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alucard0667 06/26/2011 05:39 am

Great new villain: Spoilers
 
Now that the series is done, what did everyone think of Edna as the main villain? I thought she was such a compelling and fresh villain, especially since Back to Future villains were always some version of Biff or his relatives. Edna was a villain that I literally went from hating her to feeling sorry for multiple times throughout the game.

There were moments where I truly felt sorry for her and almost understood her actions, but also hated her for all the horrible things she did that were just evil in way not even Biff showed. Running Doc over with the car and Doc realizing that Edna was always warped were the most powerful scenes to show just how evil can Edna go. Great villain and I think the way her story ends was the perfect balance for people who wanted her to be punished for her crimes and people who felt really sorry for her.

Nekoi 06/26/2011 07:16 am

I really hated her.. and this make her a perfect villian! If I dislike these much a villian it mean, in my advice, that it was well done and in fact she was!
She is hipocrit claiming to do bad things for the good sake of Hill Valley and that's was another great hit point for her.
She is totally different from the the Tannen which are usually clumsy and stupid, she was smart! A very hard villian to go against! :D

Shadowknight1 06/26/2011 08:33 am

I had a feeling that she was the Speakeasy Arsonist from the beginning, but I did have a hard time trying to justify her reasoning, but then when you got her confession...man, she sounded, in Doc's words, "batshit crazy."

Alstom1995 06/26/2011 08:37 am

She was a perfect villain, she fooled everyone and imo she's more evil than Biff!
The writing and voice acting for her character gave the game a fantastic story.

ShadowX81 06/26/2011 11:08 am

Way too over the top and cartoony. Especially as an elderly woman. A good villian should be someone we love to hate. Not someone who legitimatly annoys us when she is on screen.

R.I.P-Bill 06/26/2011 07:13 pm

I dunno, the one I had the most sympathy for was young Emmet. The saddest part of the game for me was when he started singing "I Don't Care" to himself while Marty climbed the Clocktower in Episode 4

lombre 06/26/2011 07:54 pm

I didn't like Edna much in Episode 3 (and the beginning of Ep 4). Far too exaggerated for my tastes. However, young Edna was a wonderful villain. She truly wanted to do good, and that made her a sympathetic character. She was evil, no doubt about it, but I still wanted things to work out for her.

Even better in my opinion was the elderly Edna seen in Episode 5, simply because her insanity was a great look at what made her tick and what went wrong with her. Yet, she still thought she was doing good, insisting that is was really Doc and "Yakov"'s fault (loved that Smirnoff bit, by the way :p). Telltale definitely did a great job with her character, certain bits in Citizen Valley aside.

63cohen 06/26/2011 08:13 pm

I had a feeling she was the arsinist, especially when Kid kidnapped her and was going to kill her, claiming it was her (or something along those lines) and that Carl Sagan was innocent. How they hooked up, ... ugh. Don't really want to think about it, but at least she is happy like Citizen Brown wanted.

No doubt I hated her guts, but it was only because she was so obviously trying to cover it up.

Shadowknight1 06/26/2011 08:59 pm

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Originally Posted by 63cohen (Post 520651)
I had a feeling she was the arsinist, especially when Kid kidnapped her and was going to kill her, claiming it was her (or something along those lines) and that Carl Sagan was innocent. How they hooked up, ... ugh. Don't really want to think about it, but at least she is happy like Citizen Brown wanted.

No doubt I hated her guts, but it was only because she was so obviously trying to cover it up.

How Edna and Kid hooked up:

While stuck in jail with Kid as they awaited their respective trials, his personality probably rubbed off on her, but at first she probably just made it her life's goal to reform him, thus leading Kid to "run" into the arms of Biff's mother(don't really have another analogy for it), and when he was recaptured, Edna probably went after him hard. I'd think that eventually some of her righteousness rubbed off on Kid and some of Kid's joie de vive rubbed off on Edna, bringing them to a good middle ground as we saw. And somehow Edna got over her hatred of dogs, which is good news for Einstein. Odds are, after a time, they simply blocked out the memory of the time machine, or they couldn't mention it to Biff in the first place, which is why Biff would still be clueless about it in both 1955 and 1985.

