Lechuck? (Possible Spoilers)

[Uzrname]

No, he didn't appear in EMI. I remember him in CMI, but somehow I thought he died at the end, because he was strapped to that roller coaster panorama with fake Guybrush.

Though now come to think of it, he did appear in the ending scene, so maybe he could return once more. The question is: as a pirate or as a cartographer?

[birky]

I've enjoyed have the voodoo lady as a more ambiguous figure in Tales. She definitely needed some development after 4 games of being a useful guide/quest giver and not much else. I think the best move would be not no explain away her motives (i.e LeChuck Voodoo spell) but not make her the an unquestionably evil antagonist. In fact I think ToMI is up with Revenge for having genuinely interesting and complex characters.

My main request for another MI game would be for there to be a good legend to uncover again. There have been few instances as enjoyable as discovering the fates of Marley's crew in MI2

[Reaper Lyn]

Originally Posted by Uzrname

It was actually "men of low moral fiber" i.e. pirates, but I get your point.

Darn, I knew I was paraphrasing, but I thought I got it right. xD Oh well, it's a sign I need to go play Secret again...

Originally Posted by Uzrname

the Caribbean start to slowly regain its pirateness, seeing as they're not afraid anymore. Many pirates start to try to take LeChuck's place, but suddenly comes Largo - he challenges Guybrush and tells him about yet another voodoo shenanigan that could potentially revive LeChuck.

This I could see. Wasn't it always mentioned that pirating was waning in the Caribbean because LeChuck was so powerful that he was even scaring other pirates? So once word spreads that he's gone, there'll be a sort of power vacuum that the rest of the pirates needs to fill. And, incidentally, this will probably create quite a few more bounties for Morgan to pursue.

A nice legend/myth arc is always fun. Something that spanned all of the episodes would be cool - you'd find out a little more each time, and fit the pieces together. Just like on Lost! But with more closure.

[Uzrname]

Definitely. Secrets (uh-huh) always lie within the first games. What is the Secret of Monkey Island? Will LeChuck finally die for good? Will Stan finally learn that the only thing worth selling out there are his own jackets? We may never know.

[apenpaap]

Originally Posted by Reaper Lyn

This I could see. Wasn't it always mentioned that pirating was waning in the Caribbean because LeChuck was so powerful that he was even scaring other pirates? So once word spreads that he's gone, there'll be a sort of power vacuum that the rest of the pirates needs to fill. And, incidentally, this will probably create quite a few more bounties for Morgan to pursue.

I think we've only heard that in Secret, and even then it seemed to me they were only talking about Melee Island. In Curse, piracy seems not to be troubled by LeChuck.

[Uzrname]

Originally Posted by apenpaap

I think we've only heard that in Secret, and even then it seemed to me they were only talking about Melee Island. In Curse, piracy seems not to be troubled by LeChuck.

Correct, but that was the original idea. Make stories about LeChuck sound terrifying. Then it moved on. I meant to say the exact same thing: return to the original idea of being free from LeChuck.

[Ash735]

I'm bringing another card to the table, we all like LeChuck, but if the series were to continue, LeChuck CAN NOT be apart of it, main reason, Earl Boen is retired so I doubt he'll want to keep coming back to this. We've already had an attempt to replace him, which was a disaster in my ears, which leaves the option to either leave LeChuck out or return him to Human form and bring Kevin back.

[Hayden]

Originally Posted by Uzrname

It was actually "men of low moral fiber" i.e. pirates, but I get your point.


And while at it, here's what I would've liked to happen in the next game: with LeChuck stuck in time/space for good now, the Caribbean start to slowly regain its pirateness, seeing as they're not afraid anymore. Many pirates start to try to take LeChuck's place, but suddenly comes Largo - he challenges Guybrush and tells him about yet another voodoo shenanigan that could potentially revive LeChuck. And while the two of them race each other in search for the ingredients: Guybrush to prevent this from happening and Largo to make it happen, they both bump into the Voodoo Lady who, gaining LeChuck's power, has started gaining lust for it

What would've been really wicked is Guybrush eventually journeying into the remains of LeChuck's mind, where he encounters weird things and people and finally learns some shocking truth (like LeChuck actually being his brother, or something), before confronting the final villain. There must be a huge twist in the storyline for this though.

You know what? That really, really could work quite well! I love the idea of a race between two crews! Maybe Guybrush, Morgan and Winslow against Largo, Kate Capsize, and what's left of LeChuck's skeleton army. And maybe the "venturing through LeChuck's mind" thing can be a result of a voodoo curse put upon them by the Voodoo Lady.

But, then again, I don't really want the Voodoo Lady to become a villain - I just want her to merely be a neutral force that keeps to herself (and occasionally lends Guybrush a hand). And I'm also not too keen on returning characters from previous games, but if the Voodoo Lady was intended to be a villain and Telltale were planning on returning Largo anyway, then this would be the perfect scenario.

LeChuck being Guybrush's borther? Bad idea, in my opinion.

