Are you kidding me with these graphics?

[yoman45135]

Originally Posted by NSM

The people who voted cartoony are more like to be Telltale Games fans? On what basis do you make that assertion?

Because telltale games fans dont care for good graphics they prefer cartoony art styles, it is unlikely they would change there opinion on graphics for even something as popular as back to the future.

[NSM]

Originally Posted by yoman45135

Because telltale games fans dont care for good graphics they prefer cartoony art styles.

You realise that these things you're stating aren't facts, right? Because I feel like I need to point that out. It's like saying that people who liked the Lion King will never play Crysis.

Let's, just for the sake of argument, say that "good graphics" and "cartoony styles" are mutually exclusive. Are you arguing that it's not possible to like both? To appreciate both aesthetics?

[yoman45135]

Originally Posted by NSM

You realise that these things you're stating aren't facts, right? Because I feel like I need to point that out. It's like saying that people who liked the Lion King will never play Crysis.

Let's, just for the sake of argument, say that "good graphics" and "cartoony styles" are mutually exclusive. Are you arguing that it's not possible to like both? To appreciate both aesthetics?

Well if your favourite things are all cartoony and a film (Bttf) you enjoy but it is not your favourite had a game made dont you think you would care more about voting for cartoony graphics than realistic ones.

thats how the telltale games fans are in that poll, its like salt water think of the poll as water and the telltale games fans as salt, its unfair for telltale to think that there are 100 more votes for cartoony graphics that is of course all bttf fans there are no telltale games fans voting, to get pure water you dont put salt in.

Basically what im saying is letting people who have not seen the films (Im sure there are a few who voted cartoony who didnt know its a film)
And love cartoony graphics and counting them as bttf fans is not fair.

Like I said sure there are a few bttf fans who didnt care about the graphics but looking at the results of the poll more of them voted for realistic graphics than cartoony graphics.

[NSM]

Originally Posted by yoman45135

Well if your favourite things are all cartoony and a film (Bttf) you enjoy but it is not your favourite had a game made dont you think you would care more about voting for cartoony graphics than realistic ones.

Just because someone likes the Lion King it doesn't mean it's their favourite movie...

Originally Posted by yoman45135

thats how the telltale games fans are in that poll, its like salt water think of the poll as water and the telltale games fans as salt, its unfair for telltale to think that there are 100 more votes for cartoony graphics that is of course all bttf fans there are no telltale games fans voting, to get pure water you dont put salt in.

Some people would think that some of those voting were BTTF AND Telltale fans, but that'd be crazy, right?

Originally Posted by yoman45135

Basically what im saying is letting people who have not seen the films (Im sure there are a few who voted cartoony who didnt know its a film)And love cartoony graphics and counting them as bttf fans is not fair.

Yup, that's an actual thing you said...

Originally Posted by yoman45135

Like I said sure there are a few bttf fans who didnt care about the graphics but looking at the results of the poll more of them voted for realistic graphics than cartoony graphics.

Why are there only a few and not many? Did you interview them afterwards to make sure?

[yoman45135]

Originally Posted by NSM

Why are there only a few and not many? Did you interview them afterwards to make sure?

There was about 100 more votes more for cartoony graphics, there are thousands of telltalegames fans forums members about 50 of them likely voted for cartoony graphics leaving about 50 bttf fans.

I doubt all of the people who voted for cartoony graphics are all bttf fans.

[NSM]

Originally Posted by yoman45135

I doubt all of the people who voted for cartoony graphics are all bttf fans.

It's for the best that most decisions aren't based on doubts and gut feel...If you doubt it, then what percentage of those people voting for cartoony graphics are not fans of bttf, and why do you say that?

You're missing the point that was made in any event. The point made is that the number of votes is fairly high and perhaps forms a representative sample (though you could perhaps argue otherwise due to selection bias). Most surveys are done this way, incidentally. At least Vainamoinen tried to back his statements up with actual evidence and not personal doubts...

[yoman45135]

Originally Posted by NSM

At least Vainamoinen tried to back his statements up with actual evidence and not personal doubts...

How am I supposed to prove that more of the people who voted cartoony are telltale games fans more than bttf fans?!!

Want me to track them down and break into there house?

No way for me to be able to prove it but if you opened your mind you would actually find what im saying to be true.

More telltale fans are going to be on the forums than bttf fans.
want to argue against that as well?

What will it be? Uh they all left and got replaced by bttf fans
All of you just keep finding reasons to argue against what im saying, also Jurassic park graphics with more polish is not hard at all and it is very easy for telltale to make so I dont understand why everyone seems to find it important to argue that the graphics should be as bad as telltale can make them.

[NSM]

Originally Posted by yoman45135

How am I supposed to prove that more of the people who voted cartoony are telltale games fans more than bttf fans?!!

If you can't prove it and have no idea how to prove it, then why are you arguing it so vehemntly? It just seems really strange.

Originally Posted by yoman45135

More telltale fans are going to be on the forums than bttf fans.
want to argue against that as well?

