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abdallah · 09/27/2007, 01:26 pm

Oh come on you know you want to try it out! It looks absolutely delicious, and the nonflat style of it would work much better for Sam n Max than toonshading a la Windwaker.
Here's a pdf file from Valve where they tell exactly how it's done:
http://www.valvesoftware.com/publica...mFortress2.pdf

Oh pretty please with sugar on top consider doing something similar

**Jake** · 09/27/2007, 01:42 pm

I tried pasting the PDF into the rendering engine source code, and it's giving me compile errors. I guess it's not that easy.

Harald B · 09/27/2007, 01:46 pm

What's wrong with the season one lighting?? The way Max looked in all the various lights in Reality 2.0 was stunning, especially when he turns his head in closeup when in front of the firewall. I can't imagine cell shading working better.

xChri5x · 09/27/2007, 02:09 pm

A Team Foress Sam & Max mini game would be cool. Each Character can be assigned a different class!

Sir Lemming · 09/27/2007, 02:53 pm

I must say that looks absolutely amazing, way better than usual cel-shading would be for something like Sam & Max. It actually looks sort of SCUMM-ish. But they've already established the look with season 1, and I don't see them changing it any time soon.

Kedri · 09/27/2007, 03:17 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

I tried pasting the PDF into the rendering engine source code, and it's giving me compile errors. I guess it's not that easy.

Did you make sure de computer was plugged in? And have you tried restarting it?

abdallah · 09/27/2007, 03:23 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

I tried pasting the PDF into the rendering engine source code, and it's giving me compile errors. I guess it's not that easy.

When the screen is filled, just shake it firmly and it will reboot.

MeaningOfLife · 09/27/2007, 06:59 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

I tried pasting the PDF into the rendering engine source code, and it's giving me compile errors. I guess it's not that easy.

Clearly you were using the wrong engine, you need to paste it into Valve's Source Engine, duh! I'm sure Telltale never got the license for that.

taumel · 09/27/2007, 11:04 pm

Give me a nice character (like Sam, no Poppers are accepted!) and i rim shade it for you...

Yohmi · 09/28/2007, 12:46 am

You just have to do

for dependant lightning, and

for independant lightning ! It appears so easy, I'm very disappointed by you Jake...

tobar · 09/28/2007, 02:28 am

Wow, that's a GREAT stylized look! Must be a real resource hog what with all of those rendering passes though.

wiedo · 09/28/2007, 03:50 am

yeah.. i'm following TF2 for a long time (too long actually) and I really digg the new cartoony style.
When I saw the trailers om S&M S2 I thought they would use the same technique's as TF2. But maybe this is something for S&M S3

(pleeeeaaaase, pretty pleeaaase, wet puppy eyes pleeaaase)

ShaggE · 09/28/2007, 06:42 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

I tried pasting the PDF into the rendering engine source code, and it's giving me compile errors. I guess it's not that easy.

*sigh*

You have to translate the PDF into LOLcode.

LOLcode is an industry standard now... get with the times, man!

Would you like us to just take over development for you guys? Yeesh!

abdallah · 09/28/2007, 07:39 am

Yeah even I can produce those visuals - here look

Presto. Didn't take me more than a minute either.

wiedo · 10/03/2007, 02:18 pm

I pre-ordered the orange box and played TF2 for ten hours in 3 days (+school and work).
GREAT GAME, GREAT GRAPHICS!

The graphics are totaly different from the graphics of S&M, more pixar like. Maybe S&M is more cartoony, but I think this toon shader thing will look great on S&M.

I also like the use of motion blur and the facial animations of the characters in TF2. Telltale has to check this game out, just for study

tabacco · 10/03/2007, 02:50 pm

Many of us already play TF2, thank you very much. You're not going to see those graphics in season two, though. It's not even our style, really

**Jake** · 10/03/2007, 02:53 pm

Yeah we all play it quite a lot, actually. Doug's got a dedicated server running in the office for LAN matches. Digging around the general forum will even reveal a thread Nick created about it.

Maratanos · 10/03/2007, 03:09 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harald B

What's wrong with the season one lighting?? The way Max looked in all the various lights in Reality 2.0 was stunning, especially when he turns his head in closeup when in front of the firewall. I can't imagine cell shading working better.

What's wrong? Tons.

It WOULD have looked stunning, surely, if it weren't for the complete absence of reflections and shadows. Without these, the lighting lacks much in terms of realism.

Just compare the office render for season 2 with the office screenshot, and you'll know what I mean.

abdallah · 10/04/2007, 04:42 pm

Absolutely nothing wrong with the graphics so far! This is just a really cool way to render them.

