Nintendo 3DS

[Secret Fawful]

I don't want a 3DS. At least not for quite a while. Know why? Because I have enough games to last me a lifetime, and while I would love to play the new Kid Icarus and Paper Mario, I can wait. It's not like it's going anywhere.

[JedExodus]

I'm too excited at the prospect of 3D gaming, I may just need to have one come launch day. I slammed a tenner deposit down to keep one on hold.

I really hope the 3D isn't really shit or the games implement it with shit design/no design philosophy

[Friar]

Wait... £250 in the UK (judging by all the prices on the sites now). Wtf? Thats the same price as a PS3! Definately not buying one for a long time, if thats true. Especially given the low battery life and the lack of decent original games. Call me back in a few years nintendo. We can have a nice reunion.

[Gman5852]

Ok now which game should I get.

I have enough money for either one or two depending on if I get Pokemon Black or White.
So which games would you guys get?
Im thinking street fighter.

[DrRocketGenius]

I'm getting Nintendogs, Pilotwings and Street Fighter. Never played a Street Fighter before so it should be fun.

These features will not be available at launch.

- web browser to be made available at a later date
- eShop downloads to come at a later date
- DSiWare transfers
- play/access 3-D movies

The lack of eShop makes me sad, but I can deal with the rest.

[Gman5852]

Originally Posted by DrRocketGenius

The lack of eShop makes me sad, but I can deal with the rest.

I am upset about the 3dshop too.

But I also dislike that the update for file transfers isnt at launch as well.
I have a lot of dsiware games to transfer, and would love to do that when I got the 3ds.

[RetroVortex]

I may get the 3DS when it comes out.
(It'll cost me about 200 quid as I get a store discount (I work at Tescos, and they'll probably have it))

But damn it is expensive over here!

I'll probably get DOA and SSF4 if they are in the UK launch.
Could get Super Monkey Ball to mess with my mind as well...

Launch line-up is a little lacking in the Nintendo department though.

[DrRocketGenius]

Originally Posted by RetroVortex

Launch line-up is a little lacking in the Nintendo department though.

Yes, that it is unfortunately.

[Gman5852]

American sight is up.
http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/hardware
I swear kid beyond is doing the video tour.

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by JedExodus

I really hope the 3D isn't really shit or the games implement it with shit design/no design philosophy

3D has been around for decades and every implementation of it has always been awful and hideous looking. I can't imagine that Nintendo would be the ones to somehow magically get it right.

[JedExodus]

Originally Posted by SHODANFreeman

3D has been around for decades and every implementation of it has always been awful and hideous looking. I can't imagine that Nintendo would be the ones to somehow magically get it right.

I like how you sent me the link to this berating of my opinion over Steam.

3D hasn't been done well in games before.

[figmentPez]

Originally Posted by SHODANFreeman

3D has been around for decades and every implementation of it has always been awful and hideous looking. I can't imagine that Nintendo would be the ones to somehow magically get it right.

Don't you talk about the Viewmaster in that tone! You shall not sully the good name of my childhood!

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by JedExodus

3D hasn't been done well in games before.

Or films, or comic books, or anything, at all, ever.

[JedExodus]

Originally Posted by SHODANFreeman

Or films, or comic books, or anything, at all, ever.

I saw Toy Story 3 in 3D, it was pretty cool.

Also they're all passive mediums, games all have gameplay which can be designed with 3D in mind by clever developers

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by JedExodus

I saw Toy Story 3 in 3D, it was pretty cool.

Also they're all passive mediums, games all have gameplay which can be designed with 3D in mind by clever developers

3D always just looks like a pile of moving colors, it never actually looks real, or even close to it.

The only 3D images that have ever looked even somewhat decent to me are stereoscopic images, and that's simply because the eyes are being separately presented with 2 slightly different images. And even stereoscopic images don't look 100% real, because our eyes are all different and it would be impossible to create something that accurately recreates 3 dimensionality for 100% of people.

