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MusicallyInspired · 03/25/2011, 08:57 am

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Originally Posted by SHODANFreeman

If you stayed underwater for 10 minutes in the first Monkey Island, the game would become unwinnable, too.

Wasn't there also a dead end where you could waste all your pieces of eight on the Grog machine or something?

icedan · 03/25/2011, 09:57 am

Programming wise, I'd imagine the easiest method would be to have a switchable auto-save feature. Saving the game manually comes as default, so no extra programming needed there. All we need really is an option for those who don't like dying and loading a save from 10 minutes ago.

The auto-save feature will enable the game to save when you do something that kills you and puts you back right before you made that deadly action. Unfortunately, this method would probably not work under timed events or falling.

Although I like how LucasArts handled deaths in Monkey Island, it's just not fitting for Kings Quest.

Lastly, Space Quest 3 Deaths ftw

Scnew · 03/25/2011, 12:43 pm

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Originally Posted by icedan

Although I like how LucasArts handled deaths in Monkey Island, it's just not fitting for Kings Quest.

Err, handled deaths by not having them? (10 minute one doesn't count)

SHODANFreeman · 03/25/2011, 02:09 pm

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Originally Posted by MusicallyInspired

Wasn't there also a dead end where you could waste all your pieces of eight no the Grog machine or something?

I think so, and I think there was also one where you could burn all of your items on the ship and be unable to light the cannon.

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Originally Posted by Scnew

Err, handled deaths by not having them? (10 minute one doesn't count)

He dies in MI2, also, and it cuts back to him and Elaine with a "wait that's not how it happened" moment.

thesporkman · 03/25/2011, 03:57 pm

So... so far this poll shows that 20 people are pro-choice and 12 are pro-life.

Yeah, I went there. Sorry.

Mr. Freeze · 03/25/2011, 09:49 pm

I voted other. I think it should be A, with an unskippable warning at the beginning of the game that informs you that there may be surprise deaths and that you should save frequently.

icedan · 03/25/2011, 10:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Scnew

Err, handled deaths by not having them? (10 minute one doesn't count)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENeRZEnn2Fc

enjoy

Brainiac · 03/27/2011, 02:51 pm

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Originally Posted by MusicallyInspired

Wasn't there also a dead end where you could waste all your pieces of eight on the Grog machine or something?

I dead-ended on the ship once myself (I hadn't gotten the map in Chapter One and wound up with nothing to turn into a flaming mass).

*GuruGuru214* · 03/27/2011, 06:17 pm

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Originally Posted by Lambonius

The Indy games, too. Zak McKracken also had its fair share of dead ends.

Both of them? I thought only The Last Crusade had dead ends. I thought every game starting with Loom was impossible to make unwinnable.

Lambonius · 03/27/2011, 06:44 pm

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Both of them? I thought only The Last Crusade had dead ends. I thought every game starting with Loom was impossible to make unwinnable.

No no, I was saying that in the Indy games, you could DIE. I wasn't talking about putting the game in an unwinnable state.

Zak McKracken was the only Lucasfilm game that I can think of that really had bad dead ends in it. I'm actually pretty sure there are no true dead ends in Last Crusade. The original Maniac Mansion may have had some dead ends in it, too, but I can't really remember.

*GuruGuru214* · 03/27/2011, 06:51 pm

I don't know, I'd consider it pretty damn impossible to win a game when you're dead.

Lambonius · 03/27/2011, 08:15 pm

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I don't know, I'd consider it pretty damn impossible to win a game when you're dead.

Well you could definitely die in Fate of Atlantis. You could be shot, killed in fights, fall prey to booby traps, eaten by a giant octopus, fall into a pool of lava, etc.

StarEye · 03/27/2011, 11:37 pm

I like how the thread title emphasises that we're talking about "in-game" deaths. I'd like to know how a game could handle any other kind of deaths.

Chyron8472 · 03/28/2011, 06:22 am

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

I dead-ended on the ship once myself (I hadn't gotten the map in Chapter One and wound up with nothing to turn into a flaming mass).

