Doodo's Musings

[doodo!]

Why when experiencing life dos the brain function with certain brain waves? How does it select those types of waves, what is the process behind this? I heard it's chemical response? In a healthy brain scan, they know what to look for...these waves light up on a scan like Christmas day.

Could a brain function using different waves for different activities than our average human brain selects? Are these waves truly ideal, for experiences, for reality, for these activities they are tied to? Must it be that way?

Is the brain ultimately a receptor for the layers of reality that it filters? How accurate is it, is it all entirely objective? Is it the only form of experience, reading these layers? Is it true observation, do we make a true, indisputable connection to reality?

Do these waves make a true connection to "reality" are their similar receiving waves outside of our human bodies? What is the universe made up of? Are we connected? Is it a issue of dimension?...??
Do our bodies, minds, brains, make waves that are actually on the same level as the objective plains of reality, existence?


These brain waves, are only from a impartially working, developed brain. The true brain power, the true evolution, creation of brain isn't truly present.Ultimately, we may not be connected to a truer, more comprehensive form of reality.

Originally Posted by YA response

Brain "waves" are a name given to phenomena that are observed when measuring the brain via electroencephalographs and similar technology. The overall rise and fall of electrical potentials in localized areas. Because they're easily observed, they are useful in correlating brain states and brain function. But you shouldn't confuse them with how the brain works.

Similarly, an experienced mechanic could use the sound an engine makes to diagnose how it is operating. But we wouldn't ascribe the sound waves with any sort of utility to the engine. You could say that brain waves are indications of an overall pattern of activity within the brain.

The activity pattern is driven primarily through neural activity. That activity is signalling by discharge of an electrichemical potential in the neurons and by neurotransmitters. The activity at this scale is much faster and more fine-grained than simple chemical responses. But hormones and other chemicals do produce system-wide changes in activity as well.

So I might read your question as "could a brain function using different overall patterns for activities than our average human brain does". My opinion is yes and no.

Yes, it's entirely conceivable that a brain could exist that uses radically different techniques to process and use information that our brains do. In such a sense, the brain waves would be very different.

But at the same time, such a brain is not going to pop into existence in a human. Just like all the engines that Ford puts in cars work just about the same way, all human brains appear to have certain overall processing techniques that are very conservative (even if we don't understand the details of how the processing works).

[Scnew]

..... totally.

[GeorgeC]

dude, pass some more o' that weed

[DAISHI]

Humans actually go through several stages of brain wave activity from childhood to adulthood. Adulthood is 'optimal' because it allows best perception in a physical world.

Brain waves have nothing to do with hypothetical superstrings outside of the fact that under that theory, brain matter is composed of superstrings as is all matter.

Altering brain wave activity may put you into a coma. The issue of human perception of the surrounding universe goes beyond something as simple as brain waves.

[doodo!]

Originally Posted by DAISHI

Altering brain wave activity may put you into a coma. The issue of human perception of the surrounding universe goes beyond something as simple as brain waves.

I'd agree, then why are humans so sure what exists and doesn't exist? Such, as oh, i don't know, spirits.

I agree, and yet we can't separate things from the validating process of existence while existing to decide whether or not things exist outside of our selves. We need first hand experience, we need academic principals. Hell, we need to say what red, blue, green is...

consider trying to not create patterns where patterns were not set up by design. stucco wall texture or a field of flowers for example

your brain is wired to view reality according to specific constructs. numbers, patterns, groups and pairs.

tangentially you have a limited scope of sensations. this limits your possible understanding of the objective reality

Just another response I got else where.

[DAISHI]

Insanity results from unlimited sensory input. Your brain doesn't posses the computational capability of inputting every single sensation.

I think most people believe in spirits or a spirit to varying degree throughout the world.

That said I think it's easy to postulate a distinct dimension of non corporeal, non linear, non terminating entities if we inhabit a universe populated by the opposite.

[doodo!]

Originally Posted by DAISHI

Insanity results from unlimited sensory input. Your brain doesn't posses the computational capability of inputting every single sensation.

I think most people believe in spirits or a spirit to varying degree throughout the world.

That said I think it's easy to postulate a distinct dimension of non corporeal, non linear, non terminating entities if we inhabit a universe populated by the opposite.

