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RingmasterJ5 · 09/01/2010, 08:00 pm

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Originally Posted by doodinthemood

You are mistaken. The new max is dead.

You know what I mean. Even though I'm a HUGE Sam and Max fan, I just don't understand the whole "time paradox" thing going on in the forums, even with Guru's diagram.

Rakushun · 09/01/2010, 08:10 pm

I'll just keep it short and say overall I enjoyed the season, but some parts tried too hard to be genuinely serious and fell flat. That's basically my only real complaint for the most part....hm, also this was the glitchest season.

**Jake** · 09/01/2010, 08:54 pm

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Originally Posted by RingmasterJ5

You know what I mean. Even though I'm a HUGE Sam and Max fan, I just don't understand the whole "time paradox" thing going on in the forums, even with Guru's diagram.

In Season Two, Sam and Max get a time machine, and use it to go back in time to Season One. When there, they meet the Season One versions of themselves, who steal the time machine. Various hijinx ensue, and their paths cross a few more times during that episode, but at the end of the day, Season One Sam And Max go rogue, stealing the time machine and running off for good to save their own skin!

What happened to those guys, nobody knows. The mix up with the time machine caused a weird paradox, resulting in there being two Sam and Maxes wandering the time stream.

At the end if 305, we reunite the remains of both pairs of Freelance Police, and unify the timestream. Maybe in some other city, or in an Alternate Season Three, where time forked in favor of the rogue Season One Sam and Max and their stolen time machine, they had adventures ten times crazier than those seen in The Devils Playhouse, in which Season One Sam got crazy electromagnetic powers, and Max had to kill him.

For whatever reason (but probably fate or convenience), Season One Max, now partnerless, got in the time machine had went to the exact place and time where our Season Two/Three Sam was sitting, reminiscing about his dead partner. The end!

The time machine was built to travel to anyones birthday. Maybe Season One Max was able to somehow use it to travel to his day of death instead, and found Sam there. I just made that up, but its probably what happened.

Flyingman356 · 09/01/2010, 09:30 pm

How about we just say that that was Sam's birthday

Pretty crappy birthday until then

HappyCoincidence · 09/01/2010, 09:38 pm

Best Telltale Season so far, and therefore the best Adventure Game, since TMI was, at its worst, tying for the top spot.
I was a bit confused by the end (didn't feel cheapened as some of the forums had said) but thanks to Jake's post, I remembered the alternate Sam & Max from 204. That makes the ending so very appropriate. If a Season 4 happens, it'll definitely have some interesting points to pick up from. Grandpa Stinky's new body, Sybil's Baby, sure...but how did Bluster Blaster end up in space?!
The "Main character's dead at the end fake-out" trope is certainly a popular one. It's become a Final Fantasy staple since 8 (excluding 11 and possibly 13), which is where I first encountered it and it showed up in TMI. Combined with the eerie psychadaelia of the season, it really took the world into a new direction.

I'd like to stop to address episode 3, though. It's definitely my favorite. I liked the hard-boiled detective opening (and great job, Majus), but I really liked the 2nd half. In fiction, too rarely do we see the Worst Case Scenario. Admittedly, this was only when someone had MOST of the Toys of Power, but we got to see what the stakes were. Same with Episode 5 of TMI (Guybrush dead, LeChuck ruling the Carribean, Elaine his undead bride, etc.). BTTF II did it very well with the alternate 1985. Although I loved LOST (go check out the epilogue if you haven't already), I felt like the stakes were kind of an unknown. The Light goes out everywhere if it goes out on The Island? What does that mean? It was hinted that the world would cease to have ever existed, but everyone spoke in metaphors so much that it was hard to believe, although it is hard to show an Apocalypse and come back from it.

But yeah, all of this outdoing yourself must get pretty tiresome, huh Telltale? Maybe you should take a break, really underwhelm us a couple times, so that it means something when you make your next best game ever.

ShaggE · 09/01/2010, 10:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Jake

The time machine was built to travel to anyones birthday. Maybe Season One Max was able to somehow use it to travel to his day of death instead, and found Sam there. I just made that up, but its probably what happened.

It's plausible. Max would've just needed to dig through Sam's inventory and press everything against the time machine until something worked.

That's how I learned to build PCs, by the way. Just connect a bunch of parts until I no longer hear "I can't use these things together!" in my head.

Chuck · 09/01/2010, 10:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Rakushun

I'll just keep it short and say overall I enjoyed the season, but some parts tried too hard to be genuinely serious and fell flat.

Never assume a Sam & Max game is trying to be genuinely serious.

Rakushun · 09/01/2010, 10:30 pm

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Originally Posted by Chuck

Never assume a Sam & Max game is trying to be genuinely serious.

I don't have any reason to believe it doesn't.

Chuck · 09/01/2010, 10:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Rakushun

I don't have any reason to believe it doesn't.

Except when the writer is telling you straight up that it's not.

