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DAISHI · 04/25/2011, 10:16 pm

The forums discussing this game are almost an alien world to me. It seems vast amounts of people don't get the tone of Cave Johnson or the miracle 50s/60s when the future seemed like this impossible future full of amazing creations fueled by technology and the atom bomb. It makes me realize why so many people don't like The Venture Brothers, whose first two seasons are especially constructed on that shtick. If you don't get it you don't get Johnny Quest either, and that kills me.

One person even didn't get the joke where Cave says "Say Goodnight Caroline" and she replies "Goodnight Caroline". He said it implied she was talking to a computer version of herself.

That's a classic reference people!

ShaggE · 04/26/2011, 03:29 am

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Originally Posted by DAISHI

One person even didn't get the joke where Cave says "Say Goodnight Caroline" and she replies "Goodnight Caroline". He said it implied she was talking to a computer version of herself.

DAISHI · 04/26/2011, 03:30 am

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Originally Posted by ShaggE

Bwa hah! From one of the best of the new episodes!

Hayden · 04/26/2011, 05:39 am

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Originally Posted by DAISHI

One person even didn't get the joke where Cave says "Say Goodnight Caroline" and she replies "Goodnight Caroline". He said it implied she was talking to a computer version of herself.

Can you please... direct me to this post? I must see it with my own eyes to believe it.

der_ketzer · 04/26/2011, 06:19 am

who ever tagged "want you gone is better" must be out of his or her mind.

Qualcosa · 04/26/2011, 06:31 am

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Actually, I found the puzzles in the second one to be much more challenging than in the first. I pretty much cruised through the first game without having to seriously stop and think very often (and usually that only happened as a result of me not realizing something stupidly obvious). Whereas, in the second game, there were numerous times where I found myself stuck and clueless, and having to spend extended periods of time staring at the screen thinking "what on earth do I have to do here?"

But it seems that everyone is finding the second game easier, which I've found strange, since I've found it to be the opposite way around. I think most players are finding the second game easier because they played the first game quite a while back, and are now used to all of the mechanics, and are accustomed to using portals properly. Whereas I only played the first game (for the first time) about 5 days before playing the sequel. I didn't have the experience with the game's mechanics as most other players did, since I was still relatively new to them (and I had a few more gameplay elements to learn on top of that).

So I actually think that the puzzles were more difficult in the second game, but weren't as challenging to all you 'Portal' veterans because you were all used to the mechanics (and have been for some time).

It's always fun when someone has a total opposite feeling of the same thing, heh! Nice analysis, I actually see you guys as the smart ones. Why? Portal 1 was more the embodiment of "think with Portals", I mean you had to think and take in consideration so many things that sometimes the solutions only arrived to you if you had an open mind and great imagination. Portal 2 solutions were a more linear thinking, I imagine you guys go oblivious on the linear thinking and you try a more "think with portals" solution and loose time for that reason! XD Hope I explained well enough, my english is failing me heh.

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I agree, I thought that everything Cave Johnson said was pure gold

. And I take my hat off to whoever was voicing him, because that guy did a top job.

I agree with you, I never pre-order videogames but after watching the Cave Johnson's Aperture Science spots I did it, he has this amazing comedy delivery... unbelievable. By the way he's J.K. Simmons! You might remember him from the Spiderman movies, he did JJJ. (hah! I just realized I pulled out a Troy McClure moment XD) When Cave Johnson was offering money to hobos for testing I was waiting for a "I'LL GIVE YOU CASH DOLLARS IF YOU GET ME A PICTURE OF SPIDERMAN!!" but it never came...

Ah, I forgot to mention the music. Every bit was perfection and I can't wait for an OST release. Hopefully they will include an extended version of "Reconstructing Science", which is around only in low quality from the E3rip and it's a real shame. I also enjoyed a lot "Exile Vilify" by 'The National', listened to it like 3-4 times ingame before moving to the next puzzle haha.

DAISHI · 04/26/2011, 10:34 am

I didn't find the quote itself but did find somebody responding with equal disgust as me.
*****

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Two lines from Portal 2 resonate with me. After the first series of tests with the repulsion gel, Cave says "Say goodbye, Caroline," and she says "Goodbye Caroline." This line makes me wonder if Caroline is some sort of Artificial Intelligence, even back in the 1950s or 1960s, depending on when you think these recordings had to be made. At a few points in the game, Caroline has remarks which don't seem incredibly intelligent, and I think could be attributed to a primitive AI.

Oh jeeze.. It's an old JOKE sir. A very old joke. It was used commonly by the likes of George Burns and many others. You may just be too young to have seen it used often. It was an extremely common joke on Rowan and Martin's Laugh In, which happened to be popular in the same time in history as the height of Cave's power and success.

