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jovak 05/21/2010 12:47 pm

Kind of disappointed...
 
Iīm a big fan of everything that Telltaleīs made and especially Sam&Max. But I donīt know what to think about these two episodes. Sure, they look great, the gameplay is harder and more advanced but somethingīs missing. Thereīs too little of the psychotic Max ("the total annihilation of the godless Belgians", "is this the end of little Maxie?"), the dialog isnīt as razorsharp as in the two last seasons. I sure hope that this will change in the upcoming episodes.

Giant Tope 05/21/2010 12:55 pm

Not to degrade your opinion or anything, but I find this statement interesting because other than looking great, you share the complete opposite view than the general consensus. From my observation, most people found the gameplay to be easier than the previous seasons (or at least season two), and found that the writing is top notch.

Do tell more.

kane 05/21/2010 01:00 pm

psychotic max is ben treded in of psychic max mackin him more evolved hill be bark wen sam ask max you seam different. max: shore sam but psychic now. sam: um gust be you. max: ok sam. den they find a new toy and it macs max grow big in to the 50 foot rabbet sam: I shouldn't have said that.

pwblaine 05/21/2010 01:01 pm

i'm too feel this season is easier to beat than the last, but i'm not sure that's a bad thing... every other TTG game except for this season i've had to bust out the walkthrough at some point. it's not a good feeling, so far i'm 2-0 for this season though! i will say this however, season 3 could've used more polish. enginewise, the film grain, absolute future vision insanity, sometimes making the puzzles feel TOO easy

doodinthemood 05/21/2010 01:01 pm

I guess everyone's different. I found the writing better in this one, but there did seem to be less of the following:
1) click something you know is unimportant, 2) sam says something, 3) max says something witty in response.

It felt like there were a million of these items in season 1, in settings such as their office.

Avistew 05/21/2010 01:04 pm

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 310263)
Psychotic Max has been traded in for Psychic Max, making him more evolved. He'll be back when Sam asks Max "You seem different." Max: "Sorry Sam, but I'm psychic now." Sam: "Hum, just be yourself." Max: "Ok, Sam." Then they find a new toy and it makes Max grow big into the 50 foot rabbit. Sam: "I shouldn't have said that."

Your speculation is always nice to read, but I wish you didn't keep stating it as facts.

SHODANFreeman 05/21/2010 01:14 pm

Oh no, not the 50 foot rabbit!

kane 05/21/2010 01:38 pm

sorry but 50 foot rabbit! is to Dow waif vision's

Avistew 05/21/2010 01:49 pm

I know what the 50 foot rabbit is based on, there was the future vision, there is the villains' lineup, but the whole scenario you talk about is speculation and you kind of make it sound like it's totally what's going to happen.
Which is... a bit weird, I guess?

Maratanos 05/21/2010 04:43 pm

You know, it's a curious fact about popular franchises that no matter how popular they are or how consistent their quality is, there will always be, after every new release, a few people with negative reactions ranging from "I wish this thing was better" to "omg it has jumped the shark I hate the dude who made this now"

Sausy Gibbon 05/21/2010 06:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Maratanos (Post 310363)
You know, it's a curious fact about popular franchises that no matter how popular they are or how consistent their quality is, there will always be, after every new release, a few people with negative reactions ranging from "I wish this thing was better" to "omg it has jumped the shark I hate the dude who made this now"

I think that just comes down to the simple platitude, "You cant please everyone all of the time, so you have to please some people most of the time".

Avistew 05/21/2010 06:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Sausy Gibbon (Post 310440)
I think that just comes down to the simple platitude, "You cant please everyone all of the time, so you have to please some people most of the time".

Meh. I just say, make something you're proud of and see if people like it or not. Pleasing the masses isn't worth a damn if you have to make something you dislike for that.

der_ketzer 05/21/2010 09:25 pm

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Originally Posted by pwblaine (Post 310264)
i'm too feel this season is easier to beat than the last, but i'm not sure that's a bad thing... every other TTG game except for this season i've had to bust out the walkthrough

you had to use a walkthrough for the WAllace & Grommit Episodes? I think they were noticeably easier than Tomb Of Sammun-Mak.
I am also quite pleased with the fact that I don't need a walkthrough to complete the episodes in this season but still get the feeling that I accomplished something because some of the puzzles are not too obvious.