[Hayden]

Originally Posted by Ash735

I'm bringing another card to the table, we all like LeChuck, but if the series were to continue, LeChuck CAN NOT be apart of it, main reason, Earl Boen is retired so I doubt he'll want to keep coming back to this. We've already had an attempt to replace him, which was a disaster in my ears, which leaves the option to either leave LeChuck out or return him to Human form and bring Kevin back.

I actually didn't mind Adam Harrington voicing LeChuck, and plus, if he were to voice him for several chapters, there is no doubt that he would get the hang of portraying the character, improve and ultimately fit the part a lot better. But, I really don't want LeChuck to be in the next MI game anyway - all of his evil plots are just the same thing over and over. Sure he's a good character and we all love him, but there's just no room for him in the story anymore. I'm not against bringing him back in for a later MI game, but it is absolutely essential that they leave LeChuck out of the next game entirely.

[Uzrname]

Originally Posted by Ash735

I'm bringing another card to the table, we all like LeChuck, but if the series were to continue, LeChuck CAN NOT be apart of it, main reason, Earl Boen is retired so I doubt he'll want to keep coming back to this. We've already had an attempt to replace him, which was a disaster in my ears, which leaves the option to either leave LeChuck out or return him to Human form and bring Kevin back.

Dunno, sounds like a pretty shallow argument to me. Boen is still up for another couple of years, I know he turns what 70 like next year? His voice is irreproachable no matter how old he might sound. Then again, he might refuse, that yes. But if he does, I doubt they won't find another good replacement for LeChuck. I think even Kevin could do him, just take a bit deeper, meaner voice and here you go.

Speaking of voices (yeah yeah, off topic), the one I really didn't like was Morgan's. We all discussed here how she looks all cutie pie just to mesmerize her enemies, before taking on them. Well, I think that Rapp's voice is really unfitting for her in this case. It's high-pitched, kiddish and somewhat annoying to ears when you listen to it a lot, making her sound more like she's some kid at 90210 rather than a game character.

I've got nothing against Rapp thou, her voicing is good, she does kids astonishingly well. I'm just saying that it doesn't fit Morgan imo.

[Uzrname]

Originally Posted by haydenwce27

Maybe Guybrush, Morgan and Winslow against Largo, Kate Capsize, and what's left of LeChuck's skeleton army.

I was thinking more these four against Largo who goes on re-hiring the three democratically united slackers (too bad Noogie's gone thou). That would be some crew - Largo yelling at everybody and the others just partying lol
Or maybe not. But it's easy to find the right crew once you get the hang of the main plot idea there.

Originally Posted by haydenwce27

And maybe the "venturing through LeChuck's mind" thing can be a result of a voodoo curse put upon them by the Voodoo Lady.

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But, then again, I don't really want the Voodoo Lady to become a villain - I just want her to merely be a neutral force that keeps to herself (and occasionally lends Guybrush a hand).

She wouldn't be necessarily evil in this case. I think that what they could do is portraying her lusting for that Lechuck's power, and when she finally gets it, she turns a bit demon-esque and starts doing nasty things. But then she would be overcome by Guybrush in the same episode (somewhere mid-game), and De Cava would show up, as usual accusing Guybrush of "nearly killing" his sweet love. Then somehow it would be found out that the evil lies deep inside the Voodoo Lady's mind and Guybrush must travel inside it in order to exterminate it.

This could be another episode in which Guybrush travels inside the Voodoo Lady's mind instead and finds a lot of strange stuff, only to encounter LeChuck at the end once more (in his flaming demon form this time). They would engage in battle and Guybrush would kick him off of her mind.

What happens next, I dunno. You think of the rest now =)

[Uzrname]

Btw, I think we completely forgot about Murray. Why not make HIM the main villain this time? A skull with some attitude, saying to Guybrush: "Well, what do you say now, puny mortal? You thought all these times that I was just some skull unable to defend myself? Well, tremble before my new power MWAHAHAHAHA"

All this time we've been taking Murray too jokingly. If he would be reappearing causing some serious trouble I think that might actually work.

@hayden While I don't spurn the idea of giving LeChuck a break, I think removing him from the game completely is a tad too much. He's a trademark, and, well, he must be present at least in one episode and do some of his boring stuff, but putting him on par with another entity could actually work.

[Hayden]

Originally Posted by Uzrname

I was thinking more these four against Largo who goes on re-hiring the three democratically united slackers (too bad Noogie's gone thou). That would be some crew - Largo yelling at everybody and the others just partying lol
Or maybe not. But it's easy to find the right crew once you get the hang of the main plot idea there.


She wouldn't be necessarily evil in this case. I think that what they could do is portraying her lusting for that Lechuck's power, and when she finally gets it, she turns a bit demon-esque and starts doing nasty things. But then she would be overcome by Guybrush in the same episode (somewhere mid-game), and De Cava would show up, as usual accusing Guybrush of "nearly killing" his sweet love. Then somehow it would be found out that the evil lies deep inside the Voodoo Lady's mind and Guybrush must travel inside it in order to exterminate it.

