"Double Visions" REVIEW Thread

[asyncus]

I want to believe this is the episode of "the calm before the storm".
the fifth and last episode, (well its never the last is it) but yeah it will rock!!

[aslan23]

can some1 tell me how to do the puzzle in episode 4 -
to convince edna that the Doc is a hooligan!!!!!!!!

[Sef]

Did anyone took a peak at the statues on the clock tower at the end of episode 4?? Those are Einstein statues, just like the ones in the strange 1986 setting from episode 3. Is this a mistake? Or did Einstein travel to a place where he kicked the dragon's out that should be at the clock tower. Especially in 1931!!!???

Someone??

[farchondo]

Originally Posted by Sef

Did anyone took a peak at the statues on the clock tower at the end of episode 4?? Those are Einstein statues, just like the ones in the strange 1986 setting from episode 3. Is this a mistake? Or did Einstein travel to a place where he kicked the dragon's out that should be at the clock tower. Especially in 1931!!!???

Someone??

WOW!!! You are right!!! I completely pass through it without noticing it! I think that´s a mayor mistake!!

[farchondo]

Originally Posted by aslan23

can some1 tell me how to do the puzzle in episode 4 -
to convince edna that the Doc is a hooligan!!!!!!!!

You just have to pass the photo slides on the machine, when the picture of someone who should be good appears you have to get the oppose reaction from Emett throw the stimulation of the various machines and gadgets you have. Example: When edna appears that should have a red lighting, bad reaction, so you pump the bacteria gas. Then you pass the next slide and change the reaction so you get what you want. When you do all of them right you have the perfect card, which is demential not hooligan.

[SuperMeatBoy]

I completed it about an hour ago, in my opinion it was the best episode so far.. most of the puzzles was way too easy but the one in Young Doc's lab was quite tricky. I actually felt bad for Emmett at the expo .
I can't believe that Doc and Marty went seperate ways, and i really wonder how it's going to end

[zelda42293]

Just finished the episode. I didn't think it was THAT bad, but it definetly wasn't up to par with the other episode. It seems that Citizen Brown is getting second thoughts about changing the timeline. Hated to see the episode end. We don't have a month for episode 5!

[farchondo]

Originally Posted by SuperMeatBoy

I completed it about an hour ago, in my opinion it was the best episode so far.. most of the puzzles was way too easy but the one in Young Doc's lab was quite tricky. I actually felt bad for Emmett at the expo .
I can't believe that Doc and Marty went seperate ways, and i really wonder how it's going to end

True! that´s the best part of this episode, which I think was great in the human relationships of the characters! who would have thought that Doc and Marty could go separate ways! that it´s a never before for the BTTF storyline... that little dark twist gets me worry and interested for the next chapter. Great choices Telltale is making in the storyline department.

[Rogue303]

Originally Posted by Sef

Did anyone took a peak at the statues on the clock tower at the end of episode 4?? Those are Einstein statues, just like the ones in the strange 1986 setting from episode 3. Is this a mistake? Or did Einstein travel to a place where he kicked the dragon's out that should be at the clock tower. Especially in 1931!!!???

Someone??

I'm pretty sure that was Young Emmit's idea... Either that or Marty's. Remember how Edna was trying to raise money to put something up there?

It's been a while since I played the other three games... (like a week. lol)

[EricP]

Originally Posted by Sef

Did anyone took a peak at the statues on the clock tower at the end of episode 4?? Those are Einstein statues, just like the ones in the strange 1986 setting from episode 3. Is this a mistake? Or did Einstein travel to a place where he kicked the dragon's out that should be at the clock tower. Especially in 1931!!!???

Someone??

Einstein's adventures back in episode 2 had some unintended consequences.

[farchondo]

Originally Posted by EricP

Einstein's adventures back in episode 2 had some unintended consequences.

Well... I don´t think so. Sounds a little far fetched. Especially since Edna hates Einstein so much, the Einstein statues won´t have to appear so early in the time line. For young Emmet or Edna to change the statues in the courthouse they should have so much more power in politics and in episode 4 they are just aiming for the science contest in the school.

The only person with power to change those statues could be Emmet´s father and... well, after what is happening to his son with science... why will he???

The episode 4 is great but those Einstein statues at the courthouse should´t exist. I even think they got lazy and didn´t create new graphic design for the scene.

[Datadog]

Once again, I seem at odds with a majority of reviews in here. Because I thought this was the best episode of the bunch so far.

The Pros:
-Probably has the most and best puzzles of the series so far. While most of them weren't difficult, I at least didn't solve any by accident. Much like in any good TT game, I would often have to stop and plan out a solution which is a lot more fulfilling.

-The pacing between the story and puzzles is much better. It still follows the "3 puzzles" formula, but takes better care to drop parts of the story in between the puzzle solving so that the game doesn't feel like one big interactive cut-scene ala "Citizen Brown."

