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bugsplee2.0 · 05/26/2010, 05:19 pm

Upon the second episode of The Devil's Playhouse, The Tomb of Sammun-Mak, Jurgen was alive about 109 years ago where he met Sammth and Maximus.

Then, after Slushie the Vampire Elf took care of him, Jurgen become the vampire we know and loathe. But then, in Season 2, he was a vampire which had somehow forgotten about the events that happened and his membership of the Brothers of Yog-Soggoth.

But, being the jerky German vampire that he is, Jurgen probably forgot.

splash1 · 05/26/2010, 05:25 pm

Maybe he'd only recognize Sameth & Maximus, after all they do look very different from each other.

SPOILERS BELOW:

Also, Jurgen is a lot older then that, since he's been a bas-relief(?) on a wall for almost 5 decades. I also don't think he'd care about The Brotherhood after the loss of over 100 years of never finding a trace of the Devil's Toybox or Sameth & Maximus. You also have to consider that Telltale didn't have a plot back in 2008 involving Jurgen with a villain from Season 3. So he wouldn't be aware of anything that happened in the new Season, unless Telltale redid Season 2 so that it would sinc in with the events of The Devil's Playhouse.

This also applies to Kringle. AKA, Santa.

Randulf · 05/26/2010, 07:43 pm

Jurgen, being a fickle trend-follower, probably never took the brotherhood very seriously anyway. As for his not recognizing Sam and Max, well, he does not even recognize them at first when they are in Hell.

Flyingman356 · 05/26/2010, 07:45 pm

Are you sure Kringle and Santa are the same person? I assumed Kringle was an ancestor.

Avistew · 05/26/2010, 08:12 pm

Jurgen being Jurgen, it's entirely possibly he never sees a reason to mention it.

der_ketzer · 05/26/2010, 08:46 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingman356

Are you sure Kringle and Santa are the same person? I assumed Kringle was an ancestor.

I assumed Kringle was his brother.

Sausy Gibbon · 05/26/2010, 09:56 pm

Also I think there was a line were he said he failed Yog Soggoth, so maybe he just never went back.

luisfox37 · 05/26/2010, 10:00 pm

Well, Jurgen calls himself a "student of the antiqvities", and it says on one of the nightclub booklets in 2003 you have to be 18+ to party, so he's probably about 18-21.(Assuming he doesn't age as a bas-relief and a vampire If Jurgen has been trapped on a bas-relief for 5 decades, then thats 50-59 years, I think. If 302 takes place in 1901, at that time Jurgen will have been trapped on the wall from 1842-1851, So Jurgen was probably born in between 1821-1837.

Shwoo · 05/27/2010, 12:18 am

Jurgen saw Sam and Max on Midtown Cowboys. If he was going to react to them looking almost exactly the same as Sameth and Maximus, he could've done it then.

OzzieMonkey · 05/27/2010, 01:05 am

Wait, isn't the Jurgen in Sammeth and Maximus time just an ancestor of Jurgen from Season 2?

bugsplee2.0 · 05/27/2010, 03:03 am

I actually thought that Jurgen in 1901 was the Jurgen in Hell today. I know that vampires can live hundreds of years longer and as a bas-relief, it added another 50 or so years to him.

Molokov · 05/27/2010, 04:03 am

I know it'd be lovely for the Telltale writers to know the future, but since when has continuity been anything to really care about in Sam and Max?

Randulf · 05/27/2010, 04:05 am

What I can't figure out about Jurgen is how he fails to find the Reverse Curse in the molemens' trunk: he is supposed to be knowledgeable about mole-magic, having spent half a century in the tomb. Of course, Papa Mole could have hidden it when he sees Jurgen coming, but there is no explanation in-game.

Flah · 05/27/2010, 07:28 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzzieMonkey

Wait, isn't the Jurgen in Sammeth and Maximus time just an ancestor of Jurgen from Season 2?

In popular culture, vampires are known to be very long-lived (so to speak). Of course it's the same Jurgen. The story makes even LESS sense if they're two different people.

kane · 05/27/2010, 07:38 am

Randulf he do sent no what feat feat feat mean

Thespis · 05/27/2010, 07:39 am

Do you remember every person you interacted with for a few hours (or maybe a day at most) from five or ten years ago?

Now, add a hundred years to that, and then how many people do you think you'd remember?

kane · 05/27/2010, 08:48 am

200 but he ons a club so time's it buy 800000000 ans-er um 99

*Vainamoinen* · 05/27/2010, 08:50 am

Secret Origins: Jurgen

Sounds like something Majus should tackle!

GinnyN · 05/27/2010, 08:59 am

To be fair, Jurguen has no idea he become a Vampire for Sameth and Maximus fault. Appart of that, "someone else" stoled the toy box. So... in fact he has no actual reason to remember them.

Katsuro · 05/27/2010, 11:17 am

I bet he still remembers Sameth and Maximus.
But why should he even mention them to the completely different looking and unrelated strangers named Sam and Max?

05/26/2010, 05:19 pm	#1
bugsplee2.0 CreepECrawlyMan Join Date: May 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 19	The Origins of Jurgen Upon the second episode of The Devil's Playhouse, The Tomb of Sammun-Mak, Jurgen was alive about 109 years ago where he met Sammth and Maximus. Then, after Slushie the Vampire Elf took care of him, Jurgen become the vampire we know and loathe. But then, in Season 2, he was a vampire which had somehow forgotten about the events that happened and his membership of the Brothers of Yog-Soggoth. But, being the jerky German vampire that he is, Jurgen probably forgot. __________________ "VCRs are old news. Time for a LASERDISC!"- Sam, Chariots of the Dogs.