Rakushun · 09/01/2010, 10:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Chuck

Except when the writer is telling you straight up that it's not.

I don't remember the writer for 305 ever telling me that.

Rakushun · 09/01/2010, 10:38 pm

And even if he did, just what are the darker moments supposed to be if not serious?

I remember a Telltale guy in another thread saying he found the melodramatic moments funny in how they were overly serious, or something along those lines. I kind of see where he was coming from, but that's just not how I felt. When Noir Sam came around and he was smacking people around and shouting I assume the expected reaction was "Oh man, hahaha, this is ridiculous!"

To me, I just couldn't help but think ".....Am I really supposed to be intimidated by him? This is ridiculous."
The answer to that question most likely being no, I WASN'T supposed to be, but except for some of Sam's monologues not making much sense and Sam breaking character a few times to say sorry, there weren't many genuine jokes during that part to really make me think that.

.....I still liked 303 overall by the way. More than most apparently...

Falanca · 09/01/2010, 11:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Rakushun

To me, I just couldn't help but think ".....Am I really supposed to be intimidated by him? This is ridiculous."
The answer to that question most likely being no, I WASN'T supposed to be, but except for some of Sam's monologues not making much sense and Sam breaking character a few times to say sorry, there weren't many genuine jokes during that part to really make me think that.

The overuse of gun or Noir parts? Hubert Q. Tourist? Sign Spinner's somewhat stereotypical revelation of having found a girlfriend after leaving Skunkape's side? I mean... Seriously?

Entire sequence was filled with jokes. Sure they were mostly hidden in the options you shouldn't be choosing, but in the end you could still feel Sam & Max. If you don't "get" the joke, look at the atmosphere they achieved to get. If you don't get THAT, the whole noir segment was a spectacular change of one character. It was AT LEAST interesting to watch.

You're totally nitpicking. And you're not even being sincere about it.

Shwoo · 09/02/2010, 01:57 am

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Originally Posted by Rakushun

I don't remember the writer for 305 ever telling me that.

He just did.

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Originally Posted by Rakushun

To me, I just couldn't help but think ".....Am I really supposed to be intimidated by him? This is ridiculous."
The answer to that question most likely being no, I WASN'T supposed to be, but except for some of Sam's monologues not making much sense and Sam breaking character a few times to say sorry, there weren't many genuine jokes during that part to really make me think that.

.....I still liked 303 overall by the way. More than most apparently...

The joke is that Sam turned into an over the top noir guy.

Hassat Hunter · 09/02/2010, 05:27 am

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Originally Posted by Chuck

Never assume a Sam & Max game is trying to be genuinely serious.

Then why try to do emotional scene's like the end of 305? Quote doesn't match execution...

RingmasterJ5 · 09/02/2010, 06:33 am

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Originally Posted by Jake

In Season Two, Sam and Max get a time machine, and use it to go back in time to Season One. When there, they meet the Season One versions of themselves, who steal the time machine. Various hijinx ensue, and their paths cross a few more times during that episode, but at the end of the day, Season One Sam And Max go rogue, stealing the time machine and running off for good to save their own skin!

What happened to those guys, nobody knows. The mix up with the time machine caused a weird paradox, resulting in there being two Sam and Maxes wandering the time stream.

At the end if 305, we reunite the remains of both pairs of Freelance Police, and unify the timestream. Maybe in some other city, or in an Alternate Season Three, where time forked in favor of the rogue Season One Sam and Max and their stolen time machine, they had adventures ten times crazier than those seen in The Devils Playhouse, in which Season One Sam got crazy electromagnetic powers, and Max had to kill him.

For whatever reason (but probably fate or convenience), Season One Max, now partnerless, got in the time machine had went to the exact place and time where our Season Two/Three Sam was sitting, reminiscing about his dead partner. The end!

The time machine was built to travel to anyones birthday. Maybe Season One Max was able to somehow use it to travel to his day of death instead, and found Sam there. I just made that up, but its probably what happened.

Thanks.

JedExodus · 09/02/2010, 06:35 am

I wasn't super fussed about 305 to be frank. For such a big deal to be made about who would betray Sam & Max only for him to turn good five minutes later anyway was a bit pants I thought. My baby Roach surviving the nuclear radiation in the arms of monster Max but somehow it kills Sal, hands-down the best new character about was a bit meh.

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Originally Posted by Chuck

Never assume a Sam & Max game is trying to be genuinely serious.

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Originally Posted by Hassat Hunter

Then why try to do emotional scene's like the end of 305? Quote doesn't match execution...

