Suggestions to improve JP graphic

[Bloody Eugene]

I edited some picture to suggest TT some improvements about this game:


And (to balance) some good shots of the game :

[Dr.Dino]

What they have showed on E3 is an early build. It is identified as such in the footage.

[Bloody Eugene]

I know it is an early build, but read this quote from Mark Darin:

Originally Posted by MarkDarin

Just to briefly touch on the subject, the delay is less about graphics and more about quality of gameplay for all versions of the game.

And, btw, better address some potential improvement while we're still in time!

[MasCot]

Yes and these are not huge things they have to fix, but they would greatly improve the quality.

[Asian Inferno]

Love when these things are brought up!

[CaptnDan]

"I'm so bored with realistic graphics. I can go outside and see realistic graphics. I want something that really excites my imagination." -RG

I would much rather TT concentrated (as they seem to be) on improving the actual gameplay than wasting time correcting minor graphic flaws.

They could spend a fortune improving the graphics to Crysis 2 type levels, and it'll still look dated in a couple of years.

It's the gameplay that'll bring me back again and again for years to come...

[waroftheworlds01]

I'm also more worried about gameplay and how smooth a games runs than graphics. And right now I think the graphics are fine and that focus need to be on gameplay, and making sure there's no glitches, pop-ins, lag and stuff like that.

[usfgeek1]

Seriously in need of a topic like this, i completely agree with everything in the first post. I could point out countless flaws like this in BTTF too.

What bothers me is that these problems arent even hard to fix (I'm a freelance 3D artist) so i know exactly what goes into modeling texturing and lighting. They are just simply overlooked and thrown to the side in the hope that no one notices... or perhaps just as probable, they just dont know what they're doing to begin with!

Seriously, i've seen mods for games that are more impressive than this whole game looks already, it's laughable.

Also, saying "Telltale games are about story not graphics! BLAH BLAH BLAH" This is not an excuse, in this day and age this type of quality is not acceptable.

A story probably takes about 1 to 2 months to write and finalize... What are they doing with the rest of their time? Certainly with this huge pushback they've had on the game, theres no excuse to have it looking as bad in the screens above.

There's 2 reasons i believe it got pushed back, Universal saw the final product they were going to release in April, and said no way, go back and work on it some more.

Or again Universal saw the product and didnt think it would do well on its own and decided to coinside the release of the game with the JP Blu ray, much like BTTF.

Their reason for the pushback, was just to save face.

[Bloody Eugene]

I think one of the biggest problem in Telltale Engine is that (IMHO) they lack distance LOD. Little objects (like the egg) are always a small bunch of polys. Yeah, having 2 models for some object - one for near and one for distant - is more demanding for 3d artists, but the result would be nicer.

[Alstom1995]

There's 2 reasons i believe it got pushed back, Universal saw the final product they were going to release in April, and said no way, go back and work on it some more.

Or again Universal saw the product and didnt think it would do well on its own and decided to coinside the release of the game with the JP Blu ray, much like BTTF.

Or another reason is the fact the game has been rushed, personally I don't want to see a rushed game!

As for the graphics?! I am so sick and tired of people like you, graphics graphics graphics, it's why video games are getting so boring! I for one am glad that telltale actually cares about a storyline and not just how it looks! Graphics are important but i'd rather enjoy playing a GAME and not a piece of art! Just because something looks good it doesn't mean it's a good game, PS1 games are blocky nowadays in comparison to a lot of bland modern games, but at least a lot of them actually have a fun factor, and interesting gameplay!

I could point out countless flaws like this in BTTF too.

What the fact it isn't a fps, the fact it concentrates more on a storyline, and the fact it isn't a gta copy? Yeah shame isn't it

[Asian Inferno]

Originally Posted by Alstom1995

Or another reason is the fact the game has been rushed, personally I don't want to see a rushed game!

How has it been rushed? It's actually been delayed twice now having been originally slated for Fall 2010, now it's been delayed a year and I would be hesitant to say that much has changed. A little tweaks here and there, some slightly better visuals, etc.