Hassat Hunter 05/21/2010 10:22 pm

I needed one twice in the final episode.
Probably because I am not too much a fan of golf...

Aside from that, don't think I needed one.

Sausy Gibbon 05/21/2010 11:33 pm

I don't understand how making a game that forces you to read a walkthrough is a mark of a good game. A good adventure game should make you think logically about your decisions rather than you having to get out of the game so you can find an illogical or esoteric solution made by the game developers. Unless your someone who doesn't want to stop and think about something so you can just finish the game, thats not why you should be playing, you don't play a game simply for the satisfaction of completing it, you play a game for the journey it takes you to finish it.

Breakman 05/23/2010 09:03 pm

I too aren't feeling it in this season. I do love the bumped up graphics (even though it crashes my laptop and runs at a 6-7 graphics level on my desktop pc, it's still impressive to me!), the controls aren't that bad, and the new (and old) characters are great.

I think not hearing a single new musical/lyrical song (yet) disappoints me. I always looked forward to those...

Episode one was good. It was getting back into the swing of things and introducing the new at the same time. Episode two, however, felt a bit too different in both good and bad. Good: I loved it's way of telling the story (jumping back and forth between reels to get the whole picture). Bad: death scenes (one of the main reasons why I never got into the Space Quest series). Also, it seemed like the story was cut short. For example, I probably wouldn't want to wander a desert to find the temple (I mean, what's there to do in a desert than just wander?), but I don't know... Maybe old black and white serials/films/etc cut to important scenes quickly like that too?

I just find this season... interesting, so far. There's a great chance this will not be my favorite... :/

light_rises 05/23/2010 09:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Breakman (Post 311671)
Bad: death scenes (one of the main reasons why I never got into the Space Quest series).

I dunno ... the deaths are funny in both, but Sammun-Mak's deaths weren't reliant upon the player having a recent save in order for the "do over" to be painless. So they felt more like pure jokes to me, without the Sierra-esque baggage. I think I would only be bothered if Telltale had gone past homage into actual "Oh, guess what! You died for real. Hope your last save wasn't made several, precious hours-of-your-life ago ... !" That said, "death-hunting" wasn't exactly at the top of my list of things to do in my first playthrough, so ... *shrug*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breakman (Post 311671)
Also, it seemed like the story was cut short. For example, I probably wouldn't want to wander a desert to find the temple (I mean, what's there to do in a desert than just wander?), but I don't know... Maybe old black and white serials/films/etc cut to important scenes quickly like that too?

My limited experience with these types of films tells me "yes." This happens a lot.

On a different note -- great to see you around here again, Breakman! Sammun-Mak turned out to be one of my personal favorites, so I find it difficult to commiserate with your disappointment, I'm afraid. I do hope you'll enjoy the next episodes more, though. There's still more than half the season to go, after all! :D

pwatol 05/24/2010 05:24 pm

I'll admit that this was the first episode that I was sort of disappointed by (and I've played through all the TTG Sam & Max episodes and S&M Hit the Road). And it was basically for the following reasons: it only took me about 4-5 hours to solve, and it didn't drive me to the hints forum in a state of desperation to figure out what the heck the sideways solution was to any puzzle. I like the stumpers that are completely psychotic that make me have to get away from the game for a couple of days so I can see things differently when I get back, and that make you say either "Duh!" or "What?!?!? Are you nuts?!?!?" when you solve them. I didn't get any of that here.

Of course, there was still the squirrelly interface for walking around that drives me bonkers so I guess I had at least one source of frustration and difficulty.

Hassat Hunter 05/25/2010 01:32 am

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Originally Posted by pwatol (Post 312132)
it only took me about 4-5 hours to solve

Isn't that more than any Season 1 or 2 episode? :confused:

Metiphis 05/25/2010 08:55 am

Episode 2 was one of my all time favorite episodes... OF ALL TIME. Really enjoyed the atmosphere, puzzles and dialogue.


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