Monkey Island ripped off Pirates of the Caribbean!

[BMWM5er]

the beginning of POTC2 reminded me of MI's gameplay in general










captain dread's cousin?

[RockNRoll]

PoTC was obviously influenced heavily by Monkey Island. The correlations are everywhere, but one of the most flagrant ones is the skeleton ghost pirates. I mean c'mon. That's not from the ride.

[hippodragon9]

I have no idea. I would like to think MI inspired PotC in an offbeat kinda way, since i didn't really like PotC and the characters weren't that similar.
Also because MI is absolutely freaking brilliant.

[WinterSnowblind]

Just for the record, the Pirates of the Carribean ride has no ties to the movies what-so-ever (although I have heard they recently added a Jack Sparrow). It's simply a water ride were you sit in a little boat on rails and go around a little pirate cove, there's lots of animatronic pirates, big ships and piratey music playing and that's about it.

It's a fun ride, and it apparantly was in the inspiration for making a game based on pirates, but there's no way you could claim Monkey Island ripped that off. :P

[darknessofheart]

Originally Posted by Thiftweed Fancy Pants

The Kraken?

Speaking of the Kraken, anyone else wondering if that may make an appearance in Tales?

[Thriftweed Fancy Pants]

If it did made an appearance, it would look like MI is stealing ideas from PotC.

[RockNRoll]

Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

Just for the record, the Pirates of the Carribean ride has no ties to the movies what-so-ever (although I have heard they recently added a Jack Sparrow). It's simply a water ride were you sit in a little boat on rails and go around a little pirate cove, there's lots of animatronic pirates, big ships and piratey music playing and that's about it.

It's a fun ride, and it apparantly was in the inspiration for making a game based on pirates, but there's no way you could claim Monkey Island ripped that off. :P

that is way extreme. monkey island clearly borrows heavily from PoTC the ride. the whole style and mood, not to mention explicit scenes, and the entire concept of a boy in a theme park world coming to life. the whole style and brand of pirate culture isn't even based on history nearly as much as it is directly based off of treasure island (and PoTC)

And your assertion that PoTC is no way connected to the movies is just absurd. Nearly every scene from the ride can be found in the movies.

[darknessofheart]

Originally Posted by Thiftweed Fancy Pants

If it did made an appearance, it would look like MI is stealing ideas from PotC.

Well I really wouldn't care. The Kraken would be awesome in the game if done right. I wouldn't want an opportunity like that to be passed up just because it was in a pirates of the Caribbean movie, which was taken for granted and just thrown out of the third movie as just a rotting corpse. POTC have over a dozen Monkey Island moments, so the game having just one similar aspect, one that it a part of pirate lore anyway, would not be bad.

Cp3, lair of the leviathan seems to be where the story stems into darker territory and the title may be a reference to the Kraken. I'm just judging that based on the title, the title is much darker and creepier sounding than the first two. It taking place in a lair where something like the Kraken is lurking at any possible corner would be creepy and have that same feeling as the end of Monkey Island 2 with LeChuck lurking, never knowing where or when he was and when he was going to appear. It most likely is the sea sponge, but that isn't nearly as creepy as a gigantic sea monster.

[SubSidal]

I rode the POTC ride and I must tell you: neither MI or POTC are based on the ride. Ron Gilbert only got the idea of a pirates game while he was riding it and the ride has no cursed skeleton pirates (or zombies), no voodoo elements, no voodoo lady, etc... Imho Will is Guybrush in SMI and Jack Sparrow is Guybrush in MI2 (look at the script only, obviously Jonnhy Depp gave the character quite a twist, but if you analyze the script you'll see what I mean). One of the writers of POTC (I think it was Ted Elliot, not sure right now) was asked by Steven Spielberg to write a MI script. He finished it, but then Industrial Light and Magic cancelled the project. A few months later he submits a script to Disney called POTC. So POTC is a MI ripoff admit it or not.

[petethepanda]

As others have said, On Stranger Tides inspired Ron Gilbert to create Monkey Island 1 and 2 and the PotC ride influenced the general "feel," but the screenwriters of the PotC movie weren't inspired by Monkey Island.

Man, I hope Gilbert tells us his original plan for MI3 someday. I loved where it was going at the end of 2.