Hell I think I even saw it on Seinfeld once.

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A bit later, at the starting of the testing for the propulsion gel, is a pre-recorded Caroline responds to Cave, and GLaDoS spontaneously has a similar response. This strengthens my belief that Caroline was a basis for the construction of GLaDoS, but is not GLaDoS in all of her entirety. Coupled with my earlier explanation, this makes me believe that Caroline was never an acutal person, but just a simple AI, which was used to construct GLaDoS later.

Wow, again.. the point of this was to identify for you, the player, that GLaDOS is Caroline, by the fact that GLaDOS was uncontrollably joining in the response to Cave, the way she would have when she was alive. It was like some kind of pscyhological trigger.. she was hearing Cave and herself, and it caused her to join in and repeat the line. Shortly after she starts saying how she thinks there is something very wrong with her. This is all about her having a sort of spiritual or intellectually AWAKENING to her PAST self.

As someone else said, there are also portraits Cave and Caroline in the facility, which also trigger GLaDOS to comment about the woman.. because IT'S HER AND SHE IS FIGURING THAT OUT.

I don't know why some of you have to overcomplicate it so much.

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From a massive speculation thread on the Steam forums.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...850363&page=53

Bunnyman · 04/26/2011, 11:37 am

The steam forums can be very ....unique... sometimes.

I enjoyed the game too much, I wish I still had more to do in it. I've done the both single player, co-op, commentary, and all achievements. And yet I need ....MORE! I even went and played the first again which made me realize even more so how much of an improvement the second game is. I think Want You Gone may not be as loved by the masses because it doesn't have that dark revenge theme like Still Alive, but I'm enjoying Want You Gone more than Still Alive right now.

Did any one else see this article about how Valve doesn't want to make any more single player games? I'm really kinda bothered by this. I'm wanting more games like Half-Life and Portal. While I enjoyed Left 4 Dead (2) I really would have liked a single player campaign mode.

DAISHI · 04/26/2011, 11:50 am

If so, I'm done with Valve. I don't do multiplayer.

Scnew · 04/26/2011, 12:00 pm

Articles like that always need to be taken with a grain of salt. I would take that to mean that games will include always include some form of multiplayer, such as Portal 2's co-op, not that there will no longer be single player at all. It's hard to play through Portal 2's single player campaign and feel like they didn't really want to do it. :P

JedExodus · 04/26/2011, 12:27 pm

The article it came from was by Geoff Keighley who's tight with the guys at Valve, it's very very in depth and if you have an iPad it's worth your two bucks (I don't so I grabbed a dodgy PDF version of it, if it comes to a device I actually own i'll happily pay the money as I felt it was worth it)

But yeah, he must've had a sound basis for it I guess, though such news makes me sad. Games are generally "me" time, I wanna take my time and absorb the atmosphere and go at my own pace, not be hurried along by a friend who moves at a faster pace than myself.

Maybe all their games will have an in-depth but optional co-op component or something, but I hate to see the death of the singleplayer game, especially by the folks who do it the best in my opinion

der_ketzer · 04/26/2011, 12:45 pm

Well if sigle player dies I am no longer interested i gaming. I never liked multiplayer games. The one I did like got worse and worse since hats were introduced until it reached a point where I deleted it and swore to never ever ever touch that darn thing ever again. EVER.

I like the co-operative multiplayer campaign in P2 though. That's an okay idea and I like the fact that it is different from the single player campaign.

DAISHI · 04/26/2011, 01:00 pm

Yeah like I've made pretty clear on these forums, I like single player games where I can get into the story and out in a relatively brief time. Multiplayer is usually a long term marriage to people I don't necessarily like.

JedExodus · 04/26/2011, 01:39 pm

Some food for thought for those who have cleared Portal 2, i'd picked up on the recurring theme of birds and Prometheus, but this image goes a little further.

Spoilers, do not click etc etc

Harald B · 04/26/2011, 02:19 pm

Fascinating. The P-body and Wheatly connections feel like a bit much though. Also, I think it starts to break down when you wonder who Zeus would be in this analogy. Nobody really fits. But great finds regardless.

Bunnyman · 04/26/2011, 05:31 pm

Tartaros makes a good name for a pit. But how do we know that's Aeschylus in the painting? I think the Atlas/P-Body ideas are a bit stretched. Wheatley is just a common character type.

Remolay · 04/26/2011, 06:20 pm

The prospect of this taking place in my home state is now starting to freak me out. It's a good thing it's fiction.

DAISHI · 04/26/2011, 06:24 pm

Is it?

Falanca · 04/27/2011, 06:12 pm

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Originally Posted by tmsmyth4

Who took up Wheatly's offer and walked into the masher?

