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SHODANFreeman · 06/02/2010, 07:58 pm

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Originally Posted by The Highway

I dont think we'd kill each other, I'm just saying we wouldnt have consciences as developed as they are with faith. im not saying people without faith dont have consciences though.

I believe in no organized religion, have only been inside a church twice in my life, both were funerals, and I am pretty certain my conscience and moral code is far more developed and far stricter than the vast majority of people I've met in my life who identify as "Christian". Being Christian doesn't automatically entitle you to special powers of improved conscience, and in several cases, I've seen people justify their insane lack of a conscience by saying "oh it's okay I can just apologize and Jesus will forgive me". Saying someone who is religious has a more developed conscience than someone who isn't is an incredibly wrong assumption.

SHODANFreeman · 06/02/2010, 08:00 pm

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

I believe because the Holy Spirit of God has revealed it to me, and has opened my eyes to continually see further evidence in my life and the lives of others around me.

So because some old book has words in it, and you look for evidence where there is none, that is enough proof to devote your life to something?

The Highway · 06/02/2010, 08:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Pale Man

I believe in no organized religion, have only been inside a church twice in my life, both were funerals, and I am pretty certain my conscience and moral code is far more developed and far stricter than the vast majority of people I've met in my life who identify as "Christian". Being Christian doesn't automatically entitle you to special powers of improved conscience, and in several cases, I've seen people justify their insane lack of a conscience by saying "oh it's okay I can just apologize and Jesus will forgive me". Saying someone who is religious has a more developed conscience than someone who isn't is an incredibly wrong assumption.

I agree. That's why I said I wasn't saying people without faith had less developed consciences. I mean that if you follow a belief, your conscience is differently made up compared to other faiths and non faiths, and therefore people with that conscience PERCIEVE others to have less developed consciences, as they do not believe the same stuff, so, yes, it is a wrong assumption, not the thing I was trying to convey though.

Chyron8472 · 06/02/2010, 08:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Pale Man

So because some old book has words in it, and you look for evidence where there is none, that is enough proof to devote your life to something?

You would turn away from such evidence, even if it were staring you in the face. There's nothing I can say, beyond what I've already said, to convince you of the reasons why I believe in God and in Jesus Christ.

God, Himself has revealed it to me, not just from "some old book."

I challenge you to ask Him yourself, to reveal Himself to you. If you are truly seeking, you'll find Him also.

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20"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

-Revelation 3:20-22

SHODANFreeman · 06/02/2010, 08:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

You would turn away from such evidence, even if it were staring you in the face. There's nothing I can say, beyond what I've already said, to convince you of the reasons why I believe in God and in Jesus Christ.

God, Himself has revealed it to me, not just from "some old book."

I challenge you to ask Him yourself, to reveal Himself to you. If you are truly seeking, you'll find Him also.

I'm sorry, but that is the most ridiculous and corny thing I have ever heard in my entire life, and I honestly can't believe you'd think it was true.

The Highway · 06/02/2010, 08:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Pale Man

I'm sorry, but that is the most ridiculous and corny thing I have ever heard in my entire life, and I honestly can't believe you'd think it was true.

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, it's not up to anyone to tell people what is believable or not, and what is ridiculous or not.

Chyron8472 · 06/02/2010, 08:20 pm

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Originally Posted by The Highway

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, it's not up to anyone to tell people what is believable or not, and what is ridiculous or not.

I'm not offended. Really, I'm not.

The Highway · 06/02/2010, 08:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

I'm not offended. Really, I'm not.

It's not a matter of whether we found it offensive, it is the fact that he can't accept the fact that we believe for the sake of believing

SHODANFreeman · 06/02/2010, 08:26 pm

To me, the fact that Scientology is a practicing religion is just further proof that people will believe anything just to think they have some answers or meaning to their lives.

Chyron8472 · 06/02/2010, 08:32 pm

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Originally Posted by The Highway

It's not a matter of whether we found it offensive, it is the fact that he can't accept the fact that we believe for the sake of believing

He's not going to accept it.

The Bible says don't be disheartened when you're persecuted.

SHODANFreeman · 06/02/2010, 08:36 pm

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

He's not going to accept it.

The Bible says don't be disheartened when you're persecuted.

http://www.losingmyreligion.com/essa...cultleader.htm

The Highway · 06/02/2010, 08:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Pale Man

http://www.losingmyreligion.com/essa...cultleader.htm

Got it. Don't care.

