Kingdom Hearts

[VeronicanPlay]

My brother is a huge Kingdom Hearts fan, he has all the games that has been made and is even levelling to max level on number 1 and 2, but I think he gave up on the best synthesised weapon he could get in number 1 because the right items never dropped.

I my self is not really that interested, I am put of by games where the plot is so confusing you have no idea what is going on.
And all Japanese games seems to do this, I am really struggling with what is going on in Devil May Cry and Final Fantasy.

But I don't know, maybe it has something to do with me being very simple minded.

[ryannumber1gamer]

[QUOTE=Gman5852;547167]1.Just use spoiler tags.
2.No. Disney would NOT kill of one of their characters.

how do i use them?

[Gman5852]

Originally Posted by ryannumber1gamer

how do i use them?

[ spoiler] [/spoiler] minus the space between [ and s.
See

[Leplaya]

I used to be a fan of the Kingdom Hearts series. I could really care less about it now considering the fact that its another cash cow from Square. The thing I loved about the KH series was the music. I even have a few songs from the game on my Ipod Touch. And I really like how well the Disney characters look in the game. Square does a better job with CG for Disney characters than Disney does.

The main problem with this game series aside from the fanbase being more of a nutshell than Twilight and Harry Potter is this the fact that Disney's characters as well as the FF characters are cast aside for new characters. . Like Sora and the organization. This may vary to a few people. I never liked Sora's character, he was a pain. He was like a reject from a proposed FF game that somehow made its way through the cracks. It would have been better if somebody like Donald or Mickey was the main character for the series over Sora. I remember reading an interview that Disney wanted Donald as the main character for KH, but Square wanted Mickey as the main character. It wasn't until the designer/creator rejected that and created Sora and his crew. If they went with Mickey, Epic Mickey probably wouldn't have happened.

[ryannumber1gamer]

is this right

[RetroVortex]

Originally Posted by Leplaya

I used to be a fan of the Kingdom Hearts series. I could really care less about it now considering the fact that its another cash cow from Square. The thing I loved about the KH series was the music. I even have a few songs from the game on my Ipod Touch. And I really like how well the Disney characters look in the game. Square does a better job with CG for Disney characters than Disney does.

The main problem with this game series aside from the fanbase being more of a nutshell than Twilight and Harry Potter is this the fact that Disney's characters as well as the FF characters are cast aside for new characters. . Like Sora and the organization. This may vary to a few people. I never liked Sora's character, he was a pain. He was like a reject from a proposed FF game that somehow made its way through the cracks. It would have been better if somebody like Donald or Mickey was the main character for the series over Sora. I remember reading an interview that Disney wanted Donald as the main character for KH, but Square wanted Mickey as the main character. It wasn't until the designer/creator rejected that and created Sora and his crew. If they went with Mickey, Epic Mickey probably wouldn't have happened.

Well I think Sora is a pretty good choice for a character actually.

He has that Square hero thing going on for him, but he does have that Disney naivety.

However, I do agree that it is annoying that the Disney and Square characters take a back seat.

Would have been great if in the second game, the Square stuff would have become much more important to the plot.

Maybe something like, Sora finds out from Yen Sid that even though the heartless had been stopped in the Disney worlds, they haven't been sealed in the Square worlds, and due to events prior to the first game, those worlds had already succumbed to the Heartless, (since the Hero was killed), and their universe (whats left of it) has been drifting into the Disney universe.
So Sora and co. have to travel to the very outskirts of the universe to stop a stronger version of the Heartless from completely infecting the Disney world.

That would leave plenty of opportunity to explore new Disney worlds, change any existing ones (and have a reason to go back to them), and give many Square properties a chance to shine.

(Imagine Bahamut Lagoon, Chrono Trigger (in fact Chrono could be that hero who died and then one would have to try to resurrect him and travel back into the past to stop the Heartless in the first place), Mana series, Saga series, maybe even Dragon Quest and Star Ocean (since they were merged with enix in 2003) and of course a few Final Fantasy worlds, (I'd choose any out of 6-10))

It may not make 100% sense, but it would be a damn good game.
Besides, its not like the rest of the series makes much sense... XD

[DAISHI]

Originally Posted by RetroVortex

Well I think Sora is a pretty good choice for a character actually.

He has that Square hero thing going on for him, but he does have that Disney naivety.

