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jimmyoneshot 11/02/2009 07:47 am

My only gripe about the Tales series...
 
...is the use of recycled faces throughout the game, which only seems to happen with the shorter fatter characters.

I don't mind when this is used for characters that only have relatively small parts but when there are those that are present a lot throughout the entire series, such as Mr Winslow, I feel it detracts from the value of the character when they look very much like so many other characters in the series.

I may be wrong but I feel as though the news reporter from episode 1, Mr Winslow and the bailiff are all more or less the exact same character model, merely with alterations in skin color and different hair/facial hair applied almost reminiscent of putting different face and hair parts on a Mr Potato head toy. I just feel as though a slight bit more effort could have been put in to these characters to make them look a little bit different from each other.

I am such a fan of Monkey Island overall that usually when someone comes up with a negative about the series I invent some excuse for it or overlook it entirely but this is more or less the only negative I have personally. Does anyone else feel the same or am I just being picky?

Overall it's a fantastic game and as a whole I think the episodes are on par with MI2 which was the best in the series in my opinion. :cool:

Meems 11/02/2009 08:19 am

I've been lurking on these boards for a while, and I seem to remember a lot of complaints about this when Launch of the Screaming Narwhal came out.

I can definitely see what you mean, and it's not just the short fat model either--a lot of the characters share models with other characters. I think they've got better at disguising it as the series has gone on, though.

Astro Gnocci 11/02/2009 08:31 am

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I think they've got better at disguising it as the series has gone on, though.
Yep. It was rather annoying in the first chapter, but i think they did a good job at hiding them afterwards. You still can notice them, but way less.
Also, i don't know if it was related to this, but not having Nipperkin in the last chapter sure helped there.

serializer 11/02/2009 08:51 am

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Originally Posted by jimmyoneshot (Post 219737)
the news reporter from episode 1, Mr Winslow and the bailiff are all more or less the exact same character model

AND D'Oro. Caused me much confusion during the Trial :confused:

jadetermeg 11/02/2009 09:02 am

Probably why they removed his eye

Gryffalio 11/02/2009 09:23 am

Maybe they're all half-brothers?

Congrats, you just uncovered the second-biggest conspiracy in the ToMI storyline!

Pretender 11/02/2009 09:54 am

it distracts me to the point where I really see this series as low budget and some sort of fan made.. it's still good, but common the characters are just too bad. Few good characters don't make up for the dozen of recycled ones.. one way telltale solved it is to just show 1-3 characters (best episode was episode 3 just for the difference in characters) in the episode which makes everything seem empty.. Don't get me wrong, I'm quite happy with tales (and I find it much better than Sam and Max), but still the one thing to really improve upon are the characters.. Imagine you're watching a tv show and one guy is playing the role of 3 people and looking very much the same.. I wouldn't watch it

Friar 11/02/2009 10:11 am

There are two models that are recylced, Short/Fat, and Tall/thin

Short/Fat models:
Nipperkin
D'oro
Winslow
Bailiff/arguing pirate
Noogie
Audience in court
Judge/bartender

Tall/Thin Models

Glass Blower
Pirate with artifact
Pirate whose nose you break,
Pirate with nol legs+Cat
Bartender guy in manatee

I think that's all of them. They weren't really noticeable in chapter 3.

apenpaap 11/02/2009 11:55 am

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Originally Posted by Friar (Post 219824)
There are two models that are recylced, Short/Fat, and Tall/thin

Short/Fat models:
Nipperkin
D'oro
Winslow
Bailiff/arguing pirate
Noogie
Audience in court
Judge/bartender

Tall/Thin Models

Glass Blower
Pirate with artifact
Pirate whose nose you break,
Pirate with nol legs+Cat
Bartender guy in manatee

I think that's all of them. They weren't really noticeable in chapter 3.

Technically, the merperson model was also recycled for the three Vakalian characters in chapter 2, and Guybrush's model was recycled for De Cava.

FitzoliverJ 11/02/2009 12:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Astro Gnocci (Post 219760)
not having Nipperkin in the last chapter sure helped there.

Hmm.. First he makes a lot of money, then he burns to death. Does somebody at Telltale not like lottery winners?! :D

Friar 11/02/2009 12:08 pm

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Originally Posted by apenpaap (Post 219920)
Technically, the merperson model was also recycled for the three Vakalian characters in chapter 2, and Guybrush's model was recycled for De Cava.

I never realised that. I just google image'd De Cava, and was shocked at the results.

Farlander 11/02/2009 12:23 pm

One pirate who battled LeChuck in Chapter 2 also reused Guybrush's model. He WAS a VERY minor character, though.

Kroms 11/02/2009 12:27 pm

It's because of space constraints.

Once again, thank you Wiiware.

Jake 11/02/2009 12:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Friar (Post 219932)
I never realised that. I just google image'd De Cava, and was shocked at the results.

You were shocked by the power of suggestion, then, because though they have similar body types, they're different.

Qurao 11/02/2009 12:29 pm

Well, the only complain that I have is that I can't actually play this as a regular point-n-click adventure, because of the muffed-up control scheme.

Irishmile 11/02/2009 12:38 pm

there is a Pirate that tries to get the artifact from LeChuck that is a repainted Guybrush and I think Bugeye is as well.

DoctorCello 11/02/2009 12:54 pm

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Originally Posted by apenpaap (Post 219920)
Technically, the merperson model was also recycled for the three Vakalian characters in chapter 2, and Guybrush's model was recycled for De Cava.

Ehnnn... Just because they're both lean people, doesn't mean they're the same model. Guybrush's waist isn't as skinny as DeCava's, for one.

apenpaap 11/02/2009 01:31 pm

I could swear they're the same model, but I guess if Jake says they're not then I'm probably wrong.

Irishmile 11/02/2009 01:44 pm

Jake seems to be quoted here alot and he will later come in and say .."uh I said what now?"
Well me too here I go.... I think Jake said in a different, other, previous, probably buried under an X, dont try to find it thread.... that he wished he could be as cool as me... true story.

Gryffalio 11/02/2009 02:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Irishmile (Post 220055)
Jake seems to be quoted here alot and he will later come in and say .."uh I said what now?"
Well me too here I go.... I think Jake said in a different, other, previous, probably buried under an X, dont try to find it thread.... that he wished he could be as cool as me... true story.

lol!

I don't get why people are genuinely bothered by the recycling of models. Sure, TTG base the characters on similar models. But then, you don't look at two cars and go "they're both about 15feet; that's just ridiculous and lazy!"

I know people are genuinely bemused by this, I just can't get my head around it (past the possible lack of memorable features for some of the earliest introductions). D'Oro and Nipperkin are very different characters, just as Guybrush, Bugeye et al. All have very different characters.

Y'know, I think its the hair; half of the earliest ones didn't have any :)


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