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Woodsyblue · 10/31/2009, 08:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Byakko

Really? I don't even remember that, and I just finished the game like 20min ago LOL

It's an optional conversation. At the beginning of the finale Guybrush can choose to confront DeSinge about Morgans death.

Tradewinds · 10/31/2009, 08:24 pm

De Singe doesn't outright deny killing Morgan, but he seems to find the idea laughable. The life of a pirate hunter means little in comparison to unlocking the secrets of immortality, after all.

While De Singe is unlikely to have had qualms about killing Morgan(he didn't seem to have any about reducing Elaine to dust), De Singe as the murderer doesn't fit so well.

For one thing, Morgan had enough time to tell Guybrush that De Singe killed her before she died. She didn't even mention de Singe's name, and Morgan is vengeful enough that she would probably want to name her killer so that she could be avenged. Instead, she whispers something to Guybrush that she was apparently told by a magnetic monkey. What could have been that important? It's likely that she told Guybrush something very important, something he won't realize was important until well into Chapter 5.

Next, Morgan was stabbed from the front, apparently with her own sword. If De Singe had done it, he most likely would have struck her in the back. He also would have been more likely to use one of his devices rather than Morgan's own sword.

Also, De Singe gave no indication of being trained to use a sword. A pox-fueled Elaine couldn't get past Morgan's guard, but De Singe could? Some have speculated that Morgan stabbed De Singe, he healed instantly, and she was so surprised that she left herself open to being killed. The problem with this theory is that Morgan knew something was up with De Singe after she broke his finger in Club 41. He healed up right in front of her, and she was unsettled by that. Morgan's smart enough to notice an enemy's strengths and be prepared to counter them. At the very least, she would have expected De Singe to heal any wounds she gave him just like he healed the one in the bar.

So...who killed Morgan? I don't know. But I doubt it was De Singe. It's too obvious, too easy and there's too many contradictions. Plus, we can't even be certain that Morgan is dead, what with her body disappearing and all.

I just wonder how long Hardtack has been helping LeChuck. Maybe he kept letting Guybrush out of his cell not because he was an idiot, but because LeChuck needed Guybrush to be able to prove his innocence and continue to search for La Esponja Grande.

Finally, the Voodoo Lady. I don't doubt that she's been manipulating things behind the scenes for years, but I don't think she's the villain of the piece. Like a certain Jedi Master, she's been telling Guybrush things "from a certain point of view". I believed her when she said she had never lied to Guybrush, and that she could not tell him what was really going on because "the walls have ears", i.e. LeChuck in the next cell.

I guess we'll have to wait about a month for our answers.

GaryCXJk · 10/31/2009, 08:29 pm

Or, the Voodoo Lady turns out to be Morgan LeFlay. The reason her body disappeared was because it got transportated back in time. However, due to her molecules being scrambled and such, she didn't come back right. In other words, she became black. And got this funny accent.

McAleeCh · 11/01/2009, 05:23 am

My vote is she was killed by Jacques the monkey - but unintentionally. = P I mean, the dude's magnetic - if he was stood behind Morgan, surely her sword might be magnetically attracted to him and...

Yeah, actually, maybe not. I guess we'll find out in Chapter 5, at any rate.

Kenif · 11/01/2009, 05:27 am

They all get a strain of the pox and survive. Simple as.

Uttar · 11/01/2009, 05:31 am

Isn't it most likely that Morgan was 'killed' by Guybrush's hand? When DeSinge flees from his lab, he does NOT yet have the turban and the hand on his head, and neither does he when he's hunting down Elaine. Furthermore, the Pox infecting the hand is Voodoo - possibly all part of the Voodoo's Lady Plan. And of course, to be saved, the hand might again be necessary to heal Morgan...

Bobbin · 11/01/2009, 05:41 am

I loved DeSinge's death, especially the part where he did the Wilhelm scream.

nuksies · 11/01/2009, 05:47 am

Might be a dumb point - but didnt greg house (house MD) ever say the same thing as Guybrush when he nearly dies "is it you mother..." because otherwise what is it a reference to - why does he say that

Leak · 11/01/2009, 06:25 am

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Originally Posted by nuksies

Might be a dumb point - but didnt greg house (house MD) ever say the same thing as Guybrush when he nearly dies "is it you mother..." because otherwise what is it a reference to - why does he say that

Maybe it's a reference to the alternate script for episode 4 of I wonder what happens in...?

Or maybe just a reference to Secret of Monkey Island's reference to Loom?