Guy's got a point, I actually made a "pffft" sound as Sam trudged down that street, they held out to the last minute to really make you think that Max was gone, credits all flew past and everything, but I doubt anyone seriously thought that Max wasn't gonna come back

I did love the use of the Season 2 time travel majigger though, it was very cheeky and the kind of thing I was looking for

There was loads of stuff I loved though, but it's all at the start of the episode

The intro sequence, complete with big pan of the city and dramatic music. The 70's introduction of our team of gargantua Max explorers, there was a lot of polish and care in those. I liked Satan and Jurgen on the rooftop as well, and listening to Max's Flint Paper audiobook among a lot of other things, but these stick out to me

Just something about the way the whole thing panned out didn't sit right with me

tl;dr loved loads of little touches, fell flat on some of the big sells

Pantagruel's Friend · 09/02/2010, 07:53 am

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Originally Posted by Hassat Hunter

Then why try to do emotional scene's like the end of 305? Quote doesn't match execution...

If they're not completely serious, they still can be somewhat serious, can't they?
Also, I think that scene in 305 came out quite well. And that's from someone who hated the ending of Tales of Monkey Island episode 4 for bad dramatization.

Rakushun · 09/02/2010, 08:13 am

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Originally Posted by Shwoo

The joke is that Sam turned into an over the top noir guy.

That's not funny. He wasn't very over the top anyway.

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Originally Posted by Falanca

The overuse of gun or Noir parts? Hubert Q. Tourist? Sign Spinner's somewhat stereotypical revelation of having found a girlfriend after leaving Skunkape's side? I mean... Seriously?

None of those are very funny either. I don't think 'overuse of gun' even counts as a joke at all.

Hassat Hunter · 09/02/2010, 08:44 am

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Originally Posted by Pantagruel's Friend

If they're not completely serious, they still can be somewhat serious, can't they?

"Somewhat serious" falls into "genuinely serious" category for me.
Not for you?

Pantagruel's Friend · 09/02/2010, 10:11 am

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Originally Posted by Hassat Hunter

"Somewhat serious" falls into "genuinely serious" category for me.
Not for you?

No - and even, for me, "totally serious" and "genuinely serious" aren't the same. I'm not native English, so I may be wrong about the subtleties, but for me, only "totally", "completely" or "utterly" serious is without any humour.

09/01/2010, 10:38 pm	#31
Rakushun Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 39	And even if he did, just what are the darker moments supposed to be if not serious? I remember a Telltale guy in another thread saying he found the melodramatic moments funny in how they were overly serious, or something along those lines. I kind of see where he was coming from, but that's just not how I felt. When Noir Sam came around and he was smacking people around and shouting I assume the expected reaction was "Oh man, hahaha, this is ridiculous!" To me, I just couldn't help but think ".....Am I really supposed to be intimidated by him? This is ridiculous." The answer to that question most likely being no, I WASN'T supposed to be, but except for some of Sam's monologues not making much sense and Sam breaking character a few times to say sorry, there weren't many genuine jokes during that part to really make me think that. .....I still liked 303 overall by the way. More than most apparently... Last edited by Rakushun; 09/01/2010 at 10:58 pm.

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09/01/2010, 08:10 pm	#22
Rakushun Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 39	I'll just keep it short and say overall I enjoyed the season, but some parts tried too hard to be genuinely serious and fell flat. That's basically my only real complaint for the most part....hm, also this was the glitchest season.

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Flyingman356 Not really the Thnikkaman Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Melbourne, VIC, Australia Posts: 253	How about we just say that that was Sam's birthday Pretty crappy birthday until then

09/01/2010, 09:38 pm	#25
HappyCoincidence Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 51	Best Telltale Season so far, and therefore the best Adventure Game, since TMI was, at its worst, tying for the top spot. I was a bit confused by the end (didn't feel cheapened as some of the forums had said) but thanks to Jake's post, I remembered the alternate Sam & Max from 204. That makes the ending so very appropriate. If a Season 4 happens, it'll definitely have some interesting points to pick up from. Grandpa Stinky's new body, Sybil's Baby, sure...but how did Bluster Blaster end up in space?! The "Main character's dead at the end fake-out" trope is certainly a popular one. It's become a Final Fantasy staple since 8 (excluding 11 and possibly 13), which is where I first encountered it and it showed up in TMI. Combined with the eerie psychadaelia of the season, it really took the world into a new direction. I'd like to stop to address episode 3, though. It's definitely my favorite. I liked the hard-boiled detective opening (and great job, Majus), but I really liked the 2nd half. In fiction, too rarely do we see the Worst Case Scenario. Admittedly, this was only when someone had MOST of the Toys of Power, but we got to see what the stakes were. Same with Episode 5 of TMI (Guybrush dead, LeChuck ruling the Carribean, Elaine his undead bride, etc.). BTTF II did it very well with the alternate 1985. Although I loved LOST (go check out the epilogue if you haven't already), I felt like the stakes were kind of an unknown. The Light goes out everywhere if it goes out on The Island? What does that mean? It was hinted that the world would cease to have ever existed, but everyone spoke in metaphors so much that it was hard to believe, although it is hard to show an Apocalypse and come back from it. But yeah, all of this outdoing yourself must get pretty tiresome, huh Telltale? Maybe you should take a break, really underwhelm us a couple times, so that it means something when you make your next best game ever.