I completely agree with you.

And I think spirits only exist in a varying degree in "this version of reality". So, I agree with what you say.

[Origami]

I'll have some of whatever he's having!

[doodo!]

Originally Posted by Origami

I'll have some of whatever he's having!

Oh, quit being so sally...

Harry funny, harry funny...

[Giant Tope]

I personally believe that it's easy for people to come to the conclusion that spirits exist just because they don't have any other explanations for certain happenings of the world. However, just because you can't conceive any other explanation, does not mean there is a supernatural cause.

Until there is proof that something is caused by supernatural forces (or anything else for that matter), there's no reason to believe it. It's best to just admit that you don't know rather than fill it in with the hope of something magical doing it, I think. The universe is already amazing as is without magic.

[Origami]

I can't confirm whether spirits exist or not, I can only confirm that 98% of the people that claim to see them are charlatans.

[DAISHI]

Originally Posted by Giant Tope

I personally believe that it's easy for people to come to the conclusion that spirits exist just because they don't have any other explanations for certain happenings of the world. However, just because you can't conceive any other explanation, does not mean there is a supernatural cause.

Until there is proof that something is caused by supernatural forces (or anything else for that matter), there's no reason to believe it. It's best to just admit that you don't know rather than fill it in with the hope of something magical doing it, I think. The universe is already amazing as is without magic.

Supernatural presumes that the occurrence is unnatural, above nature, aberrant of nature or magical. Sherlock Holmes once said that from a drop of water a man can deduce the existence of an ocean. From the existence of life, I do not believe there is anything supernatural or magical about deducing superior life. Some may deem this supernatural, but I believe it to simply be a deduction. Technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic, as the old saying goes.

[doodo!]

Originally Posted by DAISHI

Supernatural presumes that the occurrence is unnatural, above nature, aberrant of nature or magical. Sherlock Holmes once said that from a drop of water a man can deduce the existence of an ocean. From the existence of life, I do not believe there is anything supernatural or magical about deducing superior life. Some may deem this supernatural, but I believe it to simply be a deduction. Technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic, as the old saying goes.

Hats off to you! What a post. He says what I mean to say, only says it well.

Thanks for sharing everyone.

Originally Posted by Origami

I can't confirm whether spirits exist or not, I can only confirm that 98% of the people that claim to see them are charlatans.

I can not deny or confirm this either. But, even if there is two percent, that is enough to be valid up against the 98. Unless you're pleading insanity.

[JedExodus]

Originally Posted by DAISHI

Sherlock Holmes once said that from a drop of water a man can deduce the existence of an ocean. From the existence of life, I do not believe there is anything supernatural or magical about deducing superior life. Some may deem this supernatural, but I believe it to simply be a deduction. Technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic, as the old saying goes.

Sherlock Holmes however, was fictional

[RetroVortex]

You know, sometimes I think that we ourselves are but figments of a pre-existing reality, (much like we can see the light of a star long gone), that is lead on a certain sequence of occurences, (like destiny or an echo), but has been distorted slightly, which has lead to much of our existence being impossible to explain, (like a key factor is missing).

Damn! I need to lay off the Tiger blood! XD

(EDIT: so yeah, we are the demons!)

[doodo!]

Ghosts don't exist. Existence is a dimensional term. Everything within these dimensions we observe is only partial, we have a limited, even if vast knowledge of these things. Our existence is only what we can put into words, academics...

Spirits if existent are on a further removed plain of existence than are most things that "exist". Like wise, the supposed existence of spirits, is that only a few of us with the abilities to see such things can even see spirits. Spirits and mediums for example.

Which brings into this the topic, really, essentially, this is a good example, perhaps. Where as it's not magic, if people like these mediums can really communicate with ghosts its probably in that brain of theirs, that we only use very little of, the lot of us...We don't use lots of our brain.

After all facts come from some sort of experience, or first hand observation, other wise you have theories.

The mind/ brain doesn't fully experience anything, we are limited. Most of us, all of us But, some of us have gifts.

Ghosts DONT EXIST. That doesn't mean that I don't believe in them and it doesn't mean that i don't believe there is a life after death.

