Star Wars Blu-Ray....MORE CHANGES

[supmandude85]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

It's not an effect, it's a flaw in the update. It's persistent throughout.



Also, would you call Jedi Rocks; Hayden as a force ghost; and Greedo shooting first simple graphical updates? No.

I'm pretty sure the blue tint was intentional. Also, the force ghost and Greedo shooting first were basically graphical updates, because it doesn't effect the story. Just like how Mario went from 8 bit to 16 bit.

[doodo!]

Hayden replacing the other actor is something I personally don't agree with. Out of all and any edits that is the hardest for me to settle with.

[LuigiHann]

The problem with Greedo shooting first is that it doesn't make any sense for him to miss at that range. Han had to shoot first because if Greedo shot first he would have shot Han right in the face.

They should just go all out and replace Greedo with a CGI version that acts visibly drunk. That'll make it believable.

Though now that I think about it, if Greedo really is such a terrible shot, then it's pretty mean of Han to shoot him at all. He should have just smacked him down.

[Chyron8472]

Originally Posted by supmandude85

I'm pretty sure the blue tint was intentional. Also, the force ghost and Greedo shooting first were basically graphical updates, because it doesn't effect the story. Just like how Mario went from 8 bit to 16 bit.

You must not know the definition of graphical because arbitrarily changing the fact that Han Solo is a scoundrel does change the story as it affects the character's development.

If the blue tint is intentional, it is stupid. Adywan says it was not there before the 2004 DVD.

[Scnew]

Originally Posted by supmandude85

I'm pretty sure the blue tint was intentional. Also, the force ghost and Greedo shooting first were basically graphical updates, because it doesn't effect the story. Just like how Mario went from 8 bit to 16 bit.

Hayden as a ghost doesn't change the story, you're right about that, but how can you say the Han/Greedo scene doesn't change the story?

Greedo is a bounty hunter who in pretty clear terms just told Han that he was not only about to kill him, but that he was going to kill him. So Han shoots him. Not only is this totally bad ass, but really it's the only logical thing for Han to do.

In the new version, Han waits for Greedo to shoot first. Greedo is a bounty hunter in the employ of Jabba the Hutt, which presumably means he knows how to use a gun. Also he's at point blank range. A ten year old could shoot somebody from across a three-foot table. Refusing to fire on him first should be tantamount to committing suicide. But somehow, he manages to miss anyway. Not only does this change manage to make Han look like an idiot, but it even manages to make Greedo look incompetent at the same time.

[supmandude85]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

You must not know the definition of graphical because arbitrarily changing the fact that Han Solo is a scoundrel does change the story as it affects the character's development.

Again, how? He still killed him. In the new version they shoot almost at the same time. http://m.youtube.com/?dc=organic&sou...?v=mKEX6QJ-zlQ As for the blue tint, I only remembered it being on Hoth and thought it was to make it look colder. I have no idea why it's in the rest.

[RetroVortex]

I like the laserboob on the right.

[Friar]

I think the blue-tint works for some scenes. Improving them. Particularly the scenes involving imperial ships and the like, because otherwise they seem too white. Tinting them a bit makes them seem more foreboding, and less fake. For the hoth scenes, not so much.

[Chyron8472]

Originally Posted by Friar

I think the blue-tint works for some scenes. Improving them. Particularly the scenes involving imperial ships and the like, because otherwise they seem too white. Tinting them a bit makes them seem more foreboding, and less fake. For the hoth scenes, not so much.

What about the scene with Yoda?

[supmandude85]

Originally Posted by Scnew

In the new version, Han waits for Greedo to shoot first. Greedo is a bounty hunter in the employ of Jabba the Hutt, which presumably means he knows how to use a gun. Also he's at point blank range. A ten year old could shoot somebody from across a three-foot table. Refusing to fire on him first should be tantamount to committing suicide. But somehow, he manages to miss anyway. Not only does this change manage to make Han look like an idiot, but it even manages to make Greedo look incompetent at the same time.

I don't think he was supposed to be waiting, Greedo just happened to shot first.

[Scnew]

Originally Posted by supmandude85

I don't think he was supposed to be waiting, Greedo just happened to shot first.

Back when it first came out, I remember Lucas saying in an interview that he did not want Han to shoot first because Han was supposed to have a sort of cowboy-like honor system, or something. I'll try to find the quote.

[Friar]

Originally Posted by doodo!

Hayden replacing the other actor is something I personally don't agree with. Out of all and any edits that is the hardest for me to settle with.

