Originally Posted by Kiel555
Giving up? Lilly and Lee were actively working on achieving the best possible outcome, however remote, that Larry would survive and we would all escape from the cannibals. Thats' not giving up.
Kenny was not a team player and folded under the pressure. He made the short term situation and long term survival more dangerous because the group actions became individual actions. Lilly was in shock, Lee was pissed and Kenny could not count on Lee. So who had to take on Danny solo? Lee.
On the other hand, Larry could have survived. Or the group could have dispatched walker Larry (I would have like to have done that by the way...epic fight
) and then the group would have found a way out of the meat locker and attacked Danny as a group.
There is also the long term effect. What if we actually survived the meat locker and made it out. Kenny's way - group destroyed. Lee's way - group intact.
Kenny is horrible mainly due to his follow on actions, post meat locker, that you may not see in your game but I do in my game. I have not taken my decision to expel both Kenny and Ben as group members lightly (I've done this as best the game will allow. I've not spoken to Ben since he admitted to being the traitor and only interact with Kenny if required by the game to move the story along). They have simply demonstrated that they are not suited for the complex nature of group dynamics. Maybe they will do better as lone surviviors. I do believe we are stonger as a group than as individuals. But as I'm sure Kenny would agree, sometimes the risk outweighs the benefit.
Trying to save Larry because cannibals are outside and about to kill us anyway and we may as well go down as heroes sounds like giving up to me. And you say things like he made "long term survival more dangerous" We have to live in the here and now and face current threats. Such as the guy who if he turns into a walker, everyone is screwed.
You could hardly argue "NO KENNY DONT DO THAT! If you kill that guy who might become a walker and kill us right now and so screw the other members of our group, then weeks from now, Lilly might go phyco and kill someone!" You make short term survival sound like he started eating all the rations at once or something, not like he dealt with a immediate threat to the entire group.
Kenny's way= Pisses off Lilly but doesnt risk entire group
Lee's way=Pisses off Kenny, risks entire group for one guy.
You talk about complex nature of group dynamics, but at the end of the day, he is the guy who dealt with the threat to the entire group and you are the one who couldnt. Besides, i suspect defeating zombie Larry in a meatlocker with no weapons and Lilly in shock would just be retarded and TT knew that.
Ben= Poor stupid kid, scared for his friend, intimidated by the bandits into helping them. No reason to kick him out of group or not to talk to him.
Kenny=Removed the threat to himself and his family getting eaten alive by cannibals.
Not talking to them over those things just seems really really petty, and saying that they "dont understand the complex nature of group dynamics" seems really really pretentious.