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DAISHI · 01/07/2011, 02:04 pm

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Originally Posted by StarEye

What would be the harm? Do people really care about the continuity in the stories anymore? Every Monkey Island since CMI has had a different team (with the exception of a few people), with a different take on the Monkey Island universe. For example, having Guybrush single again, not having to run errands for Elaine or trying to save her from LeChuck. Every Monkey Island game since Ron left has been about saving Elaine (wether it's from a Curse or something else). After Ron left, Monkey Island has been going in circles, much like the Zelda games, or to a much worse degree, Mario. It's the same story told in a different way. The eternal triangle of love and hate. The villain, the hero and the princess. That is why I want to see a reboot, wether it's from MI2 onwards or from the scratch. I don't mind these things in Zelda and Mario, but I don't want this in Monkey Island. I don't want to know what to expect. There's no surprises anymore. Lechuck is good, no just kidding, Lechuck is evil. Surprised. Er, not really.

The storywriters just doesn't have any balls anymore. They rely too much on giving what people expect rather than surprising them. I'd much rather want the latter. For this to happen, I think something drastic has to happen in the next Monkey Island game.

I was fine with the Voodoo Lady turning out to be something more and that's what I'm hoping gets expanded upon in the next game.

I don't want Ron Gilbert's version of MI3 where Elaine and Guybrush are just friends. In fact the whole ending to MI2 was... disappointing. I thoroughly enjoyed CoMI and Tales and don't mind what Telltale set up for their next game. With Gilbert all I could hope for is bad storytelling.

Javi-Wan Kenobi · 01/07/2011, 02:13 pm

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Originally Posted by StarEye

Drastic as in actually have any impact on further games. Irrelevant npc characters doesn't qualify for having any impact whatsover for future games, and nothing in ToMI has even hinted that the next Monkey Island game would stop running in circles. EMI, CMI and ToMI have all had an "everything back to normal" ending. MI1 and 2 did not. I don't want everything to be back to normal.

I didn't feel that ToMI had an "everything back to normal" ending, with the Voodoo Lady being an evil mastermind and everything...

StarEye · 01/07/2011, 03:17 pm

Well, it hasn't had any impact yet. If Elaine for example had died, the impact would be clear. There would be no Elaine in the next episode, and there would be one less re-used plot element in the next game.

Besides, the Voodoo lady thing could just as well be Telltale messing with out minds. We all remember the last time that happened in a Monkey Island game.

DAISHI: bad storytelling? What was wrong with MI1 and 2's storytelling? It was (more or less) HIS story, and Monkey Island was his idea and brainchild, what could possibly go wrong with him having a major part in how the next Monkey Island game would be?

corruptbiggins · 01/07/2011, 06:52 pm

That sounds great and all but when it's a licensed property they can only do so much really. The way I understand it LucasArts have the final say what can or cannot happen in a Monkey Island game because it's their property.

StarEye · 01/08/2011, 01:28 am

I know. I'm just wishing out loud. Not that I want Elaine to die or something, I'd just want that love-triangle plot-element to die out, as it's been done enough already. I don't think LeChuck is particularly fearsome as a love-sick puppy who can't take no for an answer.

I wonder though, if Telltale gets their chance at a second season, where they will take the story from here. But unfortunately, if they don't get a second chance, will we have another game in the series where a plot element is badly explained and then forgotten? Will those who oppose Ron Gilbert getting his hands on Monkey Island again then complaint about how they never got to find out what Telltale's Season 2 would be like?

This could actually be like MI2-CMI all over again. Telltale started something that could potentially become a very big plot-element in the next game, but if they don't get to make it, whoever will could just as well leave us wondering. Again.

FitzoliverJ · 01/08/2011, 02:11 am

I wouldn't be surprised if a hypothetical TOIMI2 did not have LeChuck as the primary antagonist, just on the basis of the difficultly in getting a voice artist.

StarEye · 01/08/2011, 03:25 am

That would make things a little different at least.

Hayden · 01/08/2011, 03:39 am

I actually don't want to see LeChuck until the very end of a seventh Monkey Island game. I love LeChuck as a character, but things will get far too repetitive if he continues to be thrown back into his regular role time and time again. It's time to introduce a new villain.

StarEye · 01/08/2011, 06:46 am

I've always preferred the mystical villain - the kind that you really don't get to meet/see until the very end or at least late in the story. It makes me respect the character more, if you only hear the (exaggerated) stories of his evil doings. Secret of Monkey Island was kinda like that (you got to see cutscenes of him, but you never actually meet him face to face until the very end). MI2 as well, had that kind of feeling.

I think the relationship between Guybrush and Elaine, and LeChuck has become a bit too close. We know LeChuck too well for him to really be threatening. Sure, he's an enemy, but once you know your enemies, they become much less of a threat. LeChuck doesn't have that air of mystery or evilness around him anymore. He's just another bully.