However, I do agree that it is annoying that the Disney and Square characters take a back seat.

Would have been great if in the second game, the Square stuff would have become much more important to the plot.

Maybe something like, Sora finds out from Yen Sid that even though the heartless had been stopped in the Disney worlds, they haven't been sealed in the Square worlds, and due to events prior to the first game, those worlds had already succumbed to the darkness, (since the Hero was killed), and their universe (whats left of it) has been drifting into the Disney universe.
So Sora and co. have to travel to the very outskirts of the universe to stop a stronger version of the Darkness from completely infecting the Disney world.

That would leave plenty of opportunity to explore new Disney worlds, change any existing ones (and have a reason to go back to them), and give many Square properties a chance to shine.

(Imagine Bahamut Lagoon, Chrono Trigger (in fact Chrono could be that hero who died and then one would have to try to resurrect him and travel back into the past to stop the Heartless in the first place), Mana series, Saga series, maybe even Dragon Quest and Star Ocean (since they were merged with enix in 2003) and of course a few Final Fantasy worlds, (I'd choose any out of 6-10))

It may not make 100% sense, but it would be a damn good game.
Besides, its not like the rest of the series makes much sense... XD

NOthing in Kingdom Hearts makes any sense so that wouldn't be a big differentiations XD Also, I do agree it would be nice to explore Square worlds, but I don't think you can afford to put Sora in the backseat. I think there are a sufficient number of fans/former fans who are tired of certain Square cliches. Sora manages to be upbeat which is rare in a lot of Square games these days. I've been dealing with brooding since Shadow showed up at the tavern.

[ryannumber1gamer]

I really dont see a problem with Sora being the main character and please don't laugh but the Kingdom Hearts series is the only Square series i played and like and is the only Square series i ever played

[Darkblader]

Even though I may be a fan of the series. I'm kinda surprised there aren't any cameos from the Chrono series in this game(like Chrono being seen on a poster for the background).

[ryannumber1gamer]

Originally Posted by Darkblader

Even though I may be a fan of the series. I'm kinda surprised there aren't any cameos from the Chrono series in this game(like Chrono being seen on a poster for the background).

He could make a appearance in KH 3 i mean think about it even now in KH 3D the main guy from World Ends With you is going appear.

[GuruGuru214]

To me, Square is doing a great job with a tricky balancing act. If too much emphasis was put on the Disney worlds, the main plot of the series would be very disjointed. To me, the Disney worlds are a nice inclusion and an essential part of the games, but the original characters' plot is what ties it all together. Which isn't to say that it's okay for the original plot to totally overshadow the Disney worlds. Days did that and it was a disaster. But in the other five games, I feel that Square did an excellent job of balancing the Disney worlds with the original plot.

[Shadowknight1]

I liked Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2. Never could really get into Chain of Memories that much, relied on the manga to fill in the holes there. Now it's just getting ridiculous with side stories. 358/2 Days, Re: Coded, Birth by Sleep, and soon Dream Drop Distance...Where's Kingdom Hearts 3? Now, I don't have anything against the side stories...in moderation. If they only did Birth by Sleep between 2 & 3, it would've been fine. I can't say too much on 358/2 Days or whatever, but I haven't heard too many good things. Birth by Sleep, I've played and it's good, but still. I want Kingdom Hearts 3. It's one of those things that I am shocked that the biggest guys at Square aren't saying, "Okay, put down Final Fantasy Versus XIII and Type 0 and XIII-2 and put this game out."

In spite of what someone said earlier about it being a Square cash cow, it isn't. Or else we'd have 3 by now. Square has forgotten what the fans want. And they're suffering for it. Don't get me wrong, I want Final Fantasy XIII-2. But developing a sequel to a game that split the fandom and essentially tanked is far too risky for Square's financial situation. Not to mention that despite the fact that fans want it, we won't be seeing Versus XIII until probably late next year. It seems to me that the logical thing would have been to put off XIII-2 until the game that people WANT is out. More examples of this bad strategy is Kingdom Hearts 3 and a certain Final Fantasy remake. Instead of Kingdom Hearts 3, we're getting YET ANOTHER SIDE STORY! And instead of them remaking Final Fantasy VII, which fans have been clamoring for since the PS3 tech demo and would probably go a long way toward easing Square's financial troubles, we're getting a remake of Final Fantasy X, which has aged surprisingly well!

