A thread for those mislead sheep, who really believe, chapter two was the best one

[bai_ganyo]

Something I gotta get off my chest.

Chapter two was quite a disappointment for me, due to following reasons:

- The puzzles were much, much too easy. The only place, I got stuck, was finding the damn bucket.

- Mermaidfolks? There where not funny at all, they all look the same and behave the same, no character at all, all are friendly and peaceful. Apart from that, in my opinion, they don't really fit the MI-series. The supernatural in MI is about spooky Carribean legends, that lure in the jungle or under the sea, not about another intelligent race, that lives peacfully at some island and is known to the general public.

- The pirates look the same, like the persons of Chapter one and they're not interesting, funny or building up any sort of tension. And again, none of them has a character, they are just ill-tempered, but they seem more like puppets of the curse, than actual persons.

- I did not like the look of Spinner Cay. Looked too smooth and cartooney, like a Disney background.

- more places to go? excuse me? Did you mean the jungle or the few beaches? The only new "places" were Spinner cay and DeCava's shack.

- hide the parrot in the chest and then search the small islands? Of course I thought of it, but the sollution is plain nonsence. You don't get to know, if the two pirates burry it at another island, they could as easily bury it at some of the beaches of the island, they are on. The parrot says it's line e-ve-ry 5 minutes. Don't they notice that themselves? Why don't they wonder, why the chest is speaking, goddammit?

- Though a funny adventure is everything apart from realistic, I didn't like the fact, that the mast was replaced in 2 seconds, without the mareperson being payed.

- Running with the melted pyrate and then pouring it off the cliff exactly in the turtleform? Again, realism is not to be seeked for, but still. This 'try to get to the destination in as little screens as possible' was never too good a solution for a problem.

- Why did you do the talking to LeChuck part, when it is no puzzle? Why, Telltale? It could have been such a good puzzle, this would have washed the chapter clean of everything else. You just have to give him the pearl, which he obviously has to use with the seahorse and tell him to do so. It could have been so much funnier, if he doesn't get it and you have to fool him in order to get him to do, what is obvious.

- the game was way too short? Chapter one and two had (like S&M season 2) following structure:
a short puzzle; two long puzzles, mostly consistend of three parts and a short puzzle in the end. The Siege of Spinner Cay did not have those two long puzzles, instead it had two short ones and the last one wasn't really a puzzle, for it was way too easily handled.

And Chapter three!

- New faces! Not the same, as in Chapter 1. And DeCava looks great. Everyone has ten times more personality, than the characters in Chapter two (except the main characters of course).

- The backgrounds were marvelous, the look of the intestines you slide through, the way "The Screaming N." has its mast inside the manatee's ear, Guybrush's movements underwater, the manatee-models, not to mension the wonderfully athmospheric green flashes, coming from Reginald Van Winslow, having locked himself in the hopelessly stranded ship.

- puzzles again! Though every puzzle was fairly easily solved and I rarely had to stop and ponder, the puzzle ideas were amazing. Using the locket and collecting facial expressions and remembering the details of reviving Morgan were splendid. They were as good as the puzzle in DeSinge's lab in Chapter 1, which had been the best puzzle so far.

- All the cut scenes gave this Chapter a cinematic feel. The camera-movements were much better, than in Chapter 2.

- While Chapter two felt like a side story, that is not important for the main one, and is only initiated, because the infested pirates are slowing Guybrush down, this Chapter affected the main characters in much broader sence and the player got lots of background information, like meeting the former love of the voodoo lady or getting to know Morgan better.

- The end was wonderful, having the manatee eat DeCarva's ship again and having Murray fall into a chest again was wonderfully ironic.

- The unforeseen twists of the story reminded me of older MI games: DeCarva capturing Mo and Guybrush, Guybrush joining the mutineers, them turning against him, DeCava joining up with them and Morgan turning against Guybrush again.

I could go on, but feel, that I stated my point.
Chapter two was allright, but after the promises of the first one (the pox spreading, Guybrush being infested, LeChuck and Elaine getting close and a headhunter after Guybrush), Chapter two did not much to progress these pressing issues, they remained more or less the same. The only new stuff was, that Elaine is infected too, we get to meet Morgan and Guybrush gets his hand chopped off (thank you for that, by the way).

[Iron Curtain]

Though I agree with your opinions, don't call those who liked Chapter 2 "mislead sheep." That's just insulting.

[Vitoner]

Chapter 3 is better, but chapter 2 isn't that bad.

[onlyamonkey]

Mislead sheep is way too kind imho.

[SurplusGamer]

Why do you care if someone wants to prefer Chapter 2. I think it was just fine. At the time I thought it did everything Chapter 1 did, but a little better, and I think I stand by that.

I also happen to think that chapter 3 is a great leap forward for the series and Telltale in general, but I'm not going to get mad just because someone else doesn't think so, or imply that they're stupid for thinking so. Chill out.