I'm going to point out three logical errors that you keep making:

1) Failing to accept that BTTF fans and TTG fans are not mutually exclusive groups. Back to the Future was the top grossing movie of 1985 and, adjusted for inflation, is the 59th highest grossing movie of all time and considered a classic of its genre. It has a huge fanbase and cross-polination is inevitable.

2) Announcing the release of a Back to the Future game would attract a large number of BTTF fans to the website and, by extention, the site's forums.

3) A fair number of people voted that they want realistic graphics (36%). Which means that you're either arguing that a bit more than a third of those who voted are TTG fans AND prefer realistic graphics (undermining your own point) or that the forum was flooded with BTTF fans who ONLY voted for realistic graphics which kinda supports my second point..

Originally Posted by yoman45135

Jurassic park graphics with more polish is not hard at all and it is very easy for telltale to make so I dont understand why everyone seems to find it important to argue that the graphics should be as bad as telltale can make them.

What games have you designed? What experience do you have with 3D modeling and animation? On what grounds is it "very easy" to make Jurassic Park's graphics better? Just asking you to back up your statements with, you know, facts.

[yoman45135]

Originally Posted by NSM

What games have you designed? What experience do you have with 3D modeling and animation? On what grounds is it "very easy" to make Jurassic Park's graphics better? Just asking you to back up your statements with, you know, facts.

Oh I have not made a game with good graphics but my friend's brother is making a game which has graphics twice as good as jurassic park and they have not even spent much money on the programs.

[Ribs]

Originally Posted by yoman45135

Please open your mind and try and see like me and a lot of fans.
I respect your opinion but I am sure I am a bigger bttf fan than you and know more about that art style fits bttf than you.

Once again, you are being very, very rude.

[Vainamoinen]

Originally Posted by yoman45135

I respect your opinion but I am sure I am a bigger bttf fan than you and know more about that art style fits bttf than you.

Yup, are we playing "who's the bigger BTTF fan" now?

BTW, why isn't your user name even connected to the Back to the Future series? Do you even know how many McFlys, DocBrowns and MichaelJFoxes we had registered in 2010? Aren't they necessarily the bigger fans, eh??

Bottom line: you can't prove who's a "bigger" BTTF fan hands down. And you can not assume that someone who accepts a certain art style in a game would be a lesser and therefore less valid voice in this discussion. It's a dangerous direction. Best to drop it before we start bringing up quantifiable things.

Like years of fandom.

[puzzlebox]

Sooo... Law & Order huh?

[Vainamoinen]

Yup, epic derail over here, but possibly for a reason.

I do wonder how many TTG forumites are actually "true fans" of the L&O series, thus justifying their "demand" for "realistic" graphics.

Anyone seen every episode of original & every spin-off series every year?

And who registered under a name from the series??

[Ribs]

Originally Posted by Vainamoinen

Yup, epic derail over here, but possibly for a reason.

I do wonder how many TTG forumites are actually "true fans" of the L&O series, thus justifying their "demand" for "realistic" graphics.

Anyone seen every episode of original & every spin-off series every year?

And who registered under a name from the series??

I like Law and Order. But I'd never watch every episode. It's a good show to watch once a week, or maybe every other week, but my problem with it and a number of other procedurals is their incredibly formulaic episode structure.

I still feel the right to defend this, like anyone would. It was a decision, and it's not going to change, so after voicing your dislike of it you can either leave or stop complaining, but this discussion should not just keep running in the same loop it has.

[Vainamoinen]

Originally Posted by Ribs

I still feel the right to defend this, like anyone would. It was a decision, and it's not going to change, so after voicing your dislike of it you can either leave or stop complaining, but this discussion should not just keep running in the same loop it has.

My dislike of what exactly? (Careful, it's a trick question)

[Ribs]

It wasn't directed at you, but rather those who dislike the aesthetic.

[Vainamoinen]

Ahhhhh. Then my work is done.

[Woodsyblue]

Wow, I was going to say a lot of stuff but others have already said it for me, and better then I would have said it too. There is still a bunch of stuff I could argue about but this has gone on long enough and the debate was just going around in circles anyway.

[yoman45135]

Originally Posted by NSM

If you can't prove it and have no idea how to prove it, then why are you arguing it so vehemntly? It just seems really strange.

I dont need to prove it because I know it is true that there are more telltale fans on the telltale website than bttf fans.

(Hint: It is the name)


Oh and im not gonna start arguing again because I just kept saying the same thing over and over to ignorant people.

Like I said telltale is perfectly capable of making good graphics, more people will say: ''Man the graphics are crap'' than: ''Man the graphics are actually good I cannot play this game''

[MrSneeze]

yoman45135: you'd be excellent at religious propaganda! "No need for proof! Just believe! It's true!"

Someone get the Vatican, quick! Or, and here's another thought, try your luck with Scientology. I'm sure they'd find you a great help!

But yoman45135 is right people. You can't prove Santa exists. You just have to believe!

yoman45135, I own a car made of donuts and I drive it to the moon every weekend. Believe.