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Lockmort · 09/30/2009, 04:07 am

I just finished playing Chapter 3, which was totally awesome........
hoooooooowever, I liked Chapter 2 way more.

Chapter 2, in my opinion, had way more funny gags in it, and still stands out as the best Chapter so far, and perhaps even the best part of all MI games so far.
Ofcourse it was so much fun to see Murray back, and it made me laugh a bit, but not enough.
I missed the sarcastic, snapping, reference to older games, remarks from Chapter 2.

The biggest problem with this Chapter, for me personally, was that Guybrush was way to smart all of a sudden. I like him more when he is goofy, doing dumb stuff, and making funny remarks when other people are talking.
He shouldn't have to explain himself to Morgan that much, he seemed like a mentor at some point, which just didn't feel right.
The jokes this time around were "fun", but more like Disneyfun, then really fun.

The best joke for all 3 chapters is still the "cookie" one for me.

The new characters were "ok", but not very memorable. The problem is that each episode introduces us to 3 or 4 new characters who don't appear in later ones. That's a bit sad since I would have loved to see some of the previous ones pop up.
Instead I get the feeling we will not see them again.
I understand Telltale has to do this, since it's episodic and all, but still.

Another problem with this Chapter for me, were the locations and some of the items you so randomly got.
If you count them up, there were only 5 locations:

- 2 inside the manatee
- The ship
- The bottom of the ocean
- Voodoo Lady shack

Chapter 2 had twice as many which came with a lot more variety.

Then, where the hell did that seahorse head came from?? "Someone" left it on your bed? Well that's nice and random.
The totally awesome and funny parrot "dissapeared".

I also would have liked to see more of LeChuck and Elaine.

And the so called "cliffhanger" really wasn't one since there is no indication where the next chapter is going to progress too. But this is not a bad thing I guess.

But all of this doesn't really matter, since we are halfway through now, and it's normal that the middle part doesn't really stand out from the start and the climax.

Overal I have to admit I think this was still a totally great chapter; and way better then all the other adventure games out there these days, but it just didn't have the same feeling as Chapter 1 and certainly the awesome Chapter 2 had.

Now we can only pray chapter 4 comes a bit sooner then the 31st of October.

Still: Good job Telltale!

RMJ1984 · 09/30/2009, 04:15 am

For me Chapter 2 was the worst, quality over quatity.

Episode 3, Episode 1 and Episode 2 as worst.

episode 3 had such amazing characters, amazing locations, amazing animations the tubes really rocked, the puzzles rocked, it just seem to go on and on, they used each location much more. best ever!

Im also fairly sure the team that worked on Wallace and Gromit has helped this time, maybe Telltale will now realize its not to smart to make to many games at once, atleast for me this episode 3 of Tomi was such such much above the others in overall polish and quality.

Steverin0 · 09/30/2009, 04:21 am

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Originally Posted by RMJ1984

For me Chapter 2 was the worst, quality over quatity.

Same for me, have to admit I didn't really enjoy chapter 2 that much but each to their own - it just seemed too quick, small and empty despite having all those islands, which for the most part were not really hugely part of the game (at first I thought this was going to be a huge chapter with those islands and new characters and things to explore then was a bit let down I admit).

Just started chapter 3 and really enjoying it, it's on a par with episode 1 so far, back on track.

Lockmort · 09/30/2009, 04:22 am

Hmm, it's not like Chapter 2 had much more "quantity", it just had more smaller locations which made it seem longer.

Dont get me wrong, I still loved chapter 3, I just didn't think it was as funny as Chapter 2.
I get it: Manatee's are funny, stupid animals, but after the "southpark vs family guy" episode, didn't we kind of get passed that.
That felt a bit lame to me.

The puzzles were ok, but still not as great as chapter 2 (the parrot in the chest, the melting, LeChuck,....). I didn't really like them in this chapter, because I always knew what to do, just not HOW to do it. And that's what bugged me the most.
When you know the solution to something, but the game won't let you do it untill you complete something else (the facial expressions).
Chapter 2 didn't have that.

And nothing, really nothing, can top the "cookie" joke for me

Jazzy · 09/30/2009, 04:22 am

The seahorse head was a reference to when the Mafia left the head of a horse in a guy's bed as a warning, and was done by the Brotherhood as a similar warning.

The locations I found were quite big relatively speaking and quite different to each other.

Overall, this has been the best one for me, YMMV.

a3HeadedMonkey · 09/30/2009, 04:27 am

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Originally Posted by Lockmort

The biggest problem with this Chapter, for me personally, was that Guybrush was way to smart all of a sudden. I like him more when he is goofy, doing dumb stuff, and making funny remarks when other people are talking.