Done. No achievements though. Poo.

Finished single player campaign just now. It was more enjoyable than, say, Batman Arkham Asylum, GOTY of 2009. I won't be spewing quotes since all the ones that I like (or, remember, since I like all the lines) have been posted anyway. I agree with one of the earlier comments though, some levels were completely lineer; especially the two transition segments between the tests in... Chapter 4? 5? Iunno, ones in the remainings of the old Aperture Science Innovations, with Cave Johnson's voice and all. Rest of the levels were creative and were really satisfying to solve.

I'd love to see other, developed personality modules too; not just Wheatley, but he was entertaining nevertheless. Although, his personality got a little tiresome in long run. Still, I had sympathy for the character and turning HIM evil was just, uh, evil. Of story writers.

QUOTE: Wolpaw recounted that "Never really had a boss monster offer me a sincere apology for all the trouble that he’s caused me".
If only the final battle was actually difficult enough for me to deserve it, but I'll take the cake.

Still Alive is still the better song btw.

*GuruGuru214* · 04/28/2011, 10:12 am

Looks like I just might be getting this game soon after all.

04/25/2011, 10:16 pm	#201
DAISHI TELLTALE STEALTH NINJA Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,005	The forums discussing this game are almost an alien world to me. It seems vast amounts of people don't get the tone of Cave Johnson or the miracle 50s/60s when the future seemed like this impossible future full of amazing creations fueled by technology and the atom bomb. It makes me realize why so many people don't like The Venture Brothers, whose first two seasons are especially constructed on that shtick. If you don't get it you don't get Johnny Quest either, and that kills me. One person even didn't get the joke where Cave says "Say Goodnight Caroline" and she replies "Goodnight Caroline". He said it implied she was talking to a computer version of herself. That's a classic reference people! __________________ "Hah! It's like we don't even have feelings. Now pardon me while I recline in my huge executive chair and guffaw, cigar in-hand. " "ill just go with what Winslow always when something that funny about a location in monkey island is said" Last edited by DAISHI; 04/25/2011 at 10:34 pm.

04/26/2011, 10:34 am	#207
DAISHI TELLTALE STEALTH NINJA Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,005	I didn't find the quote itself but did find somebody responding with equal disgust as me. *** Quote: Originally Posted by woolysockofdoom View Post Two lines from Portal 2 resonate with me. After the first series of tests with the repulsion gel, Cave says "Say goodbye, Caroline," and she says "Goodbye Caroline." This line makes me wonder if Caroline is some sort of Artificial Intelligence, even back in the 1950s or 1960s, depending on when you think these recordings had to be made. At a few points in the game, Caroline has remarks which don't seem incredibly intelligent, and I think could be attributed to a primitive AI. Oh jeeze.. It's an old JOKE sir. A very old joke. It was used commonly by the likes of George Burns and many others. You may just be too young to have seen it used often. It was an extremely common joke on Rowan and Martin's Laugh In, which happened to be popular in the same time in history as the height of Cave's power and success. Hell I think I even saw it on Seinfeld once. Quote: A bit later, at the starting of the testing for the propulsion gel, is a pre-recorded Caroline responds to Cave, and GLaDoS spontaneously has a similar response. This strengthens my belief that Caroline was a basis for the construction of GLaDoS, but is not GLaDoS in all of her entirety. Coupled with my earlier explanation, this makes me believe that Caroline was never an acutal person, but just a simple AI, which was used to construct GLaDoS later. Wow, again.. the point of this was to identify for you, the player, that GLaDOS is Caroline, by the fact that GLaDOS was uncontrollably joining in the response to Cave, the way she would have when she was alive. It was like some kind of pscyhological trigger.. she was hearing Cave and herself, and it caused her to join in and repeat the line. Shortly after she starts saying how she thinks there is something very wrong with her. This is all about her having a sort of spiritual or intellectually AWAKENING to her PAST self. As someone else said, there are also portraits Cave and Caroline in the facility, which also trigger GLaDOS to comment about the woman.. because IT'S HER AND SHE IS FIGURING THAT OUT. I don't know why some of you have to overcomplicate it so much. *** From a massive speculation thread on the Steam forums. http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...850363&page=53 __________________ "Hah! It's like we don't even have feelings. Now pardon me while I recline in my huge executive chair and guffaw, cigar in-hand. " "ill just go with what Winslow always when something that funny about a location in monkey island is said"

04/26/2011, 11:50 am	#209
DAISHI TELLTALE STEALTH NINJA Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,005	If so, I'm done with Valve. I don't do multiplayer. __________________ "Hah! It's like we don't even have feelings. Now pardon me while I recline in my huge executive chair and guffaw, cigar in-hand. " "ill just go with what Winslow always when something that funny about a location in monkey island is said"

