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presidentmax · 03/02/2008, 01:13 pm

I love sam and max, the new games are brillaint and live up to there name.

One thing though... am i the only one whose noticed how much the get through a door puzzle has been overused in the series. I mean in some of them you have a couple of them.

This isn't really a big deal just something i keep noticing, I know it's a famous puzzle that works well but maybe it should be more spread out between episodes.

Zachspyfox033 · 03/02/2008, 01:29 pm

It has been a bit over used, but it wouldn't make sense if they could just walk into a secret base or something like that.

Gresman · 03/02/2008, 01:53 pm

yeah it has been used quite often but the solutions to getting through a door vary from time to time. sometimes it is harder and sometimes it is obvious
zachspy aou are right it would not be logical if sam and max could walk through every door without any obstacles. i also that that would be more boring than solving the doorpuzzles

Kedri · 03/02/2008, 02:26 pm

It's true, get through the door puzzles are overly common in just about every sort of adventure game. But in Sam & Max, without the door puzzles, I'd miss Superball. '-'

jmm · 03/02/2008, 06:07 pm

Agreed, but they could still spin the puzzle a bit to make it a little less repetitive.

EMAN528 · 03/02/2008, 06:28 pm

what's starting to become repetitive with me is the "three tasks" formula that's used in the second half of every episode (and many times the first half as well). I really do love the games though.

Molokov · 03/02/2008, 10:51 pm

but it's standard adventure game formula! It makes the games a little less linear if you have three things to do and you can do them in any order....

It *is* cliche, I'll grant you... even Max knows how it works (see 202 with the Ocean Chimps)

Harald B · 03/03/2008, 12:12 am

Somehow, a trick as simple as not mentioning the three tasks beforehand made it much less obvious in 203. I wonder if that'll work a second time.

wisp · 03/03/2008, 03:25 am

probably not, so the next episode there are going to be two or four tasks...aaand superball will let you enter any door he is guarding without hesitation.

Emily · 03/03/2008, 07:04 am

At least the doors aren't blocked by slider puzzles.

mish · 03/03/2008, 07:25 am

A slider puzzle would be classic haha. Makes me think of the Dig.

EMAN528 · 03/03/2008, 08:29 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily

At least the doors aren't blocked by slider puzzles.

Thank God for that!!

Or that horrible lock turning puzzle in Grim Fandango which still infurates me whenever I think about it

*langley* · 03/03/2008, 08:35 am

LuigiHann · 03/03/2008, 09:02 am

Moai Better Blues had a ... cave puzzle. That was a nice change of pace.

Actually, Max's "I bet there are three of them!" in that episode was really fantastic.

Blehboy · 03/03/2008, 07:29 pm

The doors are pretty understandable, but yeah the 3 puzzle can get a little tedious sometimes. I think though that it might be because we don't notice when puzzles happen in 1's or 2's but when it happens in 3 it's pretty obvious, so even though there's a ton of non 3 puzzles, we still think the 3 puzzles dominate the game.

That being said I do always notice them, and get sick of it sometimes regardless of what I said.

Superball and variating 3 puzzles make it great though.

Gresman · 03/04/2008, 12:22 am

i think it is not drastic that there is the 3 puzzle formula and i think a slider puzzle would be nice to.
a horrible puzzle was the secret room in grim fandange because the elevator depended on the cpu speed

Chuck · 03/04/2008, 12:45 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gresman

a horrible puzzle was the secret room in grim fandango because the elevator depended on the cpu speed

Only because some moron scripted it without using the built-in engine function to make it cpu speed independent. The end credits were messed up, too.

Both were fixed in a patch.

It was late, and I was very tired.

wisp · 03/04/2008, 01:39 am

are you implying that you were that m...ehh, i mean, it was your doing?
good thing i don't script games, it would happen to me all the time..and i like writing software for neurosurgical robots a lot better.

unsilviu · 03/04/2008, 05:43 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by wisp

are you implying that you were that m...ehh, i mean, it was your doing?
good thing i don't script games, it would happen to me all the time..and i like writing software for neurosurgical robots a lot better.

You're a ROBOTOlogist?!?!

Wow...
He's a PRISMAtologist! Arrest him!!!

*Hero1* · 03/04/2008, 11:39 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck

Only because some moron scripted it without using the built-in engine function to make it cpu speed independent. The end credits were messed up, too.

Both were fixed in a patch.

It was late, and I was very tired.

you had me stuck for months on that damn elevator puzzle!

