What's your theory about the ending of Monkey Island 2 - LeChuck's Revenge?

[doggans]

Originally Posted by boumbh

But the fact that the Costume Shop is a huge place of anachronisms appears quite puzzling to me.

I never noticed any more anachronisms in the costume shop than any other location in the two games.

[Farlander]

It's not space issue (obviously, I mean, if it were a space issue there just wouldn't have been one of the backgrounds entirely, redrawed Booty Island has nothing to do with it) and it's neither laziness nor budget reasons (note that almost everything, bar the form of the buildings and a few hedges is absolutely different). If they would want to make them different, they would have - they had the possibilities. It's clearly has been done on purpose.

[boumbh]

Originally Posted by doggans

I never noticed any more anachronisms in the costume shop than any other location in the two games.

Yes, I should have say that the whole shop was an anachronism in itself (in my opinion), as for the maintenance tunnels in the end of the game. Booty Island would be a place where fantasy and reality are very close... As if it was the entrance of the park... where the gift shops usually stand... Still, there is a flaw in my reasoning, why would a gift shops become a costume shop in a child's mind?

[doggans]

Originally Posted by Farlander

It's clearly has been done on purpose.

It's definitely done on purpose, but I'm not sure why anyone thinks it proves anything. The theme park sequence has things that Guybrush encounters throughout the game. If he's really just a kid, then it's what inspired the idea of those things, but if he's really under a spell, then it's just stuff LeChuck put together to confuse him and blur the lines between reality and fantasy.

[crashboy765]

Guybrush could've died from the fall, and when he wakes up, he's in (yeah) and LeChuck's the devil, trying to torture him.

EDIT: Note later in the games it's called "The Carnival of the (yeah)"

[StarEye]

Originally Posted by doggans

It's definitely done on purpose, but I'm not sure why anyone thinks it proves anything. The theme park sequence has things that Guybrush encounters throughout the game. If he's really just a kid, then it's what inspired the idea of those things, but if he's really under a spell, then it's just stuff LeChuck put together to confuse him and blur the lines between reality and fantasy.

It's not unlikely it's meant to mislead us.

[prizna]

I still say that Lechuck knew what he was doing and that it was a curse on Guybrush, how could there have been an MI 3 which we all know Ron had in mind if it was just a kids daydream.

[Farlander]

Originally Posted by prizna

I still say that Lechuck knew what he was doing and that it was a curse on Guybrush, how could there have been an MI 3 which we all know Ron had in mind if it was just a kids daydream.

That's a common misconception that while developing MI2 they had something planned for MI3 in mind. That's the point. They didn't. Even Ron didn't, he said somewhere himself he really never thought about MI3 until after MI2 was released (and even then it were just some vague ideas and stuff). And the ending in MI2 with red eyes/Elaine was put there just in case they decide to make a sequel, but they didn't plan it as a trilogy beforehand.

[StarEye]

Maybe he didn't have the story worked out in his mind, but I don't think the ending was like that "just for fun". There's never been any indication wether the ending was meant to reveal anything or not, just that the ending was bold and Ron had to convince the others to use it. I'm fairly certain that the ending was made with a sequel in mind, and the ending was just another hint towards the bigger secret.

Also, if the "boy in an amusement park" theory is true, Ron wouldn't have dismissed it, which he has. Yeah, he might have lied, but I'd rather not think of him as a liar. Besides, suggesting he is one is also rather disrespectfut towards him.

[prizna]

Ok I guess im wrong about MI3 being planned during LR but I guess I just dont like the idea of it being a dream, it just feels like a cheat ending, teachers at school in English always told the class that when writting a story dont make then ending that it was all a dream.

[Farlander]

Maybe he didn't have the story worked out in his mind, but I don't think the ending was like that "just for fun".

Didn't the MI2:SE commentary reveal that it was mostly 'just for fun'? (by 'for fun' I mean 'for laughs', and by 'for laughs' I mean 'for people to laugh' ). Tim said they decided to use a twist after twist after twist just, you know, for kicks.

[OzzieMonkey]

I think I've said this once before somewhere, but what does Big Whoop have anything to do with the secret of Monkey Island? They are two different things. It was never mentioned anywhere in the games that they were connected in anyway , yet the explanation of the ending to MI2 has suddenly been connected to the secret? To me that just doesn't make sense.