-The story. Holy heck, the story. This is what I was waiting for. The episode where Telltale takes BTTF in completely new and unexpected directions. And what new directions do we have here? We have: Marty and Doc escaping from a government facility, Marty trying to split people up instead of get them together, and the Doc himself being set up as the villain. This is the one true chapter that completely separates itself from the movies.

-On top of that, this story actually makes me feel really bad about changing the time-stream. All these people I'm hurting... I feel for Arty, I feel for Emmett, I feel for Trixie, I feel for Doc, I feel for even Edna. This is a very involving chapter! After all these years as an adventure gamer, I'm finally playing an adventure game where I'm feeling the consequences for my mischief.

The Cons:

-Biggest gripe is, once again - it does feel like half an episode. But that's the BTTF games for you.

-I like the idea behind the slide-show puzzle, but it seems like a puzzle where there should be more strategy than just "keep electrocuting Doc and stinking up the place until the light changes." It would more interesting if Marty had to perform specific actions to counteract the effects of things around the lab.

-The Delorean puzzle is also an awesome idea, but it seems off to solve the same puzzle twice in the same way (and the second time involving me leaving the scene and coming back.)

Otherwise, out of all the BTTF games, this one is my favorite so far.

[EricP]

Originally Posted by farchondo

Well... I don´t think so. Sounds a little far fetched. Especially since Edna hates Einstein so much, the Einstein statues won´t have to appear so early in the time line. For young Emmet or Edna to change the statues in the courthouse they should have so much more power in politics and in episode 4 they are just aiming for the science contest in the school.

The only person with power to change those statues could be Emmet´s father and... well, after what is happening to his son with science... why will he???

The episode 4 is great but those Einstein statues at the courthouse should´t exist. I even think they got lazy and didn´t create new graphic design for the scene.

It was pretty subtle, but we intentionally set that up in episode 2. One of Edna's projects then was raising funds to add some statuary to the clock tower. I don't remember now if there's even a line for it, it might just be printed on a pamphlet or something. Anyways, seeing Einstein up on the roof inspired her to choose him as the model instead of the jaguars or whatever that we know from the original timeline. As for why she would choose something she hates, have you ever seen the gargoyles on a cathedral? They're all demons and monsters, which I doubt were the sculptors' favorite creatures.

By all means feel free to question our reasoning, but at least rest assured that it was completely intentional in episodes 3 and 4.

[asyncus]

Originally Posted by Datadog

Once again, I seem at odds with a majority of reviews in here. Because I thought this was the best episode of the bunch so far.

The Pros:
-Probably has the most and best puzzles of the series so far. While most of them weren't difficult, I at least didn't solve any by accident. Much like in any good TT game, I would often have to stop and plan out a solution which is a lot more fulfilling.

-The pacing between the story and puzzles is much better. It still follows the "3 puzzles" formula, but takes better care to drop parts of the story in between the puzzle solving so that the game doesn't feel like one big interactive cut-scene ala "Citizen Brown."

-The story. Holy heck, the story. This is what I was waiting for. The episode where Telltale takes BTTF in completely new and unexpected directions. And what new directions do we have here? We have: Marty and Doc escaping from a government facility, Marty trying to split people up instead of get them together, and the Doc himself being set up as the villain. This is the one true chapter that completely separates itself from the movies.

-On top of that, this story actually makes me feel really bad about changing the time-stream. All these people I'm hurting... I feel for Arty, I feel for Emmett, I feel for Trixie, I feel for Doc, I feel for even Edna. This is a very involving chapter! After all these years as an adventure gamer, I'm finally playing an adventure game where I'm feeling the consequences for my mischief.

The Cons:

-Biggest gripe is, once again - it does feel like half an episode. But that's the BTTF games for you.

-I like the idea behind the slide-show puzzle, but it seems like a puzzle where there should be more strategy than just "keep electrocuting Doc and stinking up the place until the light changes." It would more interesting if Marty had to perform specific actions to counteract the effects of things around the lab.

-The Delorean puzzle is also an awesome idea, but it seems off to solve the same puzzle twice in the same way (and the second time involving me leaving the scene and coming back.)

Otherwise, out of all the BTTF games, this one is my favorite so far.

This is my favourite aswell, so we are atleast 2

[PrivateJoker]

Not enough Jennifer. Felt like it could have gone on for longer. I don't understand why Citizen Brown still existed after Doc + Edna's relationship was destroyed.

What I liked a lot: THe Puzzles were fun, probably more well designed than past episodes. Obviously the relationship between Alternate Doc and Marty is only a few days and his relationship with Edna was going on for like 40-50 years. So its interesting to see how the time stream TRULY affected their relationship...the ending seemed really dark though. Hopefully Episode 5 will be a cliffhanger that says: "This was a very successful series, we will be starting another BTTF series later this year!!"