I know it's a children/young adult's book series, but look at Harry Potter how to create a villain that have that air of mystery about him. If not Voldemort in Harry Potter, look at how well Sephiroth or Jenova in Final Fantasy VII is used. Very rare appearence, you only hear rumours and stories of them. The villain needs to have the upper hand 99% of the game for him to feel threatening. He needs to seem out of reach. Yes, even in a point'n'click adventure. It needs to feel like there's one hell of a journey to get to the point where you can stand face to face with the main villain without falling apart from the very sight of him, and even then you should be the underdog.

Rise of the Pirate God was very good in this aspect. Everything felt desperately out of your control, and you really felt doomed. Kudos to Telltale for giving us some of that old no-bullshit LeChuck back.

I'd like to see Largo making a return. Largo is now on a quest to once again ressurect the evil LeChuck, only this time with a spell that let's him control him, so that LeChuck becomes Largo's right hand instead of vice versa. Of course something goes wrong, and LeChuck kills Largo in the end, and the only thing on his mind after that is to kill Guybrush AND Elaine, because he's given up on having her by his side. If LeChuck can't have her, nobody should, so he goes after both Guybrush and Elaine in the final part of the game, where you can switch between the characters to solve the final puzzle that stops LeChuck again.

Well, something like that. I'm just thinking out loud... kinda.

Banned User · 01/24/2011, 10:32 am

Sorry there is a largo embargo on these forums. Please restrain from mentioning him.

doodo! · 01/24/2011, 03:37 pm

Sure, why not? Everyone's entitled to want another game or not, or to enjoy it, or hate it, and TTG if it has the license will be/ is entitled to do what they want.

If they discover it's profitable or not...

blah blah blah...

There is no right or wrong answer here, only a sequence of events that may or may not lead to another game...

dra · 01/30/2011, 08:59 pm

they may make it after their done with the back to the future and Jurassic park games

Griswald Goodsoup · 02/02/2011, 06:35 am

So you want something less repetitive (as in a constant in each game), how about no Monkey Island in a game that's name derives from this central feature.

Nor was there some wacky retcon explaining the absence of Monkey Island.

coolsome · 02/02/2011, 07:57 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griswald Goodsoup

So you want something less repetitive (as in a constant in each game), how about no Monkey Island in a game that's name derives from this central feature.

Nor was there some wacky retcon explaining the absence of Monkey Island.

Princess Zelda wasnt in all the Zelda games either!

*Silverwolfpet* · 02/02/2011, 02:09 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irishmile

I usually do not condone trolling... but I am tempted to suggest we troll the heck out of Lucasarts official forum.... like everyone here starting a new thread all requesting a sequel to ToMI.

You know.... I actually feel this is a good idea! I mean, what's the worst that can happen? They can...uh...BAN us! Oooooh!

Heh, seriously...wanna gather up a team and start charging on their forums? We don't take prisoners and I get all the candy, deal?

The only (serious) rule would be that we actually write a clever thing in our thread. Not just "PLZ TOMI2 LOL!". No, I strongly suggest that, if you guys are up to it, we all write (as much as everyone feels like) the reasons for which we want TOMI2 and why we want TellTale to develop it.

Who's with us?

Hayden · 02/02/2011, 11:03 pm

I'm willing to join in on this sensible invasion.

The Highway · 02/03/2011, 04:29 am

I'm in!

*Silverwolfpet* · 02/03/2011, 06:50 am

Listen to this while you read:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl_rljOB4AE

Gentlemen and Gentleladies!

We have gathered here today to witness our success in convincing the enemy to lend their rights once more for out enjoyment and the financial goodly-ness of TellTale!
*walks around room*

Now I see here plenty of a bright face, waiting for that point and clicking delight to reach their favorite console's screens! Remember, the power is in your hand, my hands, our hands!

Now let's get out there and show them who's the boss!
*you cheer* ...*no really, cheer!*

Brilliant! I have scheduled a surprise attack on February 10th at eleven hundred hours Post Meridiem, GMT+2h! ...in plain english, that means 11:00 PM sharp...when it's 11 PM in Romania...I dunno, calculate your own time zones, I suck at that...

But WE will NOT suck at convincing the enemy to agree with us in the general necessity of a sequel for TOMI2!

As we wait for that fatal day, we shall gather recruits! The more the merrier! Be sure to have The Argumentative Text ready! (that means, think about what you're gonna write... a few general ideas, bla bla, why do you really want the game and how awesome it would be etc).

I have faith in us and may our surprise invasion come with great success and happiness for our children and our children's children! Well, I don't like children... but that's just me.