Oh dear. Another person that started playing MI with EMI eh? I hate what that game has done to MI.

Guybrush is perfect in Tales. Play the other games. He's the smartest guy in the games. Just other people in the games don't realise it that's all.

eMKayeN · 09/30/2009, 04:33 am

Chapter 2 is the worst so far.

3 > 1 > 2

eskimo · 09/30/2009, 04:33 am

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Originally Posted by Lockmort

And the so called "cliffhanger" really wasn't one since there is no indication where the next chapter is going to progress too. But this is not a bad thing I guess.

This is sarcasm, right?

Morgan is a bounty hunter, hired by De Singe on Flotsam island. There is a courthouse on Flotsam island.

When Morgan KOs Guybrush at the end, and the thing pops up that says we're to be continued in the next episode titled "The Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood", you can't figure out where this is headed?

Please tell me that this is sarcasm.....

bai_ganyo · 09/30/2009, 05:27 am

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Originally Posted by a3HeadedMonkey

Oh dear. Another person that started playing MI with EMI eh? I hate what that game has done to MI.

Guybrush is perfect in Tales. Play the other games. He's the smartest guy in the games. Just other people in the games don't realise it that's all.

Thumbs up to that. Guybrush is sort of a nerdy guy, he's not Adam Sandler.

Lockmort · 09/30/2009, 05:30 am

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Originally Posted by a3HeadedMonkey

Oh dear. Another person that started playing MI with EMI eh? I hate what that game has done to MI.

Guybrush is perfect in Tales. Play the other games. He's the smartest guy in the games. Just other people in the games don't realise it that's all.

Excuse me? Lol

I started playing 20 years ago with MI1, when you were probably still in the whomb, thank you very much.
I don't even count Escape as a Monkey Island game.

And Guybrush is never the smartest person in the games, he's an ordinary guy, not dumb, but certainly not highly intelligent.
And he is considered "goofy" and "stupid" by the other characters, so I thought it was a bit weird to see someone see him as sort of a "mentor" and him acting that way too.

Lockmort · 09/30/2009, 05:31 am

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Originally Posted by eskimo

This is sarcasm, right?

Morgan is a bounty hunter, hired by De Singe on Flotsam island. There is a courthouse on Flotsam island.

When Morgan KOs Guybrush at the end, and the thing pops up that says we're to be continued in the next episode titled "The Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood", you can't figure out where this is headed?

Please tell me that this is sarcasm.....

They're not going back to Flotsam and no it's not sarcasm.
If they were going back to Flotsam that would mean the re-use of old material which Telltale won't do I hope.
And if they did, then chapter 3 could be ready in 1 week since they dont need to make new locations, which in a way would be awesome.

Rather Dashing · 09/30/2009, 05:34 am

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Originally Posted by Lockmort

They're not going back to Flotsam and no it's not sarcasm.
If they were going back to Flotsam that would mean the re-use of old material which Telltale won't do I hope.

You mean like how they never re-used the Narwhal?

Or how they never re-used character models?

We saw a courthouse in Episode 1.

We couldn't go IN said courthouse.

The judge was going to be gone for 3 months, the waiting time between episodes 1 and 4, a sly wink to us.

We're going back to Flotsam.

Lockmort · 09/30/2009, 05:38 am

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Originally Posted by Rather Dashing

You mean like how they never re-used the Narwhal?

Or how they never re-used character models?

We saw a courthouse in Episode 1.

We couldn't go IN said courthouse.

The judge was going to be gone for 3 months, the waiting time between episodes 1 and 4, a sly wink to us.

We're going back to Flotsam.

I think we're going back to the Courthouse ON flotsam, but not free roaming in Flotsam again.
Like I said that would mean the re-use of old locations, which is great, but doesn'"t take a lot of work which would mean chapter 4 could be done faster which would be awesome.

der_ketzer · 09/30/2009, 05:39 am

btw: how did he get off the island when nobody else could?

Duate · 09/30/2009, 05:46 am

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Originally Posted by Lockmort

Excuse me? Lol

I started playing 20 years ago with MI1, when you were probably still in the whomb, thank you very much.
I don't even count Escape as a Monkey Island game.

