I always thought this would be interesting: Revenge plot point, Spoilers

[metroidreborn]

Okay, please forgive me for this, but I always thought this would be an interesting theory if it was true.

In Revenge, LeChuck claims that him and Guybrush are brothers and this is supported by the fact that the head of Guybrush's father seems to work as an ingredient for the voodoo doll. Now, Ron gave an interesting comment on this whole situation once. He said "they are brothers, but they also aren't". This gave me the idea that Guybrush and LeChuck are half-brothers. I could picture LeChuck's father being a cheating alcohlic and left his wife and went with a woman and coneived Guybrush. They soon left him though and LeChuck tracked the pair down and gruesomly murdered them in revenge.

That would explain why the father's skelton worked on LeChuck and also makes Ron's answer make quite a bit of sense. I don't know, I always thought that them being brothers was a little too much, but half brothers could put a different spin on it. Since Revenge, that whole brother concept was never mentioned again and was neither confirmed nor denyed in the games.

[coolsome]

after the line in chap 5 where guybrush wonders if hes a little bit attracted to LeChuck I no longer want them to be brothers

[metroidreborn]

Originally Posted by Sailorcuteness

after the line in chap 5 where guybrush wonders if hes a little bit attracted to LeChuck I no longer want them to be brothers

Haha, yeah I can understand that.

[Didero]

I must've missed that line...

[coolsome]

Originally Posted by Didero

I must've missed that line...

guybrush says to elaine he found her sexy when she was poxed up and wonders if that meens he finds lechuck a little bit sexy 2

[Chyron8472]

First,
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Originally Posted by metroidreborn

In Revenge, LeChuck claims that Guybrush and he are brothers [...] Since Revenge, that whole brother concept was never mentioned again and was neither confirmed nor denied in the games.

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Second, the fact that the skull works on LeChuck only proves that it's LeChuck's ancestor (of any relation), not Guybrush's father. How can Guybrush tell it's his parents just by looking at their skeletal remains? This isn't CSI. He says it is after like 1 second of looking at them.

Third, the "I am your brother" speech is an obvious rip-off of/reference to The Empire Strikes Back. It was most likely said for comedic value, not a plot device. It would be lame for the nature of Guybrush's eternal battle against LeChuck to hinge on a tired Star Wars reference, which is why the newer games don't pay attention to it.

[metroidreborn]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

First,
[grammar_nazi][/grammar_nazi]

Second, the fact that the skull works on LeChuck only proves that it's LeChuck's ancestor (of any relation), not Guybrush's father. How can Guybrush tell it's his parents just by looking at their skeletal remains? This isn't CSI. He says it is after like 1 second of looking at them.

Third, the "I am your brother" speech is an obvious rip-off of/reference to The Empire Strikes Back. It was most likely said for comedic value, not a plot device. It would be lame for the nature of Guybrush's eternal battle against LeChuck to hinge on a tired Star Wars reference, which is why the newer games don't pay attention to it.

It was just a theory of mine. Ron has since confirmed that it was meant to be a major story arc for the third game. The newer games do not pay attention to it because they were not made with Ron Gilbert's input, who had a different idea for the third game. I also don't think that logic plays that much of a role in Monkey Island. Guybrush said they were his parents and I wouldn't understand why Ron would have his characters say lines like that unless he is hinting at something going on in that scene.

[Rather Dashing]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Second, the fact that the skull works on LeChuck only proves that it's LeChuck's ancestor (of any relation), not Guybrush's father. How can Guybrush tell it's his parents just by looking at their skeletal remains? This isn't CSI. He says it is after like 1 second of looking at them.

I don't buy this. You're saying that the game's exposition actively lies, for no reason? Say what you will, but Guybrush isn't a person. He's a character, and thus, a storytelling device. If he lies or is wrong, there is some sort of story purpose to it, not just because someone on the internet is uncomfortable with the idea.

Third, the "I am your brother" speech is an obvious rip-off of/reference to The Empire Strikes Back. It was most likely said for comedic value, not a plot device. It would be lame for the nature of Guybrush's eternal battle against LeChuck to hinge on a tired Star Wars reference, which is why the newer games don't pay attention to it.

I'm pretty sure newer games never paid attention to it because they were made ten years later, by a largely different staff, and they had to dumb down and cut out connections to past games to serve the children that hadn't played them. After all, can't have kids jumping into the middle of a story and getting scared and confused.

[Chyron8472]

Well, then let me say that I don't want the nature of Guybrush's eternal battle against LeChuck to hinge on a tired Star Wars reference. Not when the series' story didn't end with Ron's third game. Maybe if it was made back then, but not now. The series has moved past that.

[coolsome]

Originally Posted by Rather Dashing

I don't buy this. You're saying that the game's exposition actively lies, for no reason? Say what you will, but Guybrush isn't a person. He's a character, and thus, a storytelling device. If he lies or is wrong, there is some sort of story purpose to it, not just because someone on the internet is uncomfortable with the idea.