Secret Fawful · 06/02/2010, 08:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Pale Man

I believe in no organized religion, have only been inside a church twice in my life, both were funerals, and I am pretty certain my conscience and moral code is far more developed and far stricter than the vast majority of people I've met in my life who identify as "Christian". Being Christian doesn't automatically entitle you to special powers of improved conscience, and in several cases, I've seen people justify their insane lack of a conscience by saying "oh it's okay I can just apologize and Jesus will forgive me". Saying someone who is religious has a more developed conscience than someone who isn't is an incredibly wrong assumption.

Saying someone who is religious CAN'T have a more developed conscience than someone who isn't is an incredibly wrong assumption.

Chyron8472 · 06/02/2010, 08:44 pm

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Originally Posted by Pale Man

http://www.losingmyreligion.com/essa...cultleader.htm

I'm not going to fight about this.

You can discover on your own whether God really exists. Arguing with me and calling Jesus a cult leader isn't going to hinder my relationship with Him.

If you say that what I believe is absurd, then you're free to do so.

The Highway · 06/02/2010, 08:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

I'm not going to fight about this.

You can discover on your own whether God really exists. Arguing with me and calling Jesus a cult leader isn't going to hinder my relationship with Him.

If you say that what I believe is absurd, then you're free to do so.

Good. I endorse this statement.

SHODANFreeman · 06/02/2010, 08:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Secret Fawful

Saying someone who is religious CAN'T have a more developed conscience than someone who isn't is an incredibly wrong assumption.

I didn't say that, at all.

Alcoremortis · 06/02/2010, 08:56 pm

Ehh, people have made fun of Christians since the very beginning. It's nothing new.

Secret Fawful · 06/02/2010, 09:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Pale Man

I didn't say that, at all.

I did.

Giant Tope · 06/02/2010, 11:36 pm

Actually, what I'm currently curious about is who people think will go to hell. Also I'm curious about what everyone thinks hell is like.

Avistew · 06/03/2010, 12:11 am

What I'm wondering is, since the texts were meant for people thousands of years ago, that they're outdated now because we live in different conditions, and that the passages are so prone to misinterpretation (I don't know two people who agree exactly on which parts should be taken literally and which parts shouldn't), wouldn't it make more sense for the Bible to be a constantly moving amount of text, with added parts that relate to today, removing the parts that don't anymore, etc, in short the way it used to be constantly modified in the past.
Now it's been the same and is seen as "untouchable" and "unchangeable" when even Christians seem to agree that some parts need to be interpreted completely differently, and so on.

06/02/2010, 08:56 pm	#197
Alcoremortis Lonely Ruffian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ankh-Morpork PD Status: Killjoy Extraordinaire Actual Posts: Lots! Posts: 4,231	Ehh, people have made fun of Christians since the very beginning. It's nothing new. __________________ ETERNAL QUEEN OF HALLOWEEN STATUS CONFERRED. ~ Comrade Pants How can we be sure that Alcoremortis isn't just Comrade Pants trollplaying as a girl? ~ GuruGuru214 You're a shiny bright star; floating amongst a million slimy slugs in a sea of sludge. You transcend the pre-conceived and supposed limits of the human race, to emerge from the pit of pitiful maggots as a beautiful, majestic butterfly. ~ Davies The suspence of what's gonna come after death is killing me! ~ Jon NA Are you a secret Plaster Princess or something? ~ Secret Fawful

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Giant Tope bashful little whaleshark Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Portland Posts: 2,171	Actually, what I'm currently curious about is who people think will go to hell. Also I'm curious about what everyone thinks hell is like. __________________ I am a dinosaur. BUT! i am hiding. Last edited by Giant Tope; 06/02/2010 at 11:46 pm.

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Avistew I<3>1 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: France Posts: 5,051	What I'm wondering is, since the texts were meant for people thousands of years ago, that they're outdated now because we live in different conditions, and that the passages are so prone to misinterpretation (I don't know two people who agree exactly on which parts should be taken literally and which parts shouldn't), wouldn't it make more sense for the Bible to be a constantly moving amount of text, with added parts that relate to today, removing the parts that don't anymore, etc, in short the way it used to be constantly modified in the past. Now it's been the same and is seen as "untouchable" and "unchangeable" when even Christians seem to agree that some parts need to be interpreted completely differently, and so on.