About the end...

[WareKurt]

I don't see why 'Carl Sagan' LP Doc should be erased, just because his alternate self arrives. I think your confusing the TP Marty-LP Marty issue with this.

I am not saying it should be, but it is possible. Because past stays the same but when they travel to a time where CS is around, it becomes present then so maybe time ripple effect kicks in and erases the now non-existing LP Doc, even though he is scheduled to be erased later.

[Marty Mcfly III]

But that would create a massive paradox.

[WareKurt]

But that would create a massive paradox.

Why? As long as you leave past as it is when you created a totally different self, there shouldn't be any problem. He would just get erased if you travel to that interval.

Anyway, that post was just an addition. What do you guys think of my #17 post here;
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/...6&postcount=17

Things I mentioned in that illogical?

[sn939]

Originally Posted by WareKurt

Why? As long as you leave past as it is when you created a totally different self, there shouldn't be any problem. He would just get erased if you travel to that interval.

Anyway, that post was just an addition. What do you guys think of my #17 post here;
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/...6&postcount=17

Things I mentioned in that illogical?

Okay, say for instance, in BTTF2, for some reason, Doc doesn't decide to take 'our' Marty (whether he's the TP or LP version at this point is your guess), but instead for some reason decides to take the Marty of 1985-A, back to 1955 to fix things. Marty-A hates his life and wants to be the one to snuff out Evil Biff's existence (and his own sad life)...so he and Doc go back to November 12th...and...

Are you suggesting that TP Marty would just vanish the instant Marty-A arrives in 1955?

I really don't see why that would happen...

The 2 Doc's would actually come from different points in the space-time continuum (not only time wise, but as in, from different timelines)...no reason why they can't both co-exist briefly...until LP Doc has to leave of course.

[Marty Mcfly III]

Plus if LP doc did disappear completely from the scene then he would never be to get arrested, so Marty would never come back to 1931 and so he wouldn't create the FCB timeline thus creating a paradox.

[WareKurt]

Are you suggesting that TP Marty would just vanish the instant Marty-A arrives in 1955?

Such thing never happened, so can we know for sure? I still think it might be. Don't forget there's another idea that time travelers don't get affected. In such case it would be Marty-A who is the time traveler. So it is possible in a way.

Plus if LP doc did disappear completely from the scene then he would never be to get arrested, so Marty would never come back to 1931 and so he wouldn't create the FCB timeline thus creating a paradox.

Paradoxes don't always work like what we think. Since FCB is created who never built a time machine, both Marty's reason and ticket for coming back exist no more, yet there's no paradox.

[VeryTori]

I get confused, but I like reading this!

[sn939]

Originally Posted by WareKurt

Such thing never happened, so can we know for sure? I still think it might be. Don't forget there's another idea that time travelers don't get affected. In such case it would be Marty-A who is the time traveler. So it is possible in a way.

Yeah, but I still don't get why that would happen. Marty-A and TP Marty (or more to the point, in this case) LP Doc and FCB Doc are seperate entities, who have arrived from different timelines at different points in time. LP Doc is now an alternate version of Doc from a now erased future...FCB Doc IS the Doc of what is the 'current' future...if you want to nitpick, you can argue that their chronological ages differ as well, so they're not technically from the same time period (FCB Doc would be around 70; while LP Doc would be closer to 80, though he looks much younger because of the rejunevation treatment).

Remember, LP Doc is very much a part of the past of the FCB timeline (much like LP Old Biff is a part of the 1985-A timeline). That's why he appears in that picture which FCB Doc still has with him in 1986. A lot of people feel its a major goof-why hasn't LP Doc disappeared from the photo, since he no longer exists? But the truth is, that when people prevent their existence, they are erased from any pictures they have brought from the future timeline they originate from, because it has been replaced by a new timeline. However, since their existence in the past, as time traveller's from a future erased timeline, is preserved, any pictures taken in the PAST of them, would continue to retain them...as the picture was taken during the time they existed in the past as 'echoes' of an erased timeline. Case in point, suppose TP Marty had faded from existence in BTTF1? He would have faded from the photo of his family undoubtedly...however, if, say, Doc, had taken a picture of him in 1955, he wouldn't have faded from that picture...because his existence in 1985 has been erased...his brief history in 1955 hasn't been because its a part of the new timeline he's created.

[Marty Mcfly III]

Originally Posted by WareKurt

Paradoxes don't always work like what we think. Since FCB is created who never built a time machine, both Marty's reason and ticket for coming back exist no more, yet there's no paradox.

You realize that's probably just the writers getting it wrong. The writers don't really take into account the paradoxes that are caused when their writing the plot lines because then nothing would be able to happen. The story line wouldn't be as interesting if they took into account all the paradoxes that are caused simply because a paradox is caused whenever you go back in time to prevent something from happening (and succeed)

Although if you take into account the echo theory a lot paradoxes are resolved such as the example you gave above.

[Shadowknight1]

I still say that the reason that the DeLorean didn't completely vanish was because it was a temporal duplicate and no longer subject to the same rules as the original.

[Marty Mcfly III]

Originally Posted by Shadowknight1

I still say that the reason that the DeLorean didn't completely vanish was because it was a temporal duplicate and no longer subject to the same rules as the original.

But the Deloreon that did vanish was a temporal duplicate too and that one vanished.

[sn939]

Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly III

But the Deloreon that did vanish was a temporal duplicate too and that one vanished.

Truth be told, the trilogy was never really consistent about alternate timelines, and how long should it take for someone/something to get erased, and which VERSION should get erased...which I suppose is excusable because it was never planned as a trilogy in the first place...

