Boobs: an artistic discussion

[Jen Kollic]

Originally Posted by Secret Fawful

If you want it to be canon, we can say that while sparring in the jungle, Elaine and Morgan fell into a mysterious pool that grew their breasts to enormous proportions.

...you know, that sounds like some grade-A crack!fic material...

[Chyron8472]

Yes, well now that someone mentioned the eye, it's beginning to bother me. plz fit it Mr. Fawful.

[Giant Tope]

I'm sure people would be commenting more on other features if the boobs weren't such a focal point here.

[Secret Fawful]

@avistew - The reason most people overlooked the face is because it's a unique style choice and most people are used to it.

@Jen Kollic - It does. Someone should make that.

Better?

[Irishmile]

I was tempted to make some art with obnoxious ratios but then I decided I am feeling way to lazy today to do that

[Dadel]

Originally Posted by Secret Fawful

Better?

Yeah. But do you really think that hairstyle is suitable? You should fix that too.

[Will]

I know what would fix it! Could you draw her in Steve Purcell's style? And make it Anemone instead of Elaine?

In all seriousness though, I love all of the constructive criticism in this thread and encourage it to continue, just make sure everyone keeps it constructive.

[GuruGuru214]

Originally Posted by Will

I know what would fix it! Could you draw her in Steve Purcell's style? And make it Anemone instead of Elaine?

Now I want to see this. Somebody do this.

[Dadel]

Just to see the changes Elaine have been going through (looping in order).

Originally Posted by GuruGuru214

Now I want to see this. Somebody do this.

No Steve Purcell-style, but I do have an unfinished sketch of Alemonade in... fishnet

[Irishmile]

Originally Posted by dadel

no steve purcell-style, but i do have an unfinished sketch of alemonade in... fishnet

you monster!!!

[Jen Kollic]

Originally Posted by Secret Fawful

@Jen Kollic - It does. Someone should make that.

Are you asking for a CHALLEEEEEEEEENGE?!

Seriously though, I should totally write that. And post it somewhere that isn't this forum, because it won't be mind-safe, let alone work-safe.

[Secret Fawful]

Originally Posted by Will

I know what would fix it! Could you draw her in Steve Purcell's style? And make it Anemone instead of Elaine?

In all seriousness though, I love all of the constructive criticism in this thread and encourage it to continue, just make sure everyone keeps it constructive.

Your wish is my command.




(not great, but not bad for never trying to draw in his style before ever)

@Jen - Yes. I challenge you.

[GuruGuru214]

Sir, you are awesome.

[Jen Kollic]

Now instead of Anemone, can you make it the Swordmaster of Melee Island? Drawn in Bruce Timm style?

[Secret Fawful]

Originally Posted by Jen Kollic

Now instead of Anemone, can you make it the Swordmaster of Melee Island? Drawn in Bruce Timm style?

Since you asked nicely. And because I'm having fun. Let's see, who does that leave I haven't done now...

Bosun Krebbs and Kate Capsize?



I have no idea just what direction shes running in. Meh, she must be in "mean drunk mode".

[Avistew]

Okay, I have absolutely no clue how useful (or not!) that might be, but here are pictures as promised!

I cut off the heads so you won't know it's me.

First I tried with something fitted. Unfortunately it's black so you can't see anything, so I won't post the pictures. Except one of my torso from behind for the shape of the waist. You can see it barely gets smaller, and definitely not suddenly (getting suddenly thinner makes it looks like it's the ribcage as stated previously). Of course that changes from one woman to the next.


So then I switched to a different-coloured shirt, but it's also looser. As a result it doesn't follow my shapes very much.




So I "tucked" the shirt under my breasts so you'd see better. Not sure how conclusive that was




Now, in all of these pictures, the breasts look round(ed). Why? Breasts aren't round, right? They're kinda pointy where the nipple is.
Well that's because of the clothes. They're pressed against the fabric, and that makes them rounder. The only way to keep the exact shape while wearing clothes is to wear clothes that already have the shape of breasts. Like "pockets" or something. Otherwise it's either tight and shapes the breasts, or loose and then you can't see the shapes anymore.

Not sure how useful any of that was... Naked pictures would be more useful but something tells me posting them here would be frowned upon.

[Secret Fawful]

Originally Posted by avistew

Okay, I have absolutely no clue how useful (or not!) that might be, but here are pictures as promised!

I cut off the heads so you won't know it's me.

Yup. Uh huh. I don't know who that is.

