Hot Hawks

[Raum]

There's 15 gnomes, the carrying capacity of the birds is 17.

So, yeah.

[kebabi]

The first hint will really help you out.

[Raum]

Does it change the rules?

If not, I don't see how it can help.

[der_ketzer]

one of the blue birds is obviously too much. You just have to find out which one.
And since the owl can only carry 1,5 gnomes per claw but there are no 0,5 gnomes this also means....

[Hassat Hunter]

Yeah, this one was a pain. I figured I *had* to use all birds (since the previous required such) so it took me 4 tries before I finally thought about not using a bird, even if it defied the rules.

And that was the solution... *sigh*

[Michael Listening]

if it is ok to break this former rule, why is it not ok to break another former, but also not repeated rule which said that every bird was maxed out on weight? (there is a solution where one of the birds pulls equal weight on both legs, but does not max out)

[Hassat Hunter]

Yup, that was one I tried too, before finding the correct "rule breaking solution"

[Ramshackle]

If we label the birds 1 through 6 from left to right, and the bags of gnomes A through E, why does the game consider the following solution to be wrong?

(Enclosed in spoiler tags, just in case.)

Bird 1 has both legs tied to bag A,
Bird 2 has both legs tied to bag B,
Bird 3 has both legs tied to bag C,
Bird 4 has both legs tied to bag D,
Birds 5 and 6 each have both legs tied to bag E.

This solution does not violate any of the specified limitations:
1) Weight limits per bird
- The mallards (birds 3 and 4) respectively carry 1.5 and 2 gnomes per leg.
- The owl (bird 6) carries the weight of 1.5 gnome per leg.
- The bluebirds (1, 2 and 5) respectively carry 0.5, 1 and 1 gnome per leg.
2) Birds may team up on heavy loads
3) Weight is distributed evenly between legs
- This is evidently the case for birds 1 through 4, which carry only a single bag each.
- This is also the case for birds 5 and 6, of which all four legs are tied to the same bag.
4) Lines can't cross
- Each of birds 1 through 4 is located almost directly above the bag it carries.
- Birds 5 and 6 are separated enough horizontally so that their four lines do not cross.


It appears that none of the constraints given by the game are violated by the solution, yet the game does consider the solution wrong (and adds the statement that 'there is only one possible solution'). What gives?

(Note: I've already found the 'correct' solution, but would still like to know why this particular one is rejected.)

[Hassat Hunter]

Because of the arbitary rule that birds should be FULLY loaded, but don't *have* to be loaded (second being different from the rules before).

All in all, it's a pretty badly designed puzzle.

[jp-30]

One bird stays at the aviary, the rest take the deliveries and are maxed out.

Maybe it could have been explained better (though I got this answer first try, no hints). And if the rules don't say that the hydraulic lifts all move at once or the audio doesn't travel through yellow squares then I guess ambiguous rules are part of the game.

[[TTG] Yare]

Originally Posted by jp-30

One bird stays at the aviary, the rest take the deliveries and are maxed out.

Maybe it could have been explained better (though I got this answer first try, no hints). And if the rules don't say that the hydraulic lifts all move at once or the audio doesn't travel through yellow squares then I guess ambiguous rules are part of the game.

No, it's not intentional. I'm going to be fixing as much of this stuff as I can for upcoming platform releases and possibly another PC/Mac build.

[jp-30]

Glad to hear it!

[Soultaker]

I tried this, but apparently this isn't allowed? Rules could be a bit clearer on that!


If the conclusion is that all legs must be fully loaded (or a bird be completely unused, which seems rather arbitrary, but OK) then what's the point of the "freight must be balanced" rule? Maxing out the legs guarantees they are balanced anyway.

edit:
And this isn't allowed either?! Why not? Which rule does this violate?


It seems that the hardest part of this puzzle is figuring out which rules apply...

[Neelo]

Originally Posted by Soultaker

edit:
And this isn't allowed either?! Why not? Which rule does this violate?


It seems that the hardest part of this puzzle is figuring out which rules apply...

The third bird is using two ropes in one leg.

[Soultaker]

Originally Posted by Neelo

The third bird is using two ropes in one leg.

True. Where does it say that's not allowed?

[Anmily]

read the rules carefully,then you'll find this puzzle is quite easy
Just link the bag and the leg and make sure the weight on that leg is at maximum

[Jessica]

So wich is the right number of gnomes?

* this math thinking is really not my strong side*