In the first film, things were comparitively simpler and sort off consistent...Marty prevents his parent's first meeting and so creates what should logically progress into an alternate timeline where he and his siblings are never born...however because he is in the past, and from his POV, the 'critical' event that will determine his future existence (i.e. George and Lorraine's kiss on the dance floor) is in the future (which is not 'written') there is still a possibility that he will exist, so he doesn't fade out instantly...but each moment he draws closer to the 'critical event' the probability of his and his siblings existence decreases (represented by the fading photograph), and if on November 12th, he is unable to get George and Lorraine to kiss, his existence becomes impossible (its probability is 0) and he is erased. It made sense, within the convoluted movie logic at least.

But with BTTF2, the two Bobs went with a far more complex time travel plot, and decided to go beyond the mere possibility of an alternate timeline which was just threatened in the first film, to actually HAVING an alternate timeline where Marty and Doc's history as they know it has been screwed over badly...now, by the logic of BTTF1, Marty and Doc should have faded from existence right there in 2015 along with Old Biff...their existence in their present form was impossible, because it was impossible in this timeline for both of them to even be present in 2015 (as the time machine wasn't invented) and they were way past the 'critical event' (whatever it was) which would have determined their fates...however, in order for there to be a plot, ti was decided that the timeline transformed around them and they were immune to the ripple effect by virtue of being outside their own time. However, when they return to 1985, they're in their own time, and by that logic, they should be erased...but they're not, so we're led to assume that the ripple effect doesn't catch up with them. So Marty and Doc spend something like 5-6 hours in a timeline they are not supposed to exist it, WAY past the so-called 'critical events' that determined their fate...okay, even if we claim that they shouldn't have faded because they're alive in this timeline, then why are the 'normal 1985' versions of them still around? Shouldn't they have faded/transformed into their 1985-A counterparts? If you assume there were no doubles in 1985-A, why did the 1985-A versions get erased, if they belonged to this timeline, as opposed to the normal 1985 versions who didn't belong? If you assume there were doubles, again, why should the anomalies from a previous timeline remain? And forget about Marty and Doc, why hasn't the DELOREAN faded because it most certainly has prevented its own existence? This is where the disconnect between how the ripple effect is depicted in BTTF1 and in BTTF2 comes about.

And the Game takes this even further...normal timeline Doc fades from existence as soon as he returns to his own time (i.e. 1986) because he is now past the 'critical event' (i.e. going to watch Frankenstien) that determined his fate and is no longer immune to the ripple effect. As per the logic of BTTF2, Doc should have been able to exist for a while, alongside normal Marty, in the FCB timeline, alongside the Citizen Brown version. Instead, he disappears and is 'replaced' by FCB Doc. By that logic, Marty too should have disappeared and been replaced by his FCB counterpart. Instead, he exists alongside his FCB counterpart and at no point seems to be in danger of fading from existance...why should the ripple effect work differently for Marty and Doc?

So really, from BTTF2 onwards, the space-time continuum has been increasingly chaotic with regards to shifting timelines and erasures...with the ripple effect working differently in different scenarios.

[Shadowknight1]

Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly III

But the Deloreon that did vanish was a temporal duplicate too and that one vanished.

It vanished because it was temporally synced up with Doc's DeLorean.

[Spengler56]

Originally Posted by sn939

Truth be told, the trilogy was never really consistent about alternate timelines, and how long should it take for someone/something to get erased, and which VERSION should get erased...which I suppose is excusable because it was never planned as a trilogy in the first place...

This. And I don't think the physics of the BTTF trilogy and game are consistent at all. You can poke holes in any explanation.

They clearly had the future Marty's show up just for the hell of it.

[church1138]

I had a crazy thought on the 18 hour drive from Florida to Texas (traveled backwards 1 hour in time, it's like "time travel!") about why Marty didn't faint/why the universe didn't explode when he came into contact with the other 3 Martys from the future (the ones MJF played.)



Bear with me guys.....what if none of those guys were actually Marty?

When Jennifer met herself in 2015, she fainted. When Doc interacted with himself in 1955, he freaked out and made no direct contact with himself, i.e., no eye contact like Jennifer, ect.

When the 3 Martys were yelling and bickering at the end of BTTF:TG, the first Marty definitely got a good look at "present day" Marty, and they definitely were in contact with each other and conversing...thus...maybe they weren't Marty, but 3 other villains who got a hold of time travelling DeLoreans and went back in time to try to....erase some future McFlys and Browns from existence?

I dunno, it's a fun notion to entertain, and probably so far off the mark, more likely than not it's just a nod to the original film with a Telltale twist but....I've seen others trying to decipher it too. Thought I'd throw my .02 in there. XD

[Michael J Fox is Canadian]

To be shocked it involves the element of surprise. In the 1955 Doc encounter you speak of, the older doc is not worried about his present self but rather his younger self whom would probably have a huge shock as he is well aware he will eventually invent time travel and does know what he'll look like as an old man and thus likely would likely realize he is seeing himself and being shocked.

Jennifer is in the future and thus realizes she is seeing herself.

Biff has no problem with his other self because old biff is specifically looking for his younger self while young biff has no clue he is seeing his older self.

I'm thinking by this point marty is completely prepared for if not expecting visits from the future especially since he saw the delorean.

[Irishmile]

Yeah I think the martys are all just familiar with time travel.

[mirroman478]

This is a funny ending but now Telltale has to resolve this in the next game.

[mirroman478]

Sorry but the idea of Kid and Edna getting togther seems extremely unlikely



1.Edna burned down Kid's Speakesy and tried to burn down another one of his
2. Edna hates alcohol enough to burn down its establishments, why would she get together with someone who makes them?
3. Kid tried to kill Edna, why would she want to get married to him?

think of anymore reasons?

[Irishmile]

It would make Biff a relative to Principal Strickland.