05/26/2010, 05:25 pm	#2
splash1 Electric Tuna Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Jungle Subway Posts: 2,588	Maybe he'd only recognize Sameth & Maximus, after all they do look very different from each other. SPOILERS BELOW: Also, Jurgen is a lot older then that, since he's been a bas-relief(?) on a wall for almost 5 decades. I also don't think he'd care about The Brotherhood after the loss of over 100 years of never finding a trace of the Devil's Toybox or Sameth & Maximus. You also have to consider that Telltale didn't have a plot back in 2008 involving Jurgen with a villain from Season 3. So he wouldn't be aware of anything that happened in the new Season, unless Telltale redid Season 2 so that it would sinc in with the events of The Devil's Playhouse. This also applies to Kringle. AKA, Santa. __________________ *inFamous, is the best game ever and you can't say it isn't cause it would a lie!!! SO THERE! Sam: "This goes down to fiery bowls of America's filthiest city." Max: "You've been listening to my inner bathroom narration again!" Last edited by splash1; 05/26/2010 at 05:34 pm.*

05/27/2010, 12:18 am	#9
Shwoo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 1,486	Jurgen saw Sam and Max on Midtown Cowboys. If he was going to react to them looking almost exactly the same as Sameth and Maximus, he could've done it then. __________________ This is a link to the Sam & Max wiki. This is a link to a Sam & Max deviantART group.

05/27/2010, 01:05 am	#10
OzzieMonkey I need a haircut Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: I come from a land down under! Posts: 1,265	Wait, isn't the Jurgen in Sammeth and Maximus time just an ancestor of Jurgen from Season 2? __________________ "There was an old farmer who lived on a rock, he sat in the meadow just shaking his..."-The assumption song. A random youtube search can bring on a big laugh.

05/27/2010, 03:03 am	#11
bugsplee2.0 CreepECrawlyMan Join Date: May 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 19	I actually thought that Jurgen in 1901 was the Jurgen in Hell today. I know that vampires can live hundreds of years longer and as a bas-relief, it added another 50 or so years to him. __________________ "VCRs are old news. Time for a LASERDISC!"- Sam, Chariots of the Dogs.

05/26/2010, 07:43 pm	#3
Randulf Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 341	Jurgen, being a fickle trend-follower, probably never took the brotherhood very seriously anyway. As for his not recognizing Sam and Max, well, he does not even recognize them at first when they are in Hell.

05/26/2010, 07:45 pm	#4
Flyingman356 Not really the Thnikkaman Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Melbourne, VIC, Australia Posts: 253	Are you sure Kringle and Santa are the same person? I assumed Kringle was an ancestor.

05/26/2010, 08:12 pm	#5
Avistew I<3>1 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: France Posts: 5,051	Jurgen being Jurgen, it's entirely possibly he never sees a reason to mention it.

05/26/2010, 09:56 pm	#7
Sausy Gibbon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In a cave Posts: 687	Also I think there was a line were he said he failed Yog Soggoth, so maybe he just never went back.

05/26/2010, 10:00 pm	#8
luisfox37 Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3	Well, Jurgen calls himself a "student of the antiqvities", and it says on one of the nightclub booklets in 2003 you have to be 18+ to party, so he's probably about 18-21.(Assuming he doesn't age as a bas-relief and a vampire If Jurgen has been trapped on a bas-relief for 5 decades, then thats 50-59 years, I think. If 302 takes place in 1901, at that time Jurgen will have been trapped on the wall from 1842-1851, So Jurgen was probably born in between 1821-1837.

05/27/2010, 04:03 am	#12
Molokov Dingo in a Maternity Ward Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,138	I know it'd be lovely for the Telltale writers to know the future, but since when has continuity been anything to really care about in Sam and Max?

05/27/2010, 04:05 am	#13
Randulf Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 341	What I can't figure out about Jurgen is how he fails to find the Reverse Curse in the molemens' trunk: he is supposed to be knowledgeable about mole-magic, having spent half a century in the tomb. Of course, Papa Mole could have hidden it when he sees Jurgen coming, but there is no explanation in-game.

05/27/2010, 07:38 am	#15
kane Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: uk Posts: 405	Randulf he do sent no what feat feat feat mean

05/27/2010, 07:39 am	#16
Thespis OUTATIME Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 389	Do you remember every person you interacted with for a few hours (or maybe a day at most) from five or ten years ago? Now, add a hundred years to that, and then how many people do you think you'd remember?

05/27/2010, 08:48 am	#17
kane Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: uk Posts: 405	200 but he ons a club so time's it buy 800000000 ans-er um 99

05/27/2010, 08:50 am	#18
Vainamoinen Community Moderator Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 6,633	Secret Origins: Jurgen Sounds like something Majus should tackle! __________________ Moderators on the TTG forums are all volunteers from the community and still belong to the community. They are not employees of the company. The opinions expressed in their posts are those of individual fans and must not be confused with official company statements.

05/27/2010, 08:59 am	#19
GinnyN An Armed Lagomorph Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ask the earth Posts: 2,426	To be fair, Jurguen has no idea he become a Vampire for Sameth and Maximus fault. Appart of that, "someone else" stoled the toy box. So... in fact he has no actual reason to remember them. __________________ Because we have nothing, we want to do everything --- - My Zazzle Store! - My DeviantArt Account! #nadaesimposiblehueonniunawea.

05/27/2010, 11:17 am	#20
Katsuro <funny tagline> Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: where the cool kids are Posts: 334	I bet he still remembers Sameth and Maximus. But why should he even mention them to the completely different looking and unrelated strangers named Sam and Max?

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