Boycot the Hints

[PariahKing]

Having standards for who is or isn't an adventure gamer beyond "they play adventure games" is stupid.

[wisp]

Originally Posted by Shwoo

I'm not. Does that mean I'm not a real adventure gamer even though I play adventure games?

that is right, you have been officially stripped of your title as "adventure gamer" hereby. as a real one you should loathe all hint-users and also despise any other form of game, be it chess, tennis or tetris, specially those first person thingies...they're like adventure gaming's kryptonite. oh yeah, and everything star wars related. we all know where that got us..

okay, seriously...of course there are people who tend to ask for help or use hints to fast and spoil the fun for themselves, but that's their decision. i mean, maybe someone just bought the game because he/she likes the story...who can judge and force them to play through the game properly.

[Eagle]

Woah never thought people would call Shish keJoe a fascist :O He's just helping people to get more out the game by saying not to use hints the first 48 hours :O...

By doing the "wrong" things in adventure games (especially Monkey Island) you'll get the most hilarious qoutes from Guybrush.... so 1 who'll directly use the hint will miss this part of the game... So Shish keJoe is really helping this people to get every thing out of the game! But yes... if one still want to use hints... go ahead... we're not stopping you :P

[doodinthemood]

This is a good idea, but it's not really worked sadly. I reckon you could probably piece together bits of that hints thread to get a walkthrough.

As for people who look at hints; the two bits of the game that took me the longest were for damned stupid reasons - I didn't notice a bucket, and I couldn't spot an island.
But it was during these times that I looked at loads of stuff, spoke to loads of folk and got a whole lot more out of it than had I whizzed through.

[JohanShogun]

Originally Posted by Eagle

Woah never thought people would call Shish keJoe a fascist :O He's just helping people to get more out the game by saying not to use hints the first 48 hours :O...

By doing the "wrong" things in adventure games (especially Monkey Island) you'll get the most hilarious qoutes from Guybrush.... so 1 who'll directly use the hint will miss this part of the game... So Shish keJoe is really helping this people to get every thing out of the game! But yes... if one still want to use hints... go ahead... we're not stopping you :P

No he's not, he's telling other people what is good for them by trying to make the other forum members boycott giving help for the first 48 hours, and that, is being a fascist. I agree with the poster who said that.

[Dangerzone]

Some of the most fun I have with these games is AFTER I complete them...

Trying to rationalize the puzzles and come up with creative hints that steer players in the right direction without blatantly telling them what to do.

I try to avoid hints myself, but they sure are fun to come up with

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by JohanShogun

No he's not, he's telling other people what is good for them by trying to make the other forum members boycott giving help for the first 48 hours, and that, is being a fascist. I agree with the poster who said that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism furthermore he didn't say you aren't allowed to post hints he just called for a boycot, if you don't like it just ignore his calling as many other people do... just don't start flaming the guy

[JohanShogun]

A wikipedia article? Seriously? What are we? twelve? A word gains it's meaning form how it's used, we both know how this word is used in common speak describing common things. See my previous post on oranges and peaches or what it was.

And, as for the boycott, voicing your oppinion on that something is wrong helps other people see that it may be wrong or at least make up their own mind. It's the silent masses who just don't care and ignore things who allows illegal or descriminating laws and policies to be passed. Applied to the forum: it's the people who don't say anything and just ignore narrow minded and descriminating forum movements who allow them to happen.

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by JohanShogun

A wikipedia article? Seriously? What are we? twelve? A word gains it's meaning form how it's used, we both know how this word is used in common speak describing common things. See my previous post on oranges and peaches or what it was.

And, as for the boycott, voicing your oppinion on that something is wrong helps other people see that it may be wrong or at least make up their own mind. It's the silent masses who just don't care and ignore things who allows illegal or descriminating laws and policies to be passed. Applied to the forum: it's the people who don't say anything and just ignore narrow minded and descriminating forum movements who allow them to happen.