For the most part it's been complete since April, as it's been stated before it's all about getting things ready and translatable from PC/Mac to 360/PS3 ports ensuring everyone will get the same experiences.

[Alstom1995]

I didn't say it had been rushed, I said it might of been rushed at least that's what I was implying.

[usfgeek1]

Originally Posted by Alstom1995

As for the graphics?! I am so sick and tired of people like you, graphics graphics graphics, it's why video games are getting so boring!

The reason why graphics are an essential part of any modern day game, is because they are there to immerse you, the better they are, the better they do that. However in this case, with the bad graphical examples above, players notice this and DETRACTS from the experience, sure the story may be fantastic (Doubtful) but if i see something that doesnt look right on screen, it's going to take the person playing OUT of the story altogether.

Do you understand how this can affect the game experience?

PS1 games are blocky nowadays in comparison to a lot of bland modern games, but at least a lot them actually have a fun factor, and interesting gameplay!

Yes, PS1 games nowadays can be still fun, but for me I know they're gonna look blocky because of the technical limitations there were back then and i understand that and look past such things.

Nowadays, there are obviously many more possibilities available to developers, and to have JP looking as a game being made in 2011 is just not fair. I see it as a plain-as-day cop out, with people basically not doing their jobs right.

What the fact it isn't a fps, the fact it concentrates more on a storyline, and the fact it isn't a gta copy? Yeah shame isn't it

This has nothing to do with anything, you assume because i expect decent graphics from a game I dont care about story. Therefore you ended up at the assumption that i must play mindless games like GTA. Nice one.

And i don't know why people mindlessly praise Telltale as being somesort of Master-race of writers. They're simply not that good, mediocre at best. BTTF-TG was an awful story, all around, confusing comedy with stupidity.

Personally, i'd be happy if Telltale left both of my most beloved franchises alone to begin with.

[Alstom1995]

The reason why graphics are an essential part of any modern day game, is because they are there to immerse you, the better they are, the better they do that. However in this case, with the bad graphical examples above, players notice this and DETRACTS from the experience, sure the story may be fantastic (Doubtful) but if i see something that doesnt look right on screen, it's going to take the person playing OUT of the story altogether.

Do you understand how this can affect the game experience?

Yeah I do understand, I understand that certain dipsticks like you watch a game and point out minor things like hey did you see that, the character doesn't have a shadow under that tree, I totally can't play the rest of this game now! You aren't happy unless it's an absolute perfect quality picture yawn.
Who cares if the design is a fucking year old, that's nothing! When graphics get to the point that it looks as real as the scenery you see outside in the real world, then to me it's no longer a game and just art!

Back in the days of the PS1 we never cared about the graphics and it was always more about the gameplay. Well that's where modern gaming for me has gone wrong. Suddenly it's important that when we're standing in the sea the water is crystal clear, yawn if I want to do that i'll go and stand in the sea in the real world!

This has nothing to do with anything, you assume because i expect decent graphics from a game I dont care about story. Therefore you ended up at the assumption that i must play mindless games like GTA. Nice one.

Nah not just GTA4 but I was being sarcastic. I just used GTA4 as an example what with it being graphically brilliant and visually immersive, not to mention downright boring!

And i don't know why people mindlessly praise Telltale as being somesort of Master-race of writers. They're simply not that good, mediocre at best. BTTF-TG was an awful story, all around, confusing comedy with stupidity.

Some of us actually enjoyed Bttf, and I haven't actually said that Telltale are a master race, I leave that to the chinese

Personally, i'd be happy if Telltale left both of my most beloved franchises alone to begin with.

Yeah I mean TT are already previewing the JP game with 2011 graphics so that's a serious violation

[usfgeek1]

I just spent a good 45 minutes writing a detailed, well though out response to what you had to say.

But of course, something went wrong and i lost it all. But i digress.

I'll be replying in noteform instead now.

