 04:20 am

I've got mine with all of the settings tweaked up to their fullest.

Oddly enough I've seen some stutter on the main menu which is probably the least graphic-intensive bit, but apart from that it's been fine.

Jerec84

07/08/2009, 04:20 am

Gonna be getting more RAM and a better graphics card soon from a friend. Hopefully that fixes me up.

Zoulz

07/08/2009, 04:21 am

Quadcore 2,66ghz
4gb RAM
Nvidia geforce 9800 gtx+
windows 7

Runs smoothly at 1440x900. :)

HoppyDragon

07/08/2009, 04:22 am

Huge difference between graphic intense and good graphics!
The graphics aren't intensive.

I have no sympathy for people if they don't bother to make sure their computer is capable of running a game. It's not like it's a new concept to make sure your computer meets the requirements for a game. When you're setting the graphics level lower, you're mostly just disabling the shaders and using a lower texture quality. Really, going down to level 3 is not a bad thing. I played on level 1 for a few minutes and the difference wasn't so huge that someone playing at a low graphic level should feel that they're really lacking a whole lot from the game.

If graphics truly aren't important, as the OP seems to be saying, playing on level 1 shouldn't be a problem.

ShaggE

07/08/2009, 04:23 am

I have a middle-of-the-road PC with a low-end graphics card, and I'm running it at full settings. Perhaps the issue is on your end?

Shale

07/08/2009, 04:26 am

I'm running a two-year-old PC with a Geforce 7900 (i.e. not exactly state of the art) and got only mild choppiness at maximum resolution and graphics quality. Dropped the resolution back to 1024x768, and it runs like a dream. A piratey, porcelain-filled dream.

Lorith

07/08/2009, 04:26 am

What are you talking about? The game ran smoothly, and I don't have a computer to brag about!
Loved it.

xChri5x

07/08/2009, 04:27 am

the developers seemed to have lost focus as to what this game is truly about.

Monkeys?

larys

07/08/2009, 04:27 am

i have a laptop with vist 2Ghz intel 2 duo cpu and 3GB ram and Nvidia geforce 9600 gt. with resolution 1280X800 and some slow downs occur but not freguently.

GaryCXJk

07/08/2009, 04:29 am

Ran it, got slowdowns on the title screen, wished my lappy was fixed, closed the game.

Windows XP, Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU, Radeon X1300/X1550 Series, with 2 GB of RAM.

jp-30

07/08/2009, 04:41 am

So you didn't bother to go past the title screen?

???

Duran72

07/08/2009, 04:43 am

I don't know why but after visit the town i go to the forest then i go back to the town i will have a 25/30fps!! i don't understand why this change? it usually go to 60fps... i have the latest drivers and i have a very good PC to run the game!

Intel Dual Core 6600 2.4, 8800GTS (OC), 4Gb

I'm playing at 1680x1050 quality level 9 (the first time i play it all run at 60fps with no problem....)

Any helps?

Thanks!

DjNDB

07/08/2009, 05:01 am

Really, going down to level 3 is not a bad thing.
Exactly. I only have a 7600GT and had to play in level 3 at 1920x1200. I'm glad i could play well in that resolution at all.
After playing through the game i made some screenshots of Level 9 and Level 3 for comparison.
It doesn't look different in a way that would really matter to me. It seems to be mainly some lightning and Antialiasing.
Before i played it i considered buying a new Graphic Card, because i wanted to play in level 9 and saw how it ran in the W&G demo. However for now i am fine with my passively cooled 7600GT.

Just for amusement: Besides that really slow GPU i have a Phenom II X4 420. I usually don't play other games than Telltales Adventures.

Dougald

07/08/2009, 05:03 am

Nope. No problems playing the game here at all.

Only issue I had was the game refuses to start from a shortcut for some reason, but I'm putting that down to the fact I'm running Windows 7, which isn't even out yet

OzzieMonkey

07/08/2009, 05:14 am

harlequ1n

07/08/2009, 05:17 am

Well I'm playing on my 2006 iMac (Core2Duo, 2GB RAM, ATI X1600 256MB) and it plays wonderfully.

Ryekatcher

07/08/2009, 05:21 am

Intel Q6600, gf gtx 285, 4 gigs ram, Windows 7 x64, all settings on max, 1920x1200, no performance issues.

lparcshinoda

07/08/2009, 05:28 am

I'm running it fine on a year+ old laptop. so, +1 here.

I'm running fine ;)

GaryCXJk

07/08/2009, 05:30 am

So you didn't bother to go past the title screen?

???

I don't bother since I don't plan on finishing it on my desktop anyway.

Also, navigating with 15 FPS isn't fun at all.

thin029

07/08/2009, 05:31 am

I runned it with Q6600 Core 2 Quad 2,6. geforce 9600 512 video. 4 gb memory and it had no slowdowns at all.

Motox

07/08/2009, 05:37 am

I'm playing on a Thinkpad T60, dual core, ATI X1300 and i had to lower the detail to 3 to play smooth, the X1300 isnt very fast ( most games i need to tweak the details ) but perhaps there's an issue with ATI chipsets ?

Whats' the difference between the level of details ? Am I missing something playing at a lower detail ?

DjNDB

07/08/2009, 05:41 am

Whats' the difference between the level of details ? Am I missing something playing at a lower detail ?

Here you go:

After playing through the game i made some screenshots of Level 9 and Level 3 for comparison.
It doesn't look different in a way that would really matter to me. It seems to be mainly some lightning and Antialiasing.

rhaith

07/08/2009, 05:56 am

Running fine on all my computers. Maybe you should remove all the malware on your computer and stay away from the free porn downloads.

Dark Byte

07/08/2009, 05:59 am

SANAFABICH

07/08/2009, 06:00 am

I played the demo and had no problems with a 1.9 ghz x2 dual core cpu, 2 GB RAM and a radeon x1950pro.

rhaith

07/08/2009, 06:04 am

It ran fine on my vista 64, 12GB ram, 295GTX at 1680x1050 at level 9 , did have borders at the top and bottom (for no reason since the game could easily have rendered the missing spots) but that's the only 'graphical' annoyance

These borders are maintaining the aspect ratio of the window. 1680x1050 is a 16:10 resolution. The borders are maintaining the 16:9 ratio. A lot of games these days that come out for console and PC are developed with a TV screen in mind and most, if not all, consumer TVs are 16:9.

Kord

07/08/2009, 06:05 am

No, no, no, no, no...

Monkey Island is ALL about graphics! Yes, graphics, in all its 16-colour EGA wonder! And what do you need a m-o-u-s-e- for? There's nothing that beats typing LOOK ROOM, OPEN DOOR, KILL DRAGON...(oh, wait, that was King's Quest!)

:p

Forrest_GIMP

07/08/2009, 06:13 am

GaryCXJk

07/08/2009, 06:13 pm

Small bump, but protip, don't make the title screen more graphic intensive. I almost literally had to throw my keyboard out of the window each time I tried to save.

All that thick jungle could have also worked with transparent DDSes.

Tacobob

07/08/2009, 06:28 pm

I'm running a heavily upgraded 3 year old computer with Windows 7..It ran perfectly..Loaded quickly. Not a single problem.

matrixduck

07/08/2009, 06:59 pm

Really? I thought Telltale could stand to update their engine a little bit to be honest. Though the last adventure game I played was Dreamfall, and maybe I played a little too much Crysis lol

Frogacuda

07/08/2009, 07:00 pm

It seems like very few people are running this game without issue. Even the best computers with fast processors and souped up graphics cards are suffering from slow downs on this game.
No, it's just people trying to run it on their grandmother's laptop that are having issues. The system requirements are extremely low compared to other games on the market, and my fairly cheap computer can run it at 60fps at full detail and very high resolutions. I'm afraid your survey information is incorrect.

There's a problem in the PC gaming market where people seem to be on extremes. There are people witch computers that are technologically 7-8 years old (including laptops with no true 3D acceleration, etc), and then there are people with real computers. The fact is, you can make a PC that can play this fine for like $200. It's not a demanding game. But there are still people with worse systems like that that don't play games but think they can try this one.

Liquid-X

07/08/2009, 07:35 pm

I'm running the game on a Pentium 4 2.93 GHZ CPU (That's not a dual core CPU) with a ATI Radeon 3650 HD, and have the graphics up to 9 with no slowdown in sight.

(Which is more then I can say for Warhammer Online, which eats my computer alive)

TofuHead

07/08/2009, 07:43 pm

My system runs WoW and Call of Duty 5 with no problems. With TOMI though... :\

Foodie_Monster

07/08/2009, 07:47 pm

I played this game on two systems with absolutely no problems at all. The first system is a PC running on a Core 2 Duo 2.2Ghz, 2GB of RAM, GeForce 9500GT 512mb and on Windows 7 RC. Graphics quality was set to 9, at 1440x900.

The other one was my 2007 white Macbook, Core 2 Duo 2.2ghz, 1GB of RAM and integrated graphics (GMA X3100, which is crappy as crap can be). It was running on Graphics Quality to 3, at 1280x800. Anything past 3 would result in a lot of lag/slowdown, but that's the integrated graphics fault.

Really, this game ran really well on both systems.

Secret Fawful

07/08/2009, 07:52 pm

I have a Nvidia 5200 graphics card, and I had to set it down all the way to number 3. No bloom or fancy blur effects for me anytime soon. D: But I AM pretty outdated on that end. Half-Life 2 won't even run right.

sabrateur

07/08/2009, 07:53 pm

I guess the game is more forgiving on processors than graphics cards.

My PC has an old single-core Socket 939 Athlon 2.0GHz, but I recently upgraded the graphics card to an ATI 4670. It ran superbly at 1280x720 graphics setting 9.

Maybe the trouble people is having is with old graphics cards.

Super Bosco

07/08/2009, 08:19 pm

I didn't have one problem and the game looked fantastic.