:') Who is narrowminded here? Everyone knows the definition of fascist but probably you don't know. Also I posted the wikipedia link for some background info (and yes it isn't always the best resource but I thought you get the point, I see I was wrong, my fault) Anyways i've got better things to do then to convince you how you should interpret this thread . I only wanted to let you know that it's wrong to start flaming someone for giving his opinion

Anyways shall we stop this neverending discussion and set our minds on something what really matters... Monkey Island

[JohanShogun]

*sigh* fine, fascist, as to belogning to the fascist movement, and waht is the fascist movement? the fascist movement comes from the greek (or is it latin?, I forget) of force. The grounding principal of a fascistmovement is worshipping the right of the strong. Often known within for instance Fascist Spain in the 30s to quit a while, fascist italy in the 30s to quite a while but less a while, natzi germany or fascist greece (a bit after WW 2). But known from quite a bit before that, as you can tell the word having a latin (or is it greek? I forget) base.

Commonly used in daily speech to desribe someone who is narrow midned, descriminating, forceful of views their views and dividing among people to sort out who is better then other people.

Happy? Wasn't that hard, you shouldn't need a wiki for that.

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by JohanShogun

*sigh* fine, fascist, as to belogning to the fascist movement, and waht is the fascist movement? the fascist movement comes from the greek (or is it latin?, I forget) of force. The grounding principal of a fascistmovement is worshipping the right of the strong. Often known within for instance Fascist Spain in the 30s to quit a while, fascist italy in the 30s to quite a while but less a while, natzi germany or fascist greece (a bit after WW 2). But known from quite a bit before that, as you can tell the word having a latin (or is it greek? I forget) base.

Commonly used in daily speech to desribe someone who is narrow midned, descriminating, forceful of views their views and dividing among people to sort out who is better then other people.

Happy? Wasn't that hard, you shouldn't need a wiki for that.

True true.. and that was what I was trying to tell... the topicstarter didn't discriminate anyone nor was he forcing someone to do something. He just proposed something. You are right about the wiki I didn't need that but i'm a lazy guy.... sorry about that.. can we be Monkey buddy's now ?

[jurg82]

Originally Posted by Shish keJoe

The game is out for like what..? 4 hours... put a little effort in finishing it yourself..!

I call for an official 48h boycot on giving information on this game!

I agree! Actually I think only TTG should be able to post hints after 48 hrs until the first week after release. Then users should be able to post whatever they want to.

[SlamHammer]

Originally Posted by Shish keJoe

The game is out for like what..? 4 hours... put a little effort in finishing it yourself..!

I call for an official 48h boycot on giving information on this game!

Translation:

"I am an egocentric person who wants everyone to play games exactly like I do, and it bugs me that people don't.
Therefore I want to force everyone to play games exactly the way I do,
otherwise I let it bother me so much I can't sleep at night"

To the OP, Let people play the game they paid for in the comfort of their own
homes without you trying to peep through their windows, telling them how to play the game.

Next you'll be telling people what T.V. shows to watch, what books to read, and what movies to see.

Get over yourself.

And if you don't like seeing hints, my suggestion would be to
"STAY OUT OF THE HINTS FORUM"
As it obviously grates on your nerves whenever people ask for help.

And for what it's worth it's spelled "BOYCOTT"

Post Scriptum...

How would you like it, if I demanded that only people who could spell, be allowed to post on the forum?

That would certainly exclude you and your "Boycott Hints" friends

[Harpalyce]

Is fascist the new Godwin?

Also, its origins come from the Roman fasces. The bundle of sticks is meant to symbolize strength through unity - one stick is easy to break, but the bundle is not. Often there was also an axe bundled in with the sticks, symbolizing the strength of the Roman republic as backed by the people. It was a popular Roman symbol that got scooped up by Mussolini. /pedantic

Seriously, this thread is a little ridiculous.

Point one: People don't play games the exact same way you do. Shock, horror, amazement. You're not the gaming police, as much as you want to think you are.