**Jake** · 10/05/2007, 12:34 am

We'd like to expand our renderer out to do cooler stuff, and in fact have already made some enhancements on the console side for CSI, like per pixel shading for cleaner environment/specular maps (if you look at the mobile crime lab vehicle on the 360 and then compare it to the PC, the new tech that made it into the 360 version is a noticeable improvement) and generally making things look nicer. We're always improving basically everything ... if you go back and play Out From Boneville then jump into the last few Sam & Max episodes it's obvious that things are always slowly building. One big difference between Telltale and the standard game company, though, is that we don't sequester ourselves in the back of the office for two years writing a new rendering engine for every game we ship -- the updates to the visual side get snuck in slowly either as we need them, or when a programmer has time and is tasked to spend it on that sort of thing in between shipping episodes, or between seasons. There's always progress going on, and we're always discovering new things we can do even within the existing toolset (there are some effects in season two that people will probably be surprised by, and I probably nearly broke the engine doing some of the composing for the opening title sequence), but from a single episode or season to the next, there aren't a stunning amount of leaps forward in every arena. All that said, I think people will be surprised by some of the stuff we'll be churning out over the next year. Probably not Team Fortress 2, but, you know.

09/27/2007, 01:26 pm	#1
abdallah Formula 1 champion Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 160	Team Fortress 2 toon shading in Season... 3 then? Oh come on you know you want to try it out! It looks absolutely delicious, and the nonflat style of it would work much better for Sam n Max than toonshading a la Windwaker. Here's a pdf file from Valve where they tell exactly how it's done: http://www.valvesoftware.com/publica...mFortress2.pdf Oh pretty please with sugar on top consider doing something similar Last edited by abdallah; 09/27/2007 at 03:25 pm.

09/27/2007, 01:46 pm	#3
Harald B Egregious Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,448	What's wrong with the season one lighting?? The way Max looked in all the various lights in Reality 2.0 was stunning, especially when he turns his head in closeup when in front of the firewall. I can't imagine cell shading working better. __________________ although we do still have a time machine, so I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility. Forgot what T.H.E.M. stands for? Need the lyrics to the War Song? Visit the Sam & Max wiki!

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09/27/2007, 01:42 pm	#2
Jake Telltale Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,841	I tried pasting the PDF into the rendering engine source code, and it's giving me compile errors. I guess it's not that easy.

09/27/2007, 02:09 pm	#4
xChri5x Marketplace Reality Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: GTA, Ontario Posts: 1,629	A Team Foress Sam & Max mini game would be cool. Each Character can be assigned a different class!

09/27/2007, 02:53 pm	#5
Sir Lemming Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 266	I must say that looks absolutely amazing, way better than usual cel-shading would be for something like Sam & Max. It actually looks sort of SCUMM-ish. But they've already established the look with season 1, and I don't see them changing it any time soon.

09/27/2007, 11:04 pm	#9
taumel Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,654	Give me a nice character (like Sam, no Poppers are accepted!) and i rim shade it for you...

09/28/2007, 12:46 am	#10
Yohmi Papapishu Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Taipei Posts: 317	You just have to do for dependant lightning, and for independant lightning ! It appears so easy, I'm very disappointed by you Jake...

09/28/2007, 02:28 am	#11
tobar Blue Blazer irregular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 694	Wow, that's a GREAT stylized look! Must be a real resource hog what with all of those rendering passes though.

09/28/2007, 07:39 am	#14
abdallah Formula 1 champion Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 160	Yeah even I can produce those visuals - here look Presto. Didn't take me more than a minute either.

10/03/2007, 02:50 pm	#16
tabacco I Feel Fantastic Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Marin County, CA Posts: 2,129	Many of us already play TF2, thank you very much. You're not going to see those graphics in season two, though. It's not even our style, really

10/03/2007, 02:53 pm	#17
Jake Telltale Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,841	Yeah we all play it quite a lot, actually. Doug's got a dedicated server running in the office for LAN matches. Digging around the general forum will even reveal a thread Nick created about it.

10/04/2007, 04:42 pm	#19
abdallah Formula 1 champion Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 160	Absolutely nothing wrong with the graphics so far! This is just a really cool way to render them.

10/05/2007, 12:34 am	#20
Jake Telltale Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,841	We'd like to expand our renderer out to do cooler stuff, and in fact have already made some enhancements on the console side for CSI, like per pixel shading for cleaner environment/specular maps (if you look at the mobile crime lab vehicle on the 360 and then compare it to the PC, the new tech that made it into the 360 version is a noticeable improvement) and generally making things look nicer. We're always improving basically everything ... if you go back and play Out From Boneville then jump into the last few Sam & Max episodes it's obvious that things are always slowly building. One big difference between Telltale and the standard game company, though, is that we don't sequester ourselves in the back of the office for two years writing a new rendering engine for every game we ship -- the updates to the visual side get snuck in slowly either as we need them, or when a programmer has time and is tasked to spend it on that sort of thing in between shipping episodes, or between seasons. There's always progress going on, and we're always discovering new things we can do even within the existing toolset (there are some effects in season two that people will probably be surprised by, and I probably nearly broke the engine doing some of the composing for the opening title sequence), but from a single episode or season to the next, there aren't a stunning amount of leaps forward in every arena. All that said, I think people will be surprised by some of the stuff we'll be churning out over the next year. Probably not Team Fortress 2, but, you know.