Frogacuda

07/08/2009, 08:25 pm

I guess the game is more forgiving on processors than graphics cards.
It's forgiving on graphics cards too. The problem is that scumbag laptop manufacturers make systems with chipsets that can't even meet the 6 year old DX8 standard and users who don't know any better. It'll work just fine with a $20 video card, but you'd be shocked at the number of people with far less than that in their laptop and just don't know/understand.

parabolee

07/08/2009, 08:29 pm

I ran it on 6 1014x768 on my laptop (2.6 core duo, 3gig ram, not sure what the card is but it's only 4 months old). Running on my HDTV (upscaling to 720p) gave me free anti-aliasing and it looked great. The difference between 6 and 9 is very small. So I can't complain.

Had some weird issue's with my Windows 7 desktop though. It should have ran better tha my laptop but even windowed at 800x600 it had to be set to 1 to run smoothly! But I guess that's because it wasn't designed for Win7 yet.

Even got it running ok on my MacbookAir via Crossover (commercial version of Wine) at 1280x720 and graphical quality 3!

hammy797

07/08/2009, 08:42 pm

You're joking, right? First people complain the graphics aren't good enough, now they're too good?

Haha, this was exactly what I was thinking. Personally, I had to play the game on level 6 or so with a little lag, but that just makes me happy that I could someday play through the game with higher quality graphics on a better computer...

Zeik56

07/08/2009, 08:44 pm

If graphics aren't an issue then why does it matter if you have to drop the graphics quality down to 3 or so for it to run smoothly? It sounds like you're just upset you can't play it at optimal graphics on your computer.

Milhouse911

07/08/2009, 08:45 pm

I ran it at 1920x1080 and a quality setting of 9 and had zero problems. Everything looked fantastic. Of course, my PC is a beast! I had no letterbox bars on my screen because my monitor is a true 16:9.

It made me so glad I got it on PC instead of waiting for the Wii version, because Wii can't go higher than 480p.

fergusdog

07/08/2009, 08:52 pm

old computer - highest settings - no problems.

Vegan

07/08/2009, 09:08 pm

I'm actually quite surprised to hear all the people having performance issues, having to dial the graphics all the way down to 1. What kind of dusty computers are you guys using?

kenwoods

07/08/2009, 09:08 pm

No slow downs here.
Worked perfect on the highest resolution (1280x1024) and level 9 detail.
Don't change anything about the detail, Telltale!
It's amazing!

Vista
2.66Ghz Quad Core
4GB Memory
Geforce 9600GT

Tacobob

07/08/2009, 09:27 pm

Oh durn. Doesn't work at all on my XT. DARN YOU TELLTALE!!!

Frogacuda

07/08/2009, 09:32 pm

I have a 286/10 Mhz, and a brand new EGA (that's ENHANCED graphics adapter) card, and DOS 4.0 is telling me that the executable is not valid. What gives?

Zethos

07/08/2009, 09:34 pm

If this game is graphic intensive then every other new game out there must be from a future age. If you cant run this game Im honestly amazed your computer turns on.

I had it on the highest settings and I play at 1920 by 1200. Though I do have a 2.66 ghz quad core i7 processor and 4gb of ram,and a 512mb Radeon HD 4870 i ran this game on my old machine that has all junk parts and it worked. that thing has a single core processor still and a 256mb card. and 1.5 gb of ram.

ShaggE

07/08/2009, 09:55 pm

I have a 286/10 Mhz, and a brand new EGA (that's ENHANCED graphics adapter) card, and DOS 4.0 is telling me that the executable is not valid. What gives?

Pshaw. Nowadays, it's all about VGA! They're even talking about SVGA being out soon! And hellooooo! Windows 3.11? a.k.a the future of gaming? With my rig, Wolfenstein 3D runs with almost no slowdown at all! (until an enemy appears)
:p

TofuHead

07/08/2009, 09:58 pm

It's fine for all of you who are running it perfectly, but I have no idea why mine wont run smoothly set to 9. There are audio skips, there's terrible lag and even at 5, the mouse is not smooth by any means. I have an Intel Core 2 duo, 4gb of ram, a 256MB GeForce 8400M , etc. etc. There's no reason it shouldn't run fine--hell, it runs Dreamfall, everything in the Orange box, ALL the Unreal Tournaments without a hitch and yet I still have issues with TOMI.

Frogacuda

07/08/2009, 10:12 pm

onemanandhisdroid

07/08/2009, 10:27 pm

So what now? On the one side there's gamers complaining about the game looking like something made in 1996, on the other there's people bitching it won't run maxed out on their 30$ video chips and seven years old systems alike. :D

The 8400M is a pretty low-end card.

It is. It was never meant for gaming at all - I've got an 8600GT which isn't a super duper gaming card itself. However, it's twice the card that an 8500GT is and 8400 is obviously below both of them. I think I had a tiny little bit of stuttering during the prologue. My uneducated guess tells me this has something to do with some of the volumetric effects, the fog and so on that might bog the engine more down than it probably should. But the game's mighty fine on that card, naturally.

What resolution are you people playing on, by the way? Playing with a Geforce8400M in anything above 1280x1024 pixels is probably not such a good idea, particularly if you're intend to run the game at its maximum settings. I dunno if there's anti-aliasing on by default, but you can also make sure to put all of it off in the driver settings. This can slow down lesser cards immensely. As does cranking up the screen resolution.

However, reading about those audio skips there might be something else wrong with that system at hand. Outdated drivers, for example.

TofuHead

07/08/2009, 10:31 pm

It may not be the latest card, but it should be well over the requirements for TMI. I would have thought Dreamfall was more graphics intensive than TMI.

Snader

07/08/2009, 10:38 pm

Playing this fine on graphics level 9 on a 3 year old PC

onemanandhisdroid

07/08/2009, 10:38 pm

It may not be the latest card, but it should be well over the requirements for TMI. I would have thought Dreamfall was more graphics intensive than TMI.

I'm not sure if Dreamfall has all of the effects going on that ToMI has in maximum settings. However, you should be real fine still, I guess. I'd try to put anti-aliasing off in the driver settings and try to turn the screen resolution down by a notch. But first of all I'd look for updated drivers for everything, particularly audio and video hardware. Those audio skips don't sound all that natural to me (heh). :D

GregorV

07/08/2009, 10:39 pm

I have a really ancient single-core PC with an nVidia 7600GS card. With graphics quality at 5, it runs the game absolutely fine at 1280x1024. The only PCs on the market that would probably run the game worse than my PC are the laptops without a proper (ATi or nVidia) graphics card. Also, you don't need more than about 20-30fps for a smooth game of monkey, it's not a reflex based game that would involve lots of camera movement. Turn off that frame rate counter and rather enjoy the game!

taumel

07/08/2009, 10:49 pm

Ignoring a few tiny glitches, it works like a charm.

TofuHead

07/08/2009, 10:56 pm

I'm not sure if Dreamfall has all of the effects going on that ToMI has in maximum settings. However, you should be real fine still, I guess. I'd try to put anti-aliasing off in the driver settings and try to turn the screen resolution down by a notch. But first of all I'd look for updated drivers for everything, particularly audio and video hardware. Those audio skips don't sound all that natural to me (heh). :D

In terms of effects, CoD5 has ones that blow TMI out of the universe. Walk under water and there's simulation of water going over your eyes (everything becomes blurry and wavy), there is heat wave simulation from flame throwers, clouds of dust and smoke from grenade detonations not to mention fog and various other weather effects. That, and my card renders dozens upon dozens of animated characters at a time as well as dozens of corpses of once animated characters perfectly fine. In TMI, there are... what, a max of 2 characters on one screen at a time? 3 if you include the monkey and the mouse.

Frogacuda

07/08/2009, 10:59 pm

It may not be the latest card, but it should be well over the requirements for TMI. I would have thought Dreamfall was more graphics intensive than TMI.

"latest" is not really the thing. An 8400 is well below a much older 7600. It's intentionally made to be a low-end budget card.

That said it IS enough for ToMI. Just not at max settings. On max setting it does have some shader and depth of field effects that games like Dreamfall didn't so that's why you need to crank it down a bit. Don't worry, it won't look bad on 4 or 5.

Spac

07/08/2009, 11:04 pm

I'm on my year-and-a-half old laptop here, running on 1440x900 screen resolution, I had to lower the graphics setting to 5 on the first sequence due to all the shadered water and weather effects, but after that I could bump it up to 9 and play without any performance issues.

What might be a good idea in subsequent releases, is to give the game an advanced graphics tab, for better customization, since performance issues can be circumvented on some systems by turning down specific features while keeping others turned up.

Oh, specs btw:
CPU: Intel Core2Duo T8300 2.4GHz
RAM: 2GB DDR2-667MHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 9500M GS 512MB
OS: Windows 7 RC (7100) 64-bit

SurplusGamer

07/08/2009, 11:16 pm

"It seems like very few people are running this game without issue."

Biggest. Overstatement. Ever.

"It seems like a few people have issues with running the game." perhaps you mean.

Irishmile

07/08/2009, 11:19 pm

Yeah really..... it only seems that way because the people who's systems are not up to the task log on to complain..... The larger majority of the people who got it working just fine are not going to log on to complain about how great it runs..

chrisff1989

07/08/2009, 11:27 pm

Altbau

07/08/2009, 11:32 pm

I'm running the fine fine on my crummy old laptop at 1280x720, settings at 9. Only when I crank it up to 1920x1080 it starts to slow down significantly, but that's to be expected. This makes it slower than Strong Bad (heh), but about on par with Sam&Max and Wallace&Gromit.

Specs:
Core 2 Duo @ 2ghz each
2GB DDR2 RAM
Geforce 8600M GT
Windows 7 RC 64

Krajab

07/08/2009, 11:39 pm

My computer is less than a year old, and it's an HP desktop. 2GB of ram and I think and Intel duo processor. I had to set my graphics at 3 to get it to run properly, 4 works ok too, but anything above that makes the game run progressively slower, almost to the point where it takes like 5 seconds for the mouse to move a few pixels across the screen. And the music gets all skippy and choppy. I thought it was my computer for a second... but I didn't think it would run that slow. I'm sure a lot of people have the same problem, but I don't see how some of you with the same or similar system specs as my own would be able to run the game fine at 9 graphics.