VeronicanPlay · 04/15/2010, 02:33 am

The one thing I love about Guybrush is his personality, everything that happens to him and people around him he can take with a goofy smile and a funny comment. No matter the case he would always make me laugh.

But when he finds Morgan I just saw a whole new Guybrush, he was really serious his personality just changed. The cut scene was really touching, how he turns her head and closes her eyes and takes the sword out and places it in her hands. The way he looks sad and looks of to the distance, "De Singe!" The whole mood in that room is just different from the rest of the game, everything you interact with, he just tell about them like a normal person, no funny comments or anything. (Well except maybe from the door to the Creepy room, and the skeleton). But the mood goes back to normal when he leaves the room.
So unexpected that I get a whole new respect for Guybrush, even thought I loved him as a character before, I really love him now as his personality is evolving like that, truly amazing.

But the death of Guybrush himself was truly a beautiful and sad scene, Elaine screaming his name and him gutted saying her name, tossed like a rag doll. Disoriented thinking Elaine is his mum, and that he has washed his hands it’s so sad and random at the same time it really ads to the whole mood. Looking so lost when LeChuck is talking about the flirting going on when he wasn’t there, and looking to his wife for comfort asking her to do him the favour of kicking LeChuck’s butt for him, and then falls over dead.
It was so heartbreaking and yet somehow Guybrush manages to put that little piece of humour in to it, just to make it all bearable.

I watched all this happen on the edge of my chair, my mouth open and tears in my eyes (even tears in my eyes as I am typing this).
It was so dramatic yet beautiful, a very nice ending you never thought you would see in an MI game.
Even thought the title suggests that he was going to die, I never thought it would be so dramatic as this.

I think Dominic Armato did a great job on this one, he as done a great job for giving Guybrush the personality he has, but this was something new for him and I think he did it flawlessly, giving Guybrush more depth, and a new personality you never thought you would see.

I finished the chapter past midnight, but the entire night I couldn’t sleep because I wanted to know what had happened to him, half past 5 in the morning I got up just to play for 15mins of chapter 5 before I went to work, just to see if he was ok.

Scrawffler · 04/15/2010, 04:05 am

Yeah, I wasn't expecting it to be done as dramatically as it was.

Even though I was fairly sure Guybrush would die in the chapter, when I saw it happen it was still one of those "... whoa." moments.

The balance between darkness and comedy was done particularly well in this chapter, as was the pacing. Quite a dramatic turning point when you go from goofing off with Stan to finding Morgan with a sword through her!

Heh, you were lucky all the chapters were out when you played it, VeronicanPlay - some of us had to wait a month to find out what had happened to Guybrush after he died! (then on release day we were all going crazy on the forums, waiting for the download to become available... good times!)

Hayden · 04/15/2010, 04:11 am

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Originally Posted by Scrawffler

Heh, you were lucky all the chapters were out when you played it, VeronicanPlay - some of us had to wait a month to find out what had happened to Guybrush after he died! (then on release day we were all going crazy on the forums, waiting for the download to become available... good times!)

Stuff like that is half the reason that I really want to see another ToMI season soon.

VeronicanPlay · 04/15/2010, 06:14 am

I am glad that I started when I did, otherwise I would not have been able to sleep for a month

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10/31/2009, 08:24 pm	#62
Tradewinds Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1	De Singe doesn't outright deny killing Morgan, but he seems to find the idea laughable. The life of a pirate hunter means little in comparison to unlocking the secrets of immortality, after all. While De Singe is unlikely to have had qualms about killing Morgan(he didn't seem to have any about reducing Elaine to dust), De Singe as the murderer doesn't fit so well. For one thing, Morgan had enough time to tell Guybrush that De Singe killed her before she died. She didn't even mention de Singe's name, and Morgan is vengeful enough that she would probably want to name her killer so that she could be avenged. Instead, she whispers something to Guybrush that she was apparently told by a magnetic monkey. What could have been that important? It's likely that she told Guybrush something very important, something he won't realize was important until well into Chapter 5. Next, Morgan was stabbed from the front, apparently with her own sword. If De Singe had done it, he most likely would have struck her in the back. He also would have been more likely to use one of his devices rather than Morgan's own sword. Also, De Singe gave no indication of being trained to use a sword. A pox-fueled Elaine couldn't get past Morgan's guard, but De Singe could? Some have speculated that Morgan stabbed De Singe, he healed instantly, and she was so surprised that she left herself open to being killed. The problem with this theory is that Morgan knew something was up with De Singe after she broke his finger in Club 41. He healed up right in front of her, and she was unsettled by that. Morgan's smart enough to notice an enemy's strengths and be prepared to counter them. At the very least, she would have expected De Singe to heal any wounds she gave him just like he healed the one in the bar. So...who killed Morgan? I don't know. But I doubt it was De Singe. It's too obvious, too easy and there's too many contradictions. Plus, we can't even be certain that Morgan is dead, what with her body disappearing and all. I just wonder how long Hardtack has been helping LeChuck. Maybe he kept letting Guybrush out of his cell not because he was an idiot, but because LeChuck needed Guybrush to be able to prove his innocence and continue to search for La Esponja Grande. Finally, the Voodoo Lady. I don't doubt that she's been manipulating things behind the scenes for years, but I don't think she's the villain of the piece. Like a certain Jedi Master, she's been telling Guybrush things "from a certain point of view". I believed her when she said she had never lied to Guybrush, and that she could not tell him what was really going on because "the walls have ears", i.e. LeChuck in the next cell. I guess we'll have to wait about a month for our answers.