First I tried with something fitted. Unfortunately it's black so you can't see anything, so I won't post the pictures. Except one of my torso from behind for the shape of the waist. You can see it barely gets smaller, and definitely not suddenly (getting suddenly thinner makes it looks like it's the ribcage as stated previously). Of course that changes from one woman to the next. Now, in all of these pictures, the breasts look round(ed). Why? Breasts aren't round, right? They're kinda pointy where the nipple is.
Well that's because of the clothes. They're pressed against the fabric, and that makes them rounder. The only way to keep the exact shape while wearing clothes is to wear clothes that already have the shape of breasts. Like "pockets" or something. Otherwise it's either tight and shapes the breasts, or loose and then you can't see the shapes anymore.

A couple of things of note from this-

1. What I've had wrong on the waist then is that the major curve comes where the waist meets the hips, not in the middle of the waist. I thought cartoonish styles added a huge curve in the waist but I was completely wrong; the waist tends to stay the same size until the hips and then theres a sharp curve. The illusion that tricked me into thinking this was that most cartoonish styles have the waist small and the hips rather large, so I thought that the waist had to curve to keep proportionally correct with the hips. That's a huge difference. I can see that mistake in every single picture I posted outside of Carla. That's wonderful though! Now I'll be able to avoid that in the future.

2. If the pointyness of the nipple doesn't normally make it through the clothes, why do so many artists draw that pointyness anyway? Is there a reason, or is it just unrealistic exaggeration.

3. The difference in how the breasts shape based on how the arms move. I tend to forget that the breasts and arms are somewhat interconnected muscles and tissue (I think) so the movement of the arms should affect the shape of the chest in different ways. The same for the posture of the back.
There's a lot of stuff to keep in mind.

4. As mentioned before, there's the issue of drawing bra or no bra. These pictures (I'm fairly sure you're not wearing a bra) give a pretty good illustration of how the clothes work in relation to the breasts when a bra isn't involved. And the final version of Elaine seems to be a lot closer to it, so that's good. Unless you were wearing a bra; then I have no idea what I'm talking about, haha.

Thanks to this topic and all the much-appreciated knowledge everyone has been sharing, I now know more about breasts than Hugh Hefner. Which isn't hard because he probably never saw a REAL breast before in his entire life.

[Avistew]

Originally Posted by Secret Fawful

2. If the pointyness of the nipple doesn't normally make it through the clothes, why do so many artists draw that pointyness anyway? Is there a reason, or is it just unrealistic exaggeration.

I'm not sure if it's artistic license or force of habit (people tend to learn to draw people naked, then add the clothes on). It could be a bit of both. It shouldn't be shocking if you still draw it "pointy" since as you said that's common.
It might also depend on the cut of the bra if there is one, and how cold the weather is.

Originally Posted by Secret Fawful

3. The difference in how the breasts shape based on how the arms move. I tend to forget that the breasts and arms are somewhat interconnected muscles and tissue (I think) so the movement of the arms should affect the shape of the chest in different ways.

Not really muscles, there aren't muscles in breasts which is why they sag. But connected by skin and I guess tendons and the like, yes. That's what I was trying to express with the liquid thing. Because breasts aren't a solid block, when the skin moves the shape changes to adapt.
Most notably, when you lift your arms up it pulls up the skin.

Originally Posted by Secret Fawful

4. As mentioned before, there's the issue of drawing bra or no bra. These pictures (I'm fairly sure you're not wearing a bra) give a pretty good illustration of how the clothes work in relation to the breasts when a bra isn't involved.

Yes, I took them without a bra since you said you were trying to draw them braless. And also it's easier to see how moving affect the breasts if there is no bra.
A bra would hold the breasts up and closer to the body to keep them in place so moving would have less effect on them. The tighter the bra, the more the breasts are held in place. That's how sports bra work (mostly to avoid bouncing while exercising).

Originally Posted by Secret Fawful

Thanks to this topic and all the much-appreciated knowledge everyone has been sharing, I now know more about breasts than Hugh Hefner. Which isn't hard because he probably never saw a REAL breast before in his entire life.

I've been enjoying this topic, too.
(Teehee, boobies.)

[MonkeyMania]

This thread. Why?

[GuruGuru214]

Originally Posted by MonkeyMania

This thread. Why?

As with most things on this forum, it started off perfectly normally (in this case, as part of the Legendary Fan Art thread), and then went crazy awry (necessitating the topic to be split).