[MrFerder]

Originally Posted by Lennie Melvin

Not sure how much this supports the theory but it's a good watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_unbVaCe8a4

Glad you liked it. I'm thinking of making a longer version with even more comparisons now that SoMI has been released with voices.
This video is the rough-cut of the trailer when I had just compiled the scenes but hadn't synced it to the EFMI audio. It features a lot of very monkey island-like moments that I wasn't able to fit in the final video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCjiSyrFlp0

[Juicius Maximus]

MI isn't based on anything. The PoTC ride, Treasure Island, On Stranger Tides, these are all just inspirations for the original pirate comedy adventure game we all love so much.

[Udvarnoky]

Originally Posted by Dan2593

POTC borrowed parts from Monkey Island since it was based on the same thing. 1 and 2 are the most similar. POTC3 is the worse because it's the most original.

There are tons of MI similarities in POTC3. What was Shipwreck Cove if not Woodtick by another name? There's a background gag involving a mast breaking off. The relationship between Beckett and Davy Jones was also quite similar to that of Ozzie Mandrill and LeChuck in EMI.

[darknessofheart]

Originally Posted by Udvarnoky

There are tons of MI similarities in POTC3. What was Shipwreck Cove if not Woodtick by another name? There's a background gag involving a mast breaking off. The relationship between Beckett and Davy Jones was also quite similar to that of Ozzie Mandrill and LeChuck in EMI.

Very true. Ozzie was very similar to Beckett, both in control of organizations that wanted to eradicate pirates and monopolize the Caribbean. Both made deals with supernatural beings, the only difference being that LeChuck wanted to helps in the plans until the end. Also the fact that the villains were using the position of governor to aid in their plans.

[Ignatius]

I think the most obvious references to Monkey Island (if they are not from another source) are: the dog holding the key of the prision, and the Voodoo Lady living in a swamp.

In my opinion these two things were exclusive from Monkey Island, correct me if you saw them before out of Monkey Island.
Maybe leaving keys guarded by trained dogs was usual some centuries ago? Dont know.

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by Ignatius

I think the most obvious references to Monkey Island (if they are not from another source) are: the dog holding the key of the prision, and the Voodoo Lady living in a swamp.

In my opinion these two things were exclusive from Monkey Island, correct me if you saw them before out of Monkey Island.
Maybe leaving keys guarded by trained dogs was usual some centuries ago? Dont know.

The dog with the key was in the POTC ride way before it was in MI.

[WinterSnowblind]

Originally Posted by RockNRoll

that is way extreme. monkey island clearly borrows heavily from PoTC the ride. the whole style and mood, not to mention explicit scenes, and the entire concept of a boy in a theme park world coming to life. the whole style and brand of pirate culture isn't even based on history nearly as much as it is directly based off of treasure island (and PoTC)

And your assertion that PoTC is no way connected to the movies is just absurd. Nearly every scene from the ride can be found in the movies.

If that's true, then they have massively renovated the ride, since I was last there in 2000 to make it more like the movie, as I can assure you there was no connections to it what-so-ever before the movie was released.

The mood and atmosphere may be similar, yes, but that's a fairly typical pirate thing. Like I said, the ride obviously acted as an inspiration, but it featured no kind of story that could have been "ripped off" from it.

Edit: After checking up on Wikipedia, appranantly they did extensive refurbishments in 2006 to include simalrities to the movies.

[Spadge]

It's just a funny adventure set in a pirate world. It plays on some of the pirate clichés, just as PoTC, but it also has a great story and adorable characters. Does that mean much? Only if you think every fantasy book written in the last 50 years ripped off Tolkin.

P.S. Errol Flynn is the original Guybrush Threepwood.

[Thriftweed Fancy Pants]

I think Ron said it best:

When I am in the early stages of designing, I'll read a lot of books, listen to a lot of music and watch a lot of movies. I'll pick up little ideas here and there. We in the business call it stealing.

Pirates call it plundering. Steal and be stolen from - it's the pirate way!

[Ignatius]

Originally Posted by Pale Man

The dog with the key was in the POTC ride way before it was in MI.

Thanks for pointing that out, i was suspicious about that one. It was really the same thing in both franchises.

Now, for the people that said that neither PoTC or Monkey Island made any reference to the ride, there you go.

What about the Voodoo Lady or Voodoo in general? Is some of that on the ride?