Also, what do you mean about "what monkey island is all about"? <.<; Makes you seem arrogant. The graphics in previous monkey island games haven't ever been amazing, even for their time. Particularly speaking of Escape, those graphics were not very good. :|

Spac

07/08/2009, 11:41 pm

Intel Core 2 duo, 4gb of ram, a 256MB GeForce 8400M

Whoa, back the fun bus right up. Here's your problem: 8400M

Not to sound like some sort of graphics elitist, but there's a basic rule that goes with NVIDIA cards: If the model number (the one that follows the series number, eg. "6" in 9600GT) is less than six, you're going to have performance issues.

I learned this the hard way, my laptop has a 9500M GS, a card that is only saved by the oversized frame-buffer taped to it's insufficient clock-speed.

Jerec84

07/08/2009, 11:45 pm

"I have a 286/10 Mhz, and a brand new EGA (that's ENHANCED graphics adapter) card, and DOS 4.0 is telling me that the executable is not valid. What gives?"

Enjoy Monkey Island 1 and 2. :P

Bas

07/08/2009, 11:57 pm

Flip86

07/09/2009, 12:18 am

Just that you bought a computer recently doesn't mean that it should run this game at max settings. A lot of ready made desktop systems have really terrible graphics cards (or even on board ones) since most people only use them for work and laptops are even worse. Tweaking a bit in the graphics options should fix the problems for 90% of the people having trouble I would say.

crkpt1

07/09/2009, 12:50 am

Much can be said about this game and its clunky control schemes but it is not taxing on the system at all. I have a rather old rig e6750+oc8800gt+4gb and i get *1050 at quality setting nine, and it looks gorgeous

fabarati

07/09/2009, 12:56 am

Was smooth on my laptop, a Asus F8sa with

C2D T7700 2.4GHz
3 GB ram
Win 7 X64
Mobility HD2600 (with sucky and and slow ddr2 vram)

At quality level 9 and 1280x800, and added 2x AF in the drivers. I did have to drop the resolution from my native 1440x900 though. With an overclock, it should run fine at 1440x900, but alas, I can barely overclock. And not at all in win 7.

Winther

07/09/2009, 01:07 am

Despite my current PC problems, which I whine about elsewhere (unrelated to Monkey Island except for the extremely awful timing), I'm always puzzled and frankly annoyed at this strange "rule" that seems to exist in a not-wholly-insignificant portion of the adventure community that every adventure game must be able to run on your great grandmother's Spectrum ZX. Personally, I'd love nothing more than to see a new adventure game be on par visually with the newest shooters. You don't see FPS players complain about how their games are too hard on their computers. It's thinking like this that keeps the adventure genre firmly in niche territory.

And don't talk to me about how "it's about the story". Good storytelling and good graphics are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I'd argue that a great presentation, while it can't save a bad story, will always enhance a good one.

Pretty much every other kind of player accepts that they have to keep their PC somewhat up to date to get the full experience - and sometimes even just basic functionality - out of their games. What makes us so special?

Just to be clear, this isn't a comment on Telltale's games in any way. I'm quite happy with the look of the games here. It's just a reaction to this strange and oddly genre-specific conceit of "This game won't run perfectly on my computer = TOTAL GAME FAIL".

crkpt1

07/09/2009, 01:13 am

You don't see FPS players complain about how their games are too hard on their computers

heard about crysis? when it came out, few had a system that could actually run that poorly optimized behemoth code. I think the dust from the following quagmire is still hanging in the air. Same with gta4 for the pc. my point is that this particular whine is everywhere. Why cant I put crysis on ultra high settings on my brand new machine?, why is gta choppy on my commodore 128 with action cardrige?.

WinterSnowblind

07/09/2009, 01:13 am

I have a pretty bad computer, and the game worked perfectly, besides some choppyness during the opening scene. Don't think my computer liked the storm, but even then, it wasn't too bad.

Bas

07/09/2009, 01:25 am

Oh for Pete's sake, this is annoying. It's not a low specced PC, okay? The problem isn't that I'm expecting the game to run on my Atari ST, I'm expecting it to run smoothly on a high end PC, like every other recent game I've tried on it so far.

Judging from the various replies, it runs smooth on some people's high end systems and poorly on other people's high end systems. This suggests some sort of bug or compatibility issue on certain hardware. If we were able to discuss it openly, then Telltale might actually be able to fix it so that everybody can run it properly. But no, let's beat down everyone who complains about stutter with fanboyish remarks about how no ill is allowed to be spoken about this game and that any problem obviously only exists in the mind of whoever is experiencing problems.

Moro

07/09/2009, 01:36 am

I played it with MacBook Pro 2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 4GB Ram and it ran shit! Had to bring quality down to 3

Maybe for the next one ill install bootcamp instead of Fusion - maybe this is why???

jamiehavok

07/09/2009, 01:36 am

jamiehavok

07/09/2009, 01:38 am

I played it with MacBook Pro 2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 4GB Ram and it ran shit! Had to bring quality down to 3

Maybe for the next one ill install bootcamp instead of Fusion - maybe this is why???

it hasnt been about just ram and processor since 1995 - macbooks usually have bad graphics chips - that is your problem. 3 is probably about right.

Vundu

07/09/2009, 01:45 am

Sounds like it is not well optimised for all hardware as it seems to be hit or miss if it runs well.

Frogacuda

07/09/2009, 01:47 am

heard about crysis? when it came out, few had a system that could actually run that poorly optimized behemoth code.
No. Few were willing to turn the settings down to reasonable levels in order to run it. Crysis is optimized just fine and was able to run on quite average systems and look as good as other games on those systems, but everyone wanted it to look as good as it did on high-end systems, and that's where they got frustrated.

No one ever wants to compromise on the settings. Especially with resolution (I blame the advent of LCDs and their native resolutions for this).

Bas

07/09/2009, 01:49 am

most people have given there pc specs and how well it runs on there system - and it all does seem to add up from what i've read - what are the specs of your dell?

3.2GHz Core 2 Duo CPU, 4GB RAM, GeForce 8600 GT with 256MB GDDR3 memory. I note that this is all well above Telltale's own recommended specs. And it's not even running at 1680xwhatever, it's 1440x900, with graphics quality already scaled down. Performance is poor enough to cause stutter in image and sound during the intro and even the main menu, let alone the rest of the game.

jamiehavok

07/09/2009, 01:53 am

No. Few were willing to turn the settings down to reasonable levels in order to run it. Crysis is optimized just fine and was able to run on quite average systems and look as good as other games on those systems, but everyone wanted it to look as good as it did on high-end systems, and that's where they got frustrated.

No one ever wants to compromise on the settings. Especially with resolution (I blame the advent of LCDs and their native resolutions for this).

i blame intels crummy gfx chips and the refusal of major pc manufactures to educate consumers about the advent of 3d graphics cards and there importance. Instead they advertise there cheap systems to death that are seemingly good with there "massive 4gbs of ram and dual core processor!"

sabrateur

07/09/2009, 01:55 am

I have a one year old Dell XPS1530 that I bought with all the specs maxed, and I'm getting stuttery graphics and sound at 1440x900. The whole "lol you guys just have old computers of course it doesn't run smoothly on your Atari 2600" thing is childish and annoying.

Oh for Pete's sake, this is annoying. It's not a low specced PC, okay? The problem isn't that I'm expecting the game to run on my Atari ST, I'm expecting it to run smoothly on a high end PC, like every other recent game I've tried on it so far.

Judging from the various replies, it runs smooth on some people's high end systems and poorly on other people's high end systems. This suggests some sort of bug or compatibility issue on certain hardware. If we were able to discuss it openly, then Telltale might actually be able to fix it so that everybody can run it properly. But no, let's beat down everyone who complains about stutter with fanboyish remarks about how no ill is allowed to be spoken about this game and that any problem obviously only exists in the mind of whoever is experiencing problems.

Your XPS1530 might be less than a year old, but its graphics chipset is definitely not up to par to play at 1440x900.

Googling your Dell shows up its graphics chipset as 8600M GT. Now, click here (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-price,2323-6.html) and look at where this graphics chipset stand. Quite down the list. I'd say 1024x768 would be fine for your card, but any game will stutter at 1440x900 with that chipset.

thesporkman

07/09/2009, 01:59 am

I have a pretty crappy PC, so I had to run it at 800x600 resolution and the lowest graphics setting for it to run smoothly, and to me it still looked beautiful. I would suggest just swallowing your pride and lowering the settings until it runs more smoothly. Yeah, it's disappointing that your high-end PC isn't able to play it at its highest settings for who knows what reason, but, really, lowering the settings isn't going to detract from the game that much.

Bas

07/09/2009, 02:01 am

I'd say 1024x768 would be fine for your card, but any game will stutter at 1440x900 with that chipset.

Is there anyone who can respond with statements that aren't made up?

Frogacuda

07/09/2009, 02:04 am

Is there anyone who can respond with statements that aren't made up?
Recommended specs aren't a guaruntee of maximum settings. Try scaling the settings down some, since the intro and menu in particular are shader intensive.

Also, stuttering can sometimes be a result of disc fragmentation, so try looking into that as well as other general optimization issues (booting clean, closing other apps when running, etc). Your system can definitely handle the game, but it sounds like there might be complicating factors besides the game just randomly hating you.

jamiehavok

07/09/2009, 02:06 am

3.2GHz Core 2 Duo CPU, 4GB RAM, GeForce 8600 GT with 256MB GDDR3 memory. I note that this is all well above Telltale's own recommended specs. And it's not even running at 1680xwhatever, it's 1440x900, with graphics quality already scaled down. Performance is poor enough to cause stutter in image and sound during the intro and even the main menu, let alone the rest of the game.

Your vram is probably limiting you to play it at higher resolutions. i reckon your details should be ok at 3-5. what details are you currently playing on?

you could try forcing anti aliasing off in the nvidia control panel in windows for tomi that might enable you to put the details up higher. tomi could use a more advanced in game graphics settings to turn aa off etc, - would probably solve most issues.