And Guybrush is never the smartest person in the games, he's an ordinary guy, not dumb, but certainly not highly intelligent.
And he is considered "goofy" and "stupid" by the other characters, so I thought it was a bit weird to see someone see him as sort of a "mentor" and him acting that way too.

no actually, guybrush has always been a step above the other characters in cleverness, but he just doesn't show it.

he usually has a plan in mind (and as the player you do too) that is a bit beyond what all the other characters expect him to be able to accomplish.

guybrush is NOT an inspector clouseau (from pink panther fame) who just ACCIDENTALLY solves everything. he's actually a deeper thinker who usually plays his hands close to the chest so nobody KNOWS what he's up to. sure SOMETIMES he bungles into an solution, but usually he has a clear goal in mind. usually he's actually very cleverly manipulating other people into doing things that benefit his plan. what, you think he was just being STUPID when he was convincing morgan to do "recon" on that guy? how can you not see that he had a plan that whole time?

for some reason it offends me, when people assume that just because he improvises a lot that means he's an imbecile. guybrush is NOT a moron, he just doesn't do everything in a conventional way. which is his charm, really.

replay all the games, you'll see what i mean.

Epic Kiwi · 09/30/2009, 05:47 am

I did love how Telltale put much more effort into the bit characters in Chapter 3. You could still tell where they used parts of the same models, but it was worlds above all the twins and triplets in chapters 1 & 2. I actually felt like they were different people this time around.

And again, Morgan is so darn cute.

Lockmort · 09/30/2009, 05:59 am

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Originally Posted by Duate

no actually, guybrush has always been a step above the other characters in cleverness, but he just doesn't show it.

he usually has a plan in mind (and as the player you do too) that is a bit beyond what all the other characters expect him to be able to accomplish.

guybrush is NOT an inspector clouseau (from pink panther fame) who just ACCIDENTALLY solves everything. he's actually a deeper thinker who usually plays his hands close to the chest so nobody KNOWS what he's up to. sure SOMETIMES he bungles into an solution, but usually he has a clear goal in mind. usually he's actually very cleverly manipulating other people into doing things that benefit his plan. what, you think he was just being STUPID when he was convincing morgan to do "recon" on that guy? how can you not see that he had a plan that whole time?

for some reason it offends me, when people assume that just because he improvises a lot that means he's an imbecile. guybrush is NOT a moron, he just doesn't do everything in a conventional way. which is his charm, really.

replay all the games, you'll see what i mean.

Its people like you who force their opinion on others which offends me

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I have replayed every Monkey Island game the past 2 months, even the dreaded Escape and Guybrush is by all means not the highly intelligent person you make him out to be.
Nobody ever said he is a moron or Inspector Clouseau, but his "geekyness", and the way he is so clumsy half of the time are the things that make us laugh.

The way I see Guybrush, and the way I like him, is that he is just an ordinary person like you and me. No moron, but certainly not a highly intelligent lifeforce. The reason we like Guybrush so much is because he reminds us of ourselves. Who doesn't want to be a mighty pirate?

The reason he can manpulate others is not because he is so smart, it's because they are so stupid. The manipulation doesn't work on Elaine for instance.

In my eyes, Guybrush is the only sane person in a world of fools.
In the land of the blind, one eye is king.

And besides why should we all have the same picture of Guybrush. I think it's quite nice everybody can give another reason for his behaviour or think differently about the character. There is no "right" or "wrong" here.

Even tough the "die hard fanboys" like yourself who think they are the only ones who ever played Monkey Island and are the only ones who are right, try to keep the others from having their own interpretation

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I started playing MI1 20 years ago and still have fond memories of it. And I think its great Telltale gives the younger generation a chance to get to know Guybrush, even though they are changing him a bit.

onlyamonkey · 09/30/2009, 06:10 am

Where's the vomiting smiley? I disagree anyways. I disagree as much as you can disagree basicly.

Lockmort · 09/30/2009, 06:12 am

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Originally Posted by onlyamonkey

Where's the vomiting smiley? I disagree anyways. I disagree as much as you can disagree basicly.

Complaining about it helps

Duate · 09/30/2009, 06:20 am

I love how almost every time i state my opinion here i'm accused of forcing it down everybody's throats. this has happened to me a few times (whenever i've ventured to offer my point of view). i have an opinion too, and if you dont agree with it then move on and stop getting upset with how my opinion is somehow infringing on your opinion's right to live or something. it's really not the end of the world.

Jesus.

And btw you're not the only enlightened soul who started playing MI 20 years ago. a lot of us here are in fact lifelong fans so please stop acting like that makes you somehow smarter or more qualified to talk about it. i too started playing with MI1. you're not that special.