I'm pretty sure newer games never paid attention to it because they were made ten years later, by a largely different staff, and they had to dumb down and cut out connections to past games to serve the children that hadn't played them. After all, can't have kids jumping into the middle of a story and getting scared and confused.

EMI never mentioned it and was 50% refranceing the past and TMI refranced the past games a lot just not this part but its not cos they don't think ppl will understand most new fans will have looked up what they dont understand on google or fan sites

[Rather Dashing]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Well, then let me say that I don't want the nature of Guybrush's eternal battle against LeChuck to hinge on a tired Star Wars reference. Not when the series' story didn't end with Ron's third game. Maybe if it was made back then, but not now. The series has moved past that.

Kind of like how if you get carjacked during a road trip, the car has now moved past your original trip itinerary.

[Chyron8472]

Not that again...

You hate CMI and EMI. We know that already. You've made it abundantly clear that the classic MI2 is your favorite game. I'm not going to lay my face to the ground and say "Ron Gilbert is God" though. Especially not when I think the end of MI2 was lame. So if I think that the whole "brothers" thing is just a Star Wars reference, I'm justified in agreeing with the later games that ignore it.

[Rather Dashing]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Not that again...

You hate CMI and EMI. We know that already. You've made it abundantly clear that the classic MI2 is your favorite game. I'm not going to lay my face to the ground and say "Ron Gilbert is God" though. Especially not when I think the end of MI2 was lame. So if I think that the whole "brothers" thing is just a Star Wars reference, I'm justified in agreeing with the later games that ignore it.

Right. Like I don't like that Optimus Prime is a robot that transforms into a truck, so I am justified in agreeing with the Beast Wars series that ignores it. Or I don't like that Bobby died in Dallas, so I am justified in agreeing with the later seasons that said his death and the entire following season was a dream sequence. I don't like the idea that The Force is mystical rather than scientific, so I am justified in agreeing with the prequels that decides it's all about being a super race that has the right blood. I don't like that

[Chyron8472]

Eww. Don't bring up the Star Wars prequels. The only one near as good as the originals was Episode 3.

And I'm sure you make a valid point, but I still don't like the end of MI2.

EDIT: Hey, are you saying that you accept that the Giant Monkey Head is really a big robot and would like it if they continued with that story arc? I sure wouldn't.

[Rather Dashing]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Eww. Don't bring up the Star Wars prequels. The only one near as good as the originals was Episode 3.

And I'm sure you make a valid point, but I still don't like the end of MI2.

I just think that not liking a plot point is not a good reason to enjoy revisionist history. I'm not at all attached to any pet theories about an "actual" conclusion. If it's magic, then I'd be fine with that. My problem comes in when it's magic because we want things back to normal, and to do so we say "magic" for some things and ignore others. I find it horribly annoying.

EDIT:

EDIT: Hey, are you saying that you accept that the Giant Monkey Head is really a big robot and would like it if they continued with that story arc? I sure wouldn't.

If you're continuing from the same timeline as Escape, then you'd have to. Sadly, Escape followed in Curse's footsteps when it comes to contradicting the past games and introducing gigantic plot holes.

Still, there's really no reason to overtly refer to the giant monkey in a game following Escape. Its story arc is over. There's no reason for it to show up anymore. We're done with Melee. If we weren't done with it, well, then maybe we'd have to see it again, yeah.

[coolsome]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Eww. Don't bring up the Star Wars prequels. The only one near as good as the originals was Episode 3.

wasnt you telling him off 4 keep saying he dont like mi games after orignals yet you can say smae about the star wars films that wernt orignal

[Chyron8472]

Well, I wouldn't say the story for the prequels is terrible. For me it really comes down to that Hayden (anakin) is a bad actor in Episode 2, and Jake (anakin) is a bad actor in episode 1. That and Jar Jar is too slapstick.


@Rather
Look... all I'm saying is that I didn't like the end of MI2. I also didn't like the rest of EMI after you get to Monkey Island. For the series to turn around and either ignore or explain (say, with monkeylectrics) is fine by me, if it means that they can use that tactic to then recapture what I loved so much about the story in the first place.

[metroidreborn]

Seriously guys, just give it a rest. You have both stated your opinions and will most likley never convince the other to come around to your perspective. All you will do is annoy each other if you keep trying to discuss this.

[Chyron8472]

Yeah, well...

...How appropriate. You fight like a cow.

[Jen Kollic]

Putting the whole 'it's my creepy brother Chuckie!' thing aside, maybe when LeChuck said they were brothers, it was metaphorical rather than literal. They both love Elaine, they both travelled to the (supposedly) mythical Monkey Island for her sake, they both have more to do with voodoo than they probably should. Or they're brothers in that they're both pawns in the Voodoo Lady's wide-reaching-if-extremely-vague-and-possibly-evil plans. Though it's debatable whether LeChuck was aware of those plans (if they even exist) in LCR, if he was then he might not have been so keen on ordering voodoo supplies from her.