VagrantWulf

07/09/2009, 02:08 am

I have a two years old Dell business (Vostro) laptop, I ran the game on 9 with a resolution of 1440x900, I saw a slight frame drop when the ship rocked in the starting section, but we're talking between 5-10 FPS here, for a mere two seconds.

I think that a lot of the problems I've seen are down to how people maintain (or quite to the contrary, don't bother to maintain) their computer, and that can have a huge impact on how well a game plays, or even if it plays at all. What I'd recommend is either an install of XP with all the correct drivers and versions of DirectX, or an install of the release candidate of Windows 7, I strongly recommend the latter if anyone is running Vista or bought a computer in the last three years.

Vista is a huge problem when it comes to gaming due to how poorly optimised the OS is, this is an issue in and of itself with computer maintenance because Vista makes for a poor base to start from. I'm not saying that Vista is a bad OS, it isn't at all, and as a business OS it can be fantastic, but it's just not worthwhile as a gaming platform, it generally has more cons that pros, and this is why I chose to avoid it as much as possible myself and made the jump straight to Windows 7.

Another boon of the 7 approach is that you don't have to worry about setting up the system, Windows 7 fetches all that the system needs itself, and once it's done you could download Tales of Monkey Island and jump right in! I'd strongly recommend reading up on Win 7 though and considering your options, because there are caveats, such as the system going into bi-hourly shutdowns in May 2010 (due to it being a limited time beta), but an upgrade to the next RC or the final release (if it's out by then) should be possible.

The thing is, with a format like the PC, it's really hard to say that any given problems are with a game rather than a user's system, and if under 30 per cent of the audience are having problems, and the other 70 per cent can run it fine (on whatever settings) then the probability is going to be very high that the problem is either that the user's system doesn't have the hardware necessary, or that the system is poorly maintained.

And for those who don't care to live with the hassles of a computer, it's coming out for the Wii soon, too!

DjNDB

07/09/2009, 02:09 am

Exactly. I only have a 7600GT and had to play in level 3 at 1920x1200. I'm glad i could play well in that resolution at all.
After playing through the game i made some screenshots of Level 9 and Level 3 for comparison.
It doesn't look different in a way that would really matter to me. It seems to be mainly some lightning and Antialiasing.
Before i played it i considered buying a new Graphic Card, because i wanted to play in level 9 and saw how it ran in the W&G demo. However for now i am fine with my passively cooled 7600GT.

Just for amusement: Besides that really slow GPU i have a Phenom II X4 420. I usually don't play other games than Telltales Adventures.

Looks like i should upload those screenshots after all. You are really not missing much.

Click to enlarge and don't forget to zoom to the original size
1920x1200 on Graphics Level 3
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8067/dock31920x1200.th.png (http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8067/dock31920x1200.png)

1920x1200 on Graphics Level 9
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/71/dock91920x1200.th.png (http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/71/dock91920x1200.png)

sabrateur

07/09/2009, 02:11 am

Bas

07/09/2009, 02:14 am

Please people, we're not honestly suggesting that a game like TOMI requires the latest NVidia card to run it at a medium-quality resolution like 1440x900 when stuff like Far Cry 2 or Oblivion run just fine at that resolution?

Hell, even Telltale's other games run just fine at those settings. It's only TOMI that's having these problems.

VagrantWulf, what kind of graphics card is in your Vostro? Perhaps you'll be able to quell these unreasonable claims that a game like TOMI needs the latest NVidia card to run smoothly.

jamiehavok

07/09/2009, 02:15 am

Ok I admit I might have made up that last statement. But yes, I was trying to help. I showed you where the chipset lies on the hierarchy, and it is on the same tier as the top cards of 4 years ago.

Jamiehavok might have a point about anti-aliasing. You might have it turned on at more than 4x at the nvidia control panel.

from what i have read when the tomi details are higher anti aliasing goes up by default. so forcing if off rather than "use in game settings" may help. Ofcourse this may be a rumour and might not help at all!

DjNDB

07/09/2009, 02:20 am

from what i have read when the tomi details are higher anti aliasing goes up by default. so forcing if off rather than "use in game settings" may help. Ofcourse this may be a rumour and might not help at all!
I played with that a little yesterday and it looks like there's no AA in Level 3 and 2x AA in Level 4

jamiehavok

07/09/2009, 02:23 am

I played with that a little yesterday and it looks like there's no AA in Level 3 and 2x AA in Level 4

this probably explains why people start having problems after gfx level 3! you probably start getting things like anisotropic filtering at lvl 4 too that all has an impact in performance!

Bas

07/09/2009, 02:24 am

Ok I admit I might have made up that last statement. But yes, I was trying to help. I showed you where the chipset lies on the hierarchy, and it is on the same tier as the top cards of 4 years ago.

You know, pointing stuff out on a list is great, but actual experience with the device is better. And I can honestly tell you that plenty of recent (better looking!) games run just fine in 1440x900 on that machine.

Now, this can mean two things: either Telltale's graphics engine is very inefficient and doesn't make very good use of system resources, or there's some sort of compatibility problem with certain hardware.

Now, if we could simply discuss this and have Telltale look at it, maybe there'll be a fix and even more people could enjoy the game at high end settings than there already are.

Or, we could all stick our fingers in our ears and go "lalala, there is no problem, I won't hear of any cons about Telltale games, nothing will run on that resolution." and never find an answer.

Which of the two is more helpful?

DjNDB

07/09/2009, 02:37 am

Now, if we could simply discuss this and have Telltale look at it, maybe there'll be a fix and even more people could enjoy the game at high end settings than there already are.
For that however there should be an extra thread including all relevant system specifications, especially the GPU, the resolution and the Graphic Level. This one is filled with too much discussion for that.

Or, we could all stick our fingers in our ears and go "lalala, there is no problem, I won't hear of any cons about Telltale games, nothing will run on that resolution." and never find an answer.

That kind of reminds me of something.

crkpt1

07/09/2009, 02:43 am

Crysis is optimized just fine

no it wasn't, but it has become patched for the better and with warhead it is nearly there.

Slanzinger

07/09/2009, 02:48 am

My PC's nothing to write home about (a couple of years old now, and the graphics card is the BASE spec for most modern games) - the card is an ATI Radeon X1600 w/256MB, so the bare minimum for things such as Assassin's Creed, Mirror's Edge etc. (still miffed that they haven't put demos out so I can test, but that's another matter) - a pretty low-spec card by today's standards.

2GB RAM, 2.2GHz AMD Athlon X2 64 4200+.
Cannot run games like the Witcher on ANY settings (or with GREAT difficulty), runs with this fine at 1024x768, level 7. A higher detail level than I'd expect for this not to choke & die.

hansschmucker

07/09/2009, 03:20 am

The TTT is not exactly the best optimized engine around, but it works well enough.

What you have to realize is that LVL9 is really, really wasteful and is only really intended for systems were you don't have to worry about performance at all.

I mean, most games don't even allow for 4x Antialiasing in the settings panel.

Bas

07/09/2009, 03:23 am

For that however there should be an extra thread including all relevant system specifications, especially the GPU, the resolution and the Graphic Level. This one is filled with too much discussion for that.

That's my point. Any attempt to create such a thread is futile, because it will instantly be swarmed by people who wish to hear no ill words spoken about their beloved games, or 'experts' claiming that TOMI's graphics are actually the pinaccle of what's possible on certain hardware configurations.

Duran72

07/09/2009, 04:32 am

Guys i have a Dual core 6600, 4Gb, and 8800GTS not the worst PC and after playing some minutes the fps go down from 60fps to 30/40fps (in the same area!) and i'm still i don't understand why! i play at 1680x1050 quality 9... (if i go down it's the same...).

I think that this engine it's very very fragile and they MUST put online very soon a patch to resolve a lot of problems...

sabrateur

07/09/2009, 04:32 am

Ok Bas, I apologise. It does seem like I was quick to go on Telltale's defense.

However, it does seem strange that your machine can run other games fine but not this one. Have you checked your nvidia control panel for the anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering settings? If these are set to override games settings, and are set at ridiculously high levels, it might explain the choking.

Let's try to figure out what's the problem, eh?

Bas

07/09/2009, 04:36 am

Let's try to figure out what's the problem, eh?

Let's, because the more people enjoy this game the better. :)

I'm gonna check the AA and filtering settings tonight, when I'm back from work. Fingers crossed.

VoodooLoL

07/09/2009, 04:56 am

ehi guys for me no problems at all till now, i'm running the game at 1920x1200 on 24" monitor with a game level of 9 on windows 7, fantastic ;)

9600gt 512 ram
opteron 165@2250
4gb ram ddr@500mhz

DjNDB

07/09/2009, 05:15 am

adybrown

07/09/2009, 05:38 am

I have a computer and it ran fine :D Only thing was 10 mins into the game the whole thing stopped working and my screen went blank.....

Think the power cut had something to do with that though. Was back up and running in 15 mins :)

The misses then started shouting at me for playing games again which meant I had to stop, but I dont think my computer was of a high enough spec to stop that from happening.

Thank you Tell Tale for a class game that has captured both the look and feel of Monkey Island from what I remember it to be many many moons ago :)

HornetJockey

07/09/2009, 06:39 am

The game has scalable graphics for a reason. If you have the PC for it, crank up the resolution and quality. If you don't, don't. I fail to see the problem. The complaint that they have lost focus is ridiculous. It is an awesome addition to the MI series, and if you need to scale back the graphics to play it on your computer, you have that option.

guitarsareboring

07/09/2009, 06:41 am

No problems here at level 9 on the highest widescreen setting...

Capotasto

07/09/2009, 06:54 am

Once I put the graphics settings down a bit it was fine.
It's a shame I can't run it on a high resolution, but I can't run -any- games on one.

Ravey

07/09/2009, 06:57 am

I wouldn't say it's graphics intensive, ran fine on my laptop and it doesn't even meet their requirements. I like how the textures scaled to the hardware.