04/26/2011, 01:00 pm	#213
DAISHI TELLTALE STEALTH NINJA Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,005	Yeah like I've made pretty clear on these forums, I like single player games where I can get into the story and out in a relatively brief time. Multiplayer is usually a long term marriage to people I don't necessarily like. __________________ "Hah! It's like we don't even have feelings. Now pardon me while I recline in my huge executive chair and guffaw, cigar in-hand. " "ill just go with what Winslow always when something that funny about a location in monkey island is said"

04/26/2011, 02:19 pm	#215
Harald B Egregious Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,448	Fascinating. The P-body and Wheatly connections feel like a bit much though. Also, I think it starts to break down when you wonder who Zeus would be in this analogy. Nobody really fits. But great finds regardless. __________________ although we do still have a time machine, so I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility. Forgot what T.H.E.M. stands for? Need the lyrics to the War Song? Visit the Sam & Max wiki!

04/26/2011, 11:37 am	#208
Bunnyman Friend of Rabbitdog Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: United States Posts: 213	The steam forums can be very ....unique... sometimes. I enjoyed the game too much, I wish I still had more to do in it. I've done the both single player, co-op, commentary, and all achievements. And yet I need ....MORE! I even went and played the first again which made me realize even more so how much of an improvement the second game is. I think Want You Gone may not be as loved by the masses because it doesn't have that dark revenge theme like Still Alive, but I'm enjoying Want You Gone more than Still Alive right now. Did any one else see this article about how Valve doesn't want to make any more single player games? I'm really kinda bothered by this. I'm wanting more games like Half-Life and Portal. While I enjoyed Left 4 Dead (2) I really would have liked a single player campaign mode.

04/26/2011, 12:00 pm	#210
Scnew Fighter of the Night Man Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 954	Articles like that always need to be taken with a grain of salt. I would take that to mean that games will include always include some form of multiplayer, such as Portal 2's co-op, not that there will no longer be single player at all. It's hard to play through Portal 2's single player campaign and feel like they didn't really want to do it. :P

04/26/2011, 12:27 pm	#211
JedExodus Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,485	The article it came from was by Geoff Keighley who's tight with the guys at Valve, it's very very in depth and if you have an iPad it's worth your two bucks (I don't so I grabbed a dodgy PDF version of it, if it comes to a device I actually own i'll happily pay the money as I felt it was worth it) But yeah, he must've had a sound basis for it I guess, though such news makes me sad. Games are generally "me" time, I wanna take my time and absorb the atmosphere and go at my own pace, not be hurried along by a friend who moves at a faster pace than myself. Maybe all their games will have an in-depth but optional co-op component or something, but I hate to see the death of the singleplayer game, especially by the folks who do it the best in my opinion

04/26/2011, 01:39 pm	#214
JedExodus Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,485	Some food for thought for those who have cleared Portal 2, i'd picked up on the recurring theme of birds and Prometheus, but this image goes a little further. Spoilers, do not click etc etc

04/26/2011, 05:31 pm	#216
Bunnyman Friend of Rabbitdog Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: United States Posts: 213	Tartaros makes a good name for a pit. But how do we know that's Aeschylus in the painting? I think the Atlas/P-Body ideas are a bit stretched. Wheatley is just a common character type.

04/26/2011, 06:20 pm	#217
Remolay Does not compute Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Planet Earth(Sol 3) Status: My head asplode Posts: 1,987	The prospect of this taking place in my home state is now starting to freak me out. It's a good thing it's fiction. __________________ It's Gallifreyan, it doesn't translate Crap I do: Homestar WUW Twitter YouTube Fanfiction.net It says Remolay

04/26/2011, 06:24 pm	#218
DAISHI TELLTALE STEALTH NINJA Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,005	Is it? __________________ "Hah! It's like we don't even have feelings. Now pardon me while I recline in my huge executive chair and guffaw, cigar in-hand. " "ill just go with what Winslow always when something that funny about a location in monkey island is said"

04/28/2011, 10:12 am	#220
GuruGuru214 Crazy Windmill Mod Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Kakariko Windmill Windmill Status: Going Around Posts: 6,357	Looks like I just might be getting this game soon after all. __________________ The preceding post was made by a volunteer community moderator, not a Telltale Games employee, and does not reflect the opinions of Telltale Games. Remember, only you can prevent forum fires. Completed series runs: Kingdom Hearts (Timeline Order, Pre-DDD, 10/25/10 - 2/6/11) - Zelda (Release Order, 3/13/11 - 4/6/12) - Metroid (Timeline Order, 4/21/12 - 10/17/12)

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