03/02/2008, 01:13 pm	#1
presidentmax Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 298	One thing i feel you should change I love sam and max, the new games are brillaint and live up to there name. One thing though... am i the only one whose noticed how much the get through a door puzzle has been overused in the series. I mean in some of them you have a couple of them. This isn't really a big deal just something i keep noticing, I know it's a famous puzzle that works well but maybe it should be more spread out between episodes.

03/02/2008, 01:53 pm	#3
Gresman Master of Desaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 165	yeah it has been used quite often but the solutions to getting through a door vary from time to time. sometimes it is harder and sometimes it is obvious zachspy aou are right it would not be logical if sam and max could walk through every door without any obstacles. i also that that would be more boring than solving the doorpuzzles __________________ "Reality is just an illusion created by absence of alcohol!" - Irish proverb

03/02/2008, 02:26 pm	#4
Kedri Stupid rat creatures!! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 541	It's true, get through the door puzzles are overly common in just about every sort of adventure game. But in Sam & Max, without the door puzzles, I'd miss Superball. '-' __________________ "Conjecture is not fact, and opinion is not fact, and no matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true." - Shaun Lyon, administrator of Outpost Gallifrey

03/03/2008, 12:12 am	#8
Harald B Egregious Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,449	Somehow, a trick as simple as not mentioning the three tasks beforehand made it much less obvious in 203. I wonder if that'll work a second time. __________________ although we do still have a time machine, so I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility. Forgot what T.H.E.M. stands for? Need the lyrics to the War Song? Visit the Sam & Max wiki!

03/03/2008, 09:02 am	#14
LuigiHann Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,660	Moai Better Blues had a ... cave puzzle. That was a nice change of pace. Actually, Max's "I bet there are three of them!" in that episode was really fantastic. __________________ "I think it's the idea that counts, not the actual method. As long as you set out to cause a horrible death through insects eating the person, you're good." - apenpaap

03/02/2008, 01:29 pm	#2
Zachspyfox033 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA Posts: 409	It has been a bit over used, but it wouldn't make sense if they could just walk into a secret base or something like that.

03/02/2008, 06:07 pm	#5
jmm Fremen Fedaykin Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arrakis (also known as Dune) Posts: 1,177	Agreed, but they could still spin the puzzle a bit to make it a little less repetitive.

03/02/2008, 06:28 pm	#6
EMAN528 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 101	what's starting to become repetitive with me is the "three tasks" formula that's used in the second half of every episode (and many times the first half as well). I really do love the games though.

03/02/2008, 10:51 pm	#7
Molokov Dingo in a Maternity Ward Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,138	but it's standard adventure game formula! It makes the games a little less linear if you have three things to do and you can do them in any order.... It is cliche, I'll grant you... even Max knows how it works (see 202 with the Ocean Chimps)

03/03/2008, 03:25 am	#9
wisp annoying...and ignored Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: somewhere, Germany Posts: 1,142	probably not, so the next episode there are going to be two or four tasks...aaand superball will let you enter any door he is guarding without hesitation.

03/03/2008, 07:04 am	#10
Emily Formerly of the Telltale Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Francisco Posts: 4,549	At least the doors aren't blocked by slider puzzles.

03/03/2008, 07:25 am	#11
mish Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alameda, CA Posts: 197	A slider puzzle would be classic haha. Makes me think of the Dig.

03/03/2008, 08:35 am	#13
langley Telltale Programmer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 125

03/03/2008, 07:29 pm	#15
Blehboy Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 43	The doors are pretty understandable, but yeah the 3 puzzle can get a little tedious sometimes. I think though that it might be because we don't notice when puzzles happen in 1's or 2's but when it happens in 3 it's pretty obvious, so even though there's a ton of non 3 puzzles, we still think the 3 puzzles dominate the game. That being said I do always notice them, and get sick of it sometimes regardless of what I said. Superball and variating 3 puzzles make it great though.

03/04/2008, 12:22 am	#16
Gresman Master of Desaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 165	i think it is not drastic that there is the 3 puzzle formula and i think a slider puzzle would be nice to. a horrible puzzle was the secret room in grim fandange because the elevator depended on the cpu speed __________________ "Reality is just an illusion created by absence of alcohol!" - Irish proverb

03/04/2008, 01:39 am	#18
wisp annoying...and ignored Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: somewhere, Germany Posts: 1,142	are you implying that you were that m...ehh, i mean, it was your doing? good thing i don't script games, it would happen to me all the time..and i like writing software for neurosurgical robots a lot better.

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