RMJ1984

07/09/2009, 07:07 am

people gotta upgrade their computers you just cannot expect everything to run on a 5-10 year old piece of garbage sorry :S

Gaming is a hobby, hobbies cost money, and pc hobby is pretty damn cheap, compared to alot of other hobbies.

Mr Party Hat

07/09/2009, 07:15 am

I hope threads like this don't discourage Telltale from releasing prettier games in the future. My PC is relatively old now and I, as I suspect a lot of other people, was getting a solid 60fps throughout with everything turned to full. Those with older PCs have the option of turning the detail down to S&M levels, I don't see the problem.

By all means Telltale, more fancy effects and higher resolution textures if you please! :P

SurplusGamer

07/09/2009, 07:47 am

Ran smooth as silk at level 9 at my monitor's max resolution, for me, and I have what would probably be described as a lower-mid range PC.

rincewind01

07/09/2009, 08:14 am

If you call this game graphics intensive was your last pc a zx spectrum. If anything crank up the graphics all THE WAY TO 11 BABY.

onemanandhisdroid

07/09/2009, 09:42 am

In terms of effects, CoD5 has ones that blow TMI out of the universe.

Looking at this (http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,666877/Call-of-Duty-5-World-at-War-Benchmark-Test-Grafikkarten/Action-Spiel/Test/?page=2) I very much doubt that CoD5 runs all that smooth throughout on a 8400M, to be honest. In any case, check your drivers. You should definitely be fine unless you're running the game in super high screen resolutions!

Performance is poor enough to cause stutter in image and sound during the intro and even the main menu, let alone the rest of the game.

I have an 8600GT myself - seriously, that card was already struggling with some games in 1280x1024 resolution when I bought it two years ago - it's just not a very fast card. You can get cards thrice as fast now for less than 60 bucks now. But in this res Monkey works fine for me on max settings. And it should for you as well, unless you own one that is clocking in at lower speeds than the reference models.

Thrak

07/09/2009, 09:45 am

I'm running this on a P4HT 3.4ghz with 4gb ram that is 7 count em 7 years old and it runs just fine. of course it has a GeForce 9600 GT 512 mb video card in it.

Bas

07/09/2009, 09:48 am

I have an 8600GT myself - seriously, that card was already struggling with some games in 1280x1024 resolution when I bought it two years ago - it's just not a very fast card. You can get cards thrice as fast now for less than 60 bucks now. But in this res Monkey works fine for me on max settings. And it should for you as well, unless you own one that is clocking in at lower speeds than the reference models.

And yet, it doesn't. Which suggests to me that it's an issue with the game, not the card. Especially since other games run just fine on that card.

I tried toning down the AA and moving to 1280x800 by the way: no effect.

onemanandhisdroid

07/09/2009, 09:49 am

And yet, it doesn't. Which suggests to me that it's an issue with the game, not the card. Especially since other games run just fine on that card.

I tried toning down the AA and moving to 1280x800 by the way: no effect.

Did you try to update your drivers? Standard question I know. Edit: Just saw that you're running a 8600M, the mobile version. Well that's slower than a desktop 8600GT anyways at least according to this ranking (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-price,2323-6.html). But I'd still give it a shot - I mean maybe Telltale added various detail settings for a reason - that is, giving people running 40$+ video cards the option to utilize at least some of its powers, whilst not leaving those running older computer behind in the dust. Or maybe there are issues with the engine and you should be able to totally max out every single setting as well. But that's a question for the TT fellas.

Cyphox

07/09/2009, 09:57 am

e5200 @ 4ghz + radeon 4870 + 4gb ram

no problems at all *cough*

btw: Vista 64bit

HornetJockey

07/09/2009, 10:58 am

As I'm sure you all know, regardless of the specs of your computer, sometimes the way a game is programmed does not mesh well with your particular hardware configuration. This isn't really anybody's fault, it is just a product of there being so many types of hardware out there.

My wife's laptop plays this game pretty well at 800x600 (budget laptop), but my Core 2 Duo E8400, 4GB 1066Mhz RAM, GA-P35-DS3L Mobo, Saphire ATI Radeon 4870 512MB computer won't even launch the game. C'est la vie!

Hopefully it will be fixed either with a game patch or new drivers for my computer, but I'm not pointing fingers at anyone just yet.

Leak

07/09/2009, 11:11 am

My computer is less than a year old, and it's an HP desktop. 2GB of ram and I think and Intel duo processor.
The same goes for my Dell machine at work. And guess what? They still put a totally crummy graphics card in it.

I bet the same goes for your HP, as HPs are either machines made for office apps or web browsing, but definitely not for playing recent games at high settings.

Also, you'd probably get more useful comments if you had posted what graphic card your HP came with... because it's not the HP itself that's makeing ToMI run sucky, but the usually crappy graphics card they put into those PCs.

An ATI Radeon 4850 can be had around here starting at 83 EUR, and it runs the game without a single hitch from start to end. If that's too much for you, maybe playing newer games just isn't for you?

np: Evil Nine - Icicles ft. Seraphim (They Live!)

Tacobob

07/09/2009, 11:14 am

I have a 286/10 Mhz, and a brand new EGA (that's ENHANCED graphics adapter) card, and DOS 4.0 is telling me that the executable is not valid. What gives?

4.0! Now you're player with POWER! :cool:

Bas

07/09/2009, 11:20 am

Did you try to update your drivers? Standard question I know. Edit: Just saw that you're running a 8600M, the mobile version. Well that's slower than a desktop 8600GT anyways at least according to this ranking (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-price,2323-6.html). But I'd still give it a shot - I mean maybe Telltale added various detail settings for a reason - that is, giving people running 40$+ video cards the option to utilize at least some of its powers, whilst not leaving those running older computer behind in the dust. Or maybe there are issues with the engine and you should be able to totally max out every single setting as well. But that's a question for the TT fellas.

If you had kept reading, you'd have read that that card runs more graphically intensive games just fine at that resolution. So my money is on the game engine being the limiting factor here rather than the cad.

the_boo

07/09/2009, 11:30 am

It seems that alot of people don't really know the hardware they are running, the 8600GT was a mid to low range card when it was released 2 years ago. @ year old cards, unless top of the line aren't going to cut it with most software these days. The best cards may cost more, but they last alot longer, I was running an ATI X850 up until a few months ago when I got a marginally better, GeForce 9600 for nothing. Next time I buy a card will probably be when I build a new system or if they come out with something faster than PCI express and I build a new rig.

As for those with intel graphics, you get what you pay for. You should've spent the couple bucks to upgrade to a computer with at least a PCI express slot if you wanted to game.

onemanandhisdroid

07/09/2009, 11:35 am

If you had kept reading, you'd have read that that card runs more graphically intensive games just fine at that resolution. So my money is on the game engine being the limiting factor here rather than the cad.

Yeah, but you can't compare different game engines in terms of performance. Top 3D engines from id soft or Epic are often times supremely optimized pieces of code, whilst on the other end of the scale there's haphazard PS3 porting jobs a la GTAIV that can give just about any computer hell given the right settings. Like I said, I think I had some very slight stuttering on a desktop 8600GT during some of the introduction.

You still haven't said whether you had updated your drivers or not.

Aeterna

07/09/2009, 11:46 am

Game runs on 60fps on 1920x1200 for me.
QX6700 @2.66Ghz
4GB 667Mhz DDR2
8800GTX
7200RPM S-ATA drives. Game runs on a Seagate Barracuda.
Windows 7 x64 RC1 Build 7100

And whilst recording it it runs on 30fps with an occasional drop to ~27.
Recording i'm using 1280x720 resolution. Full detail on everything.

HolyDemon

07/09/2009, 12:43 pm

I'm running the game on an Athlon XP 2800+, 1GB RAM, Geforce 7600 GS, which isn't running on full power because I haven't plugged the PSU into the Videocard.

My resolution is 1024x786 in windowed mode with graphics set at 9.

I have absolutely no problems, the game is running all smoothly.

BeeKay84

07/09/2009, 12:51 pm

My PC is not the newest, either:
almost 2 years old
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+
2.31 GHz
896 MB RAM
nVidia GeForce 6100 (up to 256 MB shared memory)
Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2

I'm running the game at 1024x768 fullscreen, and first it was so slow. I lowered the quality down to 3, then it went smoothly. I don't mind the lower quality at all, though.

BinoX

07/09/2009, 12:57 pm

Got:
Core2Duo 1.86GHz
2GB RAM
GForce 9800
Res: 1920x1080
Windows XP x64

Runs perfectly on full :D

Come on... geforce 9 series are less that £100 now.. get a new gfx card if it can't run it :p

Ripcord

07/10/2009, 06:03 am

In my case I'm trying to run on a year-old Dell laptop (with a fairly weak NVidia Quadro 135M card, admittedly, though all other specs are about as high as can be), and it runs extremely slowly (unplayably slow) in anything above level 3 - and even at level 1, it's pretty choppy. Drivers are all updated, etc. I definitely wasn't expecting blazing performance, but Sam+Max, HomestarRunner, and Wallace+Gromit run as fast as can be. It's slow enough that I suspect there is a bug.

On the Other Hand, it plays super-fast with settings maxed on my 1-year-old Macbook Pro inside CrossOver - go DirectX-to-OpenGL translation! =)

Panda90

07/10/2009, 07:57 am

No problems here at 1920x1200

Granted im running a 3GHz OC'ed Q6600...

People with decent rigs should update their graphics drivers if theye are having trouble though as it's been said if your nvidia card doesnt have a 6 or above as its second number then you're going to struggle.

doomsoth

07/10/2009, 04:55 pm

I played it at 3 and it ran fine. My computer is 8 years old, so I'm glad that when I brought it down from 5 to 3 it ran extremely well (in fact, I was a bit worried at first because it was running extremely slow).

Scapetti

07/10/2009, 04:57 pm

I can run this on a laptop that doesn't even have a proper graphics card. Just some cheapo one they threw in. It's slow but very playable (especially when windowed)

Lena_P

07/10/2009, 05:37 pm

I ran it on "medium pretty"tm on my seven year old computer and it worked fine. You didn't have any ram intensive programs running at the same time as your game, did you?