So, I'm starting to see the writing on the wall for Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, and Square-Enix in general. I wouldn't be surprised if they're bankrupt this time next year.

[DAISHI]

Square is diluting its brand name. This is what happened under Eisner at Disney when they started pumping out too many straight to video sequels. Fortunately that onslaught has ebbed since his departure.

[GuruGuru214]

I think the problem here is the automatic assumption that if a game doesn't have a number in the title, it's a side story. Ever hear of Resident Evil Code: Veronica? Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood and Revelations? These are games without numbers in the title that are part of their core series. Birth by Sleep is not a side story, it's a prequel that sets the stage for the entire series. And Kingdom Hearts II makes absolutely zero sense without Chain of Memories in the middle, and 358/2 Days contributes to that. I admit, Coded served almost entirely as a plot device to catch the characters up with what we already knew. But Dream Drop Distance has been said to have a story "on par with a numbered title", and it's also supposed to set the stage for Kingdom Hearts III.

What I'm saying is don't write these games off because they don't have numbers in the title. They're all important parts of a complex narrative.



And there isn't a single game in the series that I didn't thoroughly enjoy on some level. If you're having trouble with Chain of Memories, I can relate, and I advise you to look into Re:Chain of Memories.

Also, there's a couple plot gaps you may not have considered that may be made into games at some point.

Originally Posted by Tetsuya Nomura, Director's Secret Report XIII

Presently there are 4 main untold stories to consider: "the period of the King's absence", "the period of Riku's absence", "Roxas's time in Organization XIII" and "Xehanort's past". In this case, the story of "the period of the King's absence" is set in the realm of darkness. I am examining a way to tell these 4 stories so I might be able to find a way to tell them soon.

Roxas's time in the Organization was made into 358/2 Days and Xehanort's past became Birth by Sleep, but we still don't know anything about the absences of Riku and Mickey. Which are admittedly easier to write off than Roxas and Xehanort, which is likely why the series moved on its way toward Kingdom Hearts III via Coded and Dream Drop Distance, but there's still content there.

Edit: I just watched the TGS trailer for Dream Drop Distance. It looks like we're going to get to see a bit of that missing chunk between Birth by Sleep and Kingdom Hearts, when the apprentices became Nobodies, and I have a feeling that this "Keyhole of Sleep" thing may end up leading to the characters finding Ventus's heart inside of Sora.

[doodo!]

Originally Posted by DAISHI

Square is diluting its brand name. This is what happened under Eisner at Disney when they started pumping out too many straight to video sequels. Fortunately that onslaught has ebbed since his departure.

I respect what you're saying. It's as bad as all the FF spin offs. I never even played FF X-2...

[ryannumber1gamer]

OK new topic what are your hardest Kingdom Hearts bosses?

Mine as far as i played (i didn't finish any kingdom hearts games but i'm about to fight Luxord in KH 2)

Terra-Xehanort from Birth by Sleep
Xaldin from KH 2
The second Demyx fight

[GuruGuru214]

Originally Posted by ryannumber1gamer

Mine as far as I played (I didn't finish any Kingdom Hearts games but I'm in the World That Never Was about to fight Luxord)

Terra-Xehanort from Birth by Sleep
Xaldin from Kingdom Hearts 2
the second fight with Demyx in Hollow Bastion from Kingdom Hearts 2

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Mine would be, without question, the Vanitas Remnant and the Unknown from Birth by Sleep. I'm not sure which was worse. And coming in third and fourth are Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts II and Xaldin, though they've both gotten much easier now that I've learned some new strategy on them.

My strategy on Xaldin goes all the way back to the point that Mickey gives you Master Form. From that point forward, I don't use drives at all so I don't have any chance of getting Anti-form if I try to drive against Xaldin, since that was the main cause of me dying the first time I played.

As for Sephiroth: Trinity Limit and Berserk Charge.

[ryannumber1gamer]

Here's what happened to me i got past Luxord and forgot to save before the next fight and i think i got the next boss down to 1 bar and a half and then when i was getting my magic back up he got a few lucky hits at me and i lost and had to fight Luxord again =(

[GuruGuru214]

Yeah, Saïx can be a bit of a pain.

[ryannumber1gamer]

You can say that twice.