10/31/2009, 08:29 pm	#63
GaryCXJk Custom User Title User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Zaandam, the Netherlands Posts: 2,115	Or, the Voodoo Lady turns out to be Morgan LeFlay. The reason her body disappeared was because it got transportated back in time. However, due to her molecules being scrambled and such, she didn't come back right. In other words, she became black. And got this funny accent.

11/01/2009, 05:23 am	#64
McAleeCh Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 15	My vote is she was killed by Jacques the monkey - but unintentionally. = P I mean, the dude's magnetic - if he was stood behind Morgan, surely her sword might be magnetically attracted to him and... Yeah, actually, maybe not. I guess we'll find out in Chapter 5, at any rate.

11/01/2009, 05:27 am	#65
Kenif Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 60	They all get a strain of the pox and survive. Simple as.

11/01/2009, 05:31 am	#66
Uttar Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3	Isn't it most likely that Morgan was 'killed' by Guybrush's hand? When DeSinge flees from his lab, he does NOT yet have the turban and the hand on his head, and neither does he when he's hunting down Elaine. Furthermore, the Pox infecting the hand is Voodoo - possibly all part of the Voodoo's Lady Plan. And of course, to be saved, the hand might again be necessary to heal Morgan...

11/01/2009, 05:41 am	#67
Bobbin Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 111	I loved DeSinge's death, especially the part where he did the Wilhelm scream.

11/01/2009, 05:47 am	#68
nuksies Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2	Might be a dumb point - but didnt greg house (house MD) ever say the same thing as Guybrush when he nearly dies "is it you mother..." because otherwise what is it a reference to - why does he say that

04/15/2010, 02:33 am	#70
VeronicanPlay Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Denmark Posts: 908	The one thing I love about Guybrush is his personality, everything that happens to him and people around him he can take with a goofy smile and a funny comment. No matter the case he would always make me laugh. But when he finds Morgan I just saw a whole new Guybrush, he was really serious his personality just changed. The cut scene was really touching, how he turns her head and closes her eyes and takes the sword out and places it in her hands. The way he looks sad and looks of to the distance, "De Singe!" The whole mood in that room is just different from the rest of the game, everything you interact with, he just tell about them like a normal person, no funny comments or anything. (Well except maybe from the door to the Creepy room, and the skeleton). But the mood goes back to normal when he leaves the room. So unexpected that I get a whole new respect for Guybrush, even thought I loved him as a character before, I really love him now as his personality is evolving like that, truly amazing. But the death of Guybrush himself was truly a beautiful and sad scene, Elaine screaming his name and him gutted saying her name, tossed like a rag doll. Disoriented thinking Elaine is his mum, and that he has washed his hands it’s so sad and random at the same time it really ads to the whole mood. Looking so lost when LeChuck is talking about the flirting going on when he wasn’t there, and looking to his wife for comfort asking her to do him the favour of kicking LeChuck’s butt for him, and then falls over dead. It was so heartbreaking and yet somehow Guybrush manages to put that little piece of humour in to it, just to make it all bearable. I watched all this happen on the edge of my chair, my mouth open and tears in my eyes (even tears in my eyes as I am typing this). It was so dramatic yet beautiful, a very nice ending you never thought you would see in an MI game. Even thought the title suggests that he was going to die, I never thought it would be so dramatic as this. I think Dominic Armato did a great job on this one, he as done a great job for giving Guybrush the personality he has, but this was something new for him and I think he did it flawlessly, giving Guybrush more depth, and a new personality you never thought you would see. I finished the chapter past midnight, but the entire night I couldn’t sleep because I wanted to know what had happened to him, half past 5 in the morning I got up just to play for 15mins of chapter 5 before I went to work, just to see if he was ok.