Motox

07/10/2009, 05:52 pm

Best explanation on the thread

Bas

07/11/2009, 02:26 am

Well, after some tinkering with background services it runs fine on 1440x900 at level 9. Turns out that is possible on an 8600M GT.

purple_monkfish

07/11/2009, 03:28 am

My pc is old old old and ran it fine...

drunkenmonkey

07/11/2009, 05:00 am

My PC is a Dell XPS, only about 5 years old. Anything above quality 3 and you could see pieces missing from the title screen. The news guy and the voodoo lady are always a mess of polygons and when guybrush goes into the jungle he becomes a mess of polygons. The way I fixed this was just to take it off full screen and just set the resolution to your screen size. Then there are no missing polygon issues. I think it only lets me go up to quality 6, but anything above 3 still trashes parts of the title screen, so you can see what your max quality is before returning to the game.

After playing it again with no graphical issues, I can say that I like it. It does make me feel nostalgic and therefore earns a place in the monkey island collection. I can't wait for more. Monkey Island should be a game everybody can play, how about releasing it for the playstation store and xbox live, then you wont have to worry about PC issues.

NickD

07/11/2009, 09:16 am

Athlon 64 x2 5000+ (2.6Ghz)
5GB RAM
GeForce 8500 512MB set to "performance" in nVidia control panel.

Game is unplayable in 1680x1050. Had to lower it to 800x600 to be playable. :( Crashes in Wine (v1.1.25) bringing X with it under Ubuntu 9.04 as well for me.

From the small taste I've had of the game it brings back good memories of playing SMI on my 286 back in middle school :) I am impressed, just need to get it to run well at a reasonable resolution (800x600 looks _awful_ on my 20" WS)

echoboi

07/11/2009, 10:06 am

I don't even have a video card in my computer (just some memory stolen from my ram to simulate one), and it ran great on 9 with no problems.

But, since it seems many others are having problems, there could be conflicts from the game with certain graphics cards.

DjNDB

07/11/2009, 10:22 am

Athlon 64 x2 5000+ (2.6Ghz)
5GB RAM
GeForce 8500 512MB set to "performance" in nVidia control panel.
[...]
just need to get it to run well at a reasonable resolution

The Problem is obviously your Geforce 8500 (http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8500.html). I have an older but still better 7600 GT (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7600.html) that runs fine at 1920x1200 with Graphic Level 3.

A recent Nvidia 9500 GT would probably give you a performance much better than mine for a low price. I would however advice you to test it.

DjNDB

07/11/2009, 10:24 am

I don't even have a video card in my computer (just some memory stolen from my ram to simulate one), and it ran great on 9 with no problems.

That would be onboard graphics then.
What resolution are you using and what Mainboard is that?
It sounds a little odd to me.

Bogey

07/11/2009, 10:26 am

If there's one thing this game can't be accused of then its having a too powerful graphics engine.. ;) Honestly, the geometry couldn't be much simpler anymore. Just take a look at De Singe's house for example, the rope on his bridge is mostly just a texture!
If your PC can't run it smoothly then either your PC is really, really messed up or you should really buy a new one. I bought mine for 500 bucks a year ago, so it really is no high end machine, but its more than sufficient for this game on the highest settings

NickD

07/11/2009, 10:52 am

The Problem is obviously your Geforce 8500 (http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8500.html). I have an older but still better 7600 GT (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7600.html) that runs fine at 1920x1200 with Graphic Level 3.

A recent Nvidia 9500 GT would probably give you a performance much better than mine for a low price. I would however advice you to test it.

I over estimated my video card... It runs fine in games like TF2 and and others at 1680x1050. I reduced the graphic quality and wasn't seeing a difference. I dropped it down to 1 and things ran near perfect, so I am content now. Honestly I don't see much of a difference aside from some lighting, shadows and fog in the lower graphic levels.

DjNDB

07/11/2009, 11:14 am

Honestly I don't see much of a difference aside from some lighting, shadows and fog in the lower graphic levels.
...and Antialiasing.
From my point of view the higher graphic levels are just a bonus for those who have better graphics cards. Imagine there were only level 1. Then no one would complain or miss a thing.

Alkerion

07/12/2009, 09:12 am

Damn slow on my 2.2Ghz, 4Gb, 7900GTX, I've to reduce the quality a lot to be able to have something a bit fluid. Disapointed a lot by this game :-(

Tim

07/12/2009, 09:22 am

Damn slow on my 2.2Ghz, 4Gb, 7900GTX, I've to reduce the quality a lot to be able to have something a bit fluid. Disapointed a lot by this game :-(

May I ask on what resolution you're running? Which quality level? And fullscreen, yes/no?

Ignatius

07/12/2009, 10:30 am

The only graphic problem i had its more a detail thing. I dont know if anyone else have the same problem:

Im playing at graphic level 4 (i know its not a high level, but its not a 1) and sometimes i can see like "seams" on Guybrushs hand, you know, like thin white rings around his fingers and wrist.
It kinda ruins the illusion of the game to see that, so if this can be solved for futures episodes it would be great.

Frogacuda

07/12/2009, 11:10 am

Kradath

07/12/2009, 11:12 am

Amd X2 4200+ and an ATI 3850, 4Gb Ram on Windows 7 with the highest details and at 1920x1200 and I had no problems, considering the high resolution and in general my system is far away from a High End pc.

The only graphic bugs I had were on the ground were it seemed like it was split on some locations.

ScottAlexander

07/12/2009, 11:22 am

Shhh. The game has no bugs. The bug is a lie.

Scapetti

07/12/2009, 11:38 am

Lol, well it doesn't have NO bugs but a lot of people do seem to be confusing hardware problems with bugs and suggesting Telltale fixes them. Which is just absurd...

Eduardo

07/12/2009, 11:46 am

Shhh. The game has no bugs. The bug is a lie.

I thought the cake was a lie...

optrirominiluikus

07/12/2009, 12:12 pm

Runs fine on my quadcore with 4 gb ram and an nvidia 8800 gtx, windows vista. :D

werpu

07/12/2009, 12:23 pm

That's my point. Any attempt to create such a thread is futile, because it will instantly be swarmed by people who wish to hear no ill words spoken about their beloved games, or 'experts' claiming that TOMI's graphics are actually the pinaccle of what's possible on certain hardware configurations.

Actually no they are not the pinnacle but the engine scales quite well, I was playing Wallace and Grommit on a laptop with an old nivida embedded notebook chipset and even that ran fine on settings 4 or so.

It is definitely not he pinnacle but the good thing is it scales down pretty well to rather old graphics cards (except notebook decelerators from intel but that is another story)

thatdude98

07/12/2009, 12:29 pm

It seems like very few people are running this game without issue. Even the best computers with fast processors and souped up graphics cards are suffering from slow downs on this game. Its sad when people have to change the resolution and graphics settings to 3 or lower to get this to run properly. This is monkey island - the developers seemed to have lost focus as to what this game is truly about.

I played it just fine. It worked perfectly. Oh and, uh, my computer is ancient compared to some of the more recent ones. And also:

"This is monkey island - the developers seemed to have lost focus as to what this game is truly about"

...You're kidding me, right?

S@bre

07/12/2009, 12:57 pm

According to my Vista Game Explorer, the game requires a rating of 3 or above to run at peak efficiency. Mine's a 5, a custom built laptop with dual Intel 2.50Ghz processors, GeForce 8700M GT and 2Gb of RAM. Its about 8 months old. Running at my native resolution of 1440x900, I had to turn the graphics down to 6 to get rid of the mouse lag and get about 5-10 more frames per second for smooth running.

drw25

07/12/2009, 01:29 pm

If there's one thing this game can't be accused of then its having a too powerful graphics engine.. ;) Honestly, the geometry couldn't be much simpler anymore. Just take a look at De Singe's house for example, the rope on his bridge is mostly just a texture!

I think a lot of people in the thread think like this - they think that because the geometry is simple, the game isn't GPU intensive and they should be able to run it at the highest levels. The geometry is the same at all graphics levels - it's AA/AF/bumpmapping/pixel shaders that put the load on your graphics card and it's precisely these things that less recent graphics cards aren't good at. It may be that at level 9, TMI uses a similar amount of these effects to FPSes (perhaps somewhat subtly) and the like and so this level requires similar amounts of graphics processing power.

Steverin0

07/12/2009, 01:33 pm

Computer case fans went up a bit but it's summer here, so a little hotter than normal. PC is 2 years old (medium spec), one crash to desktop, nothing to complain about from me, everything on max. Just adding my 2 cents/personal experience.

OzzieMonkey

03/03/2010, 08:38 am

I played this on Vista with a 1.6 dual core celeron, 2gb RAM, and a 9800GT 512mb nvidia card and had no slowdown what so ever.

Oh this was on 1024x768 and graphics level 9 too.

You know, with that card, you could crank the resolution up even higher than that. A lot of people can run it at 1680x1050 with your card. There are a lot of extra post processing effects added in (like the glowing of lechuck's beard) and you will be able to have the game in full screen, instead of those huge black bars at the top and bottom.

ggtopguitarist

03/03/2010, 08:43 am

it barely runs on lowest graphics setting for me and i exceed the requirments.

Fealiks

03/03/2010, 09:15 am

This is monkey island - the developers seemed to have lost focus as to what this game is truly about.
That's bullshit - if someone baked a cake that tasted amazing and also had a really pretty icing pattern, you wouldn't say "oh, that's sad. the bakery has lost sight of what's important," because it still tastes great. By the same token, Tales of Monkey Island is a good looking game as well as a really fun one - not in stead of.

Avistew

03/03/2010, 09:30 am

(How can you think a cake that has icing still tastes great? Icing tastes gross.)

Hassat Hunter

03/03/2010, 10:15 am

3 year old minor-sooped up PC:
AMD Athlon 3200+ (Single-core, 1.6Ghz)
GeForce FX9600GT
2GB DDR1 RAM
XP SP3

1440x900, 9, ran smoothly all around.

"M" (as in Mobile) is bad shit, man... those things cannot be compared to the full desktop version.