Nothing? you can turn Stan's card(s) or the cereal box top or various other things into a flaming mass. You don't need the map for that.

Lambonius · 03/28/2011, 07:11 am

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Nothing? you can turn Stan's card(s) or the cereal box top or various other things into a flaming mass. You don't need the map for that.

Yeah, I always used the feather pen from the captain's quarters.

SHODANFreeman · 03/28/2011, 12:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Nothing? you can turn Stan's card(s) or the cereal box top or various other things into a flaming mass. You don't need the map for that.

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Originally Posted by Lambonius

Yeah, I always used the feather pen from the captain's quarters.

You can put all of those into the cooking pot.

MusicallyInspired · 03/28/2011, 02:03 pm

IIRC, in the first releases of Monkey Island you could only use one or two objects to create the flaming mass.

antoniomsg · 03/28/2011, 02:23 pm

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Originally Posted by icedan

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENeRZEnn2Fc

enjoy

But that's a spoof of the deaths in the Sierra games.

SHODANFreeman · 03/28/2011, 02:33 pm

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Originally Posted by MusicallyInspired

IIRC, in the first releases of Monkey Island you could only use one or two objects to create the flaming mass.

I think one of the ways this was (partially) fixed was that you eventually get an infinite stack of Stan's business cards, since he gives you one every time you leave, but if you know what you're doing, you never get enough business cards for the infinite stack to happen.

Brainiac · 03/28/2011, 05:13 pm

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You can put all of those into the cooking pot.

And that's why it can be a dead end. It's possible to put everything that you can turning into the flaming mass into the cooking pot before finally setting off the spell and thus being trapped just off the coast of Monkey Island. I'm pretty certain it's doable in any version of the game since I did it in the Monkey Madness CD edition (I never tested for it in the Special Edition, but I'd bet it's still possible there as well).

Now that I've said that you are correct and thus confirmed your superiority, SHODANFreeman, may I please be given a free pass for when you finally snap and kill us all? Between your handle and your avatar, I seriously fear for my life.

View Poll Results: How should TTG's King's Quest handle deaths?
"Restore/Restart/Quit" popup + only manual save	10	12.05%
"Try Again" popup + autosave set right before encountering unavoidable death (a la KQ7)	29	34.94%
"Restore/Restart/Quit" popup + less frequent autosaving (eg. after completing a puzzle)	9	10.84%
Be given a choice between A, B or C at start of play (to vary difficulty)	33	39.76%
Other (please specify)	2	2.41%
Voters: 83. You may not vote on this poll

03/25/2011, 09:57 am	#42
icedan The Dagger under the Rock Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 52	Programming wise, I'd imagine the easiest method would be to have a switchable auto-save feature. Saving the game manually comes as default, so no extra programming needed there. All we need really is an option for those who don't like dying and loading a save from 10 minutes ago. The auto-save feature will enable the game to save when you do something that kills you and puts you back right before you made that deadly action. Unfortunately, this method would probably not work under timed events or falling. Although I like how LucasArts handled deaths in Monkey Island, it's just not fitting for Kings Quest. Lastly, Space Quest 3 Deaths ftw Last edited by icedan; 03/25/2011 at 10:00 am.

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03/25/2011, 03:57 pm	#45
thesporkman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 952	So... so far this poll shows that 20 people are pro-choice and 12 are pro-life. Yeah, I went there. Sorry.

03/25/2011, 09:49 pm	#46
Mr. Freeze Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 24	I voted other. I think it should be A, with an unskippable warning at the beginning of the game that informs you that there may be surprise deaths and that you should save frequently.

03/27/2011, 06:51 pm	#51
GuruGuru214 Crazy Windmill Mod Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Kakariko Windmill Windmill Status: Going Around Posts: 6,357	I don't know, I'd consider it pretty damn impossible to win a game when you're dead.

03/27/2011, 11:37 pm	#53
StarEye Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 895	I like how the thread title emphasises that we're talking about "in-game" deaths. I'd like to know how a game could handle any other kind of deaths.