Being offended by a differing opinion than yours is just as bad as me "forcing my opinion on you." By which i mean, it's just as annoying as the heinous slight you think i am doing to you.

I dont care if you disagree with me. so what? why should i? am i going to think about you AT ALL during the rest of my day? not a chance.

but when people start acting like i'm somehow FORCING them to agree with me, well it just comes off as a juvenile who's struggling so desperately to find a sense of identity that they instantly rebel against anything that resembles a differing opinion. and it reeks of desperation and immaturity.

agree with me or dont agree with me, but seriously, please just grow up a little and stop forcing your opinion that i am forcing my opinion down your throat. (see, it works both ways, how quaint)

09/30/2009, 04:07 am	#1
Lockmort Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 94	Chapter 2 better then Chapter 3 I just finished playing Chapter 3, which was totally awesome........ hoooooooowever, I liked Chapter 2 way more. Chapter 2, in my opinion, had way more funny gags in it, and still stands out as the best Chapter so far, and perhaps even the best part of all MI games so far. Ofcourse it was so much fun to see Murray back, and it made me laugh a bit, but not enough. I missed the sarcastic, snapping, reference to older games, remarks from Chapter 2. The biggest problem with this Chapter, for me personally, was that Guybrush was way to smart all of a sudden. I like him more when he is goofy, doing dumb stuff, and making funny remarks when other people are talking. He shouldn't have to explain himself to Morgan that much, he seemed like a mentor at some point, which just didn't feel right. The jokes this time around were "fun", but more like Disneyfun, then really fun. The best joke for all 3 chapters is still the "cookie" one for me. The new characters were "ok", but not very memorable. The problem is that each episode introduces us to 3 or 4 new characters who don't appear in later ones. That's a bit sad since I would have loved to see some of the previous ones pop up. Instead I get the feeling we will not see them again. I understand Telltale has to do this, since it's episodic and all, but still. Another problem with this Chapter for me, were the locations and some of the items you so randomly got. If you count them up, there were only 5 locations: - 2 inside the manatee - The ship - The bottom of the ocean - Voodoo Lady shack Chapter 2 had twice as many which came with a lot more variety. Then, where the hell did that seahorse head came from?? "Someone" left it on your bed? Well that's nice and random. The totally awesome and funny parrot "dissapeared". I also would have liked to see more of LeChuck and Elaine. And the so called "cliffhanger" really wasn't one since there is no indication where the next chapter is going to progress too. But this is not a bad thing I guess. But all of this doesn't really matter, since we are halfway through now, and it's normal that the middle part doesn't really stand out from the start and the climax. Overal I have to admit I think this was still a totally great chapter; and way better then all the other adventure games out there these days, but it just didn't have the same feeling as Chapter 1 and certainly the awesome Chapter 2 had. Now we can only pray chapter 4 comes a bit sooner then the 31st of October. Still: Good job Telltale!

09/30/2009, 04:22 am	#5
Jazzy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 305	The seahorse head was a reference to when the Mafia left the head of a horse in a guy's bed as a warning, and was done by the Brotherhood as a similar warning. The locations I found were quite big relatively speaking and quite different to each other. Overall, this has been the best one for me, YMMV. __________________ "They'll get my gun when they take it from my cold, dead, furry white paw." - Vote Max for a Brighter Tomorrow.

09/30/2009, 05:47 am	#16
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Duate The Suprise is A DOLLY?? Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 373	I love how almost every time i state my opinion here i'm accused of forcing it down everybody's throats. this has happened to me a few times (whenever i've ventured to offer my point of view). i have an opinion too, and if you dont agree with it then move on and stop getting upset with how my opinion is somehow infringing on your opinion's right to live or something. it's really not the end of the world. Jesus. And btw you're not the only enlightened soul who started playing MI 20 years ago. a lot of us here are in fact lifelong fans so please stop acting like that makes you somehow smarter or more qualified to talk about it. i too started playing with MI1. you're not that special. Being offended by a differing opinion than yours is just as bad as me "forcing my opinion on you." By which i mean, it's just as annoying as the heinous slight you think i am doing to you. I dont care if you disagree with me. so what? why should i? am i going to think about you AT ALL during the rest of my day? not a chance. but when people start acting like i'm somehow FORCING them to agree with me, well it just comes off as a juvenile who's struggling so desperately to find a sense of identity that they instantly rebel against anything that resembles a differing opinion. and it reeks of desperation and immaturity. agree with me or dont agree with me, but seriously, please just grow up a little and stop forcing your opinion that i am forcing my opinion down your throat. (see, it works both ways, how quaint)