Friar

03/03/2010, 10:44 am

The graphics aren't intensive.

I have no sympathy for people if they don't bother to make sure their computer is capable of running a game. It's not like it's a new concept to make sure your computer meets the requirements for a game. When you're setting the graphics level lower, you're mostly just disabling the shaders and using a lower texture quality. Really, going down to level 3 is not a bad thing. I played on level 1 for a few minutes and the difference wasn't so huge that someone playing at a low graphic level should feel that they're really lacking a whole lot from the game.

If graphics truly aren't important, as the OP seems to be saying, playing on level 1 shouldn't be a problem.
I think thats a little harsh. Sure, RAM,HDD and OS are easy to check, but knowing if your graphics card is supported? Thats another matter. It's not always clear to the non-PC junkies. Heck, i'm good with computers (well i'm happy using them), and i am only now learning about the different things. I'm 18, and i can attest that these things aren't taught in schools. Unless you opt in to study it at a high level.

Anyway, I run it beautifully (full settings, at 1366X 768, or even when i hook it up to my HDTV) on my laptop (which isn't top of the range, but is only 3 months old)

MrFerder

03/03/2010, 10:48 am

It's not like these are state of the art graphics or something. Telltale is running their engine at full throttle, but it still looks like it could be from 2003.

Fortunately, Telltale makes up for their graphical limitations with their writing and gameplay and design.

Kroms

03/03/2010, 12:36 pm

It's not like these are state of the art graphics or something. Telltale is running their engine at full throttle, but it still looks like it could be from 2003.

Well, not 2003. There's some low-res background stuff, and maybe some of the character models could use an updgrade or re-do, but it's actually a good engine. It's expressive. There's still room for improvement, obviously, but it's not as bad as some people pretend.

I also get the feeling that the adventure game fanbase, which strikes me as being largely conservative, will refuse to buy any new PC equipment. Any high-end stuff might translate to less sales. People say they want the Monkey Island 2: Voodoo Mama Special Uber Edition tech, but how many of them can actually run it? How many are willing to? Hell, how many people still use IE6?

Wait a few years. I get the feeling the full 3D stuff might pay off. Really good stylized 3D art is barely distinguishable from 2D, anyways. Check the artwork section of the Book of Unwritten Tales website (http://www.unwritten-tales.de/) to be convinced.

Hassat Hunter

03/04/2010, 01:51 am

Telltale is running their engine at full throttle, but it still looks like it could be from 2003.
Hehe. Who doesn't love graphic whores and there ridicilous claims.

Personally I wouldn't mind lesser graphics. Especially if it means the engine doesn't cost millions to make, forcing folks to sell millions too, reducing "risky" games manufacturing to just sequelmunching and other similar silly stuff which leads to the sorry state videogaming is in the first place these days.

Ripcord

03/04/2010, 02:13 am

Yeah, well...I imported my machine from the future. It's a 2019 model iMac, with 32.5 cores and an AMDnVidia (they merged) X32007900GL+Extreme. (It's cool, because it's "retro styled", looks just like the 2007 iMacs).

At least according to my friend, who sold it to me for way less than the $16,200 it would cost in the future.

It barely runs ToMI at all on the lowest settings.

Way to go Telltale. You can't even make games that run well in the future.

DjNDB

03/04/2010, 02:25 am

Way to go Telltale. You can't even make games that run well in the future.

Maybe you picked the wrong future. You know one of those where Moore's law works the other way around.

a3HeadedMonkey

03/04/2010, 03:41 am

My PC is very old & I can run it. It's a really old TIME computer, 1MB of RAM & a 5 series gfx card.

Scrawffler

03/04/2010, 03:52 am

They work fine for me. In fact, Telltale's games are some of the very few games my busted up PC actually can run without problems!

Leak

03/04/2010, 04:58 am

My PC is very old & I can run it. It's a really old TIME computer, 1MB of RAM & a 5 series gfx card.
You know, I have a hard time believing you could even run Windows 95 on a machine with 1MB of RAM... :D

Also, what "5 series" graphics card are we talking about? My ATI Radeon 5870 is also a "5 series" model, but it's also state-of-the-art - now, of course, the nVidia Geforce FX series (which was their "5 series") was just awful performance-wise, so I'm surprised it runs well (I think?) for you...

[TTG] Yare

03/04/2010, 09:08 am

It seems like very few people are running this game without issue.

Bear in mind (with all things), you hear from dissatisfied people more than satisfied people. Satisfied people rarely feel compelled to jump on the Internet and post things. 100% of this forum's population could express that they are having graphical issues, and you still wouldn't have enough information to make a blanket generalization such as "most people". "Some of the forum", perhaps...

Its sad when people have to change the resolution and graphics settings to 3 or lower to get this to run properly.

So you are arguing that we should make 3 the maximum setting? If your computer can't handle it, don't set it higher. It doesn't get simpler than that.

This is monkey island - the developers seemed to have lost focus as to what this game is truly about.

This is nonsense. People responsible for the renderer are different from people responsible for the art content are different from the people who write the story. There's no such thing as "gameplay vs graphics". Video games are not made by one guy in a garage; graphics and gameplay are developed separately and do not compete for resources.

Remolay

03/04/2010, 01:36 pm

1st gen macbook pro, works perfectly accept for Rise of the Pirate God

guitarsareboring

03/04/2010, 01:58 pm

I have a bottom of the range computer (the cheapest Dell would sell me at the time!) and can run it perfectly with graphics setting 9.

Ripcord

03/04/2010, 02:48 pm

Why in the world was this stupid thread revived, anyway =)

Avistew

03/04/2010, 03:22 pm

Yare;266650']Bear in mind (with all things), you hear from dissatisfied people more than satisfied people. Satisfied people rarely feel compelled to jump on the Internet and post things.

How can you say that?! That makes me very annoyed and I just had to say it.

Also it's hard to say nice things, like "You rock Yare, thanks for your hard work, and sorry you have to deal with people like me" for an unrelated example, because there is always the chance that you'll sound like a whore or a brown-nose, plus you'd feel silly typing it.

Somehow, it's easier dealing with the idea you sound like a jerk than with the idea that you sound pathetic. Although I guess you can also be a pathetic jerk.

Remolay

03/04/2010, 03:34 pm

yet we still get the frequent "Dear Telltale Team, You Rock" threads.

They deserve those threads though

[TTG] Yare

03/04/2010, 04:44 pm

How can you say that?! That makes me very annoyed and I just had to say it.

It's the truth. People who are upset will express themselves more often than those who are content. By a huge margin.

Avistew

03/04/2010, 04:48 pm

Yare;266818']It's the truth. People who are upset will express themselves more often than those who are content. By a huge margin.

(You said that people who were dissatisfied felt the urge to post about it. So I posted saying I was dissatisfied with your saying that, and felt a urge to post about it.)

[TTG] Yare

03/04/2010, 04:49 pm

(You said that people who were dissatisfied felt the urge to post about it. So I posted saying I was dissatisfied with your saying that, and felt a urge to post about it.)

Ha! :)

Rather Dashing

03/04/2010, 06:53 pm

tredlow

03/04/2010, 10:17 pm

Its sad when people have to change the resolution and graphics settings to 3 or lower to get this to run properly. This is monkey island - the developers seemed to have lost focus as to what this game is truly about.

Yeah, Monkey Island is not worth playing if I have to set the graphics setting to the lowest, because it's the only thing that matters in the game; graphics.

Seriously though, you do realize how you just contradicted yourself, right?

Giant Tope

03/04/2010, 11:20 pm

Also it's hard to say nice things, like "You rock Yare, thanks for your hard work, and sorry you have to deal with people like me" for an unrelated example, because there is always the chance that you'll sound like a whore or a brown-nose, plus you'd feel silly typing it.

I feel no shame in saying that when I grow up I want to be as cool as Yare.

Avistew

03/05/2010, 03:08 am

I don't know about you guys, but I'm very pleased with Yare's posting about such things. No, seriously, I am. Considering the fact that dealing with video game companies generally involves being knee-deep in watered-down shill approved by the folks in Marketing, sheer unmitigated bluntness is particularly refreshing, even when I don't agree with the guy.

Yeah. It was surprisingly nice when I asked something to have him (by the way... Yare is male, right? I never actually verified that fact) answer "that would suck" rather than just ignore me. Although I was glad to have a better explanation afterwards.

Jen Kollic

03/05/2010, 11:36 am

I think most fandoms can be accurately compared to a large group of small dogs. Even if the majority are perfectly content, it's the few that just won't stop yapping which are the most noticeable. Granted, the ones humping your leg might be worse in the long run, but at least they're easier on the ears.

Soultaker

03/05/2010, 04:42 pm

Also, what "5 series" graphics card are we talking about? [..] the nVidia Geforce FX series (which was their "5 series") was just awful performance-wise
Hey! :mad: I'll have you know that my trusty GeForce FX 5900 XT has seen me through Sam & Max, Wallace & Gromit and Tales of Monkey Island without a hitch! I just had to turn the Graphics dial down a bit, which didn't even degrade the image quality that much.

So running with GeForce 5-series and 1 GB of RAM (which I think is what a3HeadedMonkey meant) is perfectly possible. ;)

(Also, if I recall correctly, the FX 5900 XT blew Ati's similarly priced 9600 XT out of the water!)

nikasaur

03/05/2010, 04:49 pm

I don't know about you guys, but I'm very pleased with Yare's posting about such things. No, seriously, I am. Considering the fact that dealing with video game companies generally involves being knee-deep in watered-down shill approved by the folks in Marketing, sheer unmitigated bluntness is particularly refreshing, even when I don't agree with the guy.

Suuuure, you just don't love me anymore.

Whatever. You're only RATHER Dashing. *pout*

PariahKing

03/05/2010, 06:18 pm

I think Farmville taxes your CPU more than Tales.

[TTG] Yare

03/05/2010, 10:09 pm

Suuuure, you just don't love me anymore.

Whatever. You're only RATHER Dashing. *pout*

I like this good cop / bad cop thing.