Originally Posted by Alstom1995

Yeah I do understand, I understand that certain dipsticks like you watch a game and point out minor things like hey did you see that, the character doesn't have a shadow under that tree, I totally can't play the rest of this game now! You aren't happy unless it's an absolute perfect quality picture yawn.

Grow up. Name calling not needed.
I don't.
Graphical bugs when displayed for long amounts of time on screen, distract from the game.
Devs obviously see these, decide to to nothing about it.
Nothing is perfect.
I expect effort to be put into any game i decide to buy.
Graphics are a huge factor in game reviews too.
TT need to realise they cant get by on story alone.
The real world has caught up with them.
They need to step up their game to survive.

Who cares if the design is a fucking year old, that's nothing! When graphics get to the point that it looks as real as the scenery you see outside in the real world, then to me it's no longer a game and just art!

What's wrong with games looking as good as they can?
Nothing. That's what.

Back in the days of the PS1 we never cared about the graphics and it was always more about the gameplay. Well that's where modern gaming for me has gone wrong. Suddenly it's important that when we're standing in the sea the water is crystal clear, yawn if I want to do that i'll go and stand in the sea in the real world!

Don't lie. Of course people did.
Graphics back then were just as important as they are now, in reviews etc.
Crossing technical boundries in computers and consoles, achieving artistic goals, Immersing the player in more immersive, believable environments. Negative thing according to you.

Nah not just GTA4 but I was being sarcastic. I just used GTA4 as an example what with it being graphically brilliant and visually immersive, not to mention downright boring!

'Graphically brilliant', 'Visually immersive.'
Using these two phrases to describe a game contradicts your argument.

[Icedhope]

If this can't be discussed in a civil way, I'll close this thread faster than the doors of Ingen.

[FPug]

All I have to say is, I don't care a lot about the graphics, I never really noticed anything wrong to be honest(Mostly because I'm uneducated on this kinda thing...) I noticed that awful looking egg shell. I do think if Telltale wants this product sold, they should pull out all the stops on this game because aside from us everybody else is looking for a game that has beautiful up to date graphics. If it's financially feasable I think you should fix every graphic flaw. I love JP and I expect that this is going to be an excellent story, I know it will. TT ARE great writers and story tellers.

BTTF was spot on, they had everything they needed for the story and I did notice that the graphics weren't amazing, but I understood that they didn't HAVE to be simply because of the art form you chose to make it in. I played Strong Bad on my PS3 and it was AWESOME and I thought the graphics were great with that. But once again they couldn't make him photo realistic LOL.

All in all I do think these things should be fixed so that critics and Youtubers alike don't have anything to rag on TellTale about. As for me, I'm fine with the way things are...except that egg shell...it just annoys me.

[JPFan]

The graphics are very important and the video shows many errors, bad dinosaur movement and facial movement horrible but have said is a BETA DEMO under development, although not perfectly finished with which I hope the final product is best.

The story of Dilo seemed very interesting and disturbing. Many people criticize the game because it's just pressing buttons occasionally while watching an animated movie as they say.

However it seems to me very interesting, it is true it could be otherwise but more importantly this game is to tell an interesting story and I think it's a good way as it is doing TT.

Anyone know if it will include subtitles in Spanish of Spain?

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[Shadowknight1]

Originally Posted by FPug

All I have to say is, I don't care a lot about the graphics, I never really noticed anything wrong to be honest(Mostly because I'm uneducated on this kinda thing...) I noticed that awful looking egg shell. I do think if Telltale wants this product sold, they should pull out all the stops on this game because aside from us everybody else is looking for a game that has beautiful up to date graphics. If it's financially feasable I think you should fix every graphic flaw. I love JP and I expect that this is going to be an excellent story, I know it will. TT ARE great writers and story tellers.

You mean they should...spare no expense?

*waits for the groans*

[FPug]

Originally Posted by Shadowknight1

You mean they should...spare no expense?

*waits for the groans*

I couldn't have put it better myself.