[Iron Curtain]

Originally Posted by SurplusGamer

Why do you care if someone wants to prefer Chapter 2. I think it was just fine. At the time I thought it did everything Chapter 1 did, but a little better, and I think I stand by that.

I also happen to think that chapter 3 is a great leap forward for the series and Telltale in general, but I'm not going to get mad just because someone else doesn't think so, or imply that they're stupid for thinking so. Chill out.

What he said.

[Rather Dashing]

As much as I agree with your assessment and think that the 3rd episode is the series' strongest and the second is the series' weakest, people are actually allowed to have their own opinions without being morons. Especially in the realm of puzzles, in which those that stump one person will come easily to another, even those who are equally "adept" at puzzle-solving.

[der_ketzer]

Originally Posted by bai_ganyo

- Though a funny adventure is everything apart from realistic, I didn't like the fact, that the mast was replaced in 2 seconds, without the mareperson being payed.

They get payed. replay the episode to find out about it.

Originally Posted by bai_ganyo

- Running with the melted pyrate and then pouring it off the cliff exactly in the turtleform? Again, realism is not to be seeked for, but still. This 'try to get to the destination in as little screens as possible' was never too good a solution for a problem.

I agree on that one. Illogical puzzle ftw.

Originally Posted by bai_ganyo

- Why did you do the talking to LeChuck part, when it is no puzzle? Why, Telltale? It could have been such a good puzzle, this would have washed the chapter clean of everything else. You just have to give him the pearl, which he obviously has to use with the seahorse and tell him to do so. It could have been so much funnier, if he doesn't get it and you have to fool him in order to get him to do, what is obvious.

The fun with this puzzle was not solving it. The funniest thing about it was to find every false move and make him do it.

[kksmith]

I agree with the OP on pretty much every point. Though I think it's ok if people liked episode 2 :P

[Jazzy]

Originally Posted by Iron Curtain

What he said.

What he said about what SurplusGamer said.

[Rather Dashing]

Originally Posted by der_ketzer

The fun with this puzzle was not solving it. The funniest thing about it was to find every false move and make him do it.

That's nice, but this is an ADVENTURE game, not an INTERACTIVE STORYBOOK game. So generally a puzzle should be involved. Setting up a CHANCE for you to mess around without actually requiring it makes it a detour, and I found myself groaning as I tried the incorrect options knowing the solution because it was tedium to get to the next line. This sort of thing could have stemmed ORGANICALLY from an actually difficult puzzle, with the gag options still there. Excellent concept, piss-poor execution.

[Nightwalker]

Originally Posted by bai_ganyo

- Mermaidfolks? There where not funny at all, they all look the same and behave the same, no character at all, all are friendly and peaceful. Apart from that, in my opinion, they don't really fit the MI-series. The supernatural in MI is about spooky Carribean legends, that lure in the jungle or under the sea, not about another intelligent race, that lives peacfully at some island and is known to the general public.

Completely agree on this one, felt like I was a playing some other, more RPG-like game for a moment there...

[JedExodus]

Misled sheep, HAH! We were all taken in by the lies and deceptions of episode two, oh us poor ignorant fools!

[Spadge]

I liked Chapter 2 actually. It was better than the first one. It had merfolk, the puzzles were fun, the story kicked in and there was some nice exploration. So... Baaaah?

[nofacej]

3 > 2 > 1
In my book anyway.

[thin029]

Originally Posted by onlyamonkey

Mislead sheep is way too kind imho.

Quote for truth
Edit: It's 3 > 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> 2 for me

[Shepard]

I really like the second chapter, it´s better than the first one, in my opinion. But the third episode is simply superb, it´s my favourite by far. I really hope to see De Cava and his crew again, I love these guys

Edit: Added spoiler tags, sorry for the inconvenience. Also, don´t read the quote in the next post if you don´t want to be spoiled.

[Rather Dashing]

Originally Posted by Shepard

I really like the second chapter, it´s better than the first one, in my opinion. But the third episode is simply superb, it´s my favourite by far. I really hope to see De Cava and his crew again, I love these guys

You'd think SHEPARD would be herding the Chapter 2-loving SHEEP into their pens.

[Raven266]

thanks for spoiling the ending eh

[doggans]

I'm of the firm belief that so far each chapter has been better than the one before it.

Originally Posted by bai_ganyo

- Why did you do the talking to LeChuck part, when it is no puzzle? Why, Telltale? It could have been such a good puzzle, this would have washed the chapter clean of everything else. You just have to give him the pearl, which he obviously has to use with the seahorse and tell him to do so. It could have been so much funnier, if he doesn't get it and you have to fool him in order to get him to do, what is obvious.

Sure, maybe this part COULD have been even better, but I thought it was still the funniest part in the chapter. Brought back many memories of trying to give my sister hints for MI2.

And I still adore the atmosphere in Spinner Cay...the colors, the music...it's a unique blend of soothing and eerie.

But of course, that's just my opinion.