Re: Ending to Season 3 (The City That Dares Not Sleep)

[Corvin25]

The ending bummed me out. Oh. MASSIVE SPOILERS BELOW. DO NOT HIGHLIGHT UNLESS YOU HAVE BEATEN THE GAME... OR JUST DON'T CARE.

I was bummed out. Not just because "real" max supposedly was vaporized. But because "new max" replacing him felt kinda tacked on. I don't know about you guys. But any seasons after Season 3, I won't be able to look at Max without thinking "That's not the real Max!!" Not to mention Sam so readily accepting this other Max as his new bestest little buddy.

If there's another season, and it perhaps deals with time travel or alternate universes... maybe this could be fixed. What if, in an alternate universe, Sam never got his buddy back, and obsessed over bringing him back for the rest of his life? What if, an elderly Sam used a time machine to bring young Sam a machine that would bring back his ORIGINAL little buddy? Now that would be quite a hard choice for Sam to make. Stick with the new Max, or bring back the Max he's known his whole life? Would make for an interesting episode, or even season.

What if the GHOST of Original Max somehow got merged with the soul of New Max? What if the entire multiverse was threatened by some unknown force, and all the Sams/Maxes from each parallel universe had to step in and save the last surviving plane of existence... OURS? What if all of their different incarnations' memories, thoughts, and spirits ended up merging with our heroes? There's so many ways this could be fixed, Telltale. I just hope it GETS fixed.

Overall it was a great season. But the ending kinda ruined it for me. I'm just too attached to the characters. This is like when your childhood dog gets run over... Except your parents get you a new puppy, when the old one isn't even buried or COLD yet.

Bad ending, Telltale. Bad. No after-season cake for you.

P.S.: Positive note: Great job on working the season title into the dialogue. Seriously. I never would have guessed that would be the theme of the series.

[Fazz]

Originally Posted by Corvin25

I was bummed out. Not just because "real" max supposedly was vaporized. But because "new max" replacing him felt kinda tacked on. I don't know about you guys. But any seasons after Season 3, I won't be able to look at Max without thinking "That's not the real Max!!" Not to mention Sam so readily accepting this other Max as his new bestest little buddy.

Well, I read something on the forum that help me moving on!

The Max you played with is not the original Max. The original Max already died in the comics and had been cloned.

By the way, Telltale Team: how was it possible in the comics and not in the game?

[The-J23]

Originally Posted by Fazz

Well, I read something on the forum that help me moving on!

The Max you played with is not the original Max. The original Max already died in the comics and had been cloned.

By the way, Telltale Team: how was it possible in the comics and not in the game?

I can clear that up:

It is the real max, when Max dies in the comic his soul gets trapped in Sams hand.Sam(who was carrying Maxes remains)kind of made a hand puppet using a pen and the top half of his head(which in my guess is where they got "Maxes severed head" for the TF2 thing). Anyway by using whats left of Max and by hooking Sam up to some machine they were able to bring back the old Max, just with a new body.

hope that clears it all up.

[Fazz]

Originally Posted by The-J23

I can clear that up:

It is the real max, when Max dies in the comic his soul gets trapped in Sams hand.Sam(who was carrying Maxes remains)kind of made a hand puppet using a pen and the top half of his head(which in my guess is where they got "Maxes severed head" for the TF2 thing). Anyway by using whats left of Max and by hooking Sam up to some machine they were able to bring back the old Max, just with a new body.

hope that clears it all up.

I'm not sure I understood... it was more like healing?

[Emo Hoe]

Originally Posted by Fazz

I'm not sure I understood... it was more like healing?

It was sort of a cross between healing and cloning.

Max's body was re-created from the mushed up remains Sam had been carrying around. It is ambiguous as to whether this was literal reconstruction or mere cloning from the DNA. Then his spirit, which was in Sam's hand, was put back into the body.

I suspect the whole Momma Bosco getting her body back via cloning is a nod to this.

[The-J23]

Originally Posted by Fazz

I'm not sure I understood... it was more like healing?

yeah, I guess you could put it that way.

It's still the old Max, unlike this one

The comic is called "Bad Day on the Moon" if you want to check it out.

[Fazz]

Originally Posted by The-J23

The comic is called "Bad Day on the Moon" if you want to check it out.

Thanks. I'll wait that the Season 3 DVD comes out to order it and Surfin' in the Highway (cause it IS on Surfin' in the Highway... right?)

[russell19831983]

Its max from 102, in episode 204 sam and max go back in time and meet sam and max from 102 who steal the time machine, so after sam and max from 204 repeat the whole year a while later the duplicate sam and max go off on their own adventures using the time elevator, and thats the duplicate max at the end of 305

[The-J23]

Originally Posted by Fazz

Thanks. I'll wait that the Season 3 DVD comes out to order it and Surfin' in the Highway (cause it IS on Surfin' in the Highway... right?)

yes, it is.