Alstom1995 06/27/2011 10:17 am

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Originally Posted by 63cohen (Post 520651)
I had a feeling she was the arsinist, especially when Kid kidnapped her and was going to kill her, claiming it was her (or something along those lines) and that Carl Sagan was innocent.

Yeah there's a bit when Matches I think it was says I found dynamite all over this building, and that's when Kid finds Edna planting it and she lies and says she was undercover reporting. I guess not!

Alstom1995 06/27/2011 10:52 am

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Originally Posted by lombre (Post 520642)
I didn't like Edna much in Episode 3 (and the beginning of Ep 4). Far too exaggerated for my tastes. However, young Edna was a wonderful villain. She truly wanted to do good, and that made her a sympathetic character. She was evil, no doubt about it, but I still wanted things to work out for her.

Even better in my opinion was the elderly Edna seen in Episode 5, simply because her insanity was a great look at what made her tick and what went wrong with her. Yet, she still thought she was doing good, insisting that is was really Doc and "Yakov"'s fault (loved that Smirnoff bit, by the way :p). Telltale definitely did a great job with her character, certain bits in Citizen Valley aside.

I look at old Edna as character development. The first time we see her she's a cranky lonely old woman, and the fact she accuses you of attacking her when you leave her room also shows us that she's sneaky. Which kind of sets the scene for young Edna but she's completely different or so we think! ;) Things did work out for her though, instead of being a lonely cranky woman, her future self becomes more like her younger self and she gets together with Kid lol. I wonder if that makes her Edna Tannen now?

Alstom1995 06/27/2011 10:55 am

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Originally Posted by R.I.P-Bill (Post 520626)
I dunno, the one I had the most sympathy for was young Emmet. The saddest part of the game for me was when he started singing "I Don't Care" to himself while Marty climbed the Clocktower in Episode 4

I feel sorry for Hill Valley myself, it's been altered for better and for worse and now it's been burnt down! :D

Marty Mcfly III 06/27/2011 11:03 am

I thought she was a really good villain, especially when she was young. She just seemed really believable. I hate it when villains are over exaggerated and unbelievable.

63cohen 06/27/2011 11:05 am

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Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly III (Post 520929)
I thought she was a really good villain, especially when she was young. She just seemed really believable. I hate it when villains are over exaggerated and unbelievable.

I am not sure, is she a better villain that Biff? Quite possibly.

Alstom1995 06/27/2011 11:13 am

Well Biff has done a lot of things in the name of self gain, whereas Edna managed to destroy an entire town, corrupt and use Emmett to do her evil bidding ie create a police state, pervert the course of justice, try to reprogram her husband, and commit acts of arson. Even compared to The Tannen in 1876 she seemed more dangerous than he was, when she was standing there with the burning torch!

Shadowknight1 06/27/2011 02:10 pm

Biff isn't really evil. He's just an asshole.

And Alstom, she refers to Biff as her stepson, so yes. She would be Edna Tannen.

bttf4444 06/27/2011 02:31 pm

Well, unless she chose to keep her own name - but I assume she would be a Tannen.

Shadowknight1 06/27/2011 02:39 pm

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Originally Posted by bttf4444 (Post 521095)
Well, unless she chose to keep her own name - but I assume she would be a Tannen.

Oh lord, I just realized. Poor Mr. Strickland would be related to Biff.

zelda42293 06/27/2011 02:41 pm

I really liked Edna! She had soooooo much evil deep inside! I wouldn't mind seeing her in the sequel. (Maybe not as the main villian though!)

ryannumber1gamer 06/27/2011 02:57 pm

lets see here we will make a count of the bad stuff biff does and the bad stuff edna does

Biff and his family,being a bully,forceing george to do his work,trying to act tough (cowboy tannen from bttf 3) and his griff trying to steal money from a bank but the timeline was changed to griff and his gang smashing into a clock tower and kid tannen for tax stuff and as danny parker puts it smelling like a piece of crap

Edna,burned down hill valley,framed doc,didnt care if kid tannen killed doc,being a complete nutcase and shes just plain crazy ,tricked herself into thinking that she was helping hill valley,tried to kill doc and marty with a shotgun in ep 5,smashing a car into the police station,escaped police capture,turned hill valley into a police state,tried to brain wash everyone into becoming her zombies, tried to brain wash doc, and as danny parker said she was a overall pain in the ass

so the biggest villan in bttf is EDNA


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