Well, I didn't even realise that was meant to be young anakin until after my maths teacher mentioned his sympathy for the guy (something along the lines of the actor buying the DVD version and going "look son, here's my bit coming up..."). I think I always just assumed that it was meant to be obi-wan's instructor or some random jedi-ghost. The change is to make that obvious to kids like I was at the time (because let's face it, the guy looks nothing like deathbed anakin or younger anakin, so kids would get even more confused without the swap!)

@Chyrron: With the yoda scene, I think it makes it look a bit less fake, but I prefer the bottom one. I think the blue tinge should've been limited to certain space scenes, and the imperial spacecraft.

[Scnew]

Here we go. From an Entertainment Weekly interview in 2004.

George Lucas: If you really look at it, there's hardly any changes at all. The thing that really caused the trouble on Star Wars is the whole question of whether Han Solo or Greedo shoots first. The way it got cobbled together at the time, it came off that [Han] fired first. He didn't fire first.

EW: So you consider this a correction?

GL: It's a correction. In my mind [Greedo] shot first or at the same time. We like to think of [Han Solo] as a murderer because that's hip -- I don't think that's a good thing for people. I mean, I don't see how you could redeem somebody who kills people in cold blood.

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. THE ENTIRE SERIES IS ABOUT THE FALL AND REDEMPTION OF ANAKIN SKYWALKER. AAAAAARGH.

Dude. Seriously.

If Vader can kill the Jedi, his wife, and even kill younglings(!), and then redeem himself and return to the light side by saving Luke, how the FUCK can Han Solo not be redeemed after shooting a guy who JUST SAID that he was about to kill him?

[supmandude85]

Oh, that completely changes it. I now understand the problem but, it's still not as big of a deal as people make it out to be.

[Scnew]

I mean, I don't really see why Han shooting Greedo first is any worse then this scene from another George Lucas movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGg_...eature=related

[Alcoremortis]

Originally Posted by Friar

Well, I didn't even realise that was meant to be young anakin until after my maths teacher mentioned his sympathy for the guy (something along the lines of the actor buying the DVD version and going "look son, here's my bit coming up..."). I think I always just assumed that it was meant to be obi-wan's instructor or some random jedi-ghost. The change is to make that obvious to kids like I was at the time (because let's face it, the guy looks nothing like deathbed anakin or younger anakin, so kids would get even more confused without the swap!)

I always thought that the ghost was supposed to be just-dead Anakin, but with more limbs and hair. And I did get that right off the bat as a kid, because it looked a bit like Vader when he took his mask off just a few minutes previous. I really didn't see much of a discrepancy there.

It's more confusing to me to have Anakin coming back as his younger self when all the other dead Jedi came back looking just the same as when they died.

[Scnew]

Originally Posted by Alcoremortis

I always thought that the ghost was supposed to be just-dead Anakin, but with more limbs and hair. And I did get that right off the bat as a kid, because it looked a bit like Vader when he took his mask off just a few minutes previous. I really didn't see much of a discrepancy there.

It's more confusing to me to have Anakin coming back as his younger self when all the other dead Jedi came back looking just the same as when they died.

Yes. I first saw these movies when I was, like, 12, and I can't say I had a hard time figuring out that the new ghost was Anakin. I mean, it's the same actor that played death-bed Vader... he just has hair now.

Plus if I was ghost Obi-Wan, I'd be annoyed that I was stuck being an old man when Anakin got to float around looking all young and suave.

[der_ketzer]

Originally Posted by Alcoremortis

It's more confusing to me to have Anakin coming back as his younger self when all the other dead Jedi came back looking just the same as when they died.

Well time to change that scene to Hayden too.

[LuigiHann]

Originally Posted by Scnew

I mean, I don't really see why Han shooting Greedo first is any worse then this scene from another George Lucas movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGg_...eature=related

Related: http://youtu.be/PD138saK_4M

[Friar]

Originally Posted by Alcoremortis

I always thought that the ghost was supposed to be just-dead Anakin, but with more limbs and hair. And I did get that right off the bat as a kid, because it looked a bit like Vader when he took his mask off just a few minutes previous. I really didn't see much of a discrepancy there.

It's more confusing to me to have Anakin coming back as his younger self when all the other dead Jedi came back looking just the same as when they died.

Well, Anakin died being bald, wrinkly and with scars.


And then came back as a younger version with hair, no scars and no wrinkles.


I don't think it's that much of a leap to say he could comeback as what he looked like before he went to the dark side (or before he died, so to speak.)

And here's a further blu-ray change.