the Katjja conundrum
 

So when Katjja said she could not live without Duck I sort of knew what was coming, as one of my favourite characters I hoped we would be given the choice to at least try and council her though the ordeal.

So my question is –

1) Was Katjja’s decision to kill herself selfish?

I mean if she goes out alone she kills herself leaving a now doubly grieving Kenny and a post zombie Duck which Kenny will still have to deal with.
Even when they go together she kills herself in front of Kenny and her dying but still conscious son.

I would have liked it if Katjja took Duck into the woods and you hear one shot then as you and Kenny go to see them another shot rings out and you see them both dead but that’s just me.

2) How will the Duck shooting come back to bite us if we shot him or let/made Kenny do it either way I think Kenny’s story may come to an end in episode 4?

Actually, as long as you pick any of the dialouge options but "I'll do it" when they're discussing Duck at the train, Kat goes into the woods by herself. You stay to comfort Kenny, then as you explain what's going on to Clem you hear a shot. You and Kenny walk up to the clearing to find Kat laying dead, and Duck still by the tree. It goes the same after that.

EDIT: sorry, misread the part about Kat going into the woods. Sorry!

No apology needed, I’m a bit of a rambler so bravo on reading through all the wafflie bits

1) Yeah, suicide is always a selfish act. Until Kenny was dead and no one else relied on her patching up skills, she was still a vital part of a team.

2) I don't think shooting Duck will really matter. Maybe Kenny will be more despondent if he had to shoot Duck himself, but it's likely that it was just something the player should feel bad about.

I think shooting Duck or not will affect your relationship with Kenny.

you can leave duck 'alive' or to turn when you find kats body, and say to kenny do it but then when it says 'do it' or it'll be ok let it time out..

I don't think that holds true in a zombie apocalypse, but I guess that depends on how you view Irene's death in episode one. If you know you're going to turn and kill, is suicide really selfish?

Katjaa's death was selfish in that other people needed her still, but I understand why she did it. While some people considered Katjaa passive, I thought of her as more stoic. I think she just decided "enough".

Suicide is always selfish. "I don't want to suffer anymore", is the root idea. I don't think it's wrong, Katjaa and Irene did what I would probably want too. Doesn't make it not selfish; just makes it justifiable.

what kat should of done is held duck close to her and put his head next to hers and then pulled the trigger on her self..

It's easy to say what she should of done or what she could of done, reviewing it and putting our own logic into the situation. Look at it from her perspective and make the choice within a few minutes. You live in a world that your death could be seconds away in. You just found out that your lover smashed in an old guy's head in with a salt lick along with losing your one and only son. With a gun so temptingly close by and in a state of grief what would you do?

It’s not really selfish or her putting her foot down and saying “Enough is enough.” It was an impulsive move made in grief.

but thats the thing katjaa offing her self first is selfish as she is still leaving duck #alive# and as previously stated kenny or lee has to finish it/duck and then grieve for two people...

but ttg made it more emotional by having her do it this way..

That is only true of you chose to save Carley, if you chose to tell Katjaa about your past, and if you chose to tell her the truth about the meat locker. Three different variables that don't hold true in everyone's games and therefore isn't motivation for Katjaa's suicide.

1- Not at all she lost her only child, seeing him in that state and pointing the gun at him (since she didnt like them in the 1st place) took her over the edge. I dont fault her one bit.

2- Wont bite me one bit. I know Kenny- so I made him shoot Duck.

Thank god for a new topic- the ones around here have been beaten to a pulp

How can suicide be selfish when it's your life? You can do whatever you want with it.
And in a ZA? What are you living for? They're alive but I'd hardly call that living- more like surviving. Her kid is dead, all life as they knew it is gone, she knows what Kenny did to Larry, they're all changing and she, understandably, cant handle it.
I would call suicide cowardly in normal society, but never selfish. In a ZA it's even understandable.

Let's re-evaluate what selfish means. You do it with only your own interests in mind. So in theory, if even no one is around relying on you and you choose to die painlessly, that's still selfish. Selfishness doesn't have to be a bad thing or something that isn't excusable, it just has to put your own interests over everything else.

Saying that Katjaa was selfish to take an easy way out when things got their worst doesn't make her a bad person. The only time that suicide is not selfish is when it is a selfless act - you die for another. If you commit suicide and others gain from your actions, then it's selfless. Katjaa's death did nothing but make things easier for herself, cost the team the only medical expertise, and place the penultimate nail in the coffin for Kenny's total loss.

Something can be yours and you can be selfish with it. If you drink a bottle of water that's yours and others want to drink it, is that not selfish because it's your own? It doesn't matter if you're thirsty or not. You could always give it away. Doesn't matter if it's good, evil, practical or not - it's still by definition selfish.

Is eating a selfish act too?
Dying for another is a sacrifice, not a suicide.
Sacrifice is the offering of something for or to a higher purpose.
Suicide is simply the act of taking one's life, none of the sources I checked mentioned the word selfish in any of their definitions.
I dont agree.

Yeah. Surviving is a selfish act. "I ate that cow because my life is more important than its." "I didn't give the food to the needy, I ate it myself."

Sorry to get so philosophical, but you asked. And of course the dictionary doesn't have inferred meanings in its definitions. You can look up "cell phone" and it won't give you "easily lost" in its blurb, but we all know a phone is lost constantly.

By that definition there isnt much a human does voluntarily or not that isnt selfish.

Protecting others, giving up things for others and doing things without personal interest are the few examples of non-selfish acts.

Unless you're Christian. Then you just want to go to heaven.

It could be argued that even those things have a payoff for the person rendering the service and therefore selfish.