Avistew

03/06/2010, 05:28 am

Suuuure, you just don't love me anymore.

Whatever. You're only RATHER Dashing. *pout*

Don't worry, we love you the best. (Any other member of Telltale's team, please disregard that)

GuruGuru214

03/06/2010, 11:19 am

Suuuure, you just don't love me anymore.

Whatever. You're only RATHER Dashing. *pout*

Don't worry, we love you the best. (Any other member of Telltale's team, please disregard that feel free to be extremely jealous)

fix'd

Bloody Eugene

03/06/2010, 11:53 am

I'm a satisfied user of almost ALL Tellale games...They work great on my computer!
If you are not satisfied with TellTale products you don't have only to blame programmers: are you sure that your hardware is fully working? That you have quality components on your PC?
I know many people that complained about games having poor framerate and then discovered they have Antialias 16x enabled and also Anisotropic 16X by default....
And I know people who bought a NVIDIA 280GTX graphic card and mounted it on an old AMD 4800+ core.....
You just have to be sure to buy QUALITY components, and have a decent hardware.
I tried Telltale games on various hardware, even on an integrated graphic card, and it always worked great, with only some adjustments to the detail.

And, at last, if YOU want your games performs well, just buy some recent components. With few € / $ you can buy a decent hardware to play TOMI....
A 9500GT costs less than 50€ and provides you the best graphic!

At last, I believe the contrary: Telltale graphic looks too old!!! Let's add polygons, smoothings, realtime shadows, fog, and others effects!!! Heavy Rain set a new standard, you have to catch up now!!!
Telltale, don't be late on the graphic quality run!!!

OzzieMonkey

03/19/2010, 12:12 am

Is it just me, or is it possible that the mouse lag is happening with people because of a dodgy mouse? I have an HD 4850 and I have to run the game windowed for good mouse speed. I suspect it might be mouse related, because maybe some mice can't handle certain games, idk. The olny current game that I have without mouse lag at all is A Vampyre Story.

DjNDB

03/19/2010, 12:57 am

Is it just me, or is it possible that the mouse lag is happening with people because of a dodgy mouse?
It should not matter what mouse you use, unless maybe if you use special drivers for it. The Mouse doesn't know whether you run windowed or full screen.
You could try using the standard Microsoft drivers for a test.

Let's look at something different. Open up the Catalyst Control Center, In the Menu Select "Graphics/Information Center", Select the "Graphics Hardware" Tab, right click on the information and "copy all" to a reply post.

OzzieMonkey

03/19/2010, 12:59 am

Ok, here it is:
Primary Adapter
Graphics Card Manufacturer Powered by ATI
Graphics Chipset ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
Device ID 9442
Vendor 1002

Subsystem ID 2266
Subsystem Vendor ID 1787

Graphics Bus Capability PCI Express 2.0
Maximum Bus Setting PCI Express 2.0 x16

BIOS Version 011.022.007.005
BIOS Part Number 113-AAXXXXX-XXX
BIOS Date 2009/09/08

Memory Size 1024 MB
Memory Type GDDR3

Core Clock in MHz 625 MHz
Memory Clock in MHz 950 MHz
Total Memory Bandwidth in GByte/s 60.8 GByte/s

Also, yes I think I'm using special drivers for it. Its an MK300 wireless optical mouse from Logitech, if that helps. Its also in a keyboard/mouse set.

DjNDB

03/19/2010, 04:34 am

Ok, here it is:
[...]
Also, yes I think I'm using special drivers for it. Its an MK300 wireless optical mouse from Logitech, if that helps. Its also in a keyboard/mouse set.
Everything looks normal with your graphics card. What is your cpu load like while playing fullscreen?

If you think it's your mouse, you can just try a cheap wired one.

OzzieMonkey

03/19/2010, 12:49 pm

Everything looks normal with your graphics card. What is your cpu load like while playing fullscreen?

If you think it's your mouse, you can just try a cheap wired one.

I have no idea about the CPU. How do you check that? And about the mouse, i don't think we have any wired ones around, and I'm not about to buy one if it turns out that isn't the problem.

Tacobob

03/19/2010, 03:29 pm

I'm also running this on a 3+ year old PC without any problems! No slowdowns at all!

DjNDB

03/19/2010, 10:58 pm

I have no idea about the CPU. How do you check that?

You can look in the Performance tab of the Task Manager or log it to a file e.g. using CoreTemp. Run the game for 2-3 minutes for logging.

Logging your CPU activity

Download Core Temp (http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/). Start it and activate logging in the menu under "Tools/Logging on".

The log file created is called similar to "CT-Log [TIME][DATE].csv".

Zip the file (http://www.howtozip.com/indexsubmenu.asp?submenu=windows_-_compressed_folder_1) and attach it to a reply in this Thread.

OzzieMonkey

03/19/2010, 11:50 pm

You can look in the Performance tab of the Task Manager or log it to a file e.g. using CoreTemp. Run the game for 2-3 minutes for logging.

Logging your CPU activity

Download Core Temp (http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/). Start it and activate logging in the menu under "Tools/Logging on".

The log file created is called similar to "CT-Log [TIME][DATE].csv".

Zip the file (http://www.howtozip.com/indexsubmenu.asp?submenu=windows_-_compressed_folder_1) and attach it to a reply in this Thread.

Ok, I've attached the file Hope this helps.

DjNDB

03/20/2010, 12:02 am

Ok, I've attached the file Hope this helps.

Okay, that looks fine too. I can't notice anything wrong with your hardware.
Can you upload a fresh dxdiag log?
Also try a clean boot.

Booting clean in Windows Vista / 7:
1. Click Start --> Run --> Type MSCONFIG --> Click OK
2. On the General tab, choose Selective Startup
3. Uncheck Load Startup Items
4. Select the Services tab
5. Check Hide all Microsoft services
6. Click Disable all
7. Click on OK
8. Click Restart.
9. After reboot, run the game to see if it works.

After performing the necessary steps, restore your system by doing the following:

1. Click Start --> Run --> Type MSCONFIG--> Click OK
2. On the General tab, choose Normal Startup
3. Click Ok
4. Click Yes, when asked to restart your computer

Based on Will's post (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=156449#post156449)

OzzieMonkey

03/20/2010, 12:35 am

Okay, that looks fine too. I can't notice anything wrong with your hardware.
Can you upload a fresh dxdiag log?
Also try a clean boot.

Booting clean in Windows Vista / 7:
1. Click Start --> Run --> Type MSCONFIG --> Click OK
2. On the General tab, choose Selective Startup
3. Uncheck Load Startup Items
4. Select the Services tab
5. Check Hide all Microsoft services
6. Click Disable all
7. Click on OK
8. Click Restart.
9. After reboot, run the game to see if it works.

After performing the necessary steps, restore your system by doing the following:

1. Click Start --> Run --> Type MSCONFIG--> Click OK
2. On the General tab, choose Normal Startup
3. Click Ok
4. Click Yes, when asked to restart your computer

Based on Will's post (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=156449#post156449)

Ok, here we go. I'll try the system boot clean. I hope it helps this time, cause so far it has never helped with anything.

DjNDB

03/20/2010, 12:58 am

I'll try the system boot clean. I hope it helps this time, cause so far it has never helped with anything.
I hope so. I sadly can't find any reasonable cause for your slowdown in fullscreen. That's why we should try some less obvious stuff.
You could try disabling your sound devices in the device manager.

You could also make a fresh windows install to a different partition/harddisk and test if it works smoothly there after installing windows updates, service packs, DirectX updates and graphics drivers only. If it works we know there's some software issue in your original installation.

OzzieMonkey

03/20/2010, 01:02 am

I hope so. I sadly can't find any reasonable cause for your slowdown in fullscreen. That's why we should try some less obvious stuff.
You could try disabling your sound devices in the device manager.

You could also make a fresh windows install to a different partition/harddisk and test if it works smoothly there after installing windows updates, service packs, DirectX updates and graphics drivers only. If it works we know there's some software issue in your original installation.

Well, the boot clean didn't work, just as I expected. Unfortunately I only have one harddrive in my computer, so I don't think the fresh windows install is going to happen. Is monitor size a problem? Also, is there anything at all that could be bottlenecking my pc?

DjNDB

03/20/2010, 03:11 am

Is monitor size a problem? Also, is there anything at all that could be bottlenecking my pc?
The Monitor size doesn't matter. What matters are the resolution and the quality settings in the game.

Also important are the 3D settings in the graphics cards control center.
Make sure you have "Adaptive Antialiasing" disabled.

In fact you can try my settings. Make them in the Catalyst Control Center, From the Menu "Graphics/3D" in the "All" tab from top to bottom:
8x Box AA, 16x AF, Disable Catalyst A.I., Mipmap High Quality, Vertical Refresh always on, Adaptive AA disabled, No Triple Buffering.

OzzieMonkey

03/20/2010, 12:32 pm

The Monitor size doesn't matter. What matters are the resolution and the quality settings in the game.

Also important are the 3D settings in the graphics cards control center.
Make sure you have "Adaptive Antialiasing" disabled.

In fact you can try my settings. Make them in the Catalyst Control Center, From the Menu "Graphics/3D" in the "All" tab from top to bottom:
8x Box AA, 16x AF, Disable Catalyst A.I., Mipmap High Quality, Vertical Refresh always on, Adaptive AA disabled, No Triple Buffering.

Ok, I've tried your settings, and its better, but still very draggy.
EDIT: I went back to windowed mode, and the mouse is even better than it was before. i'm fine running it windowed, but I am still quite puzzled at the lag on fullscreen. Pretty much every game I own has mouse lag on full screen. Only a few are an exception. When I said before that the only 'current' game I own was lag free, I didn't mean 'what I own currently' I meant 'recently released', so I don't have mouse lag on MI1, 2 or CMI. If that happened, then I would have something to worry about.

Also, seeing as I don't really know what smooth mouse speed is on Tales, I don't really know how to tell. A YouTube video isn't going to help, because
1. Fraps recording boosts your mouse speed anyway and
2.I can't feel the mouse myself, so I don't truly know the speed.