Ending differences in ToMI Chapter 5 (Beta and Final Versions)

[Debbie82]

I stumbled upon GameFAQs and came upon the screenshots from Tales of Monkey Island Chapter 5: Rise of the Pirate God, and I noticed some differences in the ending between the Beta and Final Versions of the game. In the Beta version, Elaine was still a demon bride when La Esponja Grande became small again, yet she turned on LeChuck and fought the skeletons. These screenshot links are proof of this:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen022.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen023.jpg

And yet her appearance became different in the Final version when she returned to her normal, brighter self, yet still in her black dress, as shown in the video link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LwrThKAQWo

Also, the ending is much different in the Beta version, when Elaine was still a demon bride in LeChuck's ship along with Winslow in the darkness even after Guybrush returned to life with her ring:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen024.jpg

Yet this is much different than in the Final version, when the normal-self Elaine in her black dress is on the Screaming Narwhal with Winslow at sunrise as shown in the links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDvSi122JmA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1naGEoyFV4k

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...handElaine.jpg

So I've been wondering how the programmers changed the ending from the Beta version to what is now in the Final version?

[Chyron8472]

Originally Posted by Debbie82

Also, the ending is much different in the Beta version, when Elaine was still a demon bride in LeChuck's ship along with Winslow in the darkness even after Guybrush returned to life with her ring:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen024.jpg

That's all really interesting, but this image in particular shows a door with a crescent moon on it. The Narwhal has such a door, not LeChuck's ship.

[Debbie82]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

That's all really interesting, but this image in particular shows a door with a crescent moon on it. The Narwhal has such a door, not LeChuck's ship.

Well, that may be why the walkthrough on Gamezebo had confused the Screaming Narwhal with LeChuck's ship because it was night in the Beta version, and Gamezebo STILL has a walkthrough of the Beta version of ToMI Chapter 5.

[Polychrome]

Huh! Now I'm starting to wonder what all changed! Maybe they'd originally intended for Guybrush to remain in Zombie mode?

[Mermaid]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

That's all really interesting, but this image in particular shows a door with a crescent moon on it. The Narwhal has such a door, not LeChuck's ship.

That reminds me when they forgot to, eh, "run a code" or something to have Guybrush have his hook in EP4. There had been a sneak preview screenshot of him and Elaine in court where he accidentally had his left hand back. Anybody remember what I'm talking about?

[Debbie82]

Originally Posted by Mermaid

That reminds me when they forgot to, eh, "run a code" or something to have Guybrush have his hook in EP4. There had been a sneak preview screenshot of him and Elaine in court where he accidentally had his left hand back. Anybody remember what I'm talking about?

Don't you mean Elaine waltzing with him OUTSIDE of court at night?

[prizna]

[Mermaid]

Originally Posted by prizna

That. Thanks.

[Hassat Hunter]

Well, "normal" black dress Elaine being "evil" Elaine probably is just a lack of having her new model yet... a placeholder. That happens all the time, so isn't really an indication something else was going on.

[JJoyce]

Originally Posted by Debbie82

So I've been wondering how the programmers changed the ending from the Beta version to what is now in the Final version?

I may be able to cast a little light on the mystery.

As you've already noticed, the review code that was sent out was a "working copy" rather than finished.

Obviously I don't still have the e-mail that accompanied it, but as I recall, they'd wanted to push review code out to make sure publications could meet deadlines in time for the launch of the finale, but the developers were still working on completing the game, particularly the ending. As I recall, they worked on that straight up until a day or two before the episode released.

In fact, I recall the review code didn't even include certain cinematics. The ending wasn't finished, but there was one scene I think mid-episode that they still hadn't finished either.

And they did use placeholders in parts, which could account for the Elaine discrepancies.

To the best of my recollection, they sent out another email with avi files attached to fill in the gaps for the missing cinematics a few days after they sent out the review code and may or may not have sent out a "final" review copy immediately before the episode launched.

[Debbie82]

I think I may be getting your point, JJoyce.

[Bloody Eugene]

One thing we need for sure in a *possible* second season: A LOT OF EXPLANATIONS!!!!

[splash1]

The scary almost not demon version of Elaine is obviously an older model rather then the newer. I can kind of tell because in this screenshot it looks like they haven't finished putting the edge and such that makes MI look so good.

It's just a shame that the beta version didn't contain an ending where Guybrush soaks up La Esponja and becomes Demonbrush Threepwood. The concepts obviously show that they planned for it, but they didn't want to do a good job in making him epic looking.

[Debbie82]

Originally Posted by splash1

The scary almost not demon version of Elaine is obviously an older model rather then the newer. I can kind of tell because in this screenshot it looks like they haven't finished putting the edge and such that makes MI look so good.

It's just a shame that the beta version didn't contain an ending where Guybrush soaks up La Esponja and becomes Demonbrush Threepwood. The concepts obviously show that they planned for it, but they didn't want to do a good job in making him epic looking.

I hate to bring this up, but about the "Demonbrush Threepwood" thing, this title of ToMI Chapter 4 would not have been "The Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood". I'm glad, but still bittersweet, that LeChuck soaks up the voodoo from the sponge after killing Guybrush in fulfillment of the chapter's title instead of the other way around.

[Jake]

I think it's mostly a simple matter of, when we took the screenshots for Ch 5, Elaine's "transformed but still wearing the same clothes" costume change wasn't done. Nothing too clever or secret behind it, sorry to say :P

[Trenchfoot]

Originally Posted by splash1

It's just a shame that the beta version didn't contain an ending where Guybrush soaks up La Esponja and becomes Demonbrush Threepwood. The concepts obviously show that they planned for it, but they didn't want to do a good job in making him epic looking.

There's concept art for this? Where??

[GuruGuru214]

On the DVD, the file is "chr_guybrush_demon".

[Farlander]

I think Guybrush is in his full 'demon form' when he jumps crazy at Bugeye, though then reverts back a bit, so it WAS used, albeit briefly.

EDIT: Sorry, misunderstood that for the 'poxed' art. Though, by the look of 'normal' Guybrush on that concept, my guess is that this 'Demon' stuff was the first version of the Pox or something like that.

[Captain Mickey]

Wait, there was a concept art for Demon!Guybrush? Or are you talking about the pox art work?

[GuruGuru214]

No, he's got horns and a grimace and everything.