[PrivateJoker]

Originally Posted by EricP

It was pretty subtle, but we intentionally set that up in episode 2. One of Edna's projects then was raising funds to add some statuary to the clock tower. I don't remember now if there's even a line for it, it might just be printed on a pamphlet or something. Anyways, seeing Einstein up on the roof inspired her to choose him as the model instead of the jaguars or whatever that we know from the original timeline. As for why she would choose something she hates, have you ever seen the gargoyles on a cathedral? They're all demons and monsters, which I doubt were the sculptors' favorite creatures.

By all means feel free to question our reasoning, but at least rest assured that it was completely intentional in episodes 3 and 4.

One thing of note that would have been very compelling...is if a few things in 1931 "just didn't seem right" as in, when Citizen Brown was "testing" the time machine, he was actually traveling to specific time periods prior to 1931 to alter history prior to the events that took place in the beginning of the series.

[bobscratch]

Originally Posted by EricP

It was pretty subtle, but we intentionally set that up in episode 2. One of Edna's projects then was raising funds to add some statuary to the clock tower. I don't remember now if there's even a line for it, it might just be printed on a pamphlet or something. Anyways, seeing Einstein up on the roof inspired her to choose him as the model instead of the jaguars or whatever that we know from the original timeline. As for why she would choose something she hates, have you ever seen the gargoyles on a cathedral? They're all demons and monsters, which I doubt were the sculptors' favorite creatures.

By all means feel free to question our reasoning, but at least rest assured that it was completely intentional in episodes 3 and 4.

While I knew the statues were not something as simple as, "game designers being lazy and not creating new graphics", it still seems a little far-fetched. Gargoyles may not be a sculptor's favorite creature, but I doubt most of them had a personal vendetta against them, like Edna did with Einstein. The sculpture's depictions looked like they were honoring Einstein, and the first thought that went through my mind playing episode 3 was "Why do they have dog statues in a place where they outlaw dogs?". They really seemed out of place to me. If the statue's depictions demonized Einstein someway, maybe him snarling with a pose ready to attack, huge teeth/fangs, something that would put dogs in the worst kind of light, I dunno, it would have made a lot more sense. Or maybe in a future version, just replace them with Sam statues instead. (j/k)

[splash1]

I thought it was a lot better then Episode 3 (I thought it stunk). The graphics were a lot greater, the story left me wanting for more by the end and it contained a lot of "cool" artwork.

You know which one I mean >_> <_<...

I also like the tie-in from Episode 3, picked up right where it left off in a really cool sequence filled with coolness. I however like always found the puzzles to easy and the game short, which isn't fun at all. Hopefully by the end Telltale will stop recycling old areas, characters, and make the finale nice and long and hard. But not to hard...
I offically give the game a:

8.5/10.
Better then last which I secretly gave a 5/10.

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Originally Posted by bobscratch

While I knew the statues were not something as simple as, "game designers being lazy and not creating new graphics", it still seems a little far-fetched. Gargoyles may not be a sculptor's favorite creature, but I doubt most of them had a personal vendetta against them, like Edna did with Einstein. The sculpture's depictions looked like they were honoring Einstein, and the first thought that went through my mind playing episode 3 was "Why do they have dog statues in a place where they outlaw dogs?". They really seemed out of place to me. If the statue's depictions demonized Einstein someway, maybe him snarling with a pose ready to attack, huge teeth/fangs, something that would put dogs in the worst kind of light, I dunno, it would have made a lot more sense. Or maybe in a future version, just replace them with Sam statues instead. (j/k)

There's something going on with Einstein. There's more to it that I'm sure we'll find out about in the last episode. We don't know where he went or what he's been doing all that time in 1931. Even young Doc mentions his mysterious disappearance. We don't even know how he got Edna's shoe and jumped back in the Delorean to go back to 1986 in the first place. I'm betting that in the 5th episode we'll go back even further in time, likely to the night of the speakeasy fire, and we'll get explanations for Einstein, the statues, the shoe, and the arson - and maybe cause an event that will keep all of this mess from ever happening.

As for the episode, I admit that after finishing it I sat back and thought "wait, that's it?" But after thinking about it for a few minutes, I really like it. Sure, it's short and mostly set-up for episode five, but that's true of most second-to-last act games, shows, films etc. I love the direction that they took it in.

Even in the films, there were often times when I'd wonder whether the changes that Marty inflicted on the timeline were always for the best. When you think about it, he's actually been really selfish. Sure, he's done things that improved his own life but he never stopped to think that he might be making someone else's future worse at the same time (like Biff's, or someone even less deserving). To have a character actually realize this and call him out on it - and to have that character be a version of Doc, of all people - is really, really cool. Citizen Brown actually has a point and you can't blame him for being unable or unwilling to see Marty's side of it. This series seems intent on really pushing the relationship between Marty and Doc, and that's really the essence of BttF right there. I can't wait to see how it plays out.

[Trackah123]

Just finished this episode too. And well uhhm it was good by itself.
But the endpart was indeed a bit dark. Tho i liked the fact it was similar to the original BTTF1 movie.

I cant really decide or tell right now if i like this storyline so far, i guess it depends whether the storyline of the final outtatime episode will be good or not.