[StarEye]

Originally Posted by Farlander

Didn't the MI2:SE commentary reveal that it was mostly 'just for fun'? (by 'for fun' I mean 'for laughs', and by 'for laughs' I mean 'for people to laugh' ). Tim said they decided to use a twist after twist after twist just, you know, for kicks.

Okay, "just for fun" was not the correct choice of words. Obviously, they wanted the ending to confuse us (and amuse them). What I'm thinking, though, is that the whole idea of the universe, in this case the "secret", is just an overlay that the stories can be built around. Hence why Ron said that it's still possible to fit his story (that he wanted to be MI3 which he had in mind before CMI, but only after MI2 was released) into the series without discarding CMI.

So, since we have no idea what the secret was supposed to be, despite getting a lot of clues within both games, the way it is revealed was probably not set in stone, and the games needed to follow a certain set of rules so that it wouldn't crash with the "secret".

And the reason I think the "child in a an amusement park" doesn't work is because they've already stated that Big Whoop is exactly what the name implies. Completely irrelevant to the full picture. Considering Big Whoop is the name of the amusement park, it would be a pretty big deal if that was the secret.

So, by saying Big Whoop was never intended to be important, they're basically denying that the ending is important at all and only meant to confuse us. Which leads me to believe that a) Ron's MI3 would explain the ending very briefly then just continuing with the story or b) Ron's MI3 would just call it a dream that happened after Guybrush falls into the tunnels.

[Polychrome]

Originally Posted by StarEye

Maybe he didn't have the story worked out in his mind, but I don't think the ending was like that "just for fun". There's never been any indication wether the ending was meant to reveal anything or not, just that the ending was bold and Ron had to convince the others to use it. I'm fairly certain that the ending was made with a sequel in mind, and the ending was just another hint towards the bigger secret.

I think you have it slightly backwards.

I think there's no question that the ending was "just for fun". Specifically, it exists merely for the purpose of a barrel of Star Wars laughs.

However, they didn't want to permanently write themselves into a corner they couldn't get out of. Hence the evil-eyed Le Chuck and Elaine.

[StarEye]

Originally Posted by Polychrome

I think you have it slightly backwards.

I think there's no question that the ending was "just for fun". Specifically, it exists merely for the purpose of a barrel of Star Wars laughs.

However, they didn't want to permanently write themselves into a corner they couldn't get out of. Hence the evil-eyed Le Chuck and Elaine.

Read my next post, and you will see what I meant.

[Hayden]

Originally Posted by Farlander

That's a common misconception that while developing MI2 they had something planned for MI3 in mind. That's the point. They didn't. Even Ron didn't, he said somewhere himself he really never thought about MI3 until after MI2 was released (and even then it were just some vague ideas and stuff). And the ending in MI2 with red eyes/Elaine was put there just in case they decide to make a sequel, but they didn't plan it as a trilogy beforehand.

He didn't plan out what would be in the third game, but he did mention that he did expect to do a third game in which he would "explain everything that was going on [in the ending]." (14:14 of this). Not that this suggests that he had any sort of big idea as to what would happen (I'm not saying that because I know it's not the case). I just thought I'd point it our that he did plan on making a third game and coming up with some explanation and conclusion.

[Banned User]

Originally Posted by prizna

I still say that Lechuck knew what he was doing and that it was a curse on Guybrush, how could there have been an MI 3 which we all know Ron had in mind if it was just a kids daydream.

I don't see how it could be any other way. LeChucks eyes glowing and then Elaine saying she hoped Guybrush wasn't put under a voodoo curse at the end. It seems obvious. LeChuck tricked Guybrush and placed a curse on him. His parents and the park were a illusion. That might be why LeChuck had the skeletons of Guybrushes parents in the caverns of Big Whoop. He planned this voodoo curse all along and something from the skeletons was needed to make the curse work.

The real question is how did Guybrush get out of it. I can imagine LeChuck making his parents talk little Guybrush on to deadly rides. Like the log ride down a waterfall. The roller coaster that's 'under repair'. Road warrior bumper cars!

Another big question is how Guybrush ended up in a bumper car in the ocean in Curse of monkey island if the amusement park was a illusion.

I'd love to see a side episode from TellTale to explain what happened between 2 & 3

Also what was with the card with the E on it ??

[StarEye]

Originally Posted by Banned User

Also what was with the card with the E on it ??

That was actually a reference to Disney World.

[Banned User]

Originally Posted by StarEye

That was actually a reference to Disney World.

wow. big whoop

[StarEye]

exactly