[divisionten]

It was also recreated in one of the animated TV episodes. (episode 3, aired with "They Came from Down There")

[Player_2]

Past Max doesn't count to me. I'm not going to like him. He's not the same. I WON't ACCEPT THIS!

In The Penal Zone, Sam promises to not let anything too deadly happen to Max, and he cheerfully answers that player characters can't die. Ever since then, I was positive that they were going to kill him off just for the hell of it, JUST because he said that.

But I didn't think they'd really do it...and I was so, so sure that they could just clone him again...

I refuse to accept Past Max, AND THAT'S FINAL. Damn you, Telltale! You broke my young maiden heart!

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Player_2

Past Max doesn't count to me. I'm not going to like him. He's not the same. I WON't ACCEPT THIS!

In The Penal Zone, Sam promises to not let anything too deadly happen to Max, and he cheerfully answers that player characters can't die. Ever since then, I was positive that they were going to kill him off just for the hell of it, JUST because he said that.

But I didn't think they'd really do it...and I was so, so sure that they could just clone him again...

I refuse to accept Past Max, AND THAT'S FINAL. Damn you, Telltale! You broke my young maiden heart!

You'd accept a clone Max made from nothing but his DNA, but you won't accept a Max who has been with Sam his whole life, except for a couple of years when the time stream got screwed up, where both friends realized they had to kill the other to save the world? Bold!

[Cheri]

My headcanon is this; Sam will tell Past!Max about everything and Past!Max will just accept and if this season's events are mentioned again in passing next season, Past!Max will act as if it was all him. I mean, it's still Max, he'd be incredibly accepting of having psychic powers. I know it's kinda convuluted, but it's my way of dealing with it :C

[tredlow]

Originally Posted by russell19831983

Its max from 102, in episode 204 sam and max go back in time and meet sam and max from 102 who steal the time machine, so after sam and max from 204 repeat the whole year a while later the duplicate sam and max go off on their own adventures using the time elevator, and thats the duplicate max at the end of 305

That is perfect, actually. Though does anyone remember exactly what happened to 102 Sam and Max in 204? Were their fates actually explained in 204?

[GinnyN]

Originally Posted by Jake

You'd accept a clone Max made from nothing but his DNA, but you won't accept a Max who has been with Sam his whole life, except for a couple of years when the time stream got screwed up, where both friends realized they had to kill the other to save the world? Bold!

EXACTLY! And my theory goes this time they are going to be more friends than ever because they already know how is lose eachother!

Also, I'm with Cheri. Max has a short-term memory for something.

"AH! GIANT TALKING DOG!"

[Jake]

Originally Posted by tredlow

That is perfect, actually. Though does anyone remember exactly what happened to 102 Sam and Max in 204? Were their fates actually explained in 204?

The last you see of the Season One versions of Sam & Max, they steal the time machine (which they think is "their" time machine) and escape from the spaceship right before the Season Two Sam & Max can get it. We have no idea from there what their adventures are until a season and a half later when that Max appears alone in the elevator in 305.

[alldogship]

Originally Posted by Jake

You'd accept a clone Max made from nothing but his DNA, but you won't accept a Max who has been with Sam his whole life, except for a couple of years when the time stream got screwed up, where both friends realized they had to kill the other to save the world? Bold!

I was also bummed for this quick status quo fix but I then understood what you did there. It's like an alternate Season 3 that we'll never play.

Also: Will we ever learn how both present and past Sam and Max went to the moon? (other that that big red button in the car theory)

Also Also: They left the time traveling elevator in New York? Now, you'll get a time traveling hobo or rat.

[tabstis]

Originally Posted by Jake

The last you see of the Season One versions of Sam & Max, they steal the time machine (which they think is "their" time machine) and escape from the spaceship right before the Season Two Sam & Max can get it. We have no idea from there what their adventures are until a season and a half later when that Max appears alone in the elevator in 305.

So... we don't know whether Max's story is true... I think I better call Flint Paper.

[Zonino]

Originally Posted by Jake

The last you see of the Season One versions of Sam & Max, they steal the time machine (which they think is "their" time machine) and escape from the spaceship right before the Season Two Sam & Max can get it. We have no idea from there what their adventures are until a season and a half later when that Max appears alone in the elevator in 305.

Sounds like a possible plot for season 4!

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Zonino

Sounds like a possible plot for season 4!

There were definite possible plots for Season Three where alternate timeline Sam & Max were more heavily involved, but it seemed way too convoluted even compared to what the designers did do.