Originally Posted by SeriousScar
Ben, he was indirectly responsible for the deaths of Carley, Kat and Duck. All of whom I liked way more than him. I don't hate Lilly, despite the fact that she killed Carley. She was broken at that point.
Ben is also indirectly responsible for the death of Chuck, who gets killed rescuing Clem after Ben abandoned her.
Originally Posted by k1ngMe
No, you got it wrong. Carley was a HUGE threat at the time. Nobody knew for sure that it was Ben, which gave reason to believe it was Carley working with the bandits. Hell, even I thought it was Carley. Eliminating threats is something any good leader would have to do in order to keep their group safe. And quit acting like Lilly didn't care about the group. If she didn't care, she wouldn't have put that much effort into the group in the first place.
A good leader doesn't shoot someone based on paranoid delusions, particularly when that someone also happens to be one of the group's most loyal and combat-effective members.
Lilly murdered a completely innocent person in cold blood, and further endangered the group both by robbing it one of its best fighters (Carley) and by guaranteeing Lilly's own exile from it. A good leader would know there would be no coming back from murdering Carley, and that it would fracture the group. A good leader would also know that the best time to deal with the traitor situation, was after everyone had some rest and a chance to clear their heads. It was a decision that had to be made with logic, not emotion.
I'm not someone who hates Lilly. I think she is a sad, tragic character...I'd love to see her return in the sequel and somehow redeem herself. But as a leader, she is completely inept, particularly after Larry's death. By act three Lilly was uninhinged, and not capable of leading anything.