Point two: We play games to have fun. Spending 2 hours going around in circles is, for many people, not fun. Some people can stick it out and figure out the solution. Some people, like me, just get really frustrated. Guess which solves the frustration? A nudge in the right direction from (ta da) the hint forum.

Yes, I spent the first 3 hours of my gaming time going around and around with Morgan LeFlay because I thought that the inventory couldn't be accessed because I was looking for it in the wrong place. Am I stupid? Yes. Was I frustrated? Very. Would it have been solved by a hint saying "use the hook"? YES.

There are tons of legitimate reasons to ask for a hint - you just haven't thought of them yet.

Also, if you really thought Telltale did not want to encourage all players, even ones who need hints, would they really set up a (mirabile dictu!) HINT FORUM? Telltale wants people to have fun playing their games. Fun means not being frustrated. See point #2.

If you don't like the hint forum, here's a radical idea: stay out of it.

Then you can look down your nose at the people who "cheated through the game" all you want on other forums, I'm sure. I'll go back to being a stupid pleb with my hints over here.

[AlanDeSmet]

Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey

The deeper issue is probably that real adventure gamers are disgusted by players who don't have the patience it takes to play adventure games.

Is this some extremely dry sarcasm, or are you actively trying to convince people that "real" adventure gamers are jerks and help keep adventure gaming a small niche?

[CuriosTiger]

Originally Posted by Eagle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism furthermore he didn't say you aren't allowed to post hints he just called for a boycot, if you don't like it just ignore his calling as many other people do... just don't start flaming the guy

If you say something in a public forum that is ludicrous, offensive, or worse: both, then you will be flamed. That's the natural order of things on the Internet.

On another note, I agree 100% with Harpalyce's comments above.

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by SlamHammer

Translation:

Post Scriptum...

How would you like it, if I demanded that only people who could spell, be allowed to post on the forum?

That would certainly exclude you and your "Boycott Hints" friends

I would laugh and go on with my life instead of starting a whole discussion about it :P And yes this topic is getting a little bit silly indeed XD

[Shish keJoe]

You know, i like the fact that every single person that gets mad in this topic is one that needs help finishing the 2nd chapter.

So i'm not going to be mad at you i just see your rage as a part of self preservation.

PS: All of you who get mad at this just don't understand this topic... The game was out for the better part of what..? 3h and people where already whining about hints. I mean come on, at least try to finish it yourself, I said "TRY TO" are the people who need hints so desperate to get through the game that at the first bump in the road they actually flee to the forums and beg others for help? Do you guys do that in real life to? If so that must be a pretty pathetic life with someone else always running behind you to clean up your crap.

[Harpalyce]

It must be pretty lonely up there on your terribly high horse, too.

How's the weather up there? A little chilly?

edit: Oh wait, I forgot, I'm a fluff-brained thoughtless pleb for daring to play the game another way. I'll go over here so you can have an easier time looking down your nose at me, sir.

[Shish keJoe]

Originally Posted by JohanShogun

No he's not, he's telling other people what is good for them by trying to make the other forum members boycott giving help for the first 48 hours, and that, is being a fascist. I agree with the poster who said that.

I'm not telling you what to do... I'm just hoping that people will acually use your brain instead of asking for help at the first hard thing you run into.

Originally Posted by Harpalyce

It must be pretty lonely up there on your terribly high horse, too.

How's the weather up there? A little chilly?

I like chilly, to the cold you can dress. If it gets to hot there are only so many cloths you can take of before it gets indecent.

Originally Posted by Harpalyce

edit: Oh wait, I forgot, I'm a fluff-brained thoughtless pleb for daring to play the game another way. I'll go over here so you can have an easier time looking down your nose at me, sir.

Knowledge about ones self is the first step to enlightenment so if you say your a "fluff-brained thoughtless pleb" was it? Then who am i to say your wrong.
You can't drink me under the table much less talk me under it, i'm stalward in my ideals about this topic you shall not sway me!