The shocking stories of ghosts are usually evident when physical objects in this reality are moved, thrown across rooms, etc etc, to a non gifted...That's one of the few ways to get a non gifted to truly believe. It's consider a phenomenon when this happens...

I've seen and heard spirits when in a deeply sedated state, but still aware, likely experiencing a unique set of brain waves. Of course as you are fully once again aware as human, you can make excuses, explain things away. You can explain things, functioning as before, as a complete human being, brain waves and all. Where as near death/ out of body experiences are often the same and mysteriously sound like ghost experiences...

So I believe in ghosts, I believe that they exist, but they don't exist

[Giant Tope]

Originally Posted by DAISHI

Sherlock Holmes once said that from a drop of water a man can deduce the existence of an ocean.

First off, quoting a fictional character in a discussion about logic and possibilities is kind of tacky. Second off, the quote's wrong. Here's the actual quote.

"From a drop of water a logician could infer the possibility of an Atlantic or a Niagara without having seen or heard of one or the other."

This does not mean that a drop of water is proof of the Atlantic. It means that water does in fact exist. From there you could make a hypothesis that larger bodies do exist, but until you actually prove that it exists, you're left with only the drop of water.

And even then, this analogy doesn't even work, because you have no proof of the supernatural other than the act of not knowing how something happened.

Originally Posted by DAISHI

From the existence of life, I do not believe there is anything supernatural or magical about deducing superior life. Some may deem this supernatural, but I believe it to simply be a deduction.

Might I ask why you would even come to this line of reasoning?

Originally Posted by DAISHI

Technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic, as the old saying goes.

This quote basically says that the supernatural doesn't exist. You do realize this, right?

[doodo!]

I don't think he ever said he was a hard core believer, to be fair. He's a skeptic.

[DAISHI]

Originally Posted by Giant Tope

First off, quoting a fictional character in a discussion about logic and possibilities is kind of tacky. Second off, the quote's wrong. Here's the actual quote.



This does not mean that a drop of water is proof of the Atlantic. It means that water does in fact exist. From there you could make a hypothesis that larger bodies do exist, but until you actually prove that it exists, you're left with only the drop of water.

And even then, this analogy doesn't even work, because you have no proof of the supernatural other than the act of not knowing how something happened.



Might I ask why you would even come to this line of reasoning?



This quote basically says that the supernatural doesn't exist. You do realize this, right?

I don't believe in the supernatural.

Or more to say, I don't believe postulating alternative or higher forms of life necessitates the supernatural.

[doodo!]

Agreed.

I always enjoy bringing up out of body experiences/ near death experiences in these threads. Why? Because some times these people are literally dead on the table and get revived.

I believe that these stories could reveal alot about what comes after death. The problem is that charlatans and religious fanatics take these stories and use them in order to try to convince you of something...

I truly, deeply believe, that there is evidence of the paranormal, real evidence. It's just that people have taken years and years to discredit it. With egos, creed, lust, all those imperfect human thoughts and feelings.

I honestly think that science, real science, has very little to do with anything in our lives.

We live in a world of academics, a world of magazines, news, a world of money, profit, commercialism. We're all just part of a economy, government, culture. We live in a world of secrets, reputations, businesses.

Don't think they're aren't agendas. Science ultimately doesn't make the agendas. Technology is a whole other animal of it's own, health is the same.

What do all those technologies which the military has used for 10 years before you even see them, have to do with your reality?

The reason we don't have several answers to reality, is not because they're unknown. It would scare most of you into a rabid panic to know the truths. It's because we aren't deserving and it's because our civilization is ordinary, natural, and not extraordinary and at that level.

We are greedy, selfish, twisted. And so we respond to greedy profits, businesses, agendas. Above all of this is a whole other civilization that our ordinary lives will never be witness.

We'd then have expectations for those above us, those around us. This new knowledge, this new POWER. We'd abuse it like a child with fire. We're cavemen, we're primitive creatures stumbling out of the night.

Their is a reality far above your limited dimensions, thoughts, your petty thoughts. It pays better to keep such huge secrets than it does to let them all out into the world. And, in the long run, by our greatest minds, it's understood that it's better kept away from the average human being.