This could be another episode in which Guybrush travels inside the Voodoo Lady's mind instead and finds a lot of strange stuff, only to encounter LeChuck at the end once more (in his flaming demon form this time). They would engage in battle and Guybrush would kick him off of her mind.

What happens next, I dunno. You think of the rest now =)

I like this. Because it would mean that the Voodoo Lady isn't truly evil (which you clearly stated) and LeChuck won't truly be a physically existent, he'll just be a thought or figment of the Voodoo Lady's imagination that is corrupting her mind and working through her to do his bidding. Then, while Guybrush and Largo (and their respective crews) run into LeChuck in the Voodoo Lady's mind, it can be revealed that LeChuck is controlling the Voodoo Lady and that he purposely drew them into the Voodoo Lady's mind so that he could escape from it using one of their ships (and the help of Largo and his crew of course). LeChuck, Largo and the crew escape successfully, leaving Guybrush, Winslow and Morgan to be trapped forever inside the Voodoo Lady's mind. They then must find a way out of there.

Okay, if you managed to follow all of that, then you come up with then next part. And, in case you're wondering how LeChuck came to reside inside the Voodoo Lady's mind - it happened when fumes escaped from the jar holding LeChuck's remains and entered the Voodoo Lady (these fumes would, of course, be magical or voodoo-y).

[Hayden]

Originally Posted by Uzrname

Btw, I think we completely forgot about Murray. Why not make HIM the main villain this time? A skull with some attitude, saying to Guybrush: "Well, what do you say now, puny mortal? You thought all these times that I was just some skull unable to defend myself? Well, tremble before my new power MWAHAHAHAHA"

All this time we've been taking Murray too jokingly. If he would be reappearing causing some serious trouble I think that might actually work.

I can't say I like this idea. Murray's always been the pathetic little skull with ambitions too big to undertake. He's so harmless despite being so evil - that's the irony and humour that make Murray the hilarious character that he is, and it is something that cannot be changed. Not even for the sake of a good story, it just can't work without ruining his character from previous games.

[Uzrname]

Originally Posted by haydenwce27

I can't say I like this idea. Murray's always been the pathetic little skull with ambitions too big to undertake. He's so harmless despite being so evil - that's the irony and humour that make Murray the hilarious character that he is, and it is something that cannot be changed. Not even for the sake of a good story, it just can't work without ruining his character from previous games.

Pathetic as he might've been, he nearly bit Guybrush's hand off in Lair. And if the developers has enough bravery turning LeChuck human, then I wouldn't see why Murray cannot appear in his full skeletal form, at least as a one-episode villain (similar to McGillicutty in Siege).

As per the rest of the story, first of all I think we need to push the date of the Voodoo Lady's obsession with LeChuck's power a tad earlier, let's say somewhere between Escape and Tales. The lust for voodoo, either good or bad, wouldn't make her necessarily an evil person. She is into voodoo after all, so maybe she got attracted to LeChuck's power and wanted to use it for her own means. Not necessarily evil means.

LeChuck, on the other hand, possessed her as she started digging into this. And eventually, he was controlling her mind, thou his power was weak because she was able to partially suppress it and stay kinda midway, like pirates who were infected with the Pox. However, it took someone to actually go inside her mind in order to kick him out of here, and who else but Guybrush, right? =)

At the end of another episode, Guybrush would face LeChuck in, let's say, a familiar early games setting (take whichever), but instead of the usual turn of event, Largo would come and rescue LeChuck out of there by using some voodoo talisman he has been assembling earlier. Then LeChuck would return again, as always.

Although, in all is still seems somewhat hackneyed to me as MI plot. It must be developed and elaborated. Plus, is there any guarantee that the team actually bothers reading it? That would surprise me if they do lol

[Hayden]

Originally Posted by Uzrname

Although, in all is still seems somewhat hackneyed to me as MI plot. It must be developed and elaborated. Plus, is there any guarantee that the team actually bothers reading it? That would surprise me if they do lol

...let-alone actually taking any of it into consideration .

[Hassat Hunter]

Originally Posted by Ash735

Earl Boen is retired so I doubt he'll want to keep coming back to this.

Didn't stop him for ToMI1. Why would it for another season (unless it was horrible to do, which I doubt)...

[techie775]

Out of the the two I perfer Earl, but if he really wants to retire, I see no point in complaining why he doesn't keep doing it. Of course the new guy isn't going to sound exactly like Earl, (I'll admit I though Lechuck in ch1 could have sounded darker) but I didn't think he did horrible.

[Uzrname]

Actually, I didn't feel the difference at all. He still sounded plenty "LeChuck"-y to me, plus I haven't played another MI game in like 3-4 years, so I didn't even feel that it was another actor.

But when Boen came back it did disgrace the other guy. They should've either stick with Harrington from the start (btw he also does a lot of other characters and pretty well), or just wait until Boen is back and cope with it.

[StarEye]

As long as he changes the way LeChuck laughs, and no exaggerated "har har har" stuff that only sounded awkward and really ruined the atmosphere. If he can change that, he can stay.