Now, let me hear your war shout!! AAAAAARGH!!!!

seson3churious · 02/03/2011, 09:13 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverwolfpet

Listen to this while you read:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl_rljOB4AE

Gentlemen and Gentleladies!

We have gathered here today to witness our success in convincing the enemy to lend their rights once more for out enjoyment and the financial goodly-ness of TellTale!
*walks around room*

Now I see here plenty of a bright face, waiting for that point and clicking delight to reach their favorite console's screens! Remember, the power is in your hand, my hands, our hands!

Now let's get out there and show them who's the boss!
*you cheer* ...*no really, cheer!*

Brilliant! I have scheduled a surprise attack on February 10th at eleven hundred hours Post Meridiem, GMT+2h! ...in plain english, that means 11:00 PM sharp...when it's 11 PM in Romania...I dunno, calculate your own time zones, I suck at that...

But WE will NOT suck at convincing the enemy to agree with us in the general necessity of a sequel for TOMI2!

As we wait for that fatal day, we shall gather recruits! The more the merrier! Be sure to have The Argumentative Text ready! (that means, think about what you're gonna write... a few general ideas, bla bla, why do you really want the game and how awesome it would be etc).

I have faith in us and may our surprise invasion come with great success and happiness for our children and our children's children! Well, I don't like children... but that's just me.

Now, let me hear your war shout!! AAAAAARGH!!!!

I'm sooooo IN!!!!
BTW, My war shout was so loud that I woke up my brother...

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!

Oh yeah,I think we should reschedule that to the 16th... so if they announce ToMI 2 we celebrate and get drunk, but if they don't we launch our attack on Lucasarts and convince them that we NEED ToMI

*Silverwolfpet* · 02/03/2011, 10:36 am

Private seson3churious, your words are full of wisdom. So be it, I say! On the 16th we launch our attack!

What say you?!?

01/07/2011, 06:52 pm	#64
corruptbiggins ready player one Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Fintlewoodlewix Posts: 2,194	That sounds great and all but when it's a licensed property they can only do so much really. The way I understand it LucasArts have the final say what can or cannot happen in a Monkey Island game because it's their property. __________________ Currently reading... The Servants of Twilight by Dean Koontz Portfolio / Blog / YouTube "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so."

01/08/2011, 03:39 am	#68
Hayden ...is procrastinating Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3,485	I actually don't want to see LeChuck until the very end of a seventh Monkey Island game. I love LeChuck as a character, but things will get far too repetitive if he continues to be thrown back into his regular role time and time again. It's time to introduce a new villain. __________________ Read that instead ^.

01/08/2011, 06:46 am	#69
StarEye Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 895	I've always preferred the mystical villain - the kind that you really don't get to meet/see until the very end or at least late in the story. It makes me respect the character more, if you only hear the (exaggerated) stories of his evil doings. Secret of Monkey Island was kinda like that (you got to see cutscenes of him, but you never actually meet him face to face until the very end). MI2 as well, had that kind of feeling. I think the relationship between Guybrush and Elaine, and LeChuck has become a bit too close. We know LeChuck too well for him to really be threatening. Sure, he's an enemy, but once you know your enemies, they become much less of a threat. LeChuck doesn't have that air of mystery or evilness around him anymore. He's just another bully. I know it's a children/young adult's book series, but look at Harry Potter how to create a villain that have that air of mystery about him. If not Voldemort in Harry Potter, look at how well Sephiroth or Jenova in Final Fantasy VII is used. Very rare appearence, you only hear rumours and stories of them. The villain needs to have the upper hand 99% of the game for him to feel threatening. He needs to seem out of reach. Yes, even in a point'n'click adventure. It needs to feel like there's one hell of a journey to get to the point where you can stand face to face with the main villain without falling apart from the very sight of him, and even then you should be the underdog. Rise of the Pirate God was very good in this aspect. Everything felt desperately out of your control, and you really felt doomed. Kudos to Telltale for giving us some of that old no-bullshit LeChuck back. I'd like to see Largo making a return. Largo is now on a quest to once again ressurect the evil LeChuck, only this time with a spell that let's him control him, so that LeChuck becomes Largo's right hand instead of vice versa. Of course something goes wrong, and LeChuck kills Largo in the end, and the only thing on his mind after that is to kill Guybrush AND Elaine, because he's given up on having her by his side. If LeChuck can't have her, nobody should, so he goes after both Guybrush and Elaine in the final part of the game, where you can switch between the characters to solve the final puzzle that stops LeChuck again. Well, something like that. I'm just thinking out loud... kinda. Last edited by StarEye; 01/08/2011 at 06:52 am.

02/02/2011, 11:03 pm	#76
Hayden ...is procrastinating Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3,485	I'm willing to join in on this sensible invasion. __________________ Read that instead ^.

02/03/2011, 06:50 am	#78
Silverwolfpet Wolfy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 3,042	Listen to this while you read: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl_rljOB4AE Gentlemen and Gentleladies! We have gathered here today to witness our success in convincing the enemy to lend their rights once more for out enjoyment and the financial goodly-ness of TellTale! walks around room Now I see here plenty of a bright face, waiting for that point and clicking delight to reach their favorite console's screens! Remember, the power is in your hand, my hands, our hands! Now let's get out there and show them who's the boss! you cheer ...no really, cheer! Brilliant! I have scheduled a surprise attack on February 10th at eleven hundred hours Post Meridiem, GMT+2h! ...in plain english, that means 11:00 PM sharp...when it's 11 PM in Romania...I dunno, calculate your own time zones, I suck at that... But WE will NOT suck at convincing the enemy to agree with us in the general necessity of a sequel for TOMI2! As we wait for that fatal day, we shall gather recruits! The more the merrier! Be sure to have The Argumentative Text ready! (that means, think about what you're gonna write... a few general ideas, bla bla, why do you really want the game and how awesome it would be etc). I have faith in us and may our surprise invasion come with great success and happiness for our children and our children's children! Well, I don't like children... but that's just me. Now, let me hear your war shout!! AAAAAARGH!!!! __________________ I am a community moderator, here to assist, keep the peace, and keep these boards clean and friendly for all. I am a volunteer, and not a Telltale employee, and my opinions are my own. Something awesome this way comes... ^.^ www.silverwolfpet.com

01/07/2011, 03:17 pm	#63
StarEye Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 895	Well, it hasn't had any impact yet. If Elaine for example had died, the impact would be clear. There would be no Elaine in the next episode, and there would be one less re-used plot element in the next game. Besides, the Voodoo lady thing could just as well be Telltale messing with out minds. We all remember the last time that happened in a Monkey Island game. DAISHI: bad storytelling? What was wrong with MI1 and 2's storytelling? It was (more or less) HIS story, and Monkey Island was his idea and brainchild, what could possibly go wrong with him having a major part in how the next Monkey Island game would be?

01/08/2011, 01:28 am	#65
StarEye Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 895	I know. I'm just wishing out loud. Not that I want Elaine to die or something, I'd just want that love-triangle plot-element to die out, as it's been done enough already. I don't think LeChuck is particularly fearsome as a love-sick puppy who can't take no for an answer. I wonder though, if Telltale gets their chance at a second season, where they will take the story from here. But unfortunately, if they don't get a second chance, will we have another game in the series where a plot element is badly explained and then forgotten? Will those who oppose Ron Gilbert getting his hands on Monkey Island again then complaint about how they never got to find out what Telltale's Season 2 would be like? This could actually be like MI2-CMI all over again. Telltale started something that could potentially become a very big plot-element in the next game, but if they don't get to make it, whoever will could just as well leave us wondering. Again.

01/08/2011, 02:11 am	#66
FitzoliverJ Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 940	I wouldn't be surprised if a hypothetical TOIMI2 did not have LeChuck as the primary antagonist, just on the basis of the difficultly in getting a voice artist.

01/08/2011, 03:25 am	#67
StarEye Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 895	That would make things a little different at least.

01/24/2011, 10:32 am	#70
Banned User All Hail Sammun-Mak Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: US of A Posts: 107	Sorry there is a largo embargo on these forums. Please restrain from mentioning him.

01/24/2011, 03:37 pm	#71
doodo! Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,268	Sure, why not? Everyone's entitled to want another game or not, or to enjoy it, or hate it, and TTG if it has the license will be/ is entitled to do what they want. If they discover it's profitable or not... blah blah blah... There is no right or wrong answer here, only a sequence of events that may or may not lead to another game...

01/30/2011, 08:59 pm	#72
dra Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 12	they may make it after their done with the back to the future and Jurassic park games

02/02/2011, 06:35 am	#73
Griswald Goodsoup Read the poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 99	So you want something less repetitive (as in a constant in each game), how about no Monkey Island in a game that's name derives from this central feature. Nor was there some wacky retcon explaining the absence of Monkey Island.

02/03/2011, 04:29 am	#77
The Highway Resident Voodoo Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Pathetic Perth Telltale Games Level: 3,652 Posts: 3,623	I'm in!

02/03/2011, 10:36 am	#80
Silverwolfpet Wolfy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 3,042	Private seson3churious, your words are full of wisdom. So be it, I say! On the 16th we launch our attack! What say you?!? __________________ I am a community moderator, here to assist, keep the peace, and keep these boards clean and friendly for all. I am a volunteer, and not a Telltale employee, and my opinions are my own. Something awesome this way comes... ^.^ www.silverwolfpet.com

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