[figmentPez]

Originally Posted by SHODANFreeman

3D always just looks like a pile of moving colors, it never actually looks real, or even close to it.

The only 3D images that have ever looked even somewhat decent to me are stereoscopic images, and that's simply because the eyes are being separately presented with 2 slightly different images. And even stereoscopic images don't look 100% real, because our eyes are all different and it would be impossible to create something that accurately recreates 3 dimensionality for 100% of people.

Well, I'm sorry 3D doesn't look good to you, but it does to me. I really enjoy 3D experiences. I keep hoping that 3D equipment for the PC will become standardized, so that I can buy it without being locked-in to nVidia.

[DAISHI]

Originally Posted by figmentPez

Well, I'm sorry 3D doesn't look good to you, but it does to me. I really enjoy 3D experiences. I keep hoping that 3D equipment for the PC will become standardized, so that I can buy it without being locked-in to nVidia.

Yeah some of the stuff in Real 3D is so much better than 3D of a few years ago. Recent movies have really sold it to me, and I used to hate 3D because it would hurt my eyes.

[Laserschwert]

Originally Posted by SHODANFreeman

3D always just looks like a pile of moving colors, it never actually looks real, or even close to it.

The only 3D images that have ever looked even somewhat decent to me are stereoscopic images, and that's simply because the eyes are being separately presented with 2 slightly different images.

But stereoscopic is just what we're talking about when we're talking 3D here. Everything, from polarizing filter glasses to shutter glasses, from lenticular lenses to parallax barrier screens... each of these techniques is used to separate the two images for both eyes. So, which "3D" are you talking about, that are just "a pile of moving colors"?

Anyway, some techs are better than others, of course. For example, I've never been a fan of shutter glasses, as they darken the image too much (especially in a lot of cinemas, where the projections are that bright to begin with), whereas the superior polarizing filter glasses are also lighter and more comfortable to wear. Still I'm extremely curious about the look of 3D on the 3DS' screen.

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by Laserschwert

But stereoscopic is just what we're talking about when we're talking 3D here. Everything, from polarizing filter glasses to shutter glasses, from lenticular lenses to parallax barrier screens... each of these techniques is used to separate the two images for both eyes. So, which "3D" are you talking about, that are just "a pile of moving colors"?

Anyway, some techs are better than others, of course. For example, I've never been a fan of shutter glasses, as they darken the image too much (especially in a lot of cinemas, where the projections are that bright to begin with), whereas the superior polarizing filter glasses are also lighter and more comfortable to wear. Still I'm extremely curious about the look of 3D on the 3DS' screen.

Looking at exactly the same image, but with different colored lenses to half-ass filter out the other side of the image absolutely does not work though, as you can always partially see the other image. I was referring to instances in which your eyes are actually being shown 2 entirely separate images via stereoscopic lenses, rather than a single filtered image.

Not only does it look inherently wrong, and nowhere near true 3D, but the colors are always clashing like mad and just look like a horrendous mess. This is true of every single type of 3D that I have witnessed in my life.

[Laserschwert]

Originally Posted by SHODANFreeman

I was referring to instances in which your eyes are actually being shown 2 entirely separate images via stereoscopic lenses, rather than a single filtered image.

Well, technically both shutter and polarization-filter based projections ARE showing two entirely separate images. In the first cases they're just projected alternately, while the latter one has them projected on top of each other (although newer methods use alternating projection as well, using a rotating polarization filter in front of the lens). And theoretically even the shutter technology should separate them cleanly, IF the glasses would be calibrated better AND their LCDs could become completely opaque. Polarization glasses on the other hand are capable of a perfect split, especially when using circular polarization (in which case tilting the head doesn't result in ghosting). And these projections are the only ones that really convinced me until now. I've seen some lenticular screens a few years ago, and they didn't convince me either, since the lenses reduced the horizontal resolution too much. The 3DS might do better here, as it